I was looking through "On the Shores of Silver Lake" and one of my favorite lines just sums up Laura. They are living in the railroad camp and Pa warns the girls that they must never go around the railroad men because they are rough, uncivilized men who use rough language. Mary and Carrie, of course, don't want anything to do with rough men, but Laura thinks that she would like to hear rough language, just once.

I think that is the essence of Laura, a good girl, but adventurous and MG portrayed that perfectly.

Why oh why did they give Laura those dopey looking braids that started right over her ears? She didn't used to wear them like that when she was younger.

I also don't think the real Laura wore braids every single day of her life right up until she became a teacher like TV Laura did. Didn't girls start wearing longer dresses and putting their hair up when they were fourteen or so in those days?

While we're talking about prairie hair, what about the 70s-style long hair on Pa, Albert, and Almanzo? I don't claim to know much about historic prairie hairstyles, but it always seemed unlikely to me that those were authentic.

Etaoin Shrdlu, in either the Long Winter or By the Shores, LIW mentions her hatred of corsets, but if a girl wanted to wear long dresses and wear her hair up, then she had to contend with it. Even to the point of saying that Mary and Ma didn't mind theirs and slept in them, but Laura took hers off every chance she could. Which was one of the reasons why she liked helping Pa in the fields with the hay, and I believe she talks about her first sighting of "the Wilder brothers" as being one of those corsetless times.

The TV show was so loosely based on the books, that I often imagined LIW turning in her grave - especially when the mime raped Sylvia and when Zaldamo sported that 1970's style surfer hair do. But that didn't stop me from watching every single episode to the point where I knew which one it was by the time the opening credits were finished.

I'm truly in awe of the people here who read the books. My mom bought them for my sister and I one Christmas when we were little and we were so horrified that they were nothing like the tv show that we stopped reading them after the first one. Then my sister bought a book from the Scholastic Book Club that had all these pictures of Laura & Almonzo and we were disturbed that she was not as pretty as Melissa Gilbert and he looked nothing like the TV Almonzo (whom we actually thought was cute).

I mean hell, there was barely a Nelly, absolutely no Nancy, no Jenny Wilder, no mime rape, no fat circus woman, no wild boy, no blind school, Mary didn't have a hot husband, they rarely mentioned mass death . . . just nothing of interest in those books for my young, dark, perverted little mind.

I decided that the TV reality was better than the real reality of Laura. You other kids reading the books--you were smart kids, weren't you?

I'm old enough so that is wasn't a choice between the books and the TV show! I read all of the LH books when I was in 3rd grade, which was around 1970, 1971.. so no TV show yet. I never liked how far away they wandered from the books and didn't watch it much when it was new.

Those braids always made my ears itch. I would've hated having all that hair over my ears. But at least MG had hair thick enough to look good in braids, unlike some people. Yeah, I'm talking about you Jenny. Although Shannen's hair does look much thicker nowadays. Wonder what's up with that? As someone who's had to deal with extremely thick, coarse hair my entire life, I'm always interested in others with thick hair. Weird obsession, I know.

crazy_girl your post made me crack up! I was an avid reader as a kid and my mom bought me several of the LH books, but I could never get into them for that exact reason. I was too in love with the LH world the show created. I actually read them as an adult and they are really interesting. I've learned now to separate the two, there is just so little to compare. I still do at times, though, as is obvious from many of my posts here. I bought my daughter the set from Scholastic for Christmas. I'm hoping she can enjoy them in her childhood since she has much less exposure to the show than I did. I seriously watched every day and even refused to give it up for Lent one year. How warped is that--watching a mostly Christian-themed show and being so un-Christian. Oh well, guess I turned out okay, mime-rape viewing and all.

I read all the Little House books several times by junior high and I'm fanatical about the series on television. I think it would've been hard to film a show based 100% on the books because the Ingalls moved so much over the years in real life. I loved the books (Little Town on the Prarire and the Long Winter especially). They were so interesting and I felt I learned a lot about life back in 1870s and 1880s. I know the television show deviated a great deal from the books, but I still loved the show regardless. It was a little weird to read the books and see pictures of the Ingalls' in real life and on the show everyone looked very different.

