Actually, last time Plastique was mentioned in the comics she and Cap Atom were still married, so I assume they still are.

I really like how they're building this up but Cadmus can't one, the Justice League maybe acting a little to big for their britches but when push comes to shove they're still the good guys.

I continue to hate the fact that they keep showing JL members like Atom Smasher, Vigilante and Shining Knight in fight scenes and still can't be bothered to give them any lines at all. You don't have to hire a "name" actor for every voice, I know a lot of the pro voice actors like have dozens of voices they can perform.

Well if they are she'd be a widow, cause Captain Atom died a while back.

I liked the episode. I'm really happy they used Deadshot (though with a Suicide Squad episode you almost have to). It was kind of nice to route for the bad guys in this one.

Wasn't Michael R. doing the voice of the mustache guy?

He's still alive. If you're referring to that Superman/Batman story where he flies that robot into the meteor, all he did was leap forward in time. Every time Captain Atom absorbs too much energy, he shunts forward into the future. He was already seen alive again a couple times since that storyline. [/deargodi'mageek]

They're still married too, though I can't imagine how they're happy since he has no genitals.

And poor Juliet Landau. After hearing Tala Queen of Evil, I realized between Tala's Russian(?) accent and Drusilla's British one, JL must have an awful time getting recognized using her real voice.



Yup, that was Rosenbaum as Deadshot by way of Kevin Spacey.

The Suicide Squad here consisted of:

Colonel Rick Flagg
Deadshot
Plastique
Captain Boomerang
Clock King

For more info each char, try TVtome.

Having spent a good part of my employment in admin positions, there's no way an organization the size of the JLU could function without supporting staff. Although maybe a smaller one than what was depicted here. The pay must be good, and how many people can say they work in space?

I wasn't very engaged in this episode. Eh, I'm just tired of this incarnation. Just blow the whole thing up and go back to a core group.

I'm just glad we didn't have to see Vibe and Gypsy involved in any fighting. As soon as I saw the two of them racing down the hall, I was dreading it.

The fight scenes owned! They were much more rough and visceral than we've seen in the earlier episodes. Much of that is because it had more normal humans than superhumans. As opposed to all superhuman battles where we see more super-powers being used than actual hitting.

The one thing I don't get why steal the automaton? The League knows how it works. It won't attack as long as you don't show any aggression. If the Cadre intend to use it against the League they must have a means to alter the way it works otherwise stealing it won't do them that much good.

Both sides have to feel the same way. Otherwise, the side that lays down their arms first will get killed immediately. Of course, since the transporter works on the thing I don't know why they don't just beam it into space and send it off towards the sun.

Who was the woman with the purple hair who is part of Cadmus?

That's Tala. She first appeared in "The Doomsday Sanction".

Well, given that they have a chow line, someone's got to cook the food and wash the dishes.

(I suppose they could make Booster Gold do it, but he might quit).

Good episode, though what the hell is with the 'Support Staff' and their security??? Like a cheap airport before 9/11... I can't believe they didn't have at least a fingertip check to get in.

Batman is going to bust some asses in security. So, does this means new episodes this summer?

Even if they didn't have them initially, after Cadmus was revealed you'd think that they'd take some precautions.



I think J'onn has that covered. The guy looks like he's ready to crack under the strain of running the Watchtower. Being ripped apart probably didn't help his mood.



We can only hope. The episodes are ready, since Canada is several episodes ahead of the US. Currently they've got 4 episodes to go.

So Cadmus is in league with a high ranking demon from Hell? WTF? Talk about playing with fire.

I don't think they know that Tala is the Queen of Evil. I think the group addressed her as an expert on the paranormal/supernatural.

I'm pretty sure that on JLU she's just a human sorceress, in the next episode Felix Faust is shown to be a more powerful magic user than she is (he seems to be the one that trained her).

To the ppl who follow the comics; should the show follow the storylines and characters or should they just remake them? I've never read the comics. I used to keep up with Iron-Man and the What if series. I loved those.

The comics continuity is much more deep and complex than the animated series. And the comic heroes powers are much greater or work differently than the cartoon.

I think the producers of the animated series wanted to keep the show more simple and streamlined. Trying to make an exact duplicate of the DC comic universe simply won't work. There are way too many characters, and years and years of backstory to explain. People who don't read the comics would be totally lost.

Not to mention a lot of the comics backstory contradicts itself.

Say someone who's had very little exposure to comics wanted to dig into the DC universe (post Crisis, I suppose) to get a general idea of who's who, origin stories..etc.. what comics, websites, books..etc..would you recommend for the newbie?

