No only is it not wrong but it should actually be admired :)

I just watched the episode where Stephanie has a date with a Cute!Boy and Gia spreads a rumor that Stephanie paid the boy to take her out. I haven't seen this episode in several years, and I'd forgotten how incredibly snark-worthy it is: the awful haircut the Token Cute Boy that Stephanie wants to date has, the over-the-top dialog, and the ridiculous subplot where Danny starts rearranging all the furniture in the house to help himself get over Vicky.

Someone upthread was talking about how "uncultured" the Tanner Family seemed to be (especially when it came to trying different ethnic foods, etc.) and I thought about it as I saw this episode. There is a scene where Danny rearranges the kitchen and makes sushi for everyone to eat as they sat on the floor. And yes, Danny should have told people in advance before he tried it, but everyone in the episode acts like Japanese food is this Strange Exotic Delicacy that they've never had or heard of before. And there are references in the script that jokingly refer to "eating squid," etc. As I was watching it, I was a little surprised. The Tanners live in an upper-middle class neighborhood in a major metropolitan city and none of them has had sushi before? I know that the producers of the show were just trying to be funny, but damn - the Tanners really lived in their own little bubble, didn't they? :P

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All that being said, I have to say that my ice-cold heart melted a little at the end of this episode when Stephanie has her little heart-to-heart with Gia and gives her sanctimonious speech about how we "shouldn't care about what other people think of us." Yes, it is very, very heavy-handed (what episode of Full House isn't?) But I liked that the show embraced a somewhat feminist message and had the girls become friends who look out for one another. There are way too many shows/movies where the main plotline revolves around two girls who are fighting over some worthless guy; I liked that in this case, the boy disappears at the end of the episode and the two girls become friends (and the show focuses on their friendship after that.)

And let's not forget the absolute best part of that episode: The fantastic, sure-to-be-top-40-hit "Human Pudding" by ... Human Pudding!

"We're Human, Were Pudding! Human Pudding!"
Wish I had that on my Ipod. J/K I will admit I do have forever by the Beach Boys though.

Well it looks like the Michelle hate is alive and well here, but the one I couldn't stand was Stephanie, at least in her early years. She had the "cute kid" precociousness that made me cringe, and I thought her character was just plain obnoxious. I know alot of people thought Michelle got away with everything, but I think Stephanie did pretty well in that department as well, demanding her own way by pretending to cry, and throwing huge fits if everyone wasn't paying enough attention to her, or being a pain in the ass when the plane to Disneyland was fogged in. In regard to not having consquences, I think she was pretty consequence free when she was telling Danny who she would and would not share her room with, and when she drove Joey's car into the kitchen and then ran away, and when she cut Jesse's hair with real scissors.... That episode infuriated me...she cut his hair and then he had to pay big time for getting upset with HER!...or when she stole the sweater for DJ. I also didn't like how she thought everything of DJ's was automatically hers as well. Typical of younger sisters, sure, but still obnoxious.

I'm kind of torn about the hair-cutting episode, because, yeah, it pisses me off too that Jesse had to apologize for getting mad when she did something wrong.

But then, he looked sooooooo much better without that mullet that she was really doing him a favor.

Stephanie was pretty bratty - and Danny was a pretty shitty dad to her as well - but Jodie Sweetin could act well enough that she at least made me laugh instead of just filling me with blind rage. And she could be really sweet, especially to DJ - I don't remember Michelle ever doing one nice thing for anyone.

One thing I liked about Stephanie over Michelle was that Stephanie, at least, felt bad when she did something wrong, like when she drove the car into the house. Michelle always just seemed pissed that someone would dare be less than thrilled with her.

Amen. Stephanie never bothered me outside of the realm of what most children who majorly screw up would feel after being exposed to how her actions made other people feel. Michelle? Had no realm of feeling outside herself.

Aka, Papuli's death (I know I mutilated the spelling.) She should have saved that crappy popsicle stick thing to put on his grave or send with Jesse to bury, or something. Sure, she didn't know how to deal with death but she should have, after learning, probably made more retrospect. But I guess she was used to "just give me a hug, and it will be okay." But OH NO, even though DJ and Steph in the scene right after he died looked the most believable (puffy eyes, red face, etc), Michelle smashes it and doesn't seem bothered.

