Even the episode guides I look at online don't include "Clash", "Hunter's Moon", "Flashpoint", or "Question Authority"

Questions:

When did these eps air?

Can anyone help me get copies? I'll pay whatever you want

Can someone give me ep summaries?

Thanks

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bigmonster - Those eps. have aired in Canada (YTV) but for some for some inexplicable reason the U.S. is behind Canada by about 4 eps. From what I understand, Cartoon Network will be showing the remainder of S2 uninterrupted. So, all of those spoiler tags on this board are probably from our Canadian friends who have had the privilege of seeing all those presumably awesome eps. Lucky bastards.

Seriously guys, it's taking every ounce of my willpower to keep from highlighting those spoiler tags.

Thank you MereyDB, I found out on a more copmplete episode guide I found right here. It's really very good, though the one at TVTome has much more extensive production notes (so sue me, I like that stuff).

Ok, I guess from reading back only YTVers have seen the last ep. So I'll spoiler tag it.

Lex is Brainiac!! I nearly hard a heart-attack when I saw that. I can't wait to see what happens. Is this the end of the season?

Also can the mains of the league be so dumb. Yes, yes, let's turn ourselves over and leave the tower. Thank god Batman wasn't so stupid. But then everyone was dumb in this arc. Cadmus couldn't figire out that Lex was behind it all, the League couldn't figure it out, the people of earth throwing hissfits.

And lastly is just me or what's the history between Supergirl and Clone? Awful quick and unremorseful kill there by a "good" gal.

Yeah I was really surprised at that. My question, when did that happen?





I don't think she's dead, just put down for the moment.

OK now everyone should have at least seen "Clash", right?

This is the best animated superhero show I've ever seen, with the subplots and the character development.

I love the way they showed Captain Marvel. Just like a kid in an adult's body. Calling Superman "sir". So many great moments. Batman telling Superman that Superman "used to be the boy scout....til CM came along..." Heh. And of course, Superman's "Fight's over , son."

And wow, is Superman a dick! I can understand his reactions to Lex, but geez, he was unreasonable here. And then battling CM over it? What the hell was that?

But what an awesome fight scene. I loved it. Esp when Super smashed CM into the pavement repeatedly with a bank vault! Day-um!

Now I remember the woman who is toasting with Lex is head of the Suicide Squad in the comic books, am I right? I haven't followed comics in a long time. I can't wait til next week.

I didn't catch the ep title when I tuned in tonight. I don't get why the League didn't call out Capt. Marvel on being a kid. Is he an actual child? I know the League is not a paragon of emotional maturity but neither is the human race as a whole. I got no problem with Captain Marvel's age. What concerns me is his lack of cynicism. This is not to say being full of despair is the hallmark of adulthood but you have understand that the world and the people who inhabit are not always nice. Superman was way too quick with his judgements tonight. I would have liked if Bats and the others would have shown up when Superman was acting like such a dick. Captain Marvel's speech at the end for me shows how much he has to learn. Taking people at their word? WTF? People you know maybe people you don't not so much. Hey, Captain Marvel, people lie. That he idolized the league members shows how immature he is.

Lex is Brainiac??!!! AWESOME! That's all kinds of fucked up.

Bigmonster, the woman with Lex at the end is Amanda Waller, who was indeed the head of the Suicide Squad (Task Force X) in the comics. However, she has also been shown several times in the cartoon as a major figure in Cadmus, the secret high-ranking government conspiracy out to bring down the League. She has been shown to be behind the Ultimen (along with Maxwell Lord) from the "Ultimatum" episode, the robbery of the Annihilator suit from the League's headquarters in "Task Force X," Professor Hamilton's creation of the Supergirl clone Galatea in "Fearful Symmetry," and the creation of Doomsday in "Doomsday Sanction." Waller, Luthor, Lord, Hamilton, the witch Tala (from "The Balance") and General Wade Eiling (from "Dark Heart" and "Doomsday Sanction") are all conspiring against the League, and Waller has already proven to Batman that she knows his secret identity (among other things).

You know what I loved about that ep is that Batman told Waller that he'd be willing to take of his mask if she came out into the spotlight as well and she declined. I love Batman so very much. There's not a doubt in my mind he would have done it.

You know, I just won a lot of the '80s Suicide Squad comics off eBay, and Waller is a fascinating character. The comics are great too--Deadshot, Captain Boomerang, and Col. Rick Flag are regular members of the team, as seen in the "Task Force X" episode.

