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shdwrlm
I caught that too, what was that about? She looke pissed as hell at him, and we all know you don't want that woman pissed at you.


I believe he mentioned that he was dating Vixen, so maybe she's jealous.

and in case you didn't know, Rosenbaum has been providing background voices and such for this past season on JLU, just not the Flash for whatever reason the producers had for not including him this past season.


I saw that mentioned on a previous page, but didn't know it was official. Where has this been mentioned?

This follow up was meh to me, the deaths were great, although would like to have seen Warhawk go, that would have made the death toll better to me, John would have been pissed, but oh well.


I was actually expecting a super cheesy death scene, so I'm glad they didn't actually go through with it.

And it was awesome to see Static, but... was I the only one really jonesing to see Gear? If nothing else, I was curious to see whether he was fat in this future...


Hee!! Now that I think about it, how the hell did they manage to kill Superman but not Static? Now, I do like the Static Shock series, but it really pisses me off that they portray him as a bigger superhero than everyone else.
Gnosis
Now that I think about it, how the hell did they manage to kill Superman but not Static?


I'm guessing kryptonite was somehow involved.

I thought this was a pretty good episode. I never watched much BB, but it was cool to see the two Bruces working together. The Hal Jordan cameo was also nice.

For those yearning for more Flash the episode airing in two weeks is supposed to be a Flash-centered one featuring Mister Miracle.
Vermicious Knid
I thought this was pretty good, considering the second parts of two-parters usually fall apart. Warhawk looked less than 50 years old, so I don't think they get together soon. The crack about Shayera laying an egg and the look on John's face was good. Hopefully we'll see some repairing of that relationship in the next season. I didn't think the look was pissed, but more that she doesn't know what to do around him.

Interesting way to cameo Hal. Pops in, pops out, no explanation. A toss-off for all the Silver Age fans. Yeah, the stereotyping about the wife was lame. Unhappy in your marraige? Get a divorce, don't destroy the timeline. But will John and Bruce's knowledge change anything? That exact future isn't going to happen anymore.
CommanderBeef
The readout on Bruce's computer screen looked like Matrix code.
Clockstomper24
Hee!! Now that I think about it, how the hell did they manage to kill Superman but not Static?


Kal-El's most vulnerable to to being erased by time shifts, as the whole rocketing-to-earth-and-being-found-by-the-Kents thing is pretty coincididental on it's own. And yeah, I'm annoyed by Static being portrayed as the be-all, end-all of superheroes. Sure, electrical powers can be pretty damned powerful, but he sure as hell wasn't using them any better here than he does in teen form.

Seeing Terry again was awesome, I felt sad old Bruce had to lose yet ANOTHER partner.

I did like the slight consistancy with "The Savage Time": Because Chronos, Bats and Lantern were protected by the Green Aura, only they were left with memories and after effects of the changed time-line. Hence GL's cut and Chronos' belt still being infected by the time loop virus.
alexias
While I enjoyed the episode, I was annoyed at the disappearance of Wonder Woman. It would have been much better I think had the handled it the way the old Superfriends cartoon did when the Legion went back and took away Wonder Woman, Superman and Green Lantern. They disappeared from present time and those around them had no recollection that they existed. If Diana never left the island, or if she never existed in the first place then they shouldn't have realized she was gone. How could they miss someone they never met? If they remember her, it is because they met her and if they met her she exists and left the island so she never should have disappeared to begin with. Unless she was killed at some earlier point.
Vermicious Knid
The readout on Bruce's computer screen looked like Matrix code.

And Chucko's double bladed lightsaber was stolen from Episode I.
MrX
Part 2 did remind a little of "Hereafter", if only because we get to see a future where the JLU has been wiped out. Still, I did like the episode. The Bruce/Bats meeting and interaction was as good as I'd hoped. Terry's death was a surprised but by then we already knew the reset button was going to get hit anyway. The ending with the hand at the beginning of time was a little weird, but I guess that that was a nod to the comics anyway.

