Well there's no such thing as psionic energy in real life, so we can't really say what it does or if it's even gives off harmful radiation. There is EM energy in comic book world, but the physics of it may not work the same way as in real life.

A new JLU episode featuring Captain Marvel (voiced by Jerry O'Connell) will be among those debuting on April. More info at Comics Continuum.

Aside from the Flash, someone that was missing in this Justice League Underdogs parade it's definitely Captain Marvel!. If something (IMO) can clear Wonder Woman/Batman's relationship, it's their interaction with CM.

I wonder if his appeareance would add something to the Cadmus/Goverment/JL conflict, because it's almost certain that someone is going to be super prissy (remember the Ultimen episode?)...and that might not going to be well received by many.

The Justice League: Orgins 3 parter was on YTV this morning. I only git to tape the third part but it's surprising how much better the show used to be. I found them to be far more interesting than anything they've come up with lately (aside from the ep that was just a big shout out to the Super Friends which was hillarious). Hawkgirl and Flash really make the difference, especially Flash. I'd forgotten how funny he was.

I agree, I miss Hawgirl and Flash. It saddens me, I used to loooove this cartoon. I mean I still enjoy it but not as much.

The old episodes when compared to TNBA and Superman weren't good but the old format at least compelled writers to pour out their all in the episodes. The 30 minute episodes take too long to get into the action and when they finally get to the fighting, the ep is already almost over.

Thanks to the folks over at world's finest on toonzone, the rest of season 2's episode titles and blurbs have been released. I've included the three that have already aired for the sake of completeness.


Episode #14 - The Cat and the Canary
February 5th 2005
Black Canary convinces Green Arrow to help save her mentor, the Wildcat, from his involvement in an underground, super-powered fight club.

Episode #15 - The Ties That Bind
February 12th 2005
The world's greatest escape artist needs help from the Flash in order to break a deadly enemy out of an inescapable prison on an alien planet.

Episode #16 - Doomsday Sanction
February 19th 2005
While Superman battles Doomsday in the heart of a Volcano, Batman discovers an elaborate conspiracy to destroy the Justice League.

Episode #17 - Task Force X
Five incarcerated super villains are offered suspended sentences if they can survive an impossible mission: steal a deadly weapon from the Justice League's satellite headquarters.

Episode #18 - The Balance
Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl must put aside their feud and go to the depths of Tartarus when the evil sorcerer Felix Faust establishes dominion over Hades.

Episode #19 - Double Date
Green Arrow and Black Canary race to stop The Question and Huntress from killing organized crime lord, Tobias Whale.

Episode #20 - Clash
The world's mightiest mortal, Captain Marvel, joins the Justice League but even his power may not be enough to foil Lex Luthor's latest plot.

Episode #21 - Mystery in Space
Responding to a deep space distress call, Shayera leads her reluctant teammates Vigilante and Vixen into a deadly trap.

Episode #22 - Question Authority
The Question discovers a secret that threatens to shake the very foundations of the Justice League.

Episode #23 - Flashpoint
To avenge a fallen comrade, Superman declares war on Cadmus.

Episode #24 - Panic in the Sky
With the founding members out of action, the remaining 50 heroes fight to survive Cadmus' ultimate attack on the Justice League.

Episode #25 - Divided we Fall
When most of the Justice League is incapacitated, who will be left to stand against the League deadliest enemies?

Episode #26 - Epilogue
50 years in the future, the history of the Justice League is the key to Batman's darkest secret -and his final destiny.

A couple of the episode titles might be changed, but as far as I know the blurbs are accurate. Looks like it will be one awesome finale.

Wow, this season looks to be shaping up quite nicely than the first season of JLU did. I just wish they were hour long episodes, the blurbs sound awesome, but they always cram too much into the 30 minute episodes, they need an hour to do them justice. So what does Shayera go by these days, just her name ala Jean Grey or the moniker Hawkgirl? I want to see her in her costume again, I loved that costume on her.

So who do we think the fallen comrade is, Hamilton? One of the league members? It just says fallen, so it could mean one of the core 7 is harmed, but if it's regarding Hamilton i'm sure he bites it. Got to have a death, and he has a history, so it's more painful, plus he's been conspiring against Kal El w/o him knowing about it, so that would be a good angle to go w/. It also looks like an episode with the core 7, hopefully including Shayera, will take place. And is it too much to hope that there will be some deaths? It's an all out battle b/t good and good, there has to be casulties, there has to.

