I really despised the Gia and Michelle dynamic in the 8th season. It was Kimmy vs. Stephanie all over agin, but it wasn't a damn bit funny. Stephanie's snark always suited her well, but snarky Michelle came off so bad. Gia was just mean, and Michelle was a sarcastic, entitled princess.

One exchange that always puts a smile to my face, try as I might to avoid it:

Gia (in patronizing babytalk voice): Are you ready for your first day of third grade?

Michelle (same voice): Are you ready for your third year of seventh grade?

Hee.

I think it had a lot to do with the fact that whichever Olsen was supposed to be good at comedy sucked, whereas Jodie actually knew how to deliver funny lines.

Actually, the same could be said for Marla Sokoloff vs. Andrea Barber.

Wow. I've spent the last three days reading this entire thread(cause I'm cool like that), and I pretty much agree with everything. So much venom for Michelle, and boy did I laugh my ass off. I concur that Joey is definitely a child molestor, and Stephanie rule. As does Kimmy. I really liked Steve though. I thought he was cute, and he was the voice of Aladdin, so disney geek that I am, he gets points for that. I liked DJ, but not as much as Stephanie. I love Becky, before and after Jesse, and I love Jesse, even if he was a bit whipped. I'm kind of eh on Danny. He had his moments I guess.

I got a question for FH buffs. There's an episode where DJ dresses up as the joker for Halloween. I think it's the one where she wants her own room, but I'm not sure. She's dressed up near the end of the episode I think. It's been driving me crazy(again, cause I'm cool). Anybody?

It's "Divorce Court" from the third season, where Stephanie moves in with Michelle after fighting with D.J. and the family holds a mock court (as one does) to see if this should be a permanent arrangement. I think the fight starts with D.J. bailing out of plans to go to Stephanie's Halloween carnival or something.

I just stopped in to see what is happening in here and my, the Michelle hate is alive and well here! I actually like Michelle, *ducking airborne objects*. I didn't like Stephanie when she was little, she had that "I'm a cute tv kid" thing going on, but she was better as she got older. Michelle had her bratty moments, for sure, with the "uncle Tattletale" and being mad at Joey when he disciplined her at school, but she wasn't alone. The thing that bugged me most about the show was that the kids were in charge and the adults hapless dupes whose sole mission was to serve and placate them. Adults must never lose temper with child or attempt to discipline them in any way, and adult must be at beck and call 24/7, to wait on these kids. Michelle wasn't the only princess. Was it DJ who taped over something Jesse had recorded, and he let her know she was wrong, and she wouldn't speak to him..how dare he get mad at her...and ended up buying her a set of drums? It was DJ who was late getting home and Joey grounded her, big tantrum, and then of course gave in because "he was wrong"... Stephanie cut Jesse's hair with real scissors, and he didn't see it and didn't know, he apologized to her for getting mad...

Oddly enough, the same dynamic played out with Michelle and the twins. I remember when they had broken something of hers and she got upset about it. That was the "mean Michelle" episode, and she ended up having to ask for THEIR forgiveness. I know they were just little, but they still could have been taught that they were wrong.

Jesse and Becky were awful parents with the twins. They needed to get over the "our kids are the cutest babies who ever existed" B.S. and realize, one, that's not true, and two, cute or not kids need discipline and structure and they sucked at teaching them that. They let those brats get away with everything. I don't think very much changed in their approach after the episode ("Tough Love") where their ineffectual parenting was explicitly brought up when they wrecked Michelle's science project.* Nicky and Alex still behaved like little monsters (which is what kids will do), and their parents invariably just looked at them as precocious little tykes (not what proper parents will do).

* And can I say that Michelle deserves to have her science project ruined, just a little, for being dumb enough to leave it lying on the floor with the bedroom door wide open in a house with two toddlers and a dog?

Very much agree, lollipopgal, especially about Jesse and Becky sucking as parents. I am surprised that Comet didn't eat Saturn before the terrortwins even got to it. Hard to get planet juice out of the carpet, too!!

