I loved this episode, seeing the classic western DC heroes and the story line, great. The ending with Warhawk saying to John: "Dad?" My mouth hit the ground just like John's, but it makes plenty of sense. I can't wait for the conclusion and see the mid 21st Century's JLU again, I love me some Big Barda.

Time travel stories are very hard to do well. In my opinion, they failed, and are about to fail even worse with part two. Unless the resolution somehow leads to all of this never happening, because I can't see how GL meeting his apparent son or present day Batman meeting his future self (I'm pretty sure they showed a group shot including both during the credits) wouldn't mess up the future timeline, especially for the Batman Beyond series. There's even a downside to that, as what would be the point of this episode? In the plus column, Terry did always say he wished he could have seen Bruce in his prime, and now he gets his chance.

From an action standpoint, the battle in the old west was really great. From a plot standpoint, it seemed like overkill that this guy would have wave after wave of watchtowers, robot cowboys, tanks, robot dinosaurs, etc.

I thought Rosenbaum was in JLU, but he was just voicing different characters, he does ancillary characters besides voicing the Flash. It just happened the first season the producers forgot about the Flash being an original member and didn't write him into any episodes.

Silly carping, but did Johah Hex have to take down the whole water tower just to drop two bad guys with a machine gun? Coz I'd say it'd take a good part of a year to rebuild something like that while the town dries up and...oh, nevermind. In the next shot it's magically rebuilt anyway.

If it were just a matter of not having voice actor time, they could have just put the flash in a couple of the group pan shots. Practially none of the characters fighting in Dark Heart, for example, had any dialogue at all. It really is just glaringly weird that one character just got vanished from the third season.

I can't believe I actually enjoyed this ep. Well, compared to most of the sub-par eps this season, this one was pretty darn good. I recognized Hex from that one appearance of his in Batman TAS (I think) so thank you for posting the link!

And I still miss the Flash. :-(

You bet. Very in character for him, based on what I remember from the comics.

The Jokerz thing is weird...first we have Bonk, who we last saw impailed, as a member. Secondly, why would Terry need the JLU to fight them? He's kicked their asses on his own before.

Thirdly The ending credits showed the Jokerz evenly matching the super-powered heroes, as well as Woof with mechanical arms, and 3 Dee-Dees in one of the scenes. Freaky.

Indeed. When it comes to using firearms, Jonah tends to be very...overzealous. lol

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Maybe Terry and the other future justice leaugers knew to be there at that moment because they knew that's where the time-traveling league members would be, since their adventure would presumably be documented history? Or maybe they were just flying by on their way to someplace else?

I am so pissed at Cartoon Network! I only saw part of this last episode on Saturday (my kid was screaming over the rest of it) and planned on recording it during the Sunday rerun.

Which doesn't exist anymore. It used to be on about noon I think. Guess I'll have to wait for the rerun to make since of Part 2.

BEST. EPISODE. EVER.

Funny, over the top, and with a good dash of DC history. Who'd ever think an episode cowboy, robots, robot dinosaurs, Static, and time travel would end up being the best episode of the season? Fluff, but of the very good kind.

Even though this episode is basically perfect, by my accounts, some things bugged. First of all, another ep with no new members? I know that the guest-stars make up for it, somewhat, but hey, we're not seeing them again. Was it that hard to include Vigilante or somebody else?

Second, it seems that, while some people still resent Shayera, she got into the League without problems.

HOW THE HELL DID THAT HAPPEN?

Shayera betrayed Earth. As far as we know, only four out of forty members of the league want her there. The government definetely doesn't want her there. The League better have one hell of a PR agent, or else all hell is going to break loose.
It should, at least, if we're dealing with this logically.

Still, excellent episode. Best in the season.

