Okay, it's official. After watching Recruit and seeing the trailers for Krypto and Sacred, I can no longer take any of this seriously. From now on I will watch new episodes of Smallville as if they were parody fanfic with good visuals. Hopefully this will allow me to laugh and have fun, and not have to weep from the bitterness. Wish me luck, everyone, on keeping this attitude.

Pretend you're watching America's Funniest Videos. We should ask AlMiles to add a laugh track.

Let's hope this past season HAS indeed been a dream. If so it was more of a nightmare.
In the meantime we can, in fact, pretend it is America's Funniest Home Videos and have a good laugh.

Or just do what I do... buy more vodka.

Nothing chases away the blues like a depressant.

I'm waiting for a spoiler that says Lana acts REALLY constipated, gets that damn squirrel/confused face of hers, bears down really hard, the tattoo suddenly lights up and she basically poops out the Fortress of Solitude then gets that other expression of surprise on her face and says, "Where's the sun?"

So, Mobius, basically you are waiting for the "Lana gets an anal probe?" episode. The idea was on South Park, and almiles have stolen so much from other shows/movies/fortune cookies that it could be possible. Couldn't be any worse than Sacred. Could it?

Are fans getting bitter on other threads as well, or are they just taking the shit being shovelled at them? I don't really go to other sites for the most part, so I was wondering if it is an epidemic, or not.

My friend and I have been having alot of discussions about where Smallville has gone wrong, especially this season.

One thing is the bringing in of too many characters connected with the "Superman" years. Perry White, Lois Lane and now Lucy Lane. That takes away from Clark's Metropolis years. He'll already know everyone. That screws things up to me.

I thought the show was supposed to be about Clark and Lex and how they came to be the men they became. Why is everything about Lana? I really don't get where they are going with this witch Isobel crap and what it has to do with anything. Time will tell, I guess.

Well, on lj, a lot of ljers have gone meh or downright hate what they've done to the show. Clanaphiles are growsing at Sweet and DTS about what's going on but keep latching on to damn Al's so-called promise that Clana's going to come back in S5 even though they get to see their Mary Sue be THE story for S4. Many of them keep complaining that Lana's gone from sweet to sour (though my point would be that she was always sour, she just had pink wrapping paper which fooled some of her consumers). Even they have similar complaints about continuity and stuff . . . Of course at K-site, there are also people who really do NOT care for the witch storyline.

I think the ratings say it all. Nudity is NOT a good special effect especially when poorly used. Want people back? Show us people we like or at least show the people we hate getting their ass kicked by the people they're dissing.

I notice that the tattoo/witch/"new" Lana storyline has backfired on TPTB badly.

To non-Lana-fans it's just another retcon and shoe-horned in Lana story that goes nowhere and isn't interesting.

A lot of those who liked "sweet" Lana before this season, now don't like this change in her.

HickoryLane, I went to DTS and checked a radio promo thread regarding Sacred and the replies were...well, I felt like I was in bizzaro world. I'll leave it at that. That site would be more appropriately called DTL(ana). Sacred seemed to be making them lose it in their nether regions.

Honestly, take off the names Lex Luthor and Clark Kent, and you would never guess, by watching this show, that those characters will become an evil villain and a superhero.
I can see Clark putting Red Kryptonite on his finger, and becoming the villain, while Lex is trying to prevent Metropolis to fall into his hands !

From the Jeph Loeb interview excerpt at Kryptonsite:

I wonder if that would be due to KK receiving second-billing and her non-character coming to Dominate the proceedings as the star of Lanaville. They continue to shovel Lana at us and it's piled so high now that I don't know how we'll ever get out from under. Unless a real Wonder Woman shows up to give those DOMOS a scolding and turn the writing around. ;)

Imagine if MR was number 2 (as Lex Luthor should be) in S4, and we could swap all this uber-witch Lana storytime for Lex storytime. And so they'd have to focus on effective, intelligent storytelling, instead of wanking out new ways to get Lana into her next Adventures Of Barbie scenario. Cheerleader, Businesswoman, Sorceress, Warrior Princess, Marriage Counselor, etc...

