They were just playing the E! THS on Full House and I had it on in the background. Question. Is it me or did they spend ALOT of time talking about the Olsen twins and how great and wonderful they are then they did about Full House itself?

I don't think so...it's been a while since I've caught an episode, but I don't remember the Tanners going shoeless in the house for the most part. I could be remembering wrong though.

They did. And I think the Olsens had their own E! THS as well. E! seemed to love them.

Although I like how the Tanners had some people around who were "bad influences", and didn't surround the Tanners completely in a bubble of morality and hugs, I really feel as if the family portrayed more of an ideal than anything that any person could relate to.

I got curious as to where the writers who created these quasi-unbelievable plots went off to after the show ended. Jeff Franklin also did Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, but doesn't seem to have had any hits since. Dennis Rinsler and Marc Warren were listed as to writing 33 episodes, and both went off to writing for Disney. Despite Full House being a hit, I think that if it aired today, Disney would be the best and only channel for it.

Wouldn't be surprised if they did. (snicker) Yeah, great and wonderful...and what are they doing NOW?! They SAY they have their own business, but if ya ask me they've become Paris Hilton wanna-be's. (and ugly as sin too, I might add)

Hey. First time posting here.

I'm going to be honest. During FH's original run, I was a wee little one and I LOVED Michelle. I used to call it "The Michelle Show" and bugged my parents to watch it with me. But now, watching reruns, I'm incredibly ashamed of myself. What a spoiled brat.

I thought Michelle was moderately endearing as a toddler, but then got progressively more annoying as she got older. In the final couple of seasons, she was ultra annoying.

When I first started watching, Michelle was my favorite character! I'm only a couple of years older than the Olsen twins and I had my bratty moments so I think Michelle was sort of wish fulfillment, i.e. I liked how she got away with everything and how the world revolved around her. Because I wished that I could get away with half the things that she did, lol.

Of course now when I watch, I rail with everyone else about what an insufferable brat the kid really was.

Not-so-funny anecdote: My friend and I were talking about television shows and I mentioned that I liked watching 90s sitcoms. She immediately piped up with, "Full House!" I laughed and said, "Yeah, but ugh...Michelle is so awful..." My friend gave me a wounded look and said, "You don't like Michelle? I LOVED Michelle!" In her defense, I don't think she's watched the show since she was a little kid...

My favorite was always Stephanie, because that's my name.

I grew up with this show as well, but never liked Michelle (name thing?). She looked like a troll to me and those things freaked me out. She's 3 with bags under her eyes, not unlike a troll. Although, I think they are quite pretty now, scary skinny, but I still think they are pretty.

Stephanie will always be my favorite. She is so adorable & very funny. Compare to Michelle, Stephanie is very classy. Even Kimmy Gibler has more class than Michelle.



Can you imagine if Full House aired on Disney Channel today? They'll find ways to make Michelle Tanner the star of the show. Poor sweet Stephanie Tanner would be even more of a nobody. Michelle Tanner would be even more irritating if it airs on Disney Channel today.

I remember reading a report in the early 1990s in National Enquirer, so I am not sure if it is true. Has anyone else ever heard anything ? It involved Full House going to only of the twins playing Michelle, the more happy active lively one.

Also, it said there was a possibility they may bring back the Greek “twin.” It was the episode Jesse’s Greek family came to visit, and DJ briefly married someone by walking around the table. One of the Olsen twins played a Greek look a like for Michelle. The story claimed the family would move down the street, so both Olsen twins could act together on a lot of episodes.

ETA: Has anyone heard if any of this is true ?

I've never heard that. But it sounds horrifying.

nevermind!

I've never heard the story about the Greek twin, but I have heard the one about switching to just one of the girls for the Michelle role. It made sense especially since there were money issues at the end. ABC was paying twice as much for the role of Michelle than they were for the roles of DJ and Stephanie. (Assuming Candice Cameron, Jodi Sweetin, and the Olsens were paid the same amount per episode.)

One of the lesser-craptastic episodes was when one of the Tanners dreamed about life in the future- we got a look at grown up DJ, Stephanie, and Michelle and really old Danny, Jesse, and Joey. Joey was a hysterical fat guy. Jesse was kind of boring, but Danny was a funny stereotypical old Jewish guy. (at one point they're all falling all over eachother and he yells, "My arm!") The funniest part is when Kimmy Gibbler walks in, all grown up and beautiful. Jesse: "Kimmy Gibbler, oh my god!"

Another ep that wasnt half bad was when Stephainie was supposed to go to the Honeybee Slumber Party wth Becky, but she had to cancel, so Joey volenteered to fill in for her. What made this ep a little better than most was not just because Michelle had a smaller role, but because in a way it was pretty realistic. Stephanie feeling left out cause all the other grls were there wth their Moms and her heart to heart with DJ.