One thing I always found interesting was Carrie and Grace. In real life, Carrie was only 3 years younger than Laura, but the Greenbush twins were much younger than Mel Gilbert. At least 5 or 6 years. Laura got married at 17-18. That would've made Carrie 14-15. The Greenbush twins were not that old. The real Grace was 10 years younger than Laura and Grace on the show wasn't born till Laura was 14 or so. Just creative license I guess.

Hey. I just learned the other day that I have the Hallmark Channel as part of my cable package!
Go me!!!

I loved the books when I was younger and I owned all of them. Most of the setting of the tv Little House actually occured during On the Banks of Plum Creek. That is the book where the Ingalls moved to Walnut Grove and Laura met Nellie Olson. In the books Pa always wanted to be travelling and Ma wanted to stay put.

But CrazyGirl, the books are so good! You are missing out :-)

The series and books are very different, so I can see why it seems strange to see the series as a kid, and then read part of the books and have it be all different.

I have actually read the books several times in adulthood. I still love to read them...especially the later ones.

This is either way off topic or a really hard trivia question....but does anyone remember the episode of WKRP In Cinncinatti where Herb's wife was telling some TV Reporter that they only watched LHOTP, and what reason did she give?

That episode of WKRP is a classic!! IIRC, she was telling the reporter that it was good family fare, and that every week there was a fire or someone went blind. Hee!

I absolutely LOVED the books. In fact, all this talk about LHoP lately has made me want to read them again. I loved the chapters in the books about their Christmas celebrations, and how the girls would get like a tin cup and a penny and be flipping out with joy. I also loved Pa's stories and when Laura would describe how Ma/Pa would set up their homes all cute with their meager possessions. Plus, I just loved how tough Laura was.


The Long Winter was also one of my favorites. The desperation!

I just checked when the series started – 1974. It's funny because, as I watch these episodes from the first season on DVD, I don't remember a lot of them. I remember reading the books before watching most of the series, but since I was only 4 when the series started, I must've watched earlier episodes later on as repeats or in syndication.

I started watching the series because I'd read the books, but like everyone else, soon learned that the show was nothing like the books, and grew to love it for completely different reasons.

To the poster who commented on the real LIW to MG - I agree, I remember seeing photos when I was about 12 and being horrified at the haggard, masculine looks rather than the sweet prettiness of the actors on television. That goes for all the characters, not just Laura. In addition, I was surprised at how fat Mary, Grace, and Ma were (or had become) when the earlier books had said that Pa could span Ma's waist with his hands when they were married.

Re: Laura and Pa's relationship - I always thought it was very clear that they had an acute closeness, and a special relationship because he had always wanted a son and Laura was a tomboy to Mary's ladylike character.

I also loved the books and their Christmas celebrations. In one of the books, the girls make maple candy by drizzling maple syrup over snow, allowing it to harden. I tried that with snow and Log Cabin Lite syrup, but it never hardened!

I didn't read Farmer Boy for many years, thinking that the story of Zaldamo, a boy, would be boring. Then, having run out of other LHotP books to read, I tackled it and loved it. The writing is so vivid.

I'm sure I saw photos of the real Ingalls/Wilders, but I can't remember them--I remember the illustrations on the books much more clearly. I'm actually glad I can't remember the photos. I know that seeing photos of the real VonTrapps has ruined The Sound of Music for me! (Maria was fat!)

If any of you are interested in more reading of LIW work, check out "West from Home". It is a collection of letters she wrote to Almanzo while on a trip to visit Rose in San Fransisco during the World's Fair of 1916. She was so talented at the art of letter writing; it's easy to imagine everything she describes.

My mother bought us all the books but gave them to us all out of order. I went from "Little house in the big woods" (loved, loved, loved the story of Mary and Laura playing with Pa as a wolf and Laura smacked him and scrambled over the wood bin) to "the long winter". There might have been 2 that were missing, for sure "farmer boy". I was easily able to separate the show from the books. I always wanted to go back in time and be Laura's best friend. I just knew I could take modern technology back with me and she'd catch on quick. I just got the hallmark channel and I hope to see a few episodes. You guys are making me want to get the dvd's but that's too expensive.