This is a good rundown for a lot of characters, not all but a lot. This has a near-complete timeline of nearly everything in the DC timeline, like literally from the Big Bang on. This is the Wikipedia category for DC characters, but these entries can be written by anyone so I have no idea how accurate they are. Of course, there's always the official site and its message board, both of which can have a lot of info too (the board has sections for each title and each imprint).

Needless to say, I'm a big geek to know these kinds of things.

As for books, that really depends on what your tastes are. Lots of books have different feels to them; if you want something more mature and character-driven and don't really care about action, books from the Vertigo imprint (Sandman, Swamp Thing, Lucifer, Hellblazer, etc.) might be your thing. If you want the more standard Justice League-style heroics, then the regular team and solo books would appeal better. Then again, knowing who actually writes the books might help.

Topic? I just now realized that sleazy Prof. Milo from BtAS was the doctor who got killed by Doomsday. For some reason that makes me sad.

I recommend the Keith Giffen trade paperback of Justice League.

This and this tells you everyone in JLU. But, if you want to know about Justice League, I'd go to the main page of the site. I'd ignore all the moviepoopshoot shit, I do.

Get Animal Man Vol 1-3, and you'll be happy for the rest of your life...trust me....anything by Grant Morrison (well, most of the time) is genius, Alan Moore 70% the time is genius.

Great bonding between Sheyara and Diana tonight. Nothing like fighting in the depths of hell to bring warrrior sistas together, right? And didn't the Demons Three originally appear in the original JLA series?

Finally, the Lasso of Truth! Ooooooo...shiny!

I love Sheyara without the helmet. So. Damn. Gorgeous.

Um, for a cartoon.

"Yeah, I had dinner with two different women at the same time. Cuz I'm a stud."

Flash, we've missed you. Michael Rosenbaum rocks his lines.

I only caught the last five minutes. Ran out to get some things and while before I would have timed my trip better, or set the vcr, I just can't bring myself to care after this season. What happened?

"Diana, I am your father." At least they can bring the Star Wars jokes. For the record, I hate Shayera's current outfit. She looks like she's about to go jogging any second.

Forgot about that Hades bit. For the record, that's not part of any continuity I can remember. I'd go into the long origin of the Amazons as laid out in the Gods & Mortals tpb I got from the library...but to keep things short? Hippolyta created Diana from clay...solo. No Hades. And where is Ares these days? Wouldn't he make for a better villain, or do the writers want to avoid comparisons to the Hercules/Xena continuity.

Shayera says to WW (after bitching she doesn't get cold or even sweat):

'I'd even be surprised if you'..<gets interrupted>

Fill in the blank!

1) Go to the bathroom

2) Have an orgasm

3) Get sick

4) Get horny

5) ever mess your hair

.

Take a shiitake mushroom.

They did that a couple of times, cutting away from a line when someone would utter a curse.

I figured menses

I like the pairing of Hawkgirl and Wonder Woman, and it was great to see the Flash again, but the story didn't quite make sense to me.

I don't think Felix Faust deposing Hades should disrupt the balance between Chaos and Order, since it's just one evil dude replacing another evil dude while Tartarus remains in operation. This is essentially an internal power struggle, not a fundamental imbalance in the universe. Also, I assume Tartarus is only supposed to be the hell dimension for one specific pantheon, so it shouldn't be affecting magic dudes with no direct connection to the Olympians. If anything, Diana should be the one freaking out in the infirmary.

Also, I thought Sheyara acknowleged in her comeback episode that people had a right to be angry at her. I didn't see any trace of that in her reactions to Diana.

Hades was a god while Faust was just a spirit in a suit of armour. Hades might be considered an elemental power, thus when he is removed the balance is ruined and there's magical chaos. Plus Faust wasn't actualy performing any of Hades' duties, just reading.

In other words, he was letting Hell go all to Hell?

Man... the boyfriend and I missed this one, but we loved last week where the Clock King shows up and I'm all "Hey! Hey! Hey! that's from BtAS!"

Are there DVD releases for this show at all?

Pretty good episode. I liked seeing the ladies teaming up and finally putting aside their differences. And Shayera brought the snark. I loved that.

Hermes was pretty funny too.

"[Faust] went straight to Tartarus. I mean straight."

Begins to read a scroll. "For a good time, call...Oops, wrong one. I may actually have a shot with this one. She left her cell phone number."



Shayera was definitely talking about WW's ability to, ahem, make waste.

And Wonder Woman resorted to theievery instead of asking just so she could avoid Shayera? Shameful!