Well looking at past episodes, it seems that the league and the government dont' see eye to eye on many things, see the episode Dark Heart for example, and following that, they wouldn't ask for government or U.N. approval on members. Even though she was a traitor, she did help defeat her people and was never officially kicked out of the league, she left on her own. So whether or not the world looks down on the league for accepting her back in, thats yet to be seen, Shayera is supposed to be a big part of next season, so that might come to play next season. But only Batman and Wonder Woman hold resentment against her, if anyone else, besides Vixen for obvious reasons, hold a grudge, they don't know her well enough to.

My own thoughts anyways on the subject.

Did anyone else notice in the latest episode that the ghost that GL conjours up in the jail that it looks exactly like the ghost from the original scooby-doo cartoons.

Well, the world did largely forgive Superman for getting brainwashed and nearly conquoring the Earth. I could easily see the man-on-the-street thinking the same sort of thing about Hawkgirl

I don't think the show has made clear what the man on the street knows about Hawkgirl's role in the invasion. Some people in the US Government/Cadmus Project probably know what happened (and it's probably part of the reason why they don't completely trust the JL), but it's possible that the man on the street doesn't know the full extent of Hawkgirl's treachery before she helped the JL repel the invasion.

As for the new JL members, I figure most of them are likely to accept someone who has the support of Supes, GL, MM and the Flash. After all, it's not like anyone is going to think it's really odd that Batman is acting a bit cold toward someone or Wonder Woman is acting somewhat bitchy. If Supes and the Flash acted openly hostile toward a JL member, that would make people wonder.

Speaking of the Flash, I would have liked to have seen his reaction to Hawkgirl's reaturn. Or his reaction to anything this season.

On the other hand, Hawkgirl seemed pretty isolated from everyone, including the new members. She left the cafeteria instead of staying and eating. Whether that was totally by choice or a mixture of the others not wanting her there remains to be seen.

I figure she could sit with J'onn, the Flash, Dr. Fate or Aquaman if they were there. But I don't know which JL members eat in the cafeteria (except for the ones we saw) or how often they eat there, how much the new JL members interact/socialize with each other or with the founding members, which members (including Hawkgirl) live on the station, or several other details that might shed light on this situation.

I assumed that the Defenders-DC aren't members of the League. They certainly don't seem to be coordinating with J'onn. So I doubt HG could sit with Fate or Aquaman.

And Hawkgirl? Seriously, let Wonder Woman have the [whatever it was they both grabbed at the same time], she might be being kinda bitchy, but you did betray the whole freakin' planet.

Did you watch Starcrossed? She didn't really betray the whole planet, after she realized what the 'actual' plan of the Thangarians was, she realized that she didn't agree w/their idea and set out to sabotage her people and help out earth. Everyone but Batman and Wonder Woman have yet to see and accept that fact of what she did.

Yes, I saw Starcrossed* several times, she still betrayed the team (or, rather, was revealed to have been a spy from the start). She may have made the right choice in the end, but that doesn't change what she did.

So, yeah, IMO, Wonder Woman and Bats have every right to be angry with her. She should be the one bending over backward to make people feel comfortable around her, and to let them know that she feels badly about what she's done.

*Anyone think it odd that "Hawkman" goes out of his way to save a goat while they're building a weapon that is going to destroy the Earth?

Bats is still angry with her, but I get the sense that he's cooled off a bit. WW seems to be the only one who really can't stand her presence in any shape or form.

HG is probably going to have to deal with this the rest of her life (with good reason). Some people are going to forgive her, and other won't.

I don't remember seeing "Hawkman" going out of his way to save a goat. But that was extremely funny.

ITA the fresh maker.

Okay, I have a stupid question, but it has been bugging me since last weeks episode.

In the future scene, Static appears to be in is late forties/early fifties(judging from the grey dreds). But I remember in an episode of Static Shock in which young Static tries to save future Static with the help of Terry, future Static appeared to be in his thirties. So does this mean that both future Static and Terry are older or what? Am I missing something?

It's bugging everyone, LadySmith. Either (a) this is farther along the timeline, (b) future Virgil gave up on the Just for Men, or © the artistic team changed their minds.

