Sorry, MereyGB, I only meant to recommend the Justice League America trade paperback written by Keith Giffen. I don't know what all is going on with comics these days as it's been years since I followed them.

I appreciate that the Wonder Woman/Hawkgirl episode focused on major characters: WW and Hawkgirl, of course, but also Flash in the cafeteria scene, and even the magic users who were freaking out (Etrigan, Dr. Fate, Zatanna) had some history on the show. I do agree that the size of the League has gotten unwieldy; I think it would have been better to pick a smaller number of new JL members and flesh them out more.



If anyone was wondering, this is a non-existent book that was "created" by Jorge Luis Borges (you can see more details here, and yes I had to look it up myself).

Exactly. And from a literary analysis perspective, it's wonderfully Byzantine - you're analyzing a work of fiction, which in itself is a literary analysis of a (fake) work of fiction, which in itself is a retelling/social commentary upon a (real) work of fiction. I'm guessing that was the point of the reference, unless I'm missing something. Methinks one of the writers is exorcising his college lit demons.

Just saw Flashpoint. Dude. What was that team's name? The clones? I did NOT expect to see them again. Not just one set, but six? I can't wait until the next new one. It was good to see Flash and Arrow. Poor Captain Atom. :(

Aside from the parallelism in the third act and having Tommy Monaghan whacked off-screen? Awesome work from Gail Simone. Huntress's inclusion in the Morrison-era JLA was always a question mark, given her extreme methods. Yeah...the animated apple doesn't fall far from the cannon tree. And didn't she hook up with Question?

It's bugging me...does Albino Kingpin have another name? Could've sworn I've seen him before.

Gail did an awsome job. As a reader of Birds of Prey and Villains United. Gail just gets the Huntress, Black Canary, Green Arrow and the Question. Not to mention the relationships and so forth. I also give a big round of applause to Amy Aucker from doing a remarkable job as the voice of the Huntress.

He looks like Tobias Whale from Black Lightning, but he's named Mandragora (the guy who killed her family in the comics), except in the books he's a slender old man.

Oh yeah, and Amy Acker knocked it out of the park. And Gail rocks as always.



As someone who actually read Hitman, that part kind of saddened me, but in a way I think it's kind of fitting.

Yeah, the "your daddy whacked my daddy, so now I get to whack yours!" thing was too much, but I did enjoy the episode, espcially Canary and Huntress beating the crap out of each other. I'm so glad this how avoids the PC route.

Did anyone else sense a power trip from MM when he kicked Huntress out of the league?

Perhaps I'm a sad excuse for a human being, but I laughed my keester off during that episode. That was some sharp, sharp writing.

And I didn't realize Amy Acker was doing Huntress - thank you, God, for good voice casting and direction. Four talented Joss-School alumni voice cast in JLU (Gina Torres as Vixen, Nathan Fillion as Vigilante), five if you count Adam Baldwin as Col. Flagg - when are they going to pick up Alan Tudyk and Alexis Denisof?

Yes, Gail Simone did a fantastic job.

The best part was the dialogue between the four protagonists, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Question, and the Huntress. The hilarious banter between Ollie and Canary was funny, (especially the chase scene) the Huntress' anger really showed through, and the Question is smooth and mysterious as always. (By the way, the Question had a baddass car)

Oh, that would be good. Because I don't feel I've said, "Shut up, Wesley" enough lately.

Actually, I just thought up a rather important plot hole: If J'onn could teleport Canary & Green Arrow any time they requested, why didn't they get him to do that to Huntress & Question?

Canary and GA were trying to follow the others to Mandragora's location. If they had teleported him and Huntress, they may never have found the albino kingpin before he disappeared.

In addition, the teleportation requires the earpiece communicator to track the teleportee. The Question had that removed by the Huntress at a certain point.

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Oy. I knew that cannon would bite them in the ass sooner or later... Kara-clone is sooo Power Girl. I want more words of wisdom from Granma Flash.

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Power girl? I don't follow the actual comics(man, I wish I did) so if someone could fill me in on that...I'd appericate it. Also, were those the clones of the Ultimati-men or something. The Flash was awesome this week.

Double Date again illustrates that the strongest material in the universe is not Nth-metal, adamantium, nor any other metallic substance. It's whatever they use to make pants.

I still think this episode would have been stronger if Batman had been the one to kick Huntress out instead of J'onn. Given their similar origin it would have been more interesting, and in the comics Batman actually was the one who invited (and booted) Huntress from the JLA.