Hee! Maybe it needs to be done with real maple syrup, or something. That's so funny that you tried it because I always wanted to, but we never had much snow to experiment with in Seattle.

I just loved how innovative they were since they had so little.

I always wanted to try that. I asked my mom several times if we could try it, but she claimed that she didn't know if it was pure maple syrup they used or a mixture with something else, so it might not turn out right. Really, I just don't think she wanted me making a big old sticky mess in the kitchen. Wonder why.

Hee, I just devoured this whole thread, spurned by the repeated mention of the "Mime Rapist" ep in the TV Potluck thread. This really is the best.thread.title. ever.

Hee Crazy Girl, we were the smart kids. I devoured all of the books in order in 3rd grade and re-read them frequently until I um...discovered VC Andrews in 7th grade. Yikes. Thank god that ended. Those books were much much more disturbing than the mime who raped Sylvia. I even loved "Farmer Boy", {Funny sidebar, in junior high I read this series of 3 books that began with one called "The President's Daughter". In the 3rd book Meg, the President's Daughter gets kidnapped, and when she escapes she is in these woods. And she keeps trying to think of nature-y tricks to help find her way, and she laments that reading all of the Little House books didn't help, because all she can remember is "Farmer Boy" and all of the insanely big meals the Wilder family ate -- end funny sidebar}

Had to chime in on the differences between RL Pa and the show. I always thought RL Pa resembled the shows Mr. Edwards more. Also, I found the movie "Beyond the Prairie" to be a lot more telling about certain aspects of LIW's real life. That Pa's wanderlust was why they moved so much, and that Ma eventually put her foot down while the girls were still young about moving further and further from civilization. Also, the Almanzo/Laura relationship developed much differently than in the books. I always remember that when he asked her how she'd like an engagement ring, Laura said it would depend on who offered it, and when Almanzo asked how what she'd think of him giving her one, she replied "It would depend on the ring".

OK fave eps --
Nellie and Percival. Loved him. How sad that the actor dies of AIDS (or so I read upthread), but cool that Alison Arngrin (sp?) honors his memory.

The circus fat lady is Nels' sister.

When Nellie comes back older, meets Nancy and realizes that as horrid as she used to be Nancy was worse. And also that she and Laura are so genuinely happy to see each other. Post-Percival Nellie rocked. Also, I loved how sweet Willie turned out to be.

When the women are too busy working and the men have to cook for their families (horror). There's a funny shot of all of the kids taking handfuls of like, stewed tomatoes out of their pockets. I kept thinking, why would they put that in their pockets? When do they get to wash their clothes? Then the men simply put the women's restaurant out of business to prove a point or something. Hee funny, funny sexism.

The Fool's Gold ep fantasy sequence!

Nellie and Laura's mudfight! Was this the ep where Almanzo takes Laura to his house to clean up and Charles comes in and punches him out? I loved that!

OK, enough now. But this thread rules.

*gasp*
In real life or on the show? I don't remember.

A local independent channel in the Dallas/Fort Worth area runs LHOP episodes on a daily basis. I've been off work since Christmas and have been OD'ing on watching the show on both the Hallmark Channel and this channel. I can't remember which channel had this episode on the other day; the fat lady in the circus was Nels' sister, not the actor's sister. Nels was ashamed and didn't want to acknowledge her presence. It was actually a fairly touching episode and seemed very out of character for Nels to be somewhat cruel.

Which reminds me, why the heck did he stay with Harriet? What a shrew that woman was.

I always wanted to eat dinner at Almanzo’s (Farmer Boy) house! Everything sounded so good. His mother must have been cooking 24-7 though.



I got the boxed set one year for Christmas and read them many times over as a kid. I remember the whole thing about the corset and thought how much it must have sucked to have to wear one in the first place, much less try to sleep in it. They thought it helped you keep your figure or something. I guess you can’t eat too much if your insides are being squeezed. It was pretty obvious that no one on the show was wearing a corset though. I think all the women over 14 should have been squashed into corsets, and all the male actors forced to get bad home-done haircuts and unattractive facial hair.