I didn't have a problem with Stephanie because she didn't act like an entitled snot the entire series and she didn't rule the house with an iron fist like Queen Michelle. Besides we know full well Uncle Jesse had to get rid of that mullet :)

I hate the one where Vicky cooks for them for the first time or something and they get all freaked out about goat cheese on pizza and pesto sauce. I think Michelle acts all bratty about the "green spaghetti" or whatever. I understand that a little kid may get freaked out by it, but everyone? I mean, no one, including the adults, has had goat cheese before? I hate this one- it just gets on my nerves.

Awww and I liked little Stephanie. The one with Oat Boats is one of my favorites.

"I like Oat Boats because Stephanie takes a heaping mouthful they taste great she takes a bite."

Hee. I love that part.

According to this, John Stamos wants to make a big-screen Full House movie with a new cast.

That only works if the show is, like, 20 or 30 years old and half the cast is dead or, you know, way too old now to look remotely like the way they did on the show. What they should really do is do a TV movie like Growing Pains did a few years back, and use the original cast. No new people!

I was supposed to go meet up with some friends now, but it was raining and dreary outside and I didn't feel like leaving the house. So I'm sitting here and watching "Full House" reruns on ABC Family instead (I know, I'm lame!) What can I say? On a dull and rainy day, this show is like comfort food - it's nice to have it on in the background while you're doing other things.

Currently, they're showing the episode where DJ and Steve break up and they climb to the top of that mountain so DJ can give him her "let's just be friends" speech. As with all "Full House" episodes, the writing and acting is over-the-top and ridiculous, but I do like the way in which their breakup is handled in this episode. I like that they didn't break up because he cheated on her, or she slept with someone else, or something contrived like that - instead, they broke up because they had different interests and they simply grew apart.

As I saw this episode, I kept thinking that if the show had been produced today, the producers would have had DJ lose her virginity to Steve's best friend or had Steve fall in love with Kimmy or something equally ridiculous. As poorly written and snark-worthy as "Full House" is, I liked that the producers kept the DJ/Steve breakup very simple and true-to-life. And it was refreshing to see that here was no drama between DJ and Steve after the breakup (like there would be in many of today's teen sitcoms.) Instead, they remained friends, and Steve took DJ to her senior prom in the last episode.

I know that they weren't expecting the episode with Michelle's amnesia to be the last episode, so they changed a few things to have it seem more like a series finale. When Steve comes back, I always assumed that he and DJ got back together. I believe the actor playing Steve asked to leave to pursue other things (college?) so they had new boyfriends for DJ to date (Nelson, Viper) but she dumped them both towards the end, and that's around when the series finale came, I believe. I think they brought Steve back to give DJ a somewhat happy ending. When she sees him she says something like "I missed you so much." While you can miss your friends, I always took it that she missed him as her boyfriend and then they go off to prom...and get back together again. Just my interpretation.

And I never really liked that they made Vicky and Danny break up. I read that they thought Danny marrying Vicky would ruin the single father angle of the show. I get that but...it was just so lame how they broke up. Again, no real drama kind of like with Steve and DJ, just Vicky wanted this and Danny wanted that. They loved each other but couldn't make it work. It's not that I loved Vicky or anything but I didn't dislike her and felt Danny should have gotten a happy ending. It's like the writers just want Danny to be sad and lonely forever because that's what audiences respond to.

And I also wanted to add that Stephanie never bothered me like Michelle. Yes, she was given a few cutesy things to say like "How Rude!" But she just didn't bug the same way. She was pretty remorseful about cutting Jesse's hair and he did overreact to it. The scenarios they gave to Stephanie were a bit more realistic--like the trip to Disneyland being fogged out. I remember missing King's Island on a drive back from vacation because my sister got strep throat. I was sullen. I was angry. I was as pissy as I could be at 8 or 9 years old and I refused to listen to any other fun ideas we could do on the car ride back. And her relationship with DJ was pretty realistic too (as much as it could be on Full House). My sister is 5 years older than me as well and I was always trying to get up in her business. I drew in her magazines, stole her yearbooks, listened to her phone calls, read her diary, lied and said she hurt me when I hurt myself just to get her in trouble...you know, the usual stuff! I guess I just could relate better to her and the shenanigans she caused.

Michelle's shenanigans were just....different. Annoying. Going for "I'm so precious" but bordering on "I want to punch you in the face so hard that you will get amnesia that never leaves you." Um, YMMV.