I think Shayera does just go by name right now: that's how she was credited in her episodes last season. I'm sure some members of the public/press probably still call her Hawkgirl, but the rest of the JLU doesn't.

With regards to the fallen comrade, I think it has to be the Flash. They've been hammering the whole Justice Lords thing (where the Flash was killed) and Flashpoint kind of lends itself to that conclusion (although I've heard an alternate title is Elegy). I kind of doubt that he'll actually be killed, but maybe he'll just be incapactitated for a long time. Various Flashes have been known to travel through time, join the speed force, etc. in the comics.

The episode where Hawkgirl kills Grundy was on again last night and that ending never gets easier to watch. I know it was a Buffy ripoff, but that scene was probably one of the most genuinely emotional in the entire cartoon.

I really like this episode too. Shayera and her mace? Best Thing Ever.

Thanks for posting the blurbs, cambridgeguy. I can't wait until the second part starts up again.

In regards to those spoilers:

Anyone else calling bullshit on Cadmus being able to take out the main 7, let alone the rest of the league??? I'm sorry but the idea of a human run organization taking out the big 7 just smacks of utter bullshit to me.

I can totally see this happening, I mean Lex is backing Cadmus, and he did develop that power transdemogifier, i don't know the name but you know what i mean, during the justice lords episode that weakened them to the state that the justice league could actually defeat them. He was told he could never build another one i believe, but that wouldn't stop him from giving the blueprints to Cadmus. They could even tweak it where it could have a wider range to take them all out at once. The possibilities are endless w/Lex involved.

Not really ... We're talking about an organization that's produced a clone of Supergirl and a team of super powered clones. They confiscated a nano-tech alien spaceship, they've got a magic user among their ranks, the smartest scientist in the world, are backed by Luthor (presumably), and they've managed to figure out who Batman really is.

I've lurked here for some time and have to say that I love the episodes that can stand on their own. The episodes that require some knowledge of the comic universe, however, are shaky at best. Granny? Darkseid? Some weird planet? I don't know. My mom stopped buying me comics back in '77 (at least she still gave me two quarters per week for video games). I'm trying to keep up, but I feel like I was doing better with the earlier seasons.

I think some of the more complicated plots that seem to rely on some backstory would be much better off with an hour. If the don't have an hour, then please do a multi-parter. IMO, of course. I don't pay the bills.

One of the best comic runs of Justice League was when Ras Al Ghul took Batman's contingency plans and used them against the JLA. That was an awesome series. So yeah Cadmus could take out the main 7, but not with the panache that it's been done before

Darkseid, Granny, et cetera were in Superman: The Animated Series. So really you only need knowledge of the animated universe to understand what is going on. You can look for the first volume on DVD.

Thanks for the info, Perfect Xero, I really do appreciate it. I also apologize for sounding like a jerk in my last post. But I really did rely on Moms buying me comic books for the first X number of years and when she cut me off, that was it! I also had to walk to school. It would have been uphill both ways, but I live in the midwest. We can't afford hills.

But I have to ask (and I'm really being a devil's advocate, not a total jackass... I hope), should a series like this be able to stand on its own to attract viewers/new fans? Or is it for those who are in the know?

I really enjoy the series, but not so much when I'm left going "huh?". But at the same time, I know there are folks out there who do know what's up and are pissed that there wasn't more insider info in the plot.

Guess I'm glad I'm not a writer for an animated series!

edited to say "midwest" not "midweset" 'cause that's just crazy.

I started a thread for JL on the Tubey's Kids forum. I think that getting a two-part arc recapped would be killer, especially with all the great Season Two stories out there.

When's this coming back with new episodes?

Three new episodes are scheduled to air on May 21st, May 28th and June 4th. After that - who knows? I'm really pissed off at the way the Cartoon Network is broadcasting this series. The 4th season started in February, but they only showed 3 episodes out of the 13 made for Season 4. Then it went into repeats again and lately, is not even on the schedule at all. There are no repeats of any JLU episode, so if you miss if on its Saturday night airing, you're out of luck (unless they repeat it somewhere down the line). Contrast this to 1 or two years ago when they repeated the current episode 2-3 times during the week. Not to mention that S1 & 2 were shown daily Monday-Friday. They show repeats and new episodes of just about every other series on Cartoon Network, so what is their problem?