I remember being vaguely disappointed by pictures of the real family too. Pa looked like a member of ZZ Top, Ma was fat and kind of severe-looking, and Mary wasn’t all that pretty, like Laura made her out to be. I thought Laura was cute though.

Do you think Laura and Almanzo didn’t have any other kids (after the baby that died) because of his partial paralysis?

Wow. That is totally none of my business.

Still – it’s too bad there weren’t a bunch of little Wilders, and that the immediate family died with Rose.

I always wanted to try the syrup-in-the-snow trick, too, but I did NOT want to play with a pig's bladder blown up and tied with string, balloon-fashion. Does anyone else remember this? Pa slaughtered a hog to prepare for the winter ahead, and he took the bladder and made it into a balloon for Mary and Laura to play with. IIRC, there's even an accompanying illustration showing the girls merrily playing with it. Talk about taking lemons and making lemonade...

Also, on the topic of the actual show:



Didn't she say a couple of times that SHE owned the store? I always thought maybe it had been her family's business and Nels married into it.

Bwah! I remember the pig bladder balloon! (I also remember thinking "yuck").

The roasted pigs tail on a stick sounded tasty, but you can keep the head cheese!

Remember the Sugaring-Off Dance? Kinda sucks that Pa made them all move away from their extended family like that. (Didn't he say that the Big Woods were getting too crowded or something?)

I think we were supposed to believe that deep down, he loved her. Wasn't there an episode where the Olesons separated and the Ingallses got them back together by cleverly using reverse psychology? Or am I confusing them with Ike and Corabeth Godsey on The Waltons? Actually, I think that the Stephenses did that for the Kravitzes on Bewitched too. But the Kravitzes didn't own a general store so it's not the same thing.

It's interesting to watch Harriet evolve from being merely persnickety at the beginning of the series to a full-on cartoon character by the end. And then she also was painted as a racist and anti-Semite so we could laugh at her ignorance. Sort of like Archie Bunker on the Prairie.

Carrie's older years weren't too kind, either. I saw a photo of her in either her late teens or early 20s and she looked like the evil one-browed baby on the Simpsons.

The pig bladder ball isn't as gross as it sounds. My teacher brought one into class when I was a kid and it was just a misshapen rubber ball. Once it's dried out, it's perfectly usable. After all, original footballs were pigskin, and where do you think leather comes from?

Nels and Harriet separated several times. There was the ep where he became a travelling salesman to have some control over his own business ideas and to get away from Harriet. He met a lovely Irish lass in a neighbouring town and even kissed her, which Charles witnessed. But he returned to Harriet because he loved her.

They also split in a later ep when a feminist speaker came to town and made the women realize that they were considered property of their husbands, legally. Since the business was Harriet's, it really peeved her that legally it was Nels' just because they were married. So all the women staged a protest. I think that was the same ep mentioned above where the men had to fend for themselves with all the cooking and cleaning.

As for fantasizing about how fun it would have been to have Laura's life (minus the outdoor plumbing), I hope you're kidding. It was brutal and difficult and while the books have romanticized some of it, and they certainly did have good times, it was not a fun life. Everyone worked hard, children too. The women had to rise first in a cold house to start the fire and begin baking bread so there would be some for breakfast. They had to haul water from well, go to the barn and gather eggs and go to the cold storage for a slab of bacon. This was just for one meal. It repeats two more times, each day. Then there was the knitting of socks and mittens, sewing of clothes, gardening, laundry was endless, and barn and fieldwork in between as needed. All this was done half the time while pregnant and/or with a small child or two (or five) running around. Modern life has its drawbacks to be sure, and there is something to be said for a simpler, family-oriented way of life, but there were also many hardships.

Anyway, off the soapbox. I always wondered why they showed the roof of the house from the inside with holes in it. I mean, contrivance aside, even the youngest of viewers would understand that rain would fall through all those holes.