As he should have! That haircut was the best thing that ever happened to him. Man, was he good-looking after that cut...!!

Jesse at least was willing to get mad at the two older kids. If I recall, it was Danny who got pissed at him for daring to yell at DJ for messing with his equipment.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, he kind of sucked as a father.

The twins never struck me as being unusually bratty kids, except in the episodes they had dealing with Jesse and Becky's inability to discipline them. But then, they were two, most kids are your garden-variety handfuls at that age.

I wonder if any of the writers for the show had kids. You kind of have to wonder how they'd turned out, or if their parents really thought that a parent's job was to encourage their children to be brats instead of teaching them how to behave.

Agree, she saved him from forever mullet-dom.

I'm watching the early episodes and I really do think the men feel that the twins are the cutest things ever. In every scene we see one of them kissing and cuddling Michelle. Especially in the opening scenes. I hate those.

In the opening season, Stephanie and Jessee had an awesome dymanic. And she was the one who cut his hair. Then, it became all about Michelle (or Me-Shell) and Jessee, and we lost something from the Stephanie-Jessee.

The talk between them when Steph's classmate was abused was very good.

I actually thought the bond between Jesse and Michelle, from the beginning, was apparent and very sweet.

I agree also that Danny was a sucky parent, more about the cleaning mania than actually parenting his kids. This is going to make me sound like such an old crone, but DJ was only like 14 when she went to Spain, right, and came back with Steve. The level of obsession with him bugged me a bit, how she was unable to do or think about anything other than him, ever. I realize this is probably fairly typical of girls that age but as a parent I wouldn't be comfortable with it, and it seemed that it would have been a good place for a message that girls can have boyfriends but also to focus on their own lives and their own growing up. I realize that this may be way too much to expect of this show and of the adults who were clueless to begin with.

I just saw the episode with Becky's nephew "Howie" the other day. So stupid. The immediatly announce him to be Michelle's first boyfriend, just because she "uuuh"'ed when she saw him on TV. The adult practically throw him at Michelle. Doesn't the poor kid have a say in this? And that stupid "Michelle's smiling" song. Just a stupid episode.

It actually was. He would tuck her in, sing to her, he came back because he heard she was sick.

Something that always bugged me about the show...

Danny had a "I'm freaking out because I'm turning 30" episode in the first season... DJ was 12 then.. So that means Danny was a dad at 17-18, and was married, had kids, graduated high school, went to college, had more kids, bought a house, got a job at a tv station... all before 30? I'm very sure its possible, but I dunno, this time line just always bugged me- just not believable (for him). In that same episode Jesse said he was 25, and yet later on in the series the three amigos were shown hanging out in the same elementary school. I think too much on a show that was basically marshmallow fluff.

I loved the special Uncle Jesse Michelle relationship - I thought it was so adorable that after he moved into her room and changed the pink bunny wallpaper, he saved and framed a sqaure of the wallpaper. Of course TPTB took the bond entirely too far when they had Jesse and Becky move into the attic (not even a 3rd floor apartment, but an attic with a bed that comes out of the wall!) because Uncle Jesse couldn't bear to be away from Michelle. Adorable-ness ended there, and creepiness began.

I thought DJ was 10 when the show started and Stephanie was 5 or 6?

Either way, I always thought that it was strange that Danny had the kids so young, they made it sound like he went to college which would have been kind of impossible unless they started having the girls in college?

I loved the dynamic between Jesse and Michelle, whenever he sang Michelle's Smiling it was so cute. They had a very apparent bond from early on in the show.

And he was initially very close with Stephanie as well.

Yeah, DJ was 10 when the show premiered. She was 18 and ready to graduate in the final season (shame they never showed her graduation, though, did they?). The one thing that the show kept consistent was the age of the girls. As far as I can tell, at least, the girls were always the right age at the right time.

Now that I'm 24, I'm watching the show again and still think that all three guys are way too old to be in my age range. It kind of creeps me out, to be honest.