I did like seeing GL and Bats working together again (as adults). It reminded me of the pre-JLU episodes.
lurk3000
Cool episode...though I wish I hadn't missed part 1.
I enjoyed the old Bruce/young Bruce meeting and great to see Hal Jordan.
favorite lines:
"65 is the new 30"
Batman: "Criminals are still superstitious and cowardly right?"
old Bruce: "yep."
Yaypie
What do you mean by Static being the end all of SuperHeros? In Static Shock he holds the JLU'rs with awe. He was all but doing "we're not worthy!" even when they needed his help!
Pat Agonia
"" By that I think they were referring to him being among the last of the survivors.
Colonial Philistine
Or maybe Static is proof that the meek will inherit the earth.
Yaypie
Virgil is not meek, or a wuss. I loved that cartoon and still watch it now and again. Static brings Teh Funny. I don't know why he didn't have any funny lines this time. He also has a lesser ego than some other Super Heros that I could point out. Much as I love Bruce, the stick up his ass gets grating at times. He's great anyway, but that's just part of him I want to take a break from now and again.

Hmm...I wonder if something happens to his and Gear's partnership. This is the second time Richie has been missing in action in a future episode.
manticoraus
The first time Gear was just busy. This time likely dead.

The ENORMOUS discrepancies from the reality (bats doesn't remember, Diana being rememberred etc) make it so that it is very likely Bruce continues his path unabated into BB-verse mode. Its not even the first alternate future he knows about and it was likely destoryed. Old Bruce didn't explain anything about the current batman sitch and I don't even think CurrentBruce heard Terry's name and if he did... so WHAT!

So they really saved themselves their. I haven't even read CoIE and I caught the white out reference but was more shocked by the Hand thing I mean geniune there is a God implication on this cartoon WHOAH.
CommanderBeef
Hmm...I wonder if something happens to his and Gear's partnership. This is the second time Richie has been missing in action in a future episode.

He probably ate too much Taco Bell, couldn't get off the couch.
(In the future, all restaurants are Taco Bell. "Demolition Man" taught me everything I ever need to know.)
Zulfiya
I figure that they didn't want to clutter Static's two future eps with a sidekick. If you're only going to have three survivors, they really need to be the headliners.

I figured that Static probably lived because he wasn't on the watchtower when it blew. He seems much more likely to be the type that prefers his own turf, as would Batman. For Warhawk I got nothin' though.
Zerowing
manticoraus:

The ENORMOUS discrepancies from the reality (bats doesn't remember, Diana being rememberred etc)


The discrepancies are what usually referred to in time-travel stories as 'paradoxes'. Like how does recall something that never happened or is yet to happen, etc. The build-up of paradoxes is what can damage the timeline, and thus why extensive time-travel is generally frowned on.

So they really saved themselves their. I haven't even read CoIE and I caught the white out reference but was more shocked by the Hand thing I mean genuine there is a God implication on this cartoon WHOAH.


Yes, there is a 'Supreme Being' or 'Creator' in the DC comics universe. They call the entity, the "Presence". There is also another primordial force in the DC universe called the "Source". It's never been made clear if the Presence and the Source are one in the same, or if they are separate entities.
Arkham
Yeah, my impression is that DC's cosmology is more religion-based than Marvel's and equally (if not more) confusing. The Presence is the Supreme Being. After that, the most powerful entities are Archangel Michael and Lucifer Morningstar (who is supposedly so powerful that he can create and destroy entire universes and create concepts such as Time from scratch). Unless you consult a different source, in which case it's The Great Beast, who is not the same as Lucifer Morningstar. Or it's the Spectre, who ranges from being on the same level as Dr. Fate to being virtually omnipotent, depending on who is writing him. Plus there's the Source, the members of the Endless (who sorta are and sorta aren't part of the mainstream DC Universe), the Brothers (from a DC-Marvel crossover), Red Jack (who claimed to be God), and probably some other cosmic entities to make things more complicated.

During the end, when John is looking at Shayera while considering the whole "In a possible future we have a kid" thing she looks like she gives him a dirty look. Why?


That didn't make any sense to me. Based on her previous characterization, I don't think she'd begrudge John for hanging out with his teammates, even if they voted against her. For that matter, I don't think she'd begrudge Bats and WW for voting against her. Maybe John promised her that they'd eat lunch together and then forgot about it, but even then I'd expect her to look more disappointed than angry.