I think that this is merely a result of tweaked design models. In that Static episode the old Bruce Wayne tells Static that he jumped about 40 years into the future, so he'd be in his mid-fifties. I'd say that the JLU episode occurs in approximately the same time frame. The animated shows always tend to be a bit vague when it comes to the passage of time.

In any case, hopefully all the pertinent details will be explained in the next episode. I'd like to see the rest of the future JLU show up. It's also possible that when they return to the present that the Flash will have something to say: Michael Rosenbaum voiced Ghoul (the Jokerz member with the hat and pumpkin) in ROTJ.



Technically they are members, but they have the freedom to do their own thing. The JLU seems to be pretty loose with regards to individual actions when it doesn't involve a major emergency. I'm sure that the folks with strong solo careers pre-JLU continue to operate on their own (Batman and Superman, for example, probably don't tell J'onn about all their activities).

Yeah, it did seem that way. I guess he may actually be moving on.

Well that was interesting. I'd say that was wrapped up fairly well

Seeing Terry actually killed, even if it was undone by the timeline, was pretty surprising.

So, the conclusion kind of fell apart plotwise, but I still say it was totally amazing. We get some Hal Jordan, a lot of batman beyond, and batman playing good cop/bad cop by himself. And of course the best line of all came from those 18th-century-era British soldiers with their inexplicable "It happened again!" And that scene with future Bruce mourning Terry was seriously moving, no matter how goofy the overall tone of the episode was.

But I can't help feeling like a little bit of exposition might have been cut out for time. For example, was it Chronos who killed the rest of the future justice league?

Yeah two deaths in one show. That is not normal for DC toons.

I was very happy with the whole episode. Including seeing Chronos in his classic costume. Loved the end: "You can't see the begining of time, it's a fundamental law." "Write him a ticket." Pure gold.

I really liked this. Atom, I completely agree. I was pretty surprised that they did go there.

That line completely made this episode for me, along with John turning into Hal Jordan. I also liked the older Static.

*snicker*

Well... they finally put Hal Jordan in as Green Lantern.

I liked how that was done, actually.

I dislike how in these stories the heroes must always DIE, thus proving the "point" that it's really important that the timeline is reset.

Wouldn't mind seeing Warhawk come back and visit at some future episodic date. :)

I liked Warhawk a lot. Seeing Hal Jordan was great. "Time shift. I'm up to speed." Hee.

Great followup to Weird Western Tales. At first I couldn't figure out how the Jokers got so advanced and were able to become cyborgs and replicants until I saw Chronos in his mansion.

So Bats and GL are the only ones who know except future Bruce said he couldn't recall going forward in time meeting himself (or was he lying to protect the timeline?)

Nice remedy for Lord Chronos being stuck in a timeloop.

I loved the ending. Batman and John just sitting there in the cafeteria with a shocked expression. I know it's a reset button situation, but I think it worked here.

During the end, when John is looking at Shayera while considering the whole "In a possible future we have a kid" thing she looks like she gives him a dirty look. Why? Was it just one of those, what's he looking at, I didn't do anything, things? Is she angry at him for him giving her the cold shoulder after her batrayel? Was she maybe upset that he was sitting with the two people who still are mad at her?

Eh? I thought it rather sucked. "Time is falling apart." Is apparently code for - "Lets do a completely illogical episode where random shit happens and nothing makes sense." Seriously the last half of this episode was ridiculous. So Batman traps Chronos and his wife in an infinite time-loop ... Granted, she was kind of a bitch, but does she deserve that?

Also, not enough Terry.

I like random shit. Okay, watching Terry get killed by the Dee Dees (do I say who they're related to?) was too stupid for words. And as a Kyle Rayner fan, Hal Jordan is kindasorta my Antichrist...

Batman: John! You're back!

GL: Did I go anywhere?

Terry: Yeah...you got replaced by a white guy named Hal Jordan.

GL: Hal Jordan, Hal Jordan....oh, yeah! I took the gig from him. In our chronciles, we rate him above G'Nort. But not by much.