Maybe Danny went to a broadcasting school. Or had some kind of two year program and then had DJ immediately. Again, yes - anything is possible - but it couldn't have hurt to bump his initial age up a little bit.

Michelle and Jesse had a sweet relationship initially, but it occasionally weirded me out even in the early years. Coming home from his trip because she has a cough? I mean...kids get colds. If they'd told him she was in the hospital or something, I could understand his coming back, but...

Also, the pink bunnies were Stephanie's, weren't they, when Jesse originally moved into the room? When did they become Michelle's?

I saw that episode, too, and I don't know if I'm just tired or what, but at the beginning Jesse says he has to watch "Wake Up San Francisco" because Becky will wink to let him know if she'll date him that night. He then says "once for yes, twice for no...."


Then, the very next scene, Becky winks TWICE and Jesse goes "woo! The double wink! Chill that champagne." Um, continuation, much?!

Yes, now that you mention it, you're right. Jesse moved into Stephanie's room, which was done, for her, with the pink bunnies, by her mother. She probably had originally just put two...:) When the room became Jesse's permanently, they painted the walls, saving one bunny in a frame, that stayed in the room. Then when Jesse moved out, he gave the bunny to Michelle. So Stephanie got screwed by both Jesse and Michelle with the memento of her mother. She should have had it all along.

Weren't they pushing Stephanie to give Mr. Bear to Michelle, at one point, telling her she was too old for stuffed animals? Hello, it was from her mother..she would want to keep it forever! These guys were so clueless...

Nope you're right...this is one episode where the editors mess up big time. He said that she's wink once for yes and twice for no so when Becky winks twice you initially think she's turning Jesse down. But then he freaks all out and says that he got "the double wink" and that she said yes.
This episode always bugs me.

The pink bunny thing started when Jesse moved into the room. Stephanie didn't seem bothered by Jesse taking them down, but Michelle, who was just learning to speak, had some kind of attachment to it, so Jesse framed the single one because he knew Michelle liked it. It seems like Stephanie was more focused on living with DJ, so she didn't fuss about any of it. Thus, the bunny became associated with Michelle.

That really ticked me off. It was supposed to be a reward for Michelle for sleeping in her own crib like a big girl or some shit.

Did anyone else live in a home where if you don't do what you're supposed to, you get in trouble and you were expected to behave right, instead of being bribed and rewarded for doing the most basic things and being basically ignored when you misbehaved?

This does sound familiar all right. The bribing and rewarding would have been cool though...I could have lived with that!

I had always hoped that the series finale would be DJ's graduation. I don't know why, but it just seemed right.

Pfsh, but that would have taken the focus off Precious Michelle!

Actually, that's not true. I'm sure the writers could have made ANY plotline all about Precious Michelle.

Precious Michelle probably would have taken over DJ's graduation. She would have caused some sort of ruckus, and then somebody nearby -- another student's family member -- would have snarked at her to be quiet. Then Precious Michelle would have said something about the person's "bad attitude" and Danny, Joey, and Jesse would have gotten upset that somebody dared to say something mean to her.

This is making me think of the early Christmas episode where Michelle pulled the toupee off the old man's head. Of course the guy was upset and he (rightfully) took the wig back, making Michelle cry. And Danny, Joey, and Jesse had the nerve to act like it was the old man's fault. What did they expect Old Man to do? Michelle cried because he took the toupee away, IIRC. Did they want Old Man to just let her keep it?

Hee! One of my favorite "Michelle must die" moments. Another is when she dives into the wedding cake samples Jesse brought home for EVERYONE to try. As usual, the idiots just stood there laughing & exclaiming over her behavior.

I think if the writers hadn't focused so much on Michelle's bratty behavior, or had her being disciplined once in awhile, there wouldn't be all this eye-rolling & general extreme dislike for Michelle.

Making DJ's graduation All About Michelle would have been easy - just let DJ get some attention for once and have Michelle freak out about not being the center of the universe for a couple of days.