I liked the Mycenean-style painting in the background of WW's room where the woman was dancing on the bull.

Thanks DMike, groovydess and The Pez for the site and book recommendations. I went to my local comic book shop today and was utterly lost with all the options. I was looking for both JL/JLU/JLA and Batman comics/books and when the clerk asked what exactly I was looking for, all I could say was that I really liked the animated shows. Evidently, that's not very popular with your average hard-core comic store clerk because I was given the biggest dismissive look. Man, I must of looked like the biggest, clueless newbie. I ended up picking up the newest Batman comic "Old Friends?" and the complete collection of JLA's "Crime Syndicate of America". I really liked the Batman comic but I'm not sure I'm liking the JLA stuff. It seems a bit too gritty for my tastes.

Anyhoo, I liked last night's ep. a lot. I enjoy the fun romp eps. JLU is reminding me a lot of X-Files. We've got our on-going conspiricy/mytharc with those dashes of humor-driven stand alone eps. Good stuff.

So far only one JLU DVD release:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/releaseinfo.cfm?ReleaseID=4529

Just the first 3 episodes from the first season of JLU. I wish they'd stop it with the single disc releases and just go for the boxed sets.

Minoan, actually.

I've just been very unhappy with the JLU arc as a whole. The awful theme song was an omen, I tells ya! Too many cooks spoil the broth, or in this case dilute the impact of the stories. Fourth and fifth string characters are cool to spot in the background, but I don't really care when they become the focus of an episode. I really am hoping this season ends with the destruction of the present League so it can go back to a small group.

hmmph, I only got to see the last 15 minutes or so, I's so jealous of you guys. What I saw was pretty good, I especially liked the tone of Shayera's voice when she said that Diana didn't sweat, she glowed. I like Shayera's jogging outfit, looks nice and seems practical for kicking butt.

ETA: Mischief Managed.


So, I was able to see ep 5-9? The last ep is Question Authority which was awesome. I was so surprised to see Captain Atom go against the league but the preview for the next one looks really good. I hope they can avoid the death. One thing that sucks about seeing all of this so early is that you have to wait until the new one is out.

Random question about The Question: Has anyone ever seen his face? What's his story?

Did Flashpoint air in Canada yet? Or have the new episodes stopped there?

Oh, yeah, lots of times. In fact, in "Fearful Symmetry", you get to see it briefly in the taxi, just before he starts getting manufactured-corporate-pop on the reporter's ass.



To refer to comic continuity, his real name's Vic Sage (well, actually, it's Charles Victor Szasz; he changed it for professional reasons), and he's a pretty successful TV reporter known for going after the harder targets. He was raised in an orphanage and traumatised by the nuns, and spent a good deal of time thereafter being a callous right-wing hardass. Until he got shot in the head. Then he understandably decided it was time for a change, and went all Zen-New-Age-hippie for a while. He was last seen in a rather wretched miniseries spouting bad poetry and talking to Metropolis lamp-posts (don't ask). Oh, and his relationship with Huntress comes from this continuity, too, though there it's a lot more complicated; as a result, they haven't really seen each other in a while, but Vic seems to look out for her when he can.

The conspiracy-theorist angle hasn't really been seen in the comics (except for in his brief appearance in Frank Miller's Dark Knight Strikes Again, wherein he is REALLY into conspiracy theories ("My manifesto must be typed. Once you commit your thoughts to disk, the government has them"); DKSA isn't in continuity, though, so take it as you will). It probably comes, instead, from Rorschach, a character in Alan Moore's brilliant Watchmen who was intended as a Question-analogue, and was a psychotic paranoid who spoke mostly in shorthand.

And that's probably more than anyone ever wanted to know about this fairly obscure comic character, so my geekiness and I will slink off somewhere quietly.

I remember now. It's been such a long time in between eps that I had forgotten about that. Thanks for the history lesson. The Question is one of my favorite characters.

I can't wait for the Huntress/Black Canary episode this weekend. It was written up very favorably in TV Guide.

Just got Saturday's ep.... did anyone else catch that Faust listed Pierre Menard's Don Quixote as one of the all time evil texts? Talk about obscure references - hilarious!

I see nobody's responded to Illogic's question, so I'll answer it (I also don't see this as spoilery, so I won't bother to block it out): No, YTV reran "Hunter's Moon" last Friday. Supposedly, they're going to continue with the remaining new episodes this week. We'll see.

Too bad they didn't show any of those Minoan-style semi-topless dresses; mmmm...

Regarding the painting in the background, I kept thinking what an odd choice it was... it made me think of the "Rape of Europa" which seems like such an un-Amazon theme.