I really have no idea how this would work. I think the audience would probably tune in solely to see the actors interact with each other again. As mentioned, the show was never that big of a winner with its writing or plot devices. I'm shocked Stamos would think it'd be successful - maybe he just knows offhand that an Olsen - whichever Olsen - wouldn't participate (despite their reported closeness with the cast).

Stephanie would have probably bothered me more if she was the main focus, as they originally intended. I like her middle school episodes, since I think they accurately showed how rough those years can be, without going overboard. I'm wondering if the show continued, if they ever would have written episodes about Michelle going through those similar stages.

I'm not sure how the movie would work either, unless it was a parody (maybe something like the Brady Bunch movies). That's not the impression I got from the article, but it's the only way I could see it working.

Now THAT I would pay good money to see.

He is talking about doing it Brady Bunch style, from the mouth of Entertainment Weekly.

THAT would be awesome. So the 90s Tanners in 2009?

I would LOVE a scene with Michelle doing something totally shitty at school, Danny being called in the traditional Full House 'awwwww' scene and the principal calling him on it. That would be brilliant.

Time for Bond....Lou Bond, and the ever-pouty devil-spawn ("WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I DON'T WANNA MOVE!!!!")

God, Michelle was so irritating in this episode! I know it's supposed to be "cute" and "endearing" that Michelle doesn't want to move to a new house, but I was just amazed at how absolutely inconsiderate she was. Trying to sabotage the deal to sell the house was completely unnecessary and she should have been punished. If she had a problem with moving, she should have told everyone else in the house first - she shouldn't have let everyone else make plans while she plotted to mess up the deal.

I think it also bothers me that no one calls Michelle out on her BS at the end of this episode (but then again, do they ever?) Everyone's all, "thank you Michelle, you're so awesome." Even Jesse and Becky don't seem to care about what Michelle's done - despite the fact that they've invested time and effort into looking at other properties already. If it were me, I'd be very peeved.

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One question I did have as I watched this episode was: did Jesse, Becky or Joey pay any rent? This entire episode, they kept going on and on about how inconsiderate Danny was and how he didn't let them know that he would be waxing the floor or reseeding the lawn. And yes - Danny probably should have done the "right" thing and told them as a courtesy, but if they weren't paying rent and were staying as his guests, they could have also been a bit more understanding. Especially Jesse - he had a wife, two kids, and he was in the process of trying to have more kids (as was pointed out in the show at one point.) If he wasn't paying any rent or utilities, he really should have kept quiet.

As far as I know, neither Joey or Jesse/Becky paid any rent. They were "family." I hope that being the host of the morning show was pretty lucrative for Danny, with supporting approximately one zillion people and paying the mortgage all by himself. Which of course left Jesse and Joey more financially free to have stacks of kids and buy cars for DJ and what have you, instead of chipping in on the bills.

But was it ever stated that they didn't pay rent? Because I always assumed that everyone chipped in, it was just left off-air.

Remember that one episode where Rebecca talks Danny into letting her and Jesse live in the attic? She says something like, It's 1800 square feet and perfect for a young couple saving for their first house. I sort of thought it was implied that Joey and Jesse didn't pay rent because their "rent" was them helping Danny out with the kids.

And remember that other episode where Joey somehow gets a windfall and Danny is certain that Joey is going to pay him back the $5000 he owes him, but then Joey doesn't and buys Danny tickets to a water park or something? Danny gets all ticked and then they have a heart to heart. I guess I always thought that they just lived their for free.

When the show first started, I think the arrangements were more of a nanny situation and Jessie and Joey lived rent free. Not so sure about later seasons though.

I don't remember it being addressed in later seasons.

I am also pretty sure Danny and Joey lived there WITHOUT paying rent. Or any of the other bills except their own.

I guess it would have been different if Danny and Joey asked to move in. But they didn't. Danny WANTED them to move in to help with the girls. I'm sure that Jesse would have been perfectly happy living on his own. Even if it was just a tiny, grungy apartment.

Plus, Danny seemed to be doing pretty good financially. And he didn't seem the type to accept rent from family members anyway.

I bet even when Jesse and Rebecca moved into Danny's attic they didn't pay rent. Although I'm sure they at least payed for the renovation to the attic. Becky also seemed to be doing very well financially.