That's luxury compared to how it was when I was a kid. There were 150 of us living in a shoebox and we had to walk to school every day in our bloody bare feet and it was uphill both ways. We worked 20 hours a day shucking peas and at the end of the week we got a quarter if we didn't complain. And we were glad to get it. That's just the way it was and we liked it that way.

It has to be real maple syrup. We used to make it when we were kids and it was fun.

People never looked good in those old pictures. They used to clamp your head into a stand and you had to sit perfectly still and not move for up to an hour. I have some scary photos of old relatives that are daguerotypes and they all look that bad.

I think Laura is the best looking one in the family. After years of reading about Mary being so beautiful, I was disappointed with her. Although, I do remember reading somewhere that she'd had a few illnesses as an adult and they left parts of her face distorted. Oh, and the picture of Carrie, Laura, and Mary (the one where Laura is tightly clenching her fist) taken shortly after the Long Winter, Mary's hair is dark like Laura's. It's always been said she had "golden" hair that Laura envied.

I worship these books. I've read them approximately 26 million times. Like some of you, I sometimes wished I could go back and live in those times. (I remember thinking the birthday party with all the cool kids in Little Town on the Prairie sounded fun and gosh I wish I could be friends with that Cap Garland!) But then five minutes later, I'd snap back in to reality and realize you couldn't pay me to live in those times. Can't vote, have very little rights, all that manual labor, be expected to have babies and that's it, etc. Meh.

As I got older, I delved more into Laura's real life, read a few biographies, and was interested to learn a few things. Sorry if this has already been talked about here (I'm too lazay to scroll back) but I was interested to learn that:
--Laura had her eye on Ben Woodworth originally. She also found Cap Garland pretty intriguing. Almanzo later grew on her.

--The character of Nellie was actually a culmination of three different mean girls that Laura came across. I'll have to find the particular book I read that in (it actually named the other girls), but apparently, as she sat down to write the Little House books, she decided it would be better for the stories if she stuck to one villainess.

--Laura was apparently quite a dish in the town of De Smet. In addition to Almanzo liking her, there was a young lawyer in town who had his eye on her, too. He was too chicken to ask her out directly, so he tried doing it through Pa and it didn't work.

--Almanzo had two other siblings besides those mentioned in Farmer Boy. There was Laura, the oldest and Perley Day, the youngest child. Apparently, Laura Wilder worked as a seamstress right along with Laura Ingalls in De Smet. In order to avoid the confusion of having two Lauras in the family, Almanzo nicknamed Laura Ingalls "Bess", which was a variance on her middle name, Elizabeth. That escalated into Bessie and "Mama Bess" as her own daughter Rose use to call her in the later Little House books.

--in interviews and verbal conversations, Laura called her parents "Mother" and "Father", but when writing, she referred to them as "Ma" and "Pa".

Well, they did keep the detail of Almanzo calling her Bess in the tv show. Topic! Sneaky! Or did he call her Beth on the show? And, I don't remember what reason TV!Almanzo gave for the nickname.

I believe in one episode he did leave Harriet and if memory serves me correct the townspeople were like "its about time".

TV Alamanzo called Laura, Beth, from her middle name Elizabeth. This arose after she called him Manly (she was smitten/nervous/tongue-tied and had trouble with Almanzo. And, I think she was thinking he is manly.). In order to make her feel better for this slip, he wanted a special nickname for her, just for themselves, hence Beth.

And I believe in real life, Almanzo told her that his nickname was "Mannie". (in fact, Royal called him that once in Farmer Boy: "Mannie, you're going to get an awful whipping!") Apparently, Laura misheard him and thought he said "Manly" and it stuck.

That just wasn't done back then, was it?

As semi-staged as it was, 1800 House and the sequel in rural Montanna provided a fascinating insight into life in those times. Tres sucky.

I'm not sure I'd do that today; who knows what that snow picks up from the air?

On topic? Is there anything new about the remake of LHotP?

For the TV nicknames, they happened when Eliza Jane first introduces Laura and Almanzo when he's picking her up from school. She tells Laura that she calls her brother Manny. Laura, with stars in her eyes, thinks she said Manly and it sticks. He asks Laura what her nickname is and she says her Pa calls her Half-Pint but she doesn't like it because it's a name for little girls. He say okay then, I'll call you a woman's name. He asks her middle name and shortens it to Beth.