Also, the way that played at the end made it seem like John was cool with the idea of getting back together with Shayira and she was the one who would object, whereas I would have expected the opposite.
Smeg
When Wonder Woman was fading out, her last line was about being able to fix the time line "and save your friend." It looked like she was talking to either Terry or Virgil. I'm guessing- and hoping- that was a reference to Richie's death.
SilverKnight

The discrepancies are what usually referred to in time-travel stories as 'paradoxes'. Like how does recall something that never happened or is yet to happen, etc. The build-up of paradoxes is what can damage the timeline, and thus why extensive time-travel is generally frowned on. [/quote]
Thank you thank you thank you for getting that! It's refreshing to know that people here seem to grasp that concept. On another forum, I had to explain it about three seperate times, and people still kept asking stupid questions. >twitches<

Oh, incidentally, I liked this episode. Pointless in the long run, sure, but it was a fun ride.

"Nice with the stealth thing, lady."

God I missed Terry. :(
elle
During the end, when John is looking at Shayera while considering the whole "In a possible future we have a kid" thing she looks like she gives him a dirty look. Why?
I read that look as "why is he staring at me like that?", rather than her giving him a dirty look. Could have been both, cause the dude was staring at her strangely.
Warden
Pretty good episode since it had Dennis Farina as Wildcat. I kind of knew that that was GA's plan to make Wildcat think he killed somebody and hopefully realize that it wasn't for him. Was J'onn going to put the whammy on Wildcat to make sure he didn't fight anymore or just scan his mind to see if he's telling the truth.
mcmaenza
I took J'Onn's role in the end as sort of therapy - the Martian with his telepathy makes for the perfect team psychologist. As Ted put it, he'd rather fight than have to go through that. It was a way for Ted to face his demons and really get past them.

I thought it was a good episode all the way around. Some nice villain cameos too.
Gnosis
I liked this one quite a bit. I'm a big fan of Canary and Wildcat is one of my favorite JSAers so it was good to seem them on the show.

So Canary was playing GA when they were training, right? Because there is no way Ollie is a better fighter that Dinah.
Lantern7
Good ep...though I couldn't keep track of the fighters (I know Evil Star and Sportsmaster, though). Nice to bring in the Ollinary shipping, as well as Wildcat having trained some of the best fighters in the DCU. But it wasn't nearly as much fun as the last few episodes, though.
Cypher21
I have to agree, going into this episode I thought wow, this will be good. Canary was hot and a great character all in all, just from one episode she is up on my list of favorite characters right behind Shayera. The premise of a "meta-human" fight club setting was just stupid, could have done so much more w/the three of these characters. And I know that Wildcat trained Canary, but to up and abandon her in that fight at the beginning, the League would have been all over him for that, you know Jonn is monitoring that and more. All in all besides a great fleshing out of characters this was a meh episode.


Was I the only one who was thinking that a series based around Green Arrow and Black Canary would be great. All that sexual chemistry b/t the two of those from just their initial meeting made the episode for me. They should spin these two off, throw in Hal Jordan and we're good. What is the title that goes w/these three characters? Hard Travelling Heroes?
Readster
Great seeing Roulette in the animation sense. Now we just need Flash fighting Captain Cold and the rest of the Rogues with a team up with Jay Garrick and Kid Flash and Jesse Quick and I can die a happy man. Love Wild Cat and having Black Canary and Green ARrow together. Ah, DC Goodness.
mrow
Aww, Green Arrow and Black Canary got Sexy all over my Justice League. Wait a second, that's actually pretty good. Man, this episode really sold the attraction between these two characters for me.

Also, Wildcat wasn't a Metahuman? How come he could punch through a stone wall? Is he just that good?
brandmed
I really liked this episode. The three heroes are all personal favorites. While I have missed about three JLU episodes, of the ones I've seen, this was one of my favorite Unlimited adventures. And I just love Morenda Baccarin. Thouygh Canary just doesn't look quite right to me without actual fishnets.
Hugin
Also, Wildcat wasn't a Metahuman? How come he could punch through a stone wall? Is he just that good? ~mrow


Wildcat is theoretically one of the very best non-metahuman hand to hand fighters in the DC universe, and has been involved to some degree or another in the training of a few of the other best fighters in the DC universe, most notably Batman. I suppose it's sort of like a martial-arts-y character breaking a stack of cinderblocks.
lurk3000
Canary just doesn't look quite right to me without actual fishnets.


I know...but could you imagine how hard it would be to draw? Hm...ya know with computers maybe not.

How did they all escape the collapsing coliseum?

Good episode.
Skyblade
How come he could punch through a stone wall?


Roid rage?

Seriously, the episode succeeded on Arrow and Canary alone. Their scenes were surprisingly steaming. The hottest chemistry between cartoon characters since Augie Doggie and Doggie Daddy.
the fresh maker
Oh, man. This ep sure was steamy.

I'm sure I'm mangling this:
Canary: "You want to go at it?"
GA: "Okay."
Canary: "I meant sparring."
GA: "That works too."

And GA getting his face pounded into hamburger meat? Wow.

And yay! to this: Flash actually appears in the credit previews. He better have a good excuse for where he's been. Won't be long now.
RiverThames

Canary just doesn't look quite right to me without actual fishnets.

I know...but could you imagine how hard it would be to draw? Hm...ya know with computers maybe not.


I suspect that might have been an edict from above that fishnets would have killed their Y7 rating. I think this episode would have teetered on the edge as it is.
Perfect Xero
Watching Green Arrow get the daylights beaten out of him was fun, t'was a shame that they had to muck it up by having him live. Sorry, I'll just sit over here, alone in my Green Arrow hate ...

Big logic hole ... There's a meta-human PPV fighting ring and the League isn't monitoring it? I mean, seriously, what are all those computers in the Watchtower(s) for then? I mean, sure, Flash is probably spending all of his time playing 'Unreal' ... but something like this shouldn't be going on unnoticed.

They should spin these two off, throw in Hal Jordan and we're good. What is the title that goes w/these three characters? Hard Travelling Heroes?

The team-up of Green Lantern Hal Jordan and Green Arrow is (or was) often referred to as "Hard Traveling Heroes", yes. I prefer to call them "Boring Guy in Green and Smug Asshole, Also in Green." Since I think it's a better description of the two characters ...

And if BC is involved in a spin-off, it had better be Birds of Prey.
brandmed
I know...but could you imagine how hard it would be to draw? Hm...ya know with computers maybe not.

Yeah, but the comic artists always manage to draw them. That's why I figured it might have more to do with an "approptirate Content" sort of thing.
MrX
I thought that the episode was okay. It was great to see a half hour dedicated to non-core members, for once. I just didn't like it as much as I thought I would.

This isn't the first time they've passed on drawing fishnets. Zatanna didn't have them either.
cambridgeguy
This isn't the first time they've passed on drawing fishnets. Zatanna didn't have them either.


I read somewhere that the fishnets would be incredibly hard to animate: it seems like a simple enough matter to actually draw them onto a still picture.

I do have to say that for a guy who was pounded into the ground, Green Arrow sure was up and about pretty quickly. I'd have expected him to be eating through a tube for a while.
Damaris56
Yeah, I agree that logic went right out the window with this episode. I expect it on Smallville, but not Justice League. A PPV metahuman fight and not one of the core members of the JL finds out? Nobody in the Watchtower knows about it (even Martian Manhunter)? I've been somewhat vocal about the direction this series went last season in bringing in all these other secondary characters and the complete absence of The Flash. But, if this season is going to have episodes like this one; where not even one member of the core League is involved, they might as well just change the title of the show to DC Universe Tales (or something along those lines) because as far as I'm concerned, this isn't the Justice League. Hopefully, from the closing credits regarding next week's show, they'll redeem themselves somewhat.
Lantern7
Theory: Metafights (or whatever) is a source of guilty entertainment for key members of the JLA. I can imagine Batman watching it in the Batcave, sitting down with a bag of popcorn. "Get 'im! GET 'IM! KICK HIS WEIRD-BEARDED ASS, TEDDY! WHOOOOOOOOO-HA!" Then Alfred walks by. "Um, yeah...totally mean to beat everybody down when I get a chance. Totally."

Even at an advanced age, Wildcat is a badass...and he doesn't need the "gift" Grant Morrison gave him in JLA. Anybody read the issue of JSA where he gets ambushed in the HQ by the Injustice Society...and manages to beat most of them?
the fresh maker
I mean, sure, Flash is probably spending all of his time playing 'Unreal' ... but something like this shouldn't be going on unnoticed.


Ha! But Flash seems more like a Halo guy to me.

You would think the League had its eye on such fights, especially with all of those baddies participating. Perhaps the writers were using stupid, fuzzy logic. If the baddies aren't able to use their powers in these battles, then they're not a threat, right? So, the League doesn't have to keep an eye on them during these battles, right? Besides, the JLU didn't have to waste precious energy beating the crap out of them. Let somebody else do it!

Yeah, that is dumb. Forget I mentioned it.
RiverThames
It could be that the Fight Ring wasn't high on their radar. I can see how between "Someone trying to destroy the World" and "Bad guys beating each other up", it's not much of a judgment call.
Avery
Did anyone manage to figure out who some of the other contenders were? I kinda remember the Atomic Skull, but my comics-fu failed in recognizing anyone else (other than Roulette).
Readster
Sportsmaster was defiantly the first person Ted took on at the beginning of the episode. I knew I should of reconize the other three villains, but I just couldn't place them.
Gnosis
Anybody read the issue of JSA where he gets ambushed in the HQ by the Injustice Society...and manages to beat most of them?


Yes. It's one of the reasons I love Wildcat so much. Also he managed to do it while injured if I recall.
MrX
Did anyone manage to figure out who some of the other contenders were? I kinda remember the Atomic Skull, but my comics-fu failed in recognizing anyone else (other than Roulette).


TV Tome also mentions Bloodsport, Electrocutioner, Hellgrammite (or possibly Charaxes), Tracer, and Evil Star.
Denman
I recognized Bloodsport. I think Black Canary is tied with Hawkgirls sans mask as prettiest female in the DC-Timmverse IMO. Can't wait for the Flash episode!
False Dmitri
Big logic hole ... There's a meta-human PPV fighting ring and the League isn't monitoring it? I mean, seriously, what are all those computers in the Watchtower(s) for then? I mean, sure, Flash is probably spending all of his time playing 'Unreal' ... but something like this shouldn't be going on unnoticed.


Technically, the way the matches were portrayed here with willing contestants, is it even illegal? I think they were careful to say that the matches were not to the death but only until one combatant couldn't get up again. The League would be interested in that there is a high concentration of bad guys in one place, but would otherwise find the matches unsavory perhaps but not something that must be stopped. So, Wildcat was involved in something morally wrong and against the standards of the League but not illegal per se, I guess.

In the comic books, Roulette abducts heroes and forces them to fight each other to the death against their will using some sort of mind control, which is a different thing entirely.

Roulette was voiced by Virginia Madsen, which is cool. I wonder if they had known she would undergo a major career renaissance and get an Oscar nomination this year she would have been cast in a higher profile role than what may be a one-shot villian.
Perfect Xero
Technically, the way the matches were portrayed here with willing contestants, is it even illegal?

That depends on whether or not they've got licenses for the fights or not. I find it rather doubtful, especially since the location was, apparently, a secret.

The logic hole, for me, is that Wild Cat could be part of this (and he's apparently been doing it for a while, since he's the star attraction), that it could be so easily available over the internet, and the League wouldn't know. And (as BC mentions) most of the 'big guns' would definitely have a problem with a member taking part.
False Dmitri
Ok, I agree with those plot holes, and I didn't like the characterization of Wildcat as being insecure about his age or lack of superpowers.

In the books, he is a great character because despite the lack of superpowers, he has been able to hang with the likes of the original Green Lantern and original Flash for decades and is a trainer/mentor to a huge number of heroes (and not-really-heroes -- he's particularly close to Catwoman). He is long past the need to prove anything to anyone and has everyone's respect. This story would have worked better with someone less experienced and insecure in the role of hero, like, I don't know, Atom Smasher or someone.
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