So between Becky's job and Jesse's I'm sure they must have had a VERY nice chunk of change saved up. Which makes me even madder that in the end they didn't move. All because Michelle talked them out of it.

I always wonder ... just how long were Jesse and Becky planning to stay there in that attic, with the twins? The twins' nursery was barely big enough for them as toddlers; imagine when they got older. How sad that Becky had to give up her sweet condo to move into an attic and raise her children in a closet because her husband's whiny little niece couldn't handle him living two miles away.

In reality, I can't imagine that Jesse and Becky, at least, wouldn't pay rent or contribute to utilities or something, but as far as the show's universe goes, they probably didn't. And even if they offered, you're right, Danny probably wouldn't take it anyway. But that's a lot of extra utilities. I mean, they did essentially create an entire apartment in his house, adding a buttload of new electric and water expenses.

ABC Family is currently showing the episode where Stephanie goes to Gia's house and ::gasp:: other kids are making out with each other! And ::gasp:: there is no adult supervision! Interestingly enough, there is also no food, drink or...music.

You know what's funny? I first saw this episode a million years ago when it first aired on ABC (I think I was 7 or 8 at the time,) and I distinctly remember thinking this episode was so ~scandalous.~ And now as I rewatch it, I can't believe how ridiculous it all is. A couple of thoughts still linger in my head:

* Were make-out parties really popular in the 90's? Were they supposed to be fun? Because kissing some random person in a dark living room with no music, drinks or food sounds really lame to me. Especially since there were apparently only 4 other people at this "party." Unless "making out" is Full House Code for "having sex." In which case, having sex with a random person in front of four other middle schoolers still sounds really lame too.

* I love that Gia is automatically a Bad!Girl just because she once smoked a cigarette and made out with a middle school boy. I also like that the script blatantly implies that Gia is "bad" because she comes from a broken home and doesn't live in a house full of hangers-on like Stephanie does. The part of the episode where Danny refers to Gia as a "future felon" was a bit much though.

* Why is Stephanie so freaking awkward? I mean, I know we all go through an awkward phase as adolescents, but I was just getting second-hand embarrassment from watching her at the party. When Stephanie asked if the other kids at the party wanted to play Pictionary with her, I cringed. Although she *is* a Tanner, so I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? :)

And her whiny husband was homesick! Remember how they were sitting on the couch at her place and he hugged the stuffed pig or whatever and said to Becky, "You know what I'd be doing if I was home?" And Becky said, "Honey you are home." IMHO that whole situation was just as much Jesse as it was Michelle. I thought Jesse was a complete douche in that whole episode.

Speaking of an episode I DO like... it's the one where Jesse and Becky imagine what their twins would be like if each one was raised by one parent. I don't know why, I've always enjoyed that one. Maybe because Michelle wasn't really in it.

I always liked the episode where DJ starts junior high. I thought those "cool" outfits they wore for their second day of school were awesome back in the day...now, I can't believe that the show got away with having two 12 year olds appear on camera looking like that!

HAHA--Joey (uh..."Mr Gladstone") sent the spawn of Satan to the principal's office. Of course she pouts and whines that Joey hates her (yeah, BOOHOOHOO now STFU)

About time someone stood up to the evil one!

@ katnapped or how about when she lost comet and it was all Jesse's fault or when she got kicked out of the "secret" club and it was all Danny's fault?

was it just me or did the writers love to have Danny say "so that's what this is about" (cue sappy music) when he finally realized one of those kids was having a problem?

Oh my, they look like the 80s version of hookers.


Seriously. You'd think Jesse and Becky moved to Los Angeles from the way he was talking. God knows what they would do when their twins grow up and presumably don't want to move into the Tanner household with their families.

If I recall rightly, Michelle lost Comet when she was walking him, alone, and he ran off after a female dog. I remember thinking even at the time that nobody in their right mind should let a 6 or 7 year old walk a dog by themselves, in a big city!!!

I hated how she tried to place the blame entirely on Jesse though "what were you thinking letting me walk Comet by myself?" he was probably thinking she was annoying the hell out of him while he was doing something else, so he was totally distracted. I mean if you can't cross the street just how far are you gonna walk the dog? (or did she do that anyway?)I couldn't really wrap my mind around that one.