One thing I really want to know is just how is Lex Brainiac? Is the real Lex hidden somewhere? Is he possesed?

So wait - a bunch of Kryptonite is stolen from Star Labs, it shows up in Lex's reactor, and NO ONE says anything about the robbery? It's not a bomb so it's all okily dokily?

WTF?

Batman tells Superman at the end that they set him up and they=Cadmus so they know something is up.

They have no proof that that was the same kryptonite. I'm sure Lex has a few housefulls of the stuff.

Lex is a naughty, naughty boy, attempting a coup d'etat on the League.

Though yeah, Superman really flew off the handle.

Batman just confuses me. Superman locks a dangerous monster up in the Phantom Zone (with the support of WW, Flash, GL, et cetera) and Batman chews him out. Superman flies off the handle and (during a fight with a fellow super hero) destroys an entire city on National TV and Batman says it is okay because Luthor set him up? Wha?

Also, have to say I wasn't thrilled with the characterization of Captain Marvel in this one, this is a kid who was a orphan and grew up on the streets. Him acting all "Golly, Gee Wiz, Sir" never feels right to me. I'm not expecting him to act like Batman, but is it too much to ask that he be a bit more mature?

"" I think Batman was a little more concerned with the fact that Supes was being set up. Not to justify what had just happened on Superman's part, but wouldn't you feel a bit more uneasy at that prospect?

New to this thread, but I just saw Panic in the Sky and I cannot, cannot, not talk to someone.



Dude! No really, dude!
And no, it isn't. There are still two episodes left to show in Canada, I believe.



Pretty sure she isn't dead because her fingers were moving at the end.

But I wonder which version of Brainiac this is. Based on Post-Crisis DC lore, I'd imagine this would be Brainiac 1, who knows with this show? They turned Power Girl into Galatea and the teaser for Divided We Fall suggests that if Brainiac doesn't defeat much of the Justice League, he at least incapacitates many of them for a while.

But seriously... Duuude.

I don't know, Xero. The original version of Captain Marvel was a pretty newsboy-legion gee-whiz type, and that's always been how I think of him. Even more modern interpretations tend to have Billy as extremely clean-cut. In the animated universe, he's also attending as very nice school, so he can't be doing too badly.

I think with the fight, Cap interpreted the super-strength shrugoff as an attack, and Superman perceived the initial punch as an unprovoked attack, so they were both fighting in "self-defense". Granted, both of them should have realized what they were doing and called it off. I guess we were supposed to figure that Cap lacked the maturity to put aside his righteous frustration, and Superman was too stressed to manage his usual rationality. Either that or Kryptionian males suffer from some kind of alien PMS.

No he was just pissed at Lex, feeling threatened by Cap who has nearly all of his powers and also seen as a better him, and is feeling more than a little authoritive.

This "no politics" thing was a total screen to "I hate Luthor, don't ever say anything nice about him!"

And then he blew up and acted beyond immature. If it was really about saving the city he shouldn't have taken so much time out to whack Marvel. But this was about him throwing a super temper tantrum.

Just finished watching the ep and am currently gathering my thoughts but one thing struck me as odd. Superman overhears Lex and his assitant talking about what he assumes is a bomb, he does his x-ray peeping tom act and finds it easy enough, but then when questioning Lex he ask's what the lead shielding is for if it's just a power source. Uhhhh when was there lead shielding? Cause unless I missed some important episode where superman got a new power he shouldnt be able to see through lead with his x-ray vision and yet he saw through this supposed lead and found the bomb/energy generator. Can anyone clear this up for me?

Well, yeah. But that was the Golden Age, almost every super hero was saying things like that back then. I mean, when was the last time you heard Batman call someone "Good chum," or heard Robin bust out a "Holy pie in the sky, Batman," or, well, any number of things that were left in the past for most of these other heroes. Like I said, I'm not asking for him to act like The Punisher, but let him act like a real kid.

Ostrander's Suicide Squad is one of the great DC series from the late 80's/early 90's. If they put out TPBs of that series, I would snatch them up so quick the pages would ignite from the friction.

DC has made a couple of attempts to modernize Captain Marvel, but once his various supporting cast starts showing up like Mr. Tawny, the talking tiger, and Mr. Mind the evil megalomaniacal worm, it just seems silly to try and make Billy into a contemporary character. There will always be a bit of goofiness about Captain Marvel, so they just let Billy be Billy.