If they made an ep like that with Michelle, maybe she wouldn't have turned out all that bad.

What I hated about that show was how incredibly insensitive the other kids were being to Stephanie,and their mothers were allowing them to do it. Everyone knew Stephanie didn't have a mother, and that Joey was trying his best to fill in, but the other kids were being just cruel,and the mothers said nothing. Great supportive group there, and way to teach your kids to think about others' feelings. They drove her out of there in tears!

I think the Head Mother was trying to make the girls stop (trying to suggest other games, finding high heels that would fit Joey, etc) but they wouldn't listen.

Speakig of adult not making kids stop, I know I hate to bring up the subject of Michelle again, but during the pretty good years, when Michelle was in pre-K, that brat Aaron picked on her all the time, and was rude to any of her relatives (like Jessie) and the teacher never did anything to stop him! In fact there were some eps when she teacher just sat back and let him scream and be rude to Jessie and Michelle.

If this were a private school (like what I went to) I'd think his rich parents were helping fund the school, but it was a public school. Shouldn't the teacher have DONE something?

Probably, but since it was Michelle often being targeted I didn't really care.

One thing that always bugged me was how the adults treated Kimmy Gibbler. Okay, we know she's rude and crude. And? They were ostensibly grown-ups and she was a teenager. While I wouldn't blame them for being pissed and yelling at her, the malicious jibes were too much.

I thought the end of that episode was pretty disturbing, when Joey (or Jesse) said, "I'm going to start being nice to Kimmy Gibbler!" Because...ew.

I guess you could say the same thing for how the Winslows treated Steve on Family Matters, but that's for another board.

I disagree. The only person who ever seemed to really get angry with Steve was Carl, and even he didn't resort to the sarcastic jabs the Tanners frequently used with Kimmy. I think Carl's outbursts were understandable considering what an unintentional menace Steve was. Kimmy, while annoying, wasn't really a menace. The most she ever really did was talk back and have stinky feet. (Steven meanwhile was wreaking havoc and destroying the Winslow home.) I thought it was really juvenile, the way Danny, Jesse, and Joey often stooped to her (Kimmy's) level of tossing barbs at her.

I know that Laura was also frequently annoyed with Steve, but her I'll give a pass too because she was Steve's age.

There's just something really off about three adults getting into a battle of barbs the way the Tanners did with Kimmy.

Plus, Kimmy was DJ's friend while Steve was... creepy?

Here's the thing that bugs me the most about this show (other than Michelle): How did two people with dark hair (I'm assuming Danny's wife/the girls' mother had dark hair since Jesse was Greek) have three blonde children?

Dark hair color is dominant. Danny and his wife could both have carried the recessive gene for blond hair, even though they themselves have brown hair. Consequently it is possible (although not likely) that all of their children could have blond hair. It would be much more implausible, if not impossible*, were the hair colors reversed, i.e. Danny and his wife had blond hair, and the children had dark hair.

* I think that genetics is more complicated than the simple "dominant vs. recessive" matrix that they teach you in HS biology. For example, I've heard that it is theoretically possible for two blue-eyed people to have a brown-eyed kid, even though what we learn in HS tells us differently.

I also remember in one episode they showed a home movie of Danny and Pam bringing Michelle home from the hospital and Pam was blond.

Plus, I could have sworn there was a flashback or home video viewing in which Danny's wife (did we ever learn her name?) had blond hair.

Pam. And yes, she was blonde.

Whenever I see that, I can only think Dave Coulier was married to the actress who played older Michelle for a few years.


Kimmy Gibbler was a little like Steve Urkel. They both were annoying, barged into the house without knocking, and we never saw their parents.

Which really makes you wonder what the hell man-child Joey was up to sleeping on the couch and then in the basement all those years.

It's Full House meets The Thorn Birds!



At least she was genuinely friends with DJ, unlike Steve, who was pestering Eddie and everyone else (even if Harriet and Estelle weren't as hard on him) and practically stalking Laura.

Yeah, the boy really should have been slapped with a restraining order. And, just to reiterate what I said before, Kimmy wasn't dangerous. Steve was, albeit unintentionally so, considering all of his science experiments that went awry. I never blamed Carl for getting pissy with Steve. Kimmy on the other hand was just an annoying teenage girl. Imagine -- a real teenage brat! Heavens. :P

And, to continue the comparison between the two shows, it always annoyed me how Full House seemed to want us to cheer on three adults taking on a teenage girl. Whereas with Family Matters, we were supposed to be rooted firmly on Steve's side and Carl was always chastised for telling him off even when Steve was literally destroying the Winslow home.

And Laura was a heartless bitch even though she repeatedly made it clear to Steve that she was not interested, told him to leave her alone and things escalated to the point where he was chasing her dates off.

In honor of Ed McMahon's passing, I watched the Joey on Star Search episode yesterday. I wonder if someone like Joey really would have done that awesome on the show.