And None of it interesting Yet, because it's just Costuming for their favorite Doll. Fun for them, but not so fun to watch. (Aside from the snark value. But darnit, a show about young Clark and Lex in Smallville, like we started out with in Concept, wasn't a show I had any wish to snark upon. But Lanaville really Earns its weight in snark, and continues to surpass itself weekly.)

The early S1 Lana who dropped out of cheerleading and tried to make a go of it as a normal girl hanging out with real people could've worked out nicely. But that wasn't good enough for AlMiles. Within a couple of weeks, she went from being the worst waitress ever to owning her own coffee shop. The first idea was amusing and even kind of endearing compared to today's parasitic Lana.

What happened to the girl who seemed eager to step off the pedestal? That would've been more interesting. Even though I'm sure she would sometimes reverts to habit, because she was raised to be a princess, we could see Lana working at it. KK had a good point during the summer after S1 when she said she'd like to see a lot more of the relationship between Lana and Nell, because it was the most important in making Lana who she is, defining why she acts the way she does.

Maybe Lana could have eventually become the most Down-to-Earth girl in Clark's life instead of the Flying Tatooed Terror she is now. Among his friends, she could've been his touchstone with "normalcy," or quiet moments, contrasted with the extreme lives of Lex and Chloe (and his own Kryptonian issues) and the situations those relationships plunge him into.

Pete also had this potential but they wrote him out. Clark and Pete could hang out and play video games or shoot hoops. Now it's all weird all the time for Clark. Though at least Chloe is now in a position to give him an emotional anchor because she can share the secret as Pete did. And she'll do it a lot easier than Pete, being more immediately accepting and fearless.

Lana could've been a centerpoint for Clark in a completely different way than as the object of blind worship he bestowed upon her. She could've been a friend who was generally kind and sweet, but with her own darkside that actually got acknowledged and looked at from time to time. Flawed and understandable, not defended as perfection no matter what she does wrong.

Clark can take valuable lessons from his relationships with Chloe and Lex and time spent in their worlds. Lex's greatest battles are for Love and Acceptance and Justice in a high-stakes world of power, greed and angst. Clark can relate and learn from Lex's struggles, see how Power can be used and abused. Chloe seeks the Truth and appreciates it no matter how Weird it proves to be. (Chloe also seeks acceptance, but that's Universal. People let her down, but the Work speaks for itself and she can gain satifsaction in that. Clark certainly dwells over being accepted all the time. Oh, and Lana wishes she wasn't being "judged" as self-involved all the time. Whatever, Lana.)

I was just thinking maybe Clark's Superman/Adult Clark Kent personas could be seen as a mix of traits he's gleaned from his parents and friends. I'm not sure what influential life lessons Clark takes away from his time with Lana. Um...Being Super means never having to say you're Sorry? I guess that counts as The American Way, modern style -- packaging and hype.

Chloe -- Truth
Lex -- Justice
Lana -- The American Way

I think Superman can afford to dispense with that last one. He didn't need it as part of his mantra in 1940 and he doesn't need it now. It's just not cool anymore, but Truth and Justice will always be good ones. The American way he can leave back at the Farm with Lana and his parents and his favorite asshat. To be kinder, I guess from Lana and his parents he learns how to Not Be Them, and how to look below the Surface of things with More than X-rays.

Wordy mcWord to your whole post, Trev.

You know one of the most baffling things to me is what a huge opportunity they had on their hands and it was just ignored. With the introduction of Jor-El they had a huge chance to have Clark relate to Lex in a new way. Suddenly he understood what it was like to have a domineering father bent on ruling the world. He should have had this epiphany that he and Lex are struggling through the same things. His parents should have seen it too. Drawing that kind of connection, that kind of analogy, would have made the Clark/Lex dynamic stronger, highlighted each of their struggles, and continued the epic nature of their friendship from season 1. To this day I will never understood why they thought it was a good idea to just have their two iconic characters just drift apart, act pissy with each other, and finally go their separate ways.