I thought it was cool seeing walking around saying hi to everyone and being so cheery. Apparently he even charmed Batman....Batman!! Think about that for a minute. lol

I laughed out loud at the scene where Superman was chewing Marvel out and the Flash kinda looked away when Superman got to the bit about not doing TV commercials. lol



All Superman could see was the device with a timer on it. He couldn't see inside the device because of the lead shielding. He just assumed it was a bomb.

Yes, Lex played Superman like Van Cliburn on a Grand Piano. He knows Superman is so distrustful of him, all he had to do was hint at doing something "evil" and Superman would take the bait.

Now that we see that Luthor is in with the Cadmus Project, things don't look too good for the League now. Although I was expecting that development to happen anyway.

I think this episode just proves what I've been saying all along, and I'm sure you can all agree with me: Superman is a dick.

Went out tonight and forgot to set the vcr. Are they bothering to rerun these at all?

Panic in the Sky

That. Was. AWESOME.

The whole "Justice League Benchwarmers vs the Multi-Ultimen" was *really* well done. Especially liked Fire up against the Water NotWonderTwin and Red Tornado against the 3 NotSamurais (which makes a whole lot more sense when you know why it's a bad idea to use wind powers against RT). Good to see that Captain Atom has his priorities straight now.
Liked how Batman took out the General (Eiling?) without even looking at him. Schmuck.
Is there a real Lex anymore? Is Brainiac keeping him on ice somewhere?

My title for the episode: "One Dumbass, Two Dumbass, Red Dumbass, Blue Dumbass." Just some poor characterization all around. I know superheroes tend to lose IQ points when upset, but that was overkill. And doesn't Cap have the Wisdom of Solomon to realize he's being made a pawn?

Eh? You could say the same thing about Superman, he's got a "fortress of Solitude" a Super cousin and a Super dog that both just happened to survived the destruction of Krypton, a city in a bottle, Mr. Myx is the most zany villain ever, and the disguise that protects his secret identity is a simple pair of glasses.

Batman has all sorts of wacky things in his history that are simply ignored (Bat-Mite), Wonder Woman started out as little more than a thinly disguised bondage fantasy that enjoyed getting spanked, Green Arrow was a goofy ass Batman knock-off until DC decided to turn him into a goofy ass Hawkeye knock-off, Flash's number 1 enemy is a talking monkey.

If all these characters can be given a bit more 'edge' why not Cap?

Because he's funnier this way?

FOOL! You dare sully the indescribable intellect that is Gorilla Grodd as a mere "monkey"? Bah!

Because none of the other characters are children in their alter egos? And because aging Billy Batson would have been too much even for the architects of various DC reboots?

That really should've been his first clue that something was up. Everyone knows what Superman's powers are, so would Lex really be stupid enough to have a conversation about a bomb so close to Superman?



Yes, yes, I see the light now.



Okay, I sooooo called it. When they showed that Lex had super strength in "Flashpoint," I turned to my brother and said, partly in jest, "Maybe he's really Brainiac." Either I watch way too bleebleeblahblahboo (okay, I do), or I've watched so much of the Timm universe that I know how they think. After 5 minutes into "Mystery of the Batwoman," I already figured out the "twist."

Still loving the arc, but isn't it a tad underwhelming to just have Brainiac after we've seen the Brainiac/Darkseid team-up? Please, please, let Brainiac be in cahoots with Mr. Mxyzptlk.

Anyway, can't wait to see how it all plays out, as long as they don't bring Static in to defeat Brainiac.

Blastphomy. Flash #1 Rogue is Captain Cold. The man with the cold gun.

Worked great for Alan Moore, though! Although I wouldn't want to see JLU turn into Miracleman.

Actually, they have aged and contemporized Billy quite a bit recently. Back in 2003, Billy was a 16-year-old teenager who dated Stargirl (also 16) and admitted to seriously considering using the Wisdom of Solomon to cheat on a test (he didn't go through with it, but he considered it). As far as I know, they haven't "re-de-aged" him since then, so he's still a teen rather than a little kid.

Kryptonite is missing and you suspect that Lex is involved. So who do you send from the Justice League to check up on Lex? That's right, you send someone who is fatally vulnerable to Kryptonite. Because you love Lex so much that you have to send the most popular JL member to ensure the success of his public relations event. And you have to send Supes by himself, just to make sure that nobody can help him if he gets into a jam.