Not to mention that they did repeats of BOTH parts of each new episode on the same weekend.

"There are no repeats of any JLU episode, so if you miss if on its Saturday night airing, you're out of luck (unless they repeat it somewhere down the line)."

Speaking of which, I missed it on Saturday, so does any body know of a site that has a b..t.....t I might be able to see?

It should stand on its own, definitively. The show can't survive on fans of the books alone, and it's too much to expect the viewers to have watched all the previous DCAU shows.

That being said, they haven't been entirely succesful with JLU. The legion of super-heroes still feels like pandering to the readers, despite the handful of characters they've developed. Also, I feel like they've begun using our knowledge out of the comic book characters as a shortcut to making us care about them. There was no reason I should have cared about Maxwell Lord, as presented in Ultimatum; however, since he's a comic book character, I feel compelled to care. Bad, JLU writers, bad!

For me, the only thing that should be necessary to understand JL is JL itself. Fortunately, whatever references JLU has made to previous series have been low key.

I'm surprised that none of our Canadien friends have said anything lately, since YTV just started showing new episodes of JLU starting this past Friday and may just show the rest of the season. Since I'm weak I didn't completely avoid the spoilers, so I'll just say that long time DCAU fans will receive quite a shock when they see one of the villains in Task Force X. The rest will just be scratching their heads.

Hmm, well, since no one else seems interested, I'll add a few comments about Task Force X. Yeah, I watched it Friday night on YTV. Excellent episode, with some truly brutal fight scenes. Don't read the following if you want to be surprised, especially in regards to the "mystery villain" that Cambridgeguy mentions.

The ep is a sort of mini-Ocean's 11, told from the point of view of the vllians. Led by one of Waller's subordinates, Col. Flagg, 4 baddies smuggle themselves onboard the Watchtower to steal the Annihilator. The villains are Deadshot, Plastique, Captain Boomerang...and Temple Fugit, the Clock King. Alan Rachins returns as Fugit, who looks exactly the same as he did on BTAS; no redesign for him, but that's all right, as he looks fine just as he is. Anyway, they encounter the Vigilante, the Shining Knight (both of whom get speaking roles this time out) and the Atom-Smasher, who's a real bruiser. After an ultra-violent fight, just as Flagg and his team are about to get away, J'onn steps in, and is pretty fucking scary. He cuts loose with his powers for the first time, and is truly a formidable foe. But the villains still get away.

It was a gas to see Fugit again. I always rather liked him, and he's the same tight-lipped, prissy, repressed bastard that he was in his Batman appearences. His talents as an efficiency expert are put to good use by Waller and Flagg. Boomerang's also pretty entertaining. ("75 cents is 75 cents!") and Deadshot is an excellent sleaze.

Wow, thank you for the spoilers, JYD. :-) I just wish Cartoon Network would finally start showing these new eps!

I'm waiting for the new stuff, too, but I really liked the time-travel episodes that were on the past few weeks (I hadn't seen them before). Naturally, Batman was in on the finale, but Green Lantern was kind of a surprise. I really liked the part when they went to the Old West and met Jonah Hex; that guy deserves his own series.

"The Once and Future Thing" really highlights the complete hypocrisy of Batman. He chews out Superman for 'playing God' with Doomsday and banishing him to the Phantom Zone, yet he has no problem trapping Chronos (and possibly his wife) in an infinite time loop?

I'm not sure its Batman or just the inconsistency of the JLU writers. They're a pretty sloppy bunch.
But yeah, there no excuse for Bats, here.

I'd say there's different circumstances. Technically, Chronos could be saved if someone happens to interupt the cycle. Also, Chronos was messing with time, heck he caused it to unravel, that's a heck of a lot more serious than a super powered psycho.

Also,

(1) Superman had an alternative (going public with Doomsday and turning him over for justice) that Batman didn't. Superman may not have liked the alternative, but it was available. (Batman, in particular, regularly turns his villians over to Arkham, notwithstanding its revolving door).