I could have understood if they'd brought the Rift at the end of season 1/beginning of season 2. Clark finds out about Nixon, Lex lets Lionel die, takes over LuthorCorp, embraces that Drak side we keep hearing about, and Clark has to foil all his proto-evil plans. Their friendship was at its height in Tempest, to break them up at that point would have had some impact and given Clark both an enemy and someone he would try to reach and redeem for the next few seasons.

But this barely acquaintences crap? With Clark just asking for favors or bitching at Lex? With absolutely no understanding from Clark about their similar struggles? That's just bitter, bitter stuff.

Part 3: A Notable lack of conflict:

Superman is modern mythology. Every hero needs trials to make his story worth listening to. Every hero needs obstacles to face and overcome, whether physical or emotional trials.

With the material at hand, there were so many avenues TPTB could have opted for. Instead, from the get go, we have:
1. Our conflicted, but beign anti-hero Lex
2. Menacing but largely inactive Lionel
3. A bunch of one episode Teenage Mutant Lana Stalkers (Hmm... think I'll trademark that one)
4. Cave wall Jor-El. Which given how dense Clark is, it kind of makes sense in a way.

On a side note, am I wrong in thinking that the rock wall gave a better performance than Clark for most of seasons 2 and 3?

Our hero doesn't have a villain to fight. Lex isn't evil yet. Lionel hasn't done much lately. Cave Wall Jor-El is still a wall. And the FotWs are one note, one episode villains that aren't developed, easily defeated, and are never heard from again.

<sigh> This does not make for interesting storytelling, guys.

Emotional conflict: well, we've got the potential for some interesting plotlines.

1. Orphan angle. How does Clark feel about not knowing who he is? Where he came from? Why Jor-el seems to be acting like a superpowered jackass? What his limits are? Whether he is immortal? The complications that immortality might create in a relationship? Whether or not he'll ever be able to be a father himself?

On another side note: It seems like a good friend with a lot of money and a team of scientists at his command might be able to help answer some of these questions for Clark? I'm just saying...

2. The moral implications of his abilities. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Clark already knows he has a dark side, and he knows that he can be influenced into evil/questionable things by external forces. Isn't he ever worried about losing control? The damage he could cause? The destruction? The end of liberty and the establishment of his own monarchy?

You know what would have been a good moment for character development? If after Red, Clark took Pete aside, handed him a lead box with a meteor fragment in it and said, "You're a good friend, and I trust you. You know what I could do if this ever happens again, and I want you to promise me that you'll do what you have to do. Whatever it takes."

3. Moral dilemma: How about giving the "hero" the choice of either letting a friend die to keep his secret or saving the friend's life and revealing his secret to that friend.

That should have been how Chloe and Lionel found out.

Instead, we get Lana's fucking magic, kung-fu tattoo and the crystals of doom.
__________