Oh, that totally could have been an episode. Say, Michelle happens to have something important (only to her) going on around the same time, but everyone's attention is diverted to D.J. and her silly, pointless, totally not-a-huge-milestone-or-anything graduation from high school. Michelle pouts, the adults finally realize *gasp* Michelle's upset, cue the Lesson of the Week music. The adults try to make it up to Michelle for ignoring her (read: paying attention to someone else for once for more than ten minutes) by making D.J.'s graduation party a joint celebration for her and Michelle. But everyone, including D.J., spends the whole party reassuring Michelle that she's still the most important person in the family, no, make that the entire world. And to make it up to her for making her feel left out, they let her keep all of D.J.'s graduation presents. Voila. End credits.

And then they get canceled.

LMAO!

I wonder why Jesse's heritage was changed from Irish to Greek, with the last name changing from "Cochran" to "Kasopoulis." (Or was it with a "C"?) Changing character names from the pilot into the series always seemed strange to me.

I thought he was always Greek, just he was ashamed of his heritage and changed his name from very Greek sounding "Katsopoulus" to a very Anglo sounding "Cochran" - until the VSE in which he decided to embrace his culture. It happened somewhere along the lines of when he gave up bug killing, I think. Of course I could be wrong, my memory for FuLL House details is very fuzzy.

There was never an episode that explained it. I can't remember it the change started in season three or four, but it was certainly changed at the season four premiere. Stamos wanted the character to reflect his own heritage, so we got the change.

So here's an odd question. John Stamos had a very public break up with Rebecca Romijn (now married) and Jennifer Aniston had a very public breakup with whats-his-name.. haha, and they're both Greek. Wouldn't that be a nice couple? I think Stamos even guest-appeared on "Friends" as a potential sperm donor.

I thought it was odd as well, but I did appreciate the tie-in to the Greek heritage.

This show in the first season was much snappier and funnier and dare I say racier (for... Friday night at 8 PM) than in later seasons. I blame Disney. Personally I liked the episodes where they showed the characters not play saints. Jesse wanting to ride along the length of the building on his bike (Scott Baio was there!), going away to a cabin with the girlfriend. I did like when they explored the peer-pressure stuff or Danny needing to trust the girls.

I also really liked how DJ broke up with Steve, I thought it was a nice way of showing her grow up. I liked their relationship, it was very believable, though i am surprised Steve was so .. sexless. Teenage boy? Girlfriend? Helo? Again I blame Disney.

I blame those awful bodysuits that DJ was always wearing. That trend was so unflattering, but it was especially bad on CC. Her wardrobe was terrible, even for the styles of those days.

I didn't like the DJ/Steve break-up episode on the fake mountaintop, but I did like that she got to date a few more guys before the show ended, even though that eventually got lame as well. Poor DJ, you guys are right, she did need a graduation!

What drives me nuts is if you see current pics of Candace Cameron-Burre (or whatever) she is SUPER skinny and she talks about how she was "bigger" as a child or had a bunch of baby fat. I never thought DJ ever needed to lose weight. I actually thought she looked very NORMAL. Andrea Barber seemed naturally thin, as did Jodie Sweetin, so maybe next to them she felt big?

I don't think she ever needed to lose weight.

I don't either. In an interview, or maybe it was the E! True Hollywood Story, Candace (or one of the other cast members) said that the execs/producers were so concerned about her weight that they made her go on a diet. But she says that she never really thought that she was all that heavy.

I've heard that too. From what I remember of E! True Hollywood Story, her parents enlisted some help after the producers made some comments about Candace being "heavy" and I seem to think it happened on the heels of the Tracey Gold anorexia announcement. They also did the VSE of DJ not eating to lose weight. I don't remember if that was before or after producers made a comment/Tracey Gold. But Candace looked like she was at a healthy weight to me then and now watching repeats.