CUT... IT.... OUT...of course they would have :)

Yeah,in that home movie, when they were bringing Michelle home from the hospital, it showed Pam with very blonde hair. So how could a woman from a Greek family, whose mother, father and brother all have dark hair, be a light blonde? I don't know why all the girls were blonde either, except for the fact that blonde kids are probably thought of as cuter.

I have always wondered the same thing about the mom/daughters. Especially since their supposed parents were on the show and they were olive complected with dark hair.
It also bugged me that the parents just disappeared and never came around again after Jesses wedding(I think thats the last episode I remember them in) I liked them especially the mom. At least they could have been there for the twins birth. But I guess if they had any more characters on the show there wouldn't be enough Michelle time.

Poor Michelle, just ain't feelin the love! LOL

Pam and Jesse's mother, Irene, was blond. (The first time she appeared she was played by a different actress who had very dark hair, but all subsequent times she was on she was played by Yvonne Wilder, who was blond.)

And as for how all three girls managed to be blond, well, Danny's mother was also blond (both actresses who played her), so we got their mother as a blond and their father as a blond carrier, so it's not only possible but entirely likely for each child to be blond.

I know who Yvonne Wilder is, and I only remember her having dark hair. I could be wrong. I am not knowledgeable on genetics but I think that it is not "entirely likely" that all three children with half a dark haired, olive complected Greek family would be blonde and blue eyed. I think as I said that it was a casting choice since blonde children, esp girls, are probably the most popular to watch.

I doubt it, but to be fair to Joey, that performance was at least somewhat funny. Not edgy or hilarious, but it was better than his usual Bullwinkle nonsense. Actually, he might have used Bullwinkle there, but if I recall, he actually at least tried some real jokes.

When the show first aired, Jesse wasn't Greek - his last name was Cochran. They changed that later in the series (at the request of John Stamos), making him a Katsopolis and of Greek heritage. It does become harder to believe that these three blue-eyed blonde girls were part Greek, but that storyline happened after they were cast.

That explains it! Thanks Jess!! it just occurred to me though, that they did the very same thing with the twin boys. Jesse, who was Greek by then, and Rebecca both had very dark hair, yet there those boys were, blond and blue eyed. You would think the show would think about things like that when casting.

I don't know Yvonne's other credits outside of Full House so she may very well have had different looks on other shows/movies/whatever she was in, but on Full House she was blonde.



It could be if the parent from said Greek family was blonde and blue-eyed herself, which is not outside possibility as one of Pam's parents was a blonde too. Jesse and Pam were actually half-Greek; I think in one episode Irene said something to the effect that she was Italian. So the Tanner girls actually one-fourth dark haired Greek. So yes, it could be "entirely likely" for all three of them to turn out blonde. Showing my inner geekdom for a moment: Pam was blond and so had two recessive (blond) alleles; Danny's mother was blond and therefore he had one blond allele. So by Punnett square math, that makes a 50% chance of them having a blond child.



Not to show just how sad I am that I remember so many minute details about this show (although I think the rest of this post has already given that away), but it's not completely unusual for Nicky and Alex to have been blonde. Actually, I think Becky's hair was closer to dark blonde in the beginning. Then she went through that inexplicable redhead phase, and then it went all near-black brunette and god knows what, but I digress. Anyway, before I forget what my point is, the one time we meet her parents, in the wedding episode, her mother was blonde as well. So, here we go with the blonde gene carrier thing again.

I am sure, regarding all of these characters, the genetics probability of the characters' appearances was not remotely high on the casting people's list of priorities when choosing the actors, but if we must quibble over it (because it's fun!) and pretend these are real people who are really related to each other, then yes, all of these scenarios are actually perfectly possible, genetically speaking.

And now I am off in search of a life.

I thought that was more bottle-blonde.

I know it is not impossible for dark haired parents to have blonde children, but what I want to know is why is it so prevalent on TV? "Everybody Loves Raymond" is another show where the parents have dark hair and the kids are blonde. Do you think the networks just think blonde children are cuter? This is funny, because Alyssa Milano on "Who's the Boss" was cast because she had the same coloring as Tony Danza and really looked like his daughter. I think she was one of the more popular child stars of the 80's.

Also, forget about hair color, could they at least try and cast kids who look somewhat like the parents. None of the girls look anything like Danny or Jessie (I know this is not unusual in real life as well), but since the Olsens had no acting ability whatsoever...why not go with kids who look like the dad or the uncle?