Al: So, we've got the "hero"?
Miles: Check.
Al: We've got the "villain"?
Miles: Check.
Al: We have the "villain's" really evil father?
Miles: Check.
Al: We have the "hero's" alleged father sitting inside of a rock wall?
Miles: Check.
Al: We have the foundataion that knows about our "hero's" secret identity.
Miles: Check.
Al: Okay, what should we do now with all of this?
Miles: Geez, I don't know...
Al: Hey, I've got it. Lana's pretty, right?
Miles: Sure.
Al: Okay. How about we give Lana a tattoo? That'll let us have wardrobe put her in backless shirts.
Miles: Mmmm... backless shirts... glaaaaaah. You're a genius. But how does that tie into the Superman story?
Al: I don't know. Maybe it'll be a MAGIC TATTOO.
Miles: Cool!
Al: And she'll be witch and know Kung Fu, and we can do some Matrix ripoff shots. Kids love the Matrix, right?
Miles: You know it! Oh, and how about we throw some more random one-shot teenage mutant Lana stalker wannabes at Clark every week and then never mention them again?
Al: Genius! Oh... wait, that covers character conflict, but what about emotional conflict?
Miles: Uh... huh... didn't think of that... Wait! Let's give Lana a boyfriend! That'll make Clark jealous.
Writer 1: Uh... sir? We did that already. Twice. And besides, shouldn't Clark be over Lana already? I mean they did break up.
Al: What?! Blasphemer! No one gets over Lana unless they die.
Even then... hey, maybe we can get Whitney to come back as a ghost that stalks Lana.
Miles: Good idea. Write that down!
Writer 1: But, sir...
Al: Phppt. Fine. Give Clark a girlfriend. But have one of the Lana stalkerbees kill her off. That'll give us more emotional conflict.
Writer 1: Okay. So we'll do a funeral scene with Clark crying over her grave, show him visiting the cemetary periodically, and kind of use that as the impetus to spur him onto a life of selflessness and heroics? <Crosses fingers>
Al: What? Are you kidding? That'll take too much time away from the magic tattoo of destiny storyline. We'll wrap up the dead girlfriend in one or two episodes and never speak of it again.
Writer 1: But if you never talk of it again, that doesn't give us any emotional conflict.
Al: Quiet, you!

Dread: <sigh>I hate this show

In retrospect I love s1 even more now because of how crappy this show has become. I refuse to watch tonight. I couldn't believe the promo. It was just ...I don't think there are words for what I felt. When I think of all the lost oppertunities to have made this show great...I want to weep. I hope Omar is getting hazard pay for this crap. Oh I hate Lana. Because it can't be said enough.

Any one think that the Luthors were ripped away from AM's Chloe and handed over to KK's Lana so that people would like, be intrigued by, not feel like vomitting over Lana?

It is the only reason I can think of why they ended the Chluthoropolis so quickly, ridiculously, and unresolved.

I think almiles thought that if we loved Chloe with the Luthors, we would also love Lana with them as well. Didn't work. And now KK's Lana has dragged down and drowned the Luthors in shit. I felt last season there was really only one reason to watch this stomach turning mess, for AM, JG and MR, and their chemistry, and their chemistry with TW, and his self-absorbed Clark. Now, I get this tat story of no concern or interest, and I am bitter.

And still no resolution to the Chluthoropolis. WTF

I would suspect that's a very good read on the situation, hickorylane. :(

Maybe next season a new producer team with a quality vision could be brought in to oversee the monkey room. We could then pretend the majority of this season never actually happened.

I'm bitter that Sacred is the sendoff that Dr. Swann gets.

Too true Cyb, too true. But then again, when you have pissed off every guest star, and half of your regulars, this is what you get.

P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C.

I keep reading comments like that in all these boards, that the actors have pretty much given up and are mostly phoning it in. My god, I feel bad for them, esp. after how up and excited everyone was during S2.

Maybe we could send all - well, most - of them sympathy cards? 'So sad that Smallville's TTS'd; but we really appreciate you anyway and look forward to your future work'?

Remember when this used to be about the destinies of Clark and Lex? Remember when it was about Numan and Segeth? I mean, as much as I continue to hate the caves, at least they echoed the theme of "two men with an entwined destiny." But now there's some damn French Witch. A tiny, kungfu-fighting French Witch.

And the tiny, kungfu-fighting French Witch's boyfriend. And the tiny, kungfu-fighting French Witch's boyfriend's employer's father. And some kind of time-traveling "ancestor" in the form of Jane Seymour.

Why didn't the Kawatche see that coming? Did they just run out of room on the cave walls to paint this huge ensemble?

Is there a possibility the WB will cancel the show soon? Please tell me there's a very good one. Because the show sure as hell isn't going to improve any time soon so they might as well cancel it.