(2) Technically, all Chronos has to do to escape the timeloop is decide not to use his belt. Depending on the nature of free will and predestination in the JLUU, maybe there is a small chance that he will, and once the loop runs enough times, he'll be out.

(3) Superman is Superman and Batman is Batman. (In other words, Superman is an apparently immortal godling, and Batman is the one person Batman trusts with ultimate power).

Speaking of number 2, what's happening to the rest of the universe after Chronos activates the belt? From his wife's perspective, did he just disappear once, and now she's going on with her life, waiting for him to reappear. (Now that I think about it, that's probably right).

I just saw the ep that Junkyard Dog posted the spoilers for and I really enjoyed it. I generally like things shown from the villains' point of view and all the fights were entertaining. It also had several good lines.

"Turning him over to Justice?" And how long would it take for the Government goons to swoop in and cart Doomsday off? He'd never get to a trial.

Doomsday is too freaking dangerous to trust the Government to keep him, (How many innocent people did he kill in his first rampage?) and there is no revolving door in the Phantom Zone. Doomsday is alive and in safe custody.

I still fail to see any distinction between what Batman did to Chronos and what Superman did to Doomsday.

I'm not sure that there's anything Batman could have done with Chronos. It's not like he could just turn him over to the police, although I suppose he could have just written a note telling whomever was still around to keep a very close eye on Chronos and intervene before he had a chance to start his time travel. Ah, the joys of time travel.

As for Doomsday, my impression is that he wasn't able to break out of his restraints without Milo's help. Therefore, technically speaking locking him up in a similar device and banishing him to a remote location (the moon, for example) may have been an option. Also, keep in mind that:

1. The Phantom Zone isn't necessarily a one way trip, since those Kryptonian villians managed to get out.
2. Hamilton actually knows how to build a projector, he just needs a couple of key pieces to make it work properly.
3. Hamilton also knows where the Fortress of Solitude is, so if Supes keeps the projector there most of the time someone from Cadmus could go get it.

One more thing about Doomsday: since he's a clone of Superman, does this mean he has an extreme case of self-loathing? :)

A superman level psycho who recovers from any defeat and becomes immune to the thing that defeated him? If you don't get rid of him somehow he'll end up destroying the planet.


Chronos is a normal guy with a fancy belt, take away his belt and he's just a wimp who can be contained like any other criminal. Heck, a bunch of old west cowboy types managed to contain him until the Justice League showed up and let him out.

As for Doomsday ... What are they going to do? Give him back to the people who developed him as an unstoppable weapon and then let him escape twice?


Doomsday seems to think that he'll be able to escape the Phantom Zone, how is that any different than a slight chance that Chronos might choose to not use his belt (if that is even possible)?


Which is my point about Batman's hypocrisy. In both situations Batman and Superman (though Supes seems to have the backing of the rest of the 'Big 7' minus Bats) take it upon themselves to 'lock up' a huge potential threat without consulting with the 'normal' authorities. The only big difference is that in one case it is Batman making the choice and in the other it is Superman. Batman doesn't have a problem with his own actions, in fact he's bragging about it to GL at the end of the episode. When Clark does, essentially, the same thing Batman acts like he (Clark) has just stepped over a major line.

There is the point that Doomsday was already beaten and contained when he was trapped.

And Batman could've transported Chronos back to the Watchtower with them, smacked him on the head, and removed his fancy belt. As for Doomsday, the problem is that he's pretty much unstoppable, you can delay him, slow him down, but sooner or later he'll evolve and get strong enough that no one can stop him.

Regardless of all that, Batman questioning the tactics and morals of Superman is highly suspect. Batman beats the crap out of people and threatens to kill them in order to get information out of them. He digs into peoples lives, breaks into their homes, et cetera ... So much of what he does is outside the law that he really doesn't have any right to whine about anything that Superman or Wonder Woman or anyone else does.

Could it just be that Batman was just being pissy because he can see validity of the fear that the Military have about the Justice league. And he can see seeds of the Justice Lords being planted as Lex Luthor starts his candidacy for president. With all that happening maybe he thinks the Justice Lords world could have really been a future instead of an alternate world. Especially since they fought Doomsday before and Lex was President instead of trying to become president.

