Stephanie's age in the Disney World episode: they aired that out of order on ABC Family, I guess. I think she would have been in 5th grade, though, which is still "pushing it" to win a 'Princess for a Day' contest. When I was in 5th grade, I actually thrust an autograph book at "Alice in Wonderland" (Disneyworld) and she rudely asked "aren't you a little old..." Seriously....

DJ and Steve were needlessly serious. For some reason it rather annoyed me when DJ and Steve would hang out with Danny and Vicky and Jesse and Becky as if they were all the same age...

Thank you! And Dj had that little hissy fit when they all went on the Dating Show because she and Steve didn't know eachother as well as Jesse and Becky (hello! they're married!). It was sickening. I could see if they had been college age and on the marriage track, but it was a bit much for me.

Did anyone else catch the E! True Hollywood Story of Full House this evening? It didn't particularly reveal any major revelations about the show or anything that happened behind scenes, but it was pretty fun to watch.

Except that they had to cover anything and everything on the Olsens. Hearing more about anyone else would have been much more interesting.

I loved the parts that covered everyone else though. Too bad they wasted about an hour on the Olsens.

I watched it as well. What was funny to me was how the producers set the show up to all revealing and one step shy of scandalous (at least that's how I took it). It was all, GASP! Bob and John don't like it other! Then two seconds later, "But they resolved that tension quickly." Oh heavens! What wonderful behind the scenes dirt. [/sarcasm]

Nope. I thought so too.

Just caught their break-up at lunch today. DJ asked "Where is the heat? Where is the passion?"

Why do they have a 16-17 year old saying that?! Before I could even begin to ponder that question I started thinking that perhaps if the show went on, we could find out (on a very special episode) that Steve was gay. Afterall, 18 year old guys usually don't have too much trouble generating heat with their girlfriends......Red flag.

And DJ would be traumatized, and as a result, become the slut of San Francisco. Danny would have to intervene to give one of his patented Dad/daughter talks about the dangers of STD's. DJ would confess all of her deep dark secrets (to her dad. At age 17.) Heartwarming music would start up, and without a doubt, DJ would grin and end the talk with a "Thanks, Dad." The two would then joke and laugh as they wandered downstairs to gather around for a family meal. Aaaaaaaand....scene.

I caught part of an episode the other day - I guess Danny's recently asked Vicki to marry him, and she cooks dinner for the family.

I turned it off because I couldn't bear what I knew, remembered vividly, word-for-word, what happened at dinner: Vicki makes something with pesto, I think, and something with goat cheese, and everyone wrinkles their noses as though they're being served the most repulsive things in the world. Stephanie and Michelle say, "What is this stuff?" and "Gah-rooosssss!" and make faces. Even DJ and the adults act like ungrateful, unmannerly oafs.

I remember thinking when I saw it the first time that I'd have slapped all three rude, country-ass brats as hard as I could and hightailed it out of there.

It's a shame that the producers decided to kick Vicki out, just because it "wouldn't keep the show as good". I think it would have been better if Danny and Vicki got married.

Is that seriously why they called off their engagement? The evil pesto?

No, it was because the producers felt that a married Danny would go against the premise of a single man raising his kids.

But what happened on the show?
Did she just vanish?

Didn't she get a job in Chicago or something? And the long-distance thing didn't work? I seem to remember something like that happening.

Vicky got a job in NY and Danny couldn't dare uproot his family to go live with her.

Well, in fairness, there were a hell of a lot of them to uproot!

Yeah, heaven forbid they leave Uncle Jesse, Becky and the bruddahs behind!

Besides if they did that they'd have to rename the show "Empty Nest" and that's been done before.

I was so happy that Vicky took the job. I braced myself for that awful cliche storyline in which the person gets offered a great job far away, goes to the airport, then the loved one makes some sappy "I love you, please don't go" speech, and the person agrees not to go, and everyone in the airport applauds. It's almost always the woman who chooses to bypass the great job, by the way. So, yeah, I was actually impressed that they let Vicky go.

I was so disappointed that Danny and Vickie broke up and didn't stay together. I mean come on, why not? The girls would all have left and Jesse's family would have left eventually too. What would have happened to Danny since Joey got a g/f at the end too? Ugh, I loved Vickie!

I just saw the donkey episode.
I thought Michelle got what she deserved. Bringing home any animal that the entire family doesn't approve of, let alone a friggin' DONKEY, should be met with punishment.

I don't remember that one. Which season was it in?

Hated that donkey episode. Seriously, what idiot kid brings home a donkey? Stupid Michelle.

Hahah why does everyone hate Michelle? I thought she was so cute and adorable. I know no one likes the older Olsens now but what was wrong w/ MK&A when they were kids? I thought they were fantastic in FH, even if they were a bit annoying and bratty.

On the whole, I thought Michelle was annoying because she was treated like a little princess while the older girls, especially Stephanie, were more or less treated normally. (This may strike a nerve because I am The Neglected Middle Child of my family.) Also, I felt as though the writers were trying to shove her debateable adorableness down our throats, like with the repeated and incredibly tiresome catchphrase of "you got it, dude!" and the over-the-top cooing and applauding from the obviously drugged studio audience.

I never had anything in particular against the Olsens because I believe they were more or less shoved into the industry by their parents so they could become their little cashcows. I don't have anything against them today, either; I just want to pry the Starbucks from their tiny, tiny fingers and feed them both.