I agree with OHNicki that the family may not have been as bad as it looked. I haven't seen many people who look "beautiful" in those old pictures.

I always thought Jonathan Gilbert aka Willie Oleson was cute, especially in the last few seasons.

Ranking the Little House Series Books
1. The Long Winter-survival themes, can't imagine having to deal with that.
2. Little Town on the Prairie-Laura growing up, just a good story
3. These Happy Golden Days-Loved reading about Laura's teaching jobs, especially the first one with the Brewsters.
4.-Plum Creek-Walnut Grove in the house. Loved the house in the side of the hill.
5. Little House in the Big Woods-Laura as a little kid, life was so simple then.
6. Silver Lake-All the moving around
7. On the Way Home-liked following the caravan to Missouri
8. Little House on the Prairie-Never warmed up to this one.
9. The First Four Years-Just found it kind of meh.
10. Farmer Boy-Kinda throw in there for Zaldamo. Word on the Wilder's meals. Holy crap. I just liked reading about the Ingalls more.

Just wondered: does anyone know why Michael Landon set LHOTP in Walnut Grove, as opposed to De Smet or one of the many other places the Ingalls lived?

Because they were, early on, trying to keep to the incidents in the books. There's a number of episodes that bring up incidents from "on the banks of plum creek" in the first season. That book was set in Walnut grove. As things got more and more far afield from the books, I imagine it seemed pointless to travel to desmet.

I also think logistically it would've been difficult to keep changing sets for the show each time they were supposed to have moved. Also, the audience didn't respond as well when the Ingalls did move those few times on the show. "Gold Country" has never been a popular episode. I've also heard fans complain about the Winoka episodes, although I thought they were a nice change. I'm one of the few who enjoyed Albert, though, so I'm weird.

This morning when I was braiding my daughter's hair I was thinking to the post a few pages back about how Laura wore her braids longer on the show than in the books. I was thinking that was probably because she would've looked pretty silly (on the show) going to school in a bun. To me, that bun really signified Laura growing up on the show, and if they would've done it any sooner it would have been strange. She did wear her hair down a lot more those last 2 seasons before Sweet Sixteen. Thanks goodness they didn't make her wear those silly flipped braids with the blue bows for church anymore. I must admit that I wore my hair like that a few times, though! And now my daughter wants her hair like that too because one of the American Girls has braids flipped up, too. Yikes, history repeats itself!



Hmm, I was always more of an Albert girl myself. I could never get past Willie's bratty ways. Plus, have you seen any recent pics of Matthew? He is HOT! To be fair, I haven't seen Jonathan in a long time, so he could be, too.

Speaking of Laura's braids - I totally coveted Nellie's giant bows.

Thanks to a surprise after-Christmas bonus, I was able to get LHotP Season 1 dvd. Yay! I haven't seen the show in years, and I'm savoring each episode, watching one each night. I just finished "The Love of Johnny Johnson." As someone upthread said, the dvd extras really suck. So much potential but nothing done about it. I could get more info at imdb. Sheesh!



Word! But I'm craving new LHotP and curious about a "new take" on the LIW story. I think what Ed Friendly said about LHotP being Michael Landon's vision was very telling, so I'm interested to see how EF thinks LIW would really want the show to be. I cannot wait for the mini and, possibly, a new series.



This is so how I think! Hi-larious!



When I saw her, all I could say was, "Oh, Half Pint, no! WHYYYY?" But I'm proud of MG. She's done well for herself, SAG prez and all.



Hollywood Hair on the Prairie? It's so funny looking back on Pa's perfectly coiffed big 70s hair!



After trying Laverne's milk and Pepsi, I swore I'd never try another TV show food thing again!



Ah, good times, and the shows that sparked my renewed interest in LHotP.

Thanks, meldogg1978, for the LHotP book list. Is this list complete? I only read parts of one book when I was younger, but now I'd like to read the complete set.