Plus, Rosenbaum deserves better roles in shows where he actually has substantial screentime. Actually, the whole cast deserves better roles (except KK, since the writers are slobbering all over her already and her character's getting all the screentime and pseudo-development).

The sad thing is everybody's getting roles outside SV, except the mega talented Rosenbaum. I'll never understand how Hollywood works.... :(

I pray for that everyday. Somebody, please, stop the pain.

Cyb, Dread, Trevacious Guy - your words make me cry. (esp. the Al/Miles recurrent dialogues. Oh, how I hate those bastards...)

Oh God, you're right!

There was so much awful badness and bondage on the ep last night that I really didn't register this face until today. Yes, that was a bullshit sendoff to a great actor, great guest-star and director of one of their better episodes.

Manddoo, you are right. I don't understand why Michael isn't getting the roles he deserves...*depressed*

Seriously. I'm so sick of the DOMoS introducing characters that just don't belong in "Smallville|" as it was conceived, or at least should have been. Fuck Lucy Lane. This crap is beyond saving. I feel like I'm watching a train wreck. The shark's been jumped so many times. Please, for the love of god, some almighty powerful network dick, please cancel this show so I can live w/ the good memories of Season 1.

late breaking edit...
ddread said:

Mighty McWord, sir. Makes the most and absolute sense. What a heck of a tv moment that would have been.

Bitter because Lex has/had brothers, and tiic can't even remember that. What small bits of continuity are now going to be changed. Did Chloe ever work at the DP or want tobe a reporter? Lana, Pete,anything else?

At this point anything and everything is now up to being retcon. Hell even Jerelle is now a "good guy?"

There are shows out there, Veronica Mars, where small details in every ep, and throughout the season are mentioned, shown, and highlighted. And this show can't even remember that Lex has/had siblings. And the Julian ep was like only one of the five or so better than decent eps. In a series full of crappy eps, don't try to retcon and destroy one of the few good ones.

WORD. Thanks to the crap on SV, I now want to be a Luthor Minion/Bitch and beat Superman to death with a yard-long stick of kryptonite.

I'm so bitter than I haven't been watching too many eps lately. Last night's ep, I got so bored 15 minutes in that I decided that reading Clex porn was a much better way to spend my time.




Now I'm really bitter.

Why can't AlMiles be like this? Why?!

I haven't watched most of the eps this season because I am filled with deep bitterness about the utter crap (and not craptastic!) this show has become. I LIVED for my Tuesday (remember it used to be on Tuesday?) nights back a few years ago. I would answer my phone with "WHO WOULD DARE CALL?" during the 9-10 hour. I loved, loved this show. And they're RUINING it!

I hate Clark's character so fucking much now. ASSHAT. Lex is an ATM or a 2-minutes foil for that fucking pink peep. Chloe is being Pete-ed out of existence. And don't even get my started on Lois. HATE. *glares*

It's all the what-might-have-been's. You guys on this thread express it exactly. There were so many fascinating and wonderful ways these characters could have been developed, and they've made EVERY SINGLE WRONG CHOICE. It's almost like there's a dark evil force exerting its inexorable power of suckage on the series.

Thank god you all feel the way I do. I would think I was going crazy if it wasn't for you. *throws self on fainting couch, exhausted, back of hand to forehead*

Just cancel that freakin' show already!

I can tell how BAD these last shows have been. Just to be able to easily jump to the Jason/Lex parts and Clark freeing Lex that people keep mentioning on the boards, I tried to see if anyone had recorded it and did a video capture, as usual, by now Recruit, Krypto and Sacrilige should've been available for KaZaa download...................not ...........one......rip.... in any video format.

My SO has brought me issues of Smallville Magazine, and this magazine just pisses me off to no end. The Lana worship just makes me want to puke. There's a letters section in which all the 13yos write in and praise the show and babble about how it's getting better and better (bulls***!).