They couldn't act to save their lives. It was so obvious to me that there was someone offstage telling them what to say. The show did a lousy job of editing. They recited their lines like little robots. They had absolutely no clue what they were saying. And the "audience" would laugh at everything they did like it was the funniest thing ever. And I always hated how the writers had them acting like miniature adults instead of toddlers. There were alot of occasions when Michelle needed a good spanking. She got away with alot of things that Stephanie and DJ would have gotten punished for. Simply because they all thought she was "cute".

It's one thing for them to recite their lines but they had absolutely no clue what any of it meant. I think they would have been much cuter and alot less irritating if they had been written a little more realistically. I thought Jodie Sweetin did a much better job then the Olsen twins when the show first started. And she was written much better.

They had the "Roxie insults the family" episode. I can see inserting jokes about stupid Danny and Rebecca and even Jesse(since he was the club owner) but who CARES about DJ, Stephanie, and Michelle. Plus, I hate jokes when the situations comedians describe obviously did not really happen(like the who-would-care-if-they-had-happened descriptions of the Tanner girls fights). It's just something that bugs me.

Speaking of things that bug me, Joey's condescending behavior at the dinner table... "Roxie is just trying to be open in honest with you," said in a tone of voice usually reserved for reading stories to preschoolers.

And what was with the recycling of Star Search guests? Probably because they were on "Full House" shortly enough afterward, I recall both "Roxie" and "Derek" being on 'Star Search' (Roxie told jokes about her voice and Derek sang Broadway-type songs--huge change from their characters). Was it because of the "Star Search" episode(even though that was a few years before). They never picked cast "Star Search" contestants I really enjoyed (like Geechie Guy and Taylor Mason and his dummy).

Most people don't like Michelle because everyone flocked to her when she had a problem, while if DJ or Stephanie pulled anything she did, they would have been ridiculed. Also, it was REALLY annoying how Michelle got almost all the storylines of the last few seasons. Danny obviously played favorites with Michelle.

I wonder if the Michelle hate has anything to do with how old you were when you first watched the show? As an adult watching the show when it first came on I thought Michelle was a cute baby, Stephanie was a little charmer and DJ was old before her time.

As the girls got older I didn't like the way the show basically became the Jessie & Michelle show and everyone else was reduced to being supporting parts.

I didn't blame 6 yr old twins for it though! That was clearly a decision made by the producers and carried out by the writers for reasons that just may have made some sense given how incredibly popular the Olsen twins still when they left the show.

How much time do you have? Check out the previous pages, as we give lots and lots and lots of examples of Michelle being a complete and utter brat.

I have nothing against the Olsen twins. In fact, I feel quite sorry for them. But Michelle was a hateful, loathsome brat. That's not gonna change, even though the show went off the air ten years ago.

Heh, I was in it once. Late in the run, during the one where DJ and Steve pretended to be getting married and taking over Stephanie's room for some reason. I don't remember too much cooing over Michelle, but she was a bit older then.

Awww, not on the first page! Can't let that happen.

So today, I caught the episode where Danny and Gia's mom go out on a date and Michelle dresses up like a biker/hooker to turn her away.

I hate Michelle.

Ugh, I remember that. Dumb Michelle.

Anyway, I'm glad ABC Family's nearly done with the last season, so we can get back to pre-Michelle Show.

I just saw that episode as well. Horrible, skanky Michelle. She really does get away with everything, which I never noticed til I started re-watching the show and coming to this thread. The second she isn't getting all of the attention, she acts atrociously (I just saw another ep where she sabotaged the house showing being she didn't want to move). Yet she is completely justified since her intentions are always noble and sweet and exist to teach us the lesson of the week.

What was up with DJ's boyfriend who was in Jesse's band? I don't remember him at all. Speaking of Jesse's band, my god, the early 90s were not a good time for fashion.

Heads up -- the finale and the pilot are showing today on ABC Family. I have not seen either, but the snark you've brought makes me eager.

Heh. Viper. He was such a douchebag.

I kind of liked the episode where Viper and Nelson duked it out for DJ's love. Then she dumped both of them a la Kelly Taylor. That was fun.

Viper and DJ were such an odd couple. That being said, I liked Viper better than I liked Nelson. Even though he raped Tiffani-Amber Thiessen in a Lifetime movie.

Aw, Viper. And his rockin' curly mullet. (Also, my favorite Lifetime movie of his is the one where he and Holly Marie Combs killed this chick and then they went into the Air Force. True story!)

This made me laugh out loud, evil person that I am.

I found a thoroughly random and highly amusing article regarding a prequel to this show last night.

My favorite part:

That was Viper?! Good gah, I thought he was so cute in that movie, albeit his murderous ways and all.



Ahahahaha...

I totally agree. I loathe Michelle, but as far as real people go, I never have and still don't dislike the Olsens. The real people (as opposed to tv characters) that I hate are the writers who made up all of the Michelle plots, the audience members who oohed and ahhed over her, the person who encourages the audience to make those sounds, the execs who decided to start centering the show around Michelle, and the people in the general public who thought she was the most adorable kid ever.

The same kind of idiot that when given the chance to have any item in an appliance store free of charge, they choose a cardboard cutout of the owner of the store and his parrot mascot. God I hate her.

Ugh. That was the worst, passing up a big screen tv