We tried it once with Log Cabin syrup when we were kids, and shockingly it didn't work. But we tried it again with real maple syrup, and it still didn't work. I'm guessing maybe we didn't let it heat up enough... Any advice, OhNicki? :) "Playing" LHOP or "olden days" was the favorite game of my sister and I growing up. There were Cabbage Patch dolls involved and everything. Even though we'd read the books, our play was more like the tv show (see? topic!).

Pst! Liquidsunshine, the only thing that the mods hate more than people posting without reading a thread is when they admit to doing it...

Quag I believe that is the full list. Laura did write a diary later on about going to the World's Fair-which I have not read. I would highly recommend reading the entire series.

formergr I used to play LHOP as a kid myself. Had old clothes and bonnets and everything.

In Fort Worth, Texas (where I grew up) it seldom, if ever, snows. So we tried scraping the frost from the freezer (this was pre-frost free freezer days) and pouring Aunt Jemima's (or was it Mrs. Butterworth....I always got those two ladies mixed up) on it. Didn't work.

As for Laura's hair/braids, it always annoyed me that she was forced to wear the braids while Mary and even Carrie (until later years) got to wear their hair down. Back in the late 70s, early 80s longish hair was quite popular among young women and I always thought MG had the most beautiful hair. (Actually, she still does). It doubly annoyed me when she seemingly went from the braids straight into that horrible bun.

Since I was the one who originally raised the point about the Oleson's marriage, I would like to clarify my position. I always knew why they had the Olesons stay together (plot conveniences), I just remember how peeved I was that Victor French's character divorced later on in the series. That marriage seemed much more sound (if he'd ever ditched some of his randy ways).

One of the episodes I saw during the last couple of weeks (during my LHOP couch potato marathon) had Adam winning the Louis Braille award. Since he and Mary didn't have the money to travel to St. Paul to receive the award, Albert and Laura gave over their earnings from the honey they'd harvested. (It was something like 50 or 60 bucks). Adam and Mary are taking the stagecoach to catch the train when the stage coach loses a wheel and a horrible accident occurs. The driver is killed, Adam's legs are crushed underneath the coach, another passenger goes into labor (played by Michael Landon's real life daughter, Leslie) and Mary is left on her own to try and find help. Well, of course it all works out (thanks the fire that happens to start from the eyeglasses Mary drops on the grass which creates a fire signal to flag down Pa and Mr. Garvey). And the next thing we know, after suffering through the whole ordeal, everyone is going to be A-OK!

Never mind the "oops...we need to wrap this story up" neat and tidy ending. Nobody said a word about getting a refund from the stage coach service for Laura and Albert's money! I'd a been pissed if I'd been them.

And poor Carrie...first she wanted to help Albert and Laura and was scolded by Ma "Oh no...you're too young to help out" and then was left on her own devices to tend to Grace one night when the rest of them HAD to hurry over to Adam and Mary's school to let them know that Laura and Albert were going to give them the money. Had Lindsay/Sidney (there were actually twins playing the role of Carrie, right?) been any better at acting, they probably should have had an episode ala Jan Brady's infamous "Marsha, Marsha Marsha" saga.

I imagine you'd have to heat syrup to the "hard crack" stage in order for it to harden in snow.

I think I mentioned the stagecoach/accident/fire episode upthread, and I still can't remember why Mary was carrying those eyeglasses, except as a plot contrivance to start the fire. I do remember thinking that the actress playing the pregnant passenger was ... to be charitable, I'll say "not the greatest." I didn't know she was ML's daughter.

Maybe I'm the only one who didn't already know this, but apparently Sean Penn got some early "acting" experience on "The Voice of Tinker Jones", one of the episodes from Season 1. He doesn't say anything, but he's on camera quite a bit as one of the kids helping Tinker create the bell for the church/school.


I had a bonnet and went through a period where I wore it to bed every night. I don't know what was wrong with me.


She was also in "The Plague" as one of the plagued. She has a "touching" scene with ML where he reassures her that everything's going to be hunky-dorey even though everyone in the town is dying and no one knows the source of the killer disease. Oh Pa.

That's the main reason I found out who she was. I think she returns as a teacher, later in the series and still was just as bad.