That would be in line with his usual style, but there's no guarantees. Chronos could possibly escape from prison and rebuild his time machine, and then you have do everything all over again. The time loop was necessary to keep him (Chronos) permanently contained. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Exactly, it is the same situation as with Superman and Doomsday. Put Doomsday in jail and there's a chance (probably a pretty good one) that he'll escape and start rampaging again. Which is my point about Batman displaying extreme Bat-Hypocrisy. Batman has no problem with his choosing to 'lock away' a potential threat (who is a human, by the way) without going through any of the legal channels but he chews Superman out for locking away a nearly unstoppable killing machine without going through legal channels (which, by the way, would essentially be handing him back to Cadmus).

That's how I saw it too. I didn't really see or suspect how Batman gets on Superman's case (Batman seems to get on everyone's case) about how they got rid of Doomsday more the whole aspect of judgement. Batman is just more paranoid about this prospective future than the others.

Well, that's our Bats, true to form as always (although usually with good reason). OTOH, he doesn't seem to be ashamed of himself for being a hypocrite (RE: Chronos/Doomsday/etc.). I guess being the Batman means never having to say you're sorry.

Well, Bats is more of a pessimist (or realist, depending on your POV) while Superman and the rest tend to be much more optimistic with regards to themselves. One thing to note is that we've seen Superman fly into a murderous rage several times and somebody generally has to step in and pull him off. The only time that I remember Bats doing it is in ROTJ, which may/may not have happened. If it did they're playing fast and loose with the timeline, but that's another issue.

"Several" times? The only time I saw Supes really lose his temper is in that Superman episode when he beat the living shit out of Darksied.

In the other instances when he went bonkers is when he was brainwashed or under the mental influence of someone else. He clearly wasn't in control of himself in those cases.

Supes lost it after Turpin was killed and the alien invasion from the pilot episode did he not, killing the aliens like that w/his heat vision? I haven't seen the pilot in awhile since CN refuses to air the previous seasons of JL anymore.

In regards to Batman being weary, which I understand, about the League turning into the Lord I just can't see how they could do this. Hawkgirl and Flash would never let them turn into this, nor Jonn, regardless if the Flash would or would not be killed or the knowledge of what would happen, after the Thangarian invasion and seeing their alternate selves it just wouldn't happen. I understand his weariness but he isn't giving his commrades enough credit, the only "could go rogue" agents are Supes, Dianna, and Jon, b/c of their anger issues.

I just want to say the creators made a mistake w/the expanded League b/c it is stupid to think that none of these other heroes would step in during the alien invasion or the Thangerian invasion. Mass continuity error that the creators will never be able to mend.

I disagree-- in fact the Thanagarian invasion highlighted the need for expansion. These other heroes were out there, but the infrastructure and the lines of communication weren't in place to "call for back-up". And just because we didn't see what, say, Green Arrow or Black Canary were doing, it doesn't mean they were sitting on their asses. It just wasn't part of that story.

I mean, sure-- it would have been neat to see that Batman had the same sort of contingency plan in place like in the "The Obsidian Age" story in the comics-- but Starcrossed was a pretty full, heavy story already.

I say the JL didn't need the other heroes helped. Even if HG betrayed them, just one of them escaping(it happened to be WW) was more than enough to turn the tide. Even a de-powered GL(especially one with military background) could've escape and release say, Supes, Bats, or WW and then the rest of the story could've gone from there.

I think its debatable if more superheroes was needed for Starcrossed and/ or contingecy for JLU.

Man, am I the only TWoPster in Canada who's catching the new eps as they premiere on YTV? I thought I'd wait this time and see if anyone else wanted to contribute some remarks about "the Balance". Since nobody's stepping forward, I guess I'll say a few things, but I'll make my comments brief.

I thought this one was on the mediocre side, which is a pity. I really wanted to like it, as this ep focuses on Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl. Unfortunately, the dialouge is pretty stilted; something about it just didn't click, and the entire episode seems 'off' as a result.

There's an apparent resolution to the subplot with the Annihilator, but the set-up in "Task Force X" was much better than this weak payoff. I was looking forward to seeing what Cadmus would do with the Big A., and the way he's eliminated here just seemed like a waste.

Sorry, I meant to post earlier but I forgot.

I liked this episode a lot, but I like most Hawkgirl heavy episodes. I'd say the only bad thing for me was that they brought in WW's shiney golden magic lasso of truth. I hate that damned truth thing.