I saw that special too, and she explained how difficult it was to go through puberty basically in front of America. I had the same chubby cheeks and round figure as a kid, and didn't shake the weight and realy grow unto my adult figure until I got to college. My pictures of me from age 12-16 I would love to burn, so I can't imagine spending most of my awkward years in front of a camera, next to super thin actresses and with producers telling me I was fat? Not so fun.

As a child of the 90s, I adored Michelle Tanner. I watched Full House just for Michelle. I hated when she got in trouble.

Now, as a 21 year old college student, I look back and say "what the fuck?" With re watching these FH shows on Nick@Nite, I never knew she was an annoying spoiled little brat. I hated how DJ got punished for bringing a horse into the house. (Who only whinnyed like once and never stayed overnight) but the little twerp brings home a smelly donkey and gets off with a stupid lecture. I dont mind baby and toddler Michelle, but kid Michelle...UGH!

I am so glad that I am not the only one who noticed when Uncle Jesse gave the framed pink bunny to Michelle and had a bit of a problem with it. I was watching the episode the other day and thought "wait a minute, weren't they Stephanie's pink bunnies?". I get that by this point, the show had become the Michelle show, but anyone who had watched from the beginning would know that Michelle was so young when Uncle Jesse moved in and had the bunnies, she probably wouldn't even remember their existence.

I never thought that DJ was heavy. However, I felt that her clothing choices were not the most figure flattering. Putting her in turtlenecks, those stupid jumpers, or the previously mentioned bodysuits (those things were so uncomfortable! My mom used to put me in them when I was a kid) made her look heavier than she was.

As for DJ having a graduation, what they probably would've done is what the did for Stephanie when she was upset because both Michelle and DJ were graduating from something and she wasn't: Throw her her own graduation to celebrate whatever grade she was being promoted to. Except they would've added a party for the little bugger too, and that little flamer Derek would sing something.

I have to say that Danny had a pretty strange idea of what was a disciplinable offense and what wasn't. Stephanie and Michelle stow away on a plane and end up in New Zealand, and barely get a talking to. Stephanie drives the car into the house, and barely gets a talking to. But the time DJ took them to a movie and snuck them into one theater and she was in another with her boyfriend, Danny punished all of them. Yeah like Michelle had any choice in the situation, she was all of five or something.

It was Stephanie's pink bunny and should have been given to her.

In regard to DJ's weight, she was a little chubby when the show started, as girls of that age, 10 or so, often are, and I thought had a very normal looking body from then on, but of course next to Stephanie and Kimmy, who were naturally slender, she probably did feel chunky. I think I did hear her say at some point that the show people wanted her to lose weight. I felt so sorry for Tracey Gold, and I always felt that her parents dropped the ball by not pulling her off that show the minute there was a problem. I don't know what they were thinking.

Steph and Michelle were grounded for a month when they stowed away to New Zealand...

I got spanked once when I was 6 for going to a neighbor's without permission...and Stephanie and Michelle get only grounded for stowing away to New Zealand?

That's a choice of discpline though. I can't ever remember any parent on TV spanking their child. (correct me if I'm wrong) At the age they were, a month is a LONG punishment. I used to be devestated at being grounded for a week.

Im not saying Stephanie and Michelle should have been spanked, I was just pointing out the..ridiculousness of the punishment comparatively. He could always have made them write 500 times, " I will not go to New Zealand without permission!"

Well,I'm just happy I don't have Danny Tanner as a parent.

I guess the reason we don't see TV spankings is because someone will call it child abuse, and the stations will gets billions of angry emails andregualr mail. But, I digress.

Let's not forget:

*The leaf collection with and without the little bugs on them in the house

*Flooding Danny's (and the girls?) bathroom

*Running the car into the kitchen

*Pouring cemement into the kitchen...

I could go on and on. Those girls did a lot of things that would have gotten me killed if I would have done them when younger and they normally got off with a very light punishment and an even lighter lecture that ended in hugs and kisses all around.

In later years, Michelle could have murdered the neighbors and worn their faces as Halloween masks and all the guys would have laughed and said how cute "their little munchkin" was (yeah, I know that was a gross example but...you get what I'm saying)