My advice: avoid this magazine. It'll only raise your blood pressure to dangerous levels. The only good thing about it are the pictures. I clipped a very nice pic of MR, and am using the KK pic from one of the later issues as a dartboard.

Or target practice for my BB gun.

I'm bitter because we get a whole episode of Lois' sister Lucy, and yet still nothing about what's going on with Gabe. Or much about Chloe's mom. (Anyone else think that she'll never even be mentioned again unless/until Chloe loses her mind suddenly?) And what about Clark's parents? They show up once in a while but Lucy got more screentime than they have, over the course of the season.

And it's not just the Lanes that make me bitter. We know more about Jason's interactions with his mother than we do about Lex and his father. That's just not right. They've devoted more time to new/guest characters' family issues while all but ignoring those of the regulars. Even as much as Lana's been the focus of the season, Nell and Henry seem not to exist anymore.

Oh, I think TPTB forgot about that storyline, like, two seconds after it was written and directed. To me, it's beginning to seem like TPTB just wanted to have one more neat scene about secrets. There was neither build-up nor follow-up to Chloe's revelation, even though Lois specifically asks Chloe in a later episode if she's the one with the secret - what, did Chloe tell her about her mother earlier on, and if so, why couldn't we see it?

The way they're letting the story dangle is just low. And not fair to the character, the actress, the show and the viewers who are invested in the character. Yeah, I have a bitter taste in my mouth. Somebody should tip off AlMiles to the fact that Lois, Lucy, Jason and Mama Teague are not, in fact, regular characters, and therefore should be treated accordingly.

Should Smallville be renewed for S5, I'd be very interested in knowing if AlMiles plan to attend the Comic Con in San Diego again this year. If they do, I really think the people who manage to get into the panel need to rake them over the coals for the crapfest that is S4. Let's see. So far we've got: Clark's continued asshat behavior and refusal to account for said behavior, the lack of any court room scenes when Lionel was on trial, no follow-up with Chloe/Lex, no Chlex at all this season - even when Lionel was released from jail, Lex having a sexlife means he's evil, no journey to Lex's evilness - just a lightswitch, Chloe's hereditary insanity issue, Gabe's unemployment, the shoehorning of Lois Lane into SV, Lana's witchy/tattoo storyline (and all the contradictions about her ancestor, Isobel) , Pete's absence, Jor-El and the caves, the whole 3 stones storyline which is taking forever, the killing of Alicia and Clark's seemingly forgetting about her existence by the following week - well, you get the idea. I'd love to see them try and defend their position that these were all good plot points or will they simply throw a hissy fit and claim they were forced into doing this by the WB Network?

I'm bitter because the biggest problem I've had with season 4 is that the story of a hero and villian have taken a back seat to a witch. Do they think that Clark Kent and Lex Luthor aren't complex enough characters to carry a season, funny considering that the best episodes this show has done has focused on them and that's why I watch the show. I was never really been that bitter about this show until the race between Clark and Lex for the 3 stones, became all about Lana and her magical tattoo.

I would love to hear 1 honest answer from AlMiles as to why this has happened.

AlMiles, WB, and all the TPTB want to milk this show for all its worth. If this series had followed a logical progression, IMO it naturally would be coming to an end about now (or perhaps at most, one more season). Four seasons is long enough to tell the story of the inevitable falling out between Clark and Lex, which I presume is one of the premise of this series.

At the beginning of the series, wasn't Clark suppose to be naive and innocent? After almost four seasons of experiencing what he has experienced, wouldn't it make sense for Clark to be somewhat more jaded and to come to some realization of Lex's true nature? And for Lex to realize that Clark isn't what he seems to be? It seems to me that things should be coming to a head about now, which would mean, I suppose, a conclusion to the series.

I assume the producers largely avoided the Clark/Lex hero/villian storyline this season is so that it can continue to be told next season or the season after that or after that. They don't want the series to end any time soon, so they make up many irrelevant storylines to prolong the series.