Hey, I have a question someone might be able to answer: re-watching season one, episode 10 is 'Joey's Place' where they realise Joey can't go on living in the alcove, and convert the basement into a bedroom/bathroom/lounge for him. Episode 11 'The Big Three-O is Danny's birthday, and only sets really shown are the living room, kitchen, bathyard and the girl's rooms, so I didn't notice until episode 12 'Our very first promo' that Joey's room has gone back to been a basement again?! It's shown a couple of times, when DJ and Kimmy are talking, Kimmy is on her bike, and then Stephanie comes down and Kimmy does the 'they're baaack' impression and it's definitely a garage again, and then again when Jesse is chasing the ferret and Joey tries to stop him killing it. I'm guessing for some reason these episodes were shot out of sequence, but then mixed up again when they aired? Did they think that the audience wouldn't notice Joey's room been converted back to the garage? After that it seems to go back to been Joey's room and it's all OK.

I couldn't help but wonder, after they converted the garage for Joey, that Jesse wouldn't be a little hacked off at the lack of space he now had. Presumably when they first moved in Jesse, Joey and the three girls all shared a bathroom, as Danny's room seems to have an en-suite. But then Joey gets his own space with bathroom and lounge, and Jesse is stuck sharing a bathroom with three girls and a room near them so he could hardly play his guitar too much.

Well to add to that, when later in the series when they converted Joey's room to the studio where Jesse & the Rippers always rehearsed, where did Joey sleep then?

Were Jesse & Becky in the Attic by that Point?

When Jesse and Becky moved into the attic, they moved the studio to the basement/Joey's room, and Joey moved into Jesse's old bedroom across the hall from the girls.

And in the first season, what money did Joey live on? When he and Jesse moved in, Danny said something about not complaining about sleeping in the alcove since he was living rent-free (perhaps they all just thought it would be short-term, a few months or something?) in exchange for taking care of the girls while he was at work. Anyway, Danny was working presenting the sports news at the TV station, Jesse was working for his Dad killing bugs, but Joey? Sure he might be living rent-free, but what about helping pay the bills, or at least groceries, new clothes, new toys (haha)? Savings? I don't remember them saying he got a job until he and Jesse started working selling ad jingles. He must have had a job of some kind before he moved in- when he talked about quitting comedy he got a few jobs offers as a trainee bank teller and stockbroker, so he must have a college degree, so after college he must have got a job? He turned down those jobs offers and said he'd get something he could do at home while the girls were at school, but I don't remember him getting a job of any kind.

Speaking of college, is it realistic that Danny attended college with a baby and new wife at home? Presumably he went to college in San Francisco, but if he and Pam eloped their senior year, and had DJ when he was 19, would he not have to work to support them? Did Pam not go to college then, she was a stay-at-home Mom?

There was a new Biogrophy episode about Full House on Bio channel on Tuesday. Haven't watched it yet but I am sure they will be re-airing it again if anyone here was interested.

Not to overthink the logistics of Full House, but Joey's job in the beginning was probably just being a stand up comic. Granted, it's not a very well-paying job unless you hit the big time, but I don't think Joey was expected to help out too much financially. And I actually think it was important that Joey didn't have another job, because at the time Danny and Jesse had full time day jobs. So Joey was the one doing most of the daily housework and errands and being there when the girls got home from school (not to mention look after Michelle all day). And at night, he could go out and perform. This was how he made up for living rent-free, because I'm sure hiring a cleaning lady and a nanny would have been much more expensive for Danny.

My biggest problem with that episode was that it really emphasized a basic problem with the show, namely that Joey seemed very out of touch with the girls and their feelings. For a character who was supposedly added in order to appeal to a young audience, he seemed oddly disconnected with the girls. Bob Saget played a fairly convincing dad, and John Stamos had great chemistry with all three (well, four) girls and really seemed like a person that a kid would want to confide in - not too square, but still an authorative figure. Once Lori Loghlin came along she wasn't half bad with the girls either. The sleepover episode is a perfect example that Joey, however, had none of this going for him. Showing up with a tween girl at a mother-daughter sleepover wearing child-like pyjamas and walking around in high heels - it's really the kind of thing that any grown man should have figured would embarrass a child. Another example is the episode where Stephanie is embarrassed about her glasses. Instead of trying to communicate to Stephanie that she shouldn't care what other people think of her, he encourages her to avoid dealing with her selfconsciousness by goofing around in class.

My point is that all this served to make Joey a completely superfluous character on the show. His comedy act was too lame for anyone over the age of 10 to find it funny, and his character was too childish to be taken seriously, and yet he had little to no connection with the children on the set. I don't know how much of it was the bad writing and how much of it was Dave Coulier's acting, but whatever it was, it didn't work.

I do agree, however, that the sleep-over episode was one of the better ones. I like that it dealt with DJ's and Stephanie's loss of their mother. I think they glossed over this major issue way too much, and I still cannot believe that they give us a whole episode of Michelle dealing with the loss of a great-grandfather that she'd met all of two times and next to no storylines dealing with the fact that DJ and Stephanie had been through the trauma of losing their mother in a car accident at the ages of 10 and 5.