Except then the rest of the episode wouldn't work, because Batman would have then put nine transmitters on Huntress, in addition to dedicating a spy sattelite to her, to make sure she didn't go off on the goose chase she did.

So RiverThames, what are you trying to say? ;) That Bats is a little cautious? Nahhh. ;-)

The funniest line of that episode was in this exchange.

GA: What are you doing?

?: You wouldn't believe me if I told you.


16 hours later and I still don't believe it, LOL.

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AgeofAquarian

Basically, in the comics PowerGirl is an alternate universe version of Supergirl (still a hero though).
Nicked from TVtome: In the comics, Power Girl (Kara, or Karen Starr) was originally the Earth-2 version of Supergirl, and the cousin of the Earth-2 Superman. While the character Tea clearly isn't supposed to be her, she bears a marked physical similarity - shorter blonde hair, a more...mature physique (a running gag in the current JSA series), gold bracelet-belt, and a circular chest-cutout in her all-white neck-covering costume. Also, the red pseudo-cape is PG costume characteristic.

"I am *really* beginning to dislike that woman." Ahh, Helena you had me at the purple costume and crossbow. the jt, a Huntress fan since he was 3....

I was a fan of Arrow's "This is so unnecessary" myself.

I kept wondering during the Canary scream "Why aren't his pants shredding?"

I enjoyed the casting of Amy Acker as the Huntress as I thought she did a good job with it. I wonder if there will be any sanctions against the Question for helping her.

Snowcrash,

Thanks for the history lesson.

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So am I correct in my assumption that business is about to pick up on JLU? The Ultimen were the clones? God, I am so behind.

I think that has more to do with the laws of PG programming than anything. :D

Obviously, the DC universe has discovered unstable molecules...

Green Arrow: Are we dead yet?
Black Canary: No!
Green Arrow: Are we dead yet?
Black Canary: Look, if we die I'll let you know!


Best exchange ever.

When this series started I wasn't a big fan of Arrow or Canary but I'm really starting to like them, same goes for Huntress (she sounds really familiar).

That's Fred/Illyria/AmyAcker.

*sigh*

The things I would do for an Arrow, Canary, Huntress and Question animated spinoff.

Really? Cool. Thanks.

Okay, I now have a big ole Cartoon!Crush on The Question. I think it has to do with fact that I'm a big ole Xphile (love the monotoned conspricy theorists!)...and I love his forties era fodora-like hat. I looked up the actor who voiced Question (Jeffrey Combs) and it looks like he's more of a character actor than anything else, but I swear I've seen him before but I don't remember him from any of his listed credits. Hmmm...

Oh yeah. While most of the characters introduced in Unlimited are one-offs or second stringers, those four have made it all worthwhile the most. Especially the Arrow. Doesn't bode well though that in the comic canon he dies.

Again? When was this?

Pat Agonia (and Mr. Fjord)-- Ollie Queen died, yes (in the early nineties), but he's come back to life. Check out the Trade Paperback "Quiver" by Kevin Smith. Ollie is still alive and kicking in the current Green Arrow title.

See, I knew that, RiverThames. I thought that maybe Pat Agonia was referring to something in the last two years since I stopped being able to afford to follow the comics.

I could have swore that The Question was voiced by Tony Shaloub. It sounds just like him. But question about um, The Question. Is he wearing a mask, or does he really not have any features?

Mask. Dear God let it be a mask.

It's a mask, you get to see him without it.

Yes it's a mask. He uses a special chemical that bonds it to his face. (And uses another chemical to remove it) Sage is so paranoid, he wanted all his facial features completely obscured.

Gail Simone should write more episodes or at least the now-wished for spinoff series. Amy Acker was great as Huntress. She didn't sound like "Fred" from Angel at all. I have to say I really like the "G.I. Joe" format of focusing on a different mix of characters each episode.

Wow, Wonder Woman and Hawgirl one week, and Black Canary and Huntress the next. Throw in Barda, Supergirl, Zatanna, and Vixen and just make this an all-girl show!

Seriously though, Gail Simone should be hired ASAP to write more shows. I wanted to see even MORE interaction between Canary and Huntress, but that's a small quibble. Great episode.

Has Green Lantern done anything remotely relevant this season?