So in the meantime we the audience either endure the witch storyline till Al/Miles decides to actually focus the show on Clark/Lex (and just anybody elsle for that matter) or quit watching the show. We get the irrelevent storyline in the show formly known as Smallville so the writers/producers can have the show for a little longer.

I know that the rule in indepent films is no one is allowed to cry, but are we allowed to cry in the bitterness thread?

Just asking?

Cause I have been a "Supes" fan since the mid 70's when I was a kid and watched the G Reeves stuff on TV, lived throug Supes three and four, and L and C. But I have never been this sad, this angry, this disprited by Superman, not the comics, not any incarnation ever, as I am by this.

Thirty years, and this mess makes me want to f'n cry. Why or why. Annie Lennox dear, sing it for me, would you?

I think at this point your allowed to cry and understandably so. It's amazing how we get from Point A (Young Clark and Smallville) to Point B (Older Clark Kent of Superman). So please have a good cry.

[/QUOTE]Millar: "If you look at the Clark/Lana relationship, it's actually extremely destructive for Lana. Going out with Clark, it's really pretty horrible for her, falling in love with someone who can't tell you the truth and you know that they're hiding something from you. There's a lot of angst for Lana that is pretty damaging. Why does she take it from him? You look at the reality of it - his lies, constantly changing personalities....
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**coughBULLS---** I got this from "SV in the media" thread.

I am so very bitter! I know some people will agree with the above but I can't take him seriously. I know some high school relationships can be destructive yet I would not use those words to describe the "relationship" between Lana and Clark. They are too strong of words for the melodrama they went through. What's destructive is the fans having to watch Lana bitch and moan about her Clark doesn't tell her what he eats for breakfast every morning, what color is his underwear. WTFE! The whole time they were "together" I was annoyed at her for being such a barnacle on his butt. This is how one of those conversations should have went:

Lana: Be honest with me Clark.
Clark: You want me to be honest?
Lana: More than anything.
Clark: I honestly want to kick your teeth in.

I don't advocate violence but she is so annoying.

What annoys me about that quote is that it puts more focus on Lana then on Clark. More pity her, like her, she has it rough bull. Aren't we supposed to be seeing Clark's journey( Lex's too) and the things that effect him? Not make him Lana's action semi-bf/stalker and an ass. So shouldn't they be more concerned how the "relationship"( two days of it all) affects him? How her constant bitching pervents him from opening up and makes him all the more guilty and alienated( pun intended). How he should be the hell over her. But it is Lanaville after all and MG are idiots.

They have some kind of weird protective thing about Lana/KK that comes off really patronizing and wrong to me. Poor widdle Lana, so victimized by Clark. They seem to love her being a victim because they can rush in and defend her. I mean, I agree that her "relationship" with Clark is damaging, but hey, maybe it's because she's a damaged person. Maybe it's because she's needy and codependent and manipulative. Maybe it's not because she was standing around minding her own business and Clark started victimizing her, as they seem to think. They won't let her own any of her choices. She's just the poor, passive little victim, woe is Lana.

The fact that she's allowed this to cause her such distress is just proof that she's mental, IMO. When I was her age I got f*cked over by lots of people. You get over it and move on. In fact, the best way to get over one person is to sleep with another. If I were her I'd be out screwing everything that moved, not crying tears of self-pity.

Imagine what Lana would be like as a mother. If she can't stand secrets and lies, she'd better not plan on raising a teenager.

That's exactly it. She is a damaged person and we are supposed to feel sorry for her. Well, I think most of us did in the beginning. After it while, it got old because she never did anything to repair herself. I know there has got to be a therapist in SV. A guidance counselor perhaps.



Another opportunity MG has squandered to make Clark mature.



If she was my mother, I would smother her in her sleep.

Lana to her kids: You can't go to school today. I need you at home. Don't abandon me like your grandparents, Nell, Whitney, Clark......

That is my number two problem with Lana's character overall, the first being her complete lack of gumption and her annoying ability to passive-aggressify