Re DJ/Kimmy and their Jr. High "looks"

DJ: "so how do we look?"
Stephanie:"cheap."

lol. I didn't get that joke 'til I was a teen, and looking back i'm surprised they had her say that.

Except didn't Danny completely nullify any effect this may have had on her behavior by yelling at Joey for it while Michelle watched?

No Michelle, despite what your sisters said, you are a freak, and it's more than just feet.

One episode where I really hated Michelle was the "dry lips" episode. Where she references Stephanie's dry lips in front of the cute boy and then runs around yelling "dry lips! dry lips" while Stephanie chases her. It never seems like Michelle gets any comeuppance. Did she ever... in the entire series?

Well she did fall off the horse and lose her memory in the last episode.

Too bad she got it back...

Michelle looked like a baby gorilla to me when she was younger. I don't mean this in a casual way. I mean that, somehow, both Mary-Kate and Ashley were two fur coats away from being caged in a zoo. They didn't grow into their looks while they were on the show, either.

Watching Full House has always bothered me, because the whole family made a big fuss over how adorable hideous little Michelle was, and that made her an obnoxious little brat.

According to what was said at the Comedy Central Roast of Bob Saget, the whole cast loved each other. Did that love extend to the Olsen twins?

Apparently it did. But they haven't been seen with the other cast members as much as the other girls. They obviously weren't at the roast.

I watched the Stupid Super Bowl episode today with Mimi from the Drew Carey show as a college interviewer. I think I hate that episode more than the dinosaur one. Who the hell schedules an interview or anything else for that matter on Super Bowl Sunday? It's like no one in this whole family knows what a big deal the day is for almost everyone else in America. And lets take the kids to a bar. OK- Tell Michelle too damn bad you'll take her where ever the hell she wanted to go next weekend!

I feel better know, I got that off my chest. I seriously need help if this show makes me think this much!

Well, we all know her highness refuses to wait for anything...

Not to mention, that museum would have only been open for another two hours at max if this is the West Coast and the festivities are starting around 3:00. That's also assuming the museum was open at all on Sunday. No interviewer for anything would every schedule an interview on Sunday, regardless of the Super Bowl. And Michelle - get a grip. You're supposed to be in third grade, by now you should really understand the whole mystique of Super Bowl Sunday. Even I did, and I didn't care about football until many years later.

Not only did they live in a major metropolitan city, but they lived in San Fran-freaking-cisco in the Bay Area! The Bay Area is like a mecca for Asians! About a third of SF's population is Asian -- okay, so it's more Chinese than Japanese (and Danny did talk about getting some dim sum during one episode), but still. I found it unbelievable that the Tanners not only had seemingly never had sushi before, but that the entire concept of an Asian-style meal baffled them. You live in an area that is teeming with Asians and you can't comprehend the idea of sitting on the floor for a meal? I bet they'd be completely nonplussed at the idea of taking their shoes off before entering the house, too.

Compared to DJ playing Spin the Bottle at her 13th birthday party a few years earlier (or rather, being peer pressured to play Spin the Bottle by her friends) this did seem more scandalous in comparison. Could you imagine DJ getting into a car with some older boys and yelling to "burn rubber"? Both Stephanie and DJ were awkward as adolescents typically are, but the whole asking-other-kids-if-they-wanted-to-play-Pictionary-as-a-means-of-avoiding-kissing-a-boy seems more like something DJ would do. The writers were really inconsistent with Stephanie at the end of the series, not just with the plots but even her clothing. Sometimes Stephanie acted really cool, other times she acted like a dork. But I never got the goody-two-shoes vibe from Stephanie that I got with DJ.

Of course, if FH lasted until Michelle was 13, her friends would probably be bumpin' and grindin' at their make-out party and she would jump right into the mix, no questions asked. I never got any sense of morality from her the way I did with DJ and Stephanie. Fortunately, the way the writers portrayed Danny's parenting skills, it all makes sense.

Heh. I remember my friend saying back in the day, "The baby on that show looks like a Monchichi!"

And I remember back around 1993, Tracey Ullman was approached about doing a movie with the twins and reportedly said, "Ugh, I don't want to work with those little monkeys," or something like that.

Uh...this is DANNY TANNER...the 90's version of Felix Unger! I think he's order them to take off their shoes before entering the house!




HA, if it DID last until she was 13, shed be a 13 year old still played by twins! :D

The way the Olsen twins are today, I think that statement is prophetic!