Of course, they weren't sure if Lex was behind the theft of the Kryptonite. In which case, it makes perfect sense to send Superman to a public event by himself, knowing both that someone has a weapon that can kill him and that Supes is wound so tightly at this point that he'd probably beat up Lex if he caught him littering. Not to mention the possibility that the whole thing was a set up.

I can buy Supes being this stupid, since that's how he's been characterized on the show. But Batman? I guessed that Lex was planning to set up Supes as soon as they mentioned the charity event, and I figure Bats should have suspected it as well.

By the way, what exactly did Superman think Lex was going to do with his Kryptonite bomb?

I like the idea behind the episode, though.

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Yeah, sending Supes was pretty boneheaded, but Luthor did invite him on national TV, presumably because he has the highest public profile and their past history would give it a resonance that would be missing if, say, the Question went (not to mention other problems ol Q? would be likely to stir up, and the fact that he's just plain creepy to look at. Plus how would he drink his champagne?) Seriously, they'd need a high powered dude there, and Cap is already out of the running for mouthing off. Wonder Woman would probably have been the best choice and then be all "Sorry, Superman is on a mission in space."

Oh, and in response to Vermicious Knid.

As far as I can tell, no, there are no reruns. Perhaps B*tt*rr*nt or S**ls**k might be able to help you out.

I think they are rerunning "The Clash" tonight at 10:30 PM EST on Cartoon Network!

zap2it.com confirms

Well, shut my mouth!

Superman pissed because he's not the prettiest belle at the ball? Metamorpho? Fastball and Crowbar? CM pulling the KC lightning trick to take down Superman? EEEEEEEEEEEEE! The comic dork in me cannot be controlled! I love JLU. And despise Superman. But ever since Kingdom Come (and Alex Ross' creepy CM....it's the cleft chin and squinty eyes...shifty), CM squicks me out. Bring in Mary and Freddie and get rid of Mr. Creepy.

Superman didn't know what was inside the casing because of the lead. All he saw was a large metal device with a big ass timer on it. He just assumed it was some kind a bomb. He didn't know about the kryptonite in it until the end.

I gotta say, the lightning trick (as shown) didn't make sense to me. I haven't read Kingdom Come so I don't know how it was shown there.

But here's my nitpicky objection: the basic idea is that the Shazam bolt is literal energy literally coming from above, right? That's why Marvel was lifting Supes up on his back while doing it, and why Supes was able to reverse their positions to transform him to Billy. But but but! They were underground! So the lightning isn't literally coming from the sky, it's seeking out Batson/Marvel whereever he happens to be. So why would it even bother with striking Superman at all? And are we supposed to believe that the lighting has literal destructive powers for anything that gets in it's way? How did it get from the sky to the sewers without smashing up the stuff in between? Does Billy never say his magic word indoors, for fear of starting fires?

I know, I know...a wizard did it.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Lantern 7! From Supes initial jealousy to him trying to 'kill' Capt. Marvel. No other words could described why Supes kept repeatly hitting CM with that safe. And lets not forget how easily CM was taking Lex's word over Superman.

Two suckers that turned into dumbasses! BTW, Capt. Marvel speech...LAME!

In this case, you would be 100% correct. Billy's powers were granted to him by the Wizard Shazam.

The lightning bolts that Billy summons are magical, and magical energy can hurt Superman. And it doesn't matter how far below the Earth's surface Billy is, the lightning can reach him anywhere, and it only has destructive properties if Billy wills it so.

I don't think Marvel was taking Lex's word. He wanted to call in the Atom to check out Luthor's device, but Superman didn't want to hear it.

And Supes wasn't trying to "kill" Marvel, just knock him out. As super-durable as these guys are, you have to use that kind of force just to KO them. And you saw after that pounding Supes gave him, it still didn't knock Marvel out.

But somehow it can turn him into a helpless child whether he wills it to or not?

Okay, I'll stop.

If the Shazam lightning hits Marvel, it will transform him. He can't control that aspect of it.

Not to mention the rather creepy image of Superman keeping a little boy gagged.

Panic in the Sky

DUUUDDE. Lex as Brainiac. Fucking AWESOME. Batman. AWESOME. Seeing the B-Listers in action. AWESOME. That was a gorgeous episode. Fantastic all the way around.

I wonder if "Divided We Fall" is going to be less of a reference to the League being divided and more a reference to separating Luthor from Braniac.