There was Kid's Stuff where GL, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman were turned into kids and had to defeat some evil magician's son. And he was in the Once and Future Thing where he, Batman, and Wonder Woman went back in time to defeat a time traveler. They traveled to the future in Part II but I haven't seen that one. ETA: He was also in the episode where Shayera came back and played the supportive-ex-who-still-has-feelings-for-you-but-isn't-with-you-cause-it-just-wouldn't-work-out.


Does anyone know where I can get screen caps of last weeks Wonder Woman and Shayera ep? Also, I've noticed that my local book store has gone from no manga to two bookcases full. If the manga guys can get their comics in bookstores how come DC and Marvel can't get a couple of shelves?

Managed to "acquire" the episodes up to and including "Flashpoint."

To be honest, I wasn't a big fan of "Double Date." Loved Huntress and Question (rowrr), but my goodness, it felt like such a retread. That wouldn't be so bad if JLU didn't happen in the same universe as BtAS, but unfortunately I couldn't help but feel that I've seen it all before. "Mask of the Phantasm" was a lot more satisfying when it came to the "my parents were murdered so now I'll make the people who did it pay" plot. I mean, Huntress' past was so reminiscent of Batman's that I'm surprised she didn't just call herself Batwoman. Of course, I'm not familiar with her comic origins, so I'm sure her past must be more complicated than that... right?

Spoilerizing my comments on the other episodes:

Okay, "Clash" was certainly fun, but when on earth did Superman become such a jerk? Was it just gradual over the course of Justice League, because I really can't stand him anymore. For that matter, pretty much every one of the founding members has become insufferable with the exception of Flash. I'm loving the Cadmus conspiracy plot, but I would really love it if I could actually like the original characters for a change.

Liked "Hunter's Moon" a bit more than the previous two, if only because of the interaction between Shayera and Vixen. I recognized Gina and Nathan immediately, and while I generally hated their roles in the Buffyverse, I love them in JLU.

Question about "Question Authority"-- Is Question's real face really like that, or was it just bruised due to the torturing? Either way, The Question is hot. Still, does everyone who gets unmasked have to be a redhead?

"Flashpoint" was great, though I really was afraid Flash would die in it. Oh yeah, and Superman's still an ass. Speaking of people I hate, why on earth are people on earth so friggin stupid? The Justice League has saved them a countless number of times, and yet they still don't trust them? I mean, why would Hamilton be more inclined to place his trust in criminals and super-villains who have never done anything good than in super heroes who may have erred in the past but have at least done some sort of penance?

Anyway, any speculation on exactly what is up with Luthor? All of a sudden his cancer is gone and he has super strength, so methinks something is amiss. Could the real Luthor be dead and this one be just a clone? Is there some deeper evil behind Cadmus? Or is Mr. Mxyzptlk just having his fun with Superman once again?

I want more words of wisdom from Granma Flash.

Word to that. Someone please just make a Flash spin-off. In addition to having a show centered on the best character from JLU, it would also keep Michael Rosenbaum away from the inanity that is "Smallville."

I've also acquired future eps up until Flashpoint

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I'm so glad that I wasn't the only one crushing on Question especially after we really saw his face. He was hott!111! lol.

I didn't really like Hunter's Moon. It just felt out of place with the Camdus, and even the Captain Marvel storyline.

The Captain Marvel episode was awesome. I liked seeing the transformation and him calling the original seven out. I'm with you, when did Supes become such an ass?

Also Flashpoint was awesome. One of the strongest of the new episodes that I've acquired. I loved seeing Flash and Arrow. Also, I'm still worried about Captain Atom. Did they brainwash him or what the hell is going on with him?

They really need to release these shows on DVD.

She was Batgirl in the comics, Bruce 'fired' her for being too violent.


I doubt it, Cap is just a military guy, his first allegiance is to his country.

During the first season, especially to Hawkgirl and Flash.

Just to clarify, she didn't start out as Batgirl. She started out as The Huntress. After the Cataclysm destroyed Gotham City and it was declared No Man's Land, Batman gave Huntress the opportunity to prove herself to him by allowing her to take up the Batgirl identity. She failed to protect the area of the city Batman had given to her to guard, letting it fall into Two-Face's hands, and due to this and her propensity for violence, he gave the Batgirl identity to the daughter of his former trainer, the assassin Cain. At this point, she went back to using the Huntress identity.

He always has been.

I love Superman, always have, always will.

But everytime someone links to that site, I have to go. And I spend hours laughing my ass off. Awesome stuff.