...but the rest was one big-ass goofy extravanganza of superheroics. Oh, and they threw in the Big Bang and The Hand (anybody else got the Crisis on Infinite Earths hardcover?).

"Oh, fooey." Heh. Also: Bats as good AND bad cop! "THIS is how you interrogate somebody!" Ghoul even copped to wetting the bed afterwards. Gotta love the Bruces.

That was the one thing that pissed me off about the episode. "I just wanted you to be more assertive, not destroy the universe!" I felt real sorry for her

Men hate women who nag. Check. Men hate mother in laws. Check. Men will punish them forever because of said nagging by women. Check.

Other than that I loved the episode.

Actually, would Enid be stuck in the timeloop herself? After all, its Chronos stepping into the time portal, not her. Each time he steps through, it'd be a new "version" of her I guess, where as Enid would continue on in the normal timeline, free of him for good.

Or did Enid step through the portal too? I missed the first episode.

(Applies for a degree from the Robert Zemeckis School of Time Travel Theory and hangs his head in geeky shame...)

It would have been really funny if he had replied, "Can't I do both?"


She wasn't a major player but she was involved in it. After all, it was her encouragement for Chronos to "have bigger ideas and take over the city". Her hands are just as dirty as David's and the Jokers for the deaths of the JLU'ers.

Looks like they answered the Static question. They mentioned that this was 50 years into the future, rather than 40ish.



I just knew that they'd kill off the rest of the JL just so they wouldn't have to show everyone. Anyway, the Dee Dees mentioned killing off a Green Lantern, presumably the Asian one we saw in Batman Beyond, so he probably had the Jokerz do his bidding. Speaking of the Dee Dees, did they explain how they were able to multiply? I get that the Jokerz got enhancements (didn't they do an episode about stuff like that in Batman Beyond?), but I'm not sure what kind of technology would've allowed her to replicate, unless it was some kind of holographic technology.



If anyone here hasn't seen "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker," then they're seriously missing out.

It definitely sounded like Melissa Joan-Hart reprised her role(s), but was that indeed Michael Rosenbaum as Ghoul? Cause if it was, why didn't we get a Flash cameo??

I hate hate HATE time loops, and this one raises some serious questions. First of all, how will Green Lantern know exactly when Warhawk is, umm... conceived? I mean, should he go after Shayera now, or 5 years from now? I don't even want to get into the Batman stuff...

Great episode anyway. Sure, it was completely random, but it was still greatly enjoyable. Plus, it also reminds me how desperately I want to see Batman Beyond again.

Yeah I miss the Terry and Bruce rapport. I wish they'd make another BB movie.

Despite the silly bits, I actually enjoyed the episode. And it was awesome to see Static, but... was I the only one really jonesing to see Gear? If nothing else, I was curious to see whether he was fat in this future...

Well, maybe when the time comes Warhawk will arrive from the future to help things along. "Dad, It's time for you to woo mom." And then wacky hijinks ensue.

That's not necessary as long as Batman as around. It'll just give the two ladies' men of the League more chances to shoot the breeze. Also, since TPTB managed to avoid saying anything definitive about whether or not BB really happened, I doubt they'll ever have Hawkgirl just tell GL one day that she needs to build a nest.

Yup, they reprised their roles for this episode, and in case you didn't know, Rosenbaum has been providing background voices and such for this past season on JLU, just not the Flash for whatever reason the producers had for not including him this past season.


This follow up was meh to me, the deaths were great, although would like to have seen Warhawk go, that would have made the death toll better to me, John would have been pissed, but oh well.... I like that Batman and Bruce were able to meet up, that made the show for me, well more of the whole interrogating routine. We still don't know what Bats says to get them to talk like that, just like the Aquaman episode from season 1. But I agree, this episode was meh, wrapped everything up nicely like we all knew it would.





I caught that too, what was that about? She looke pissed as hell at him, and we all know you don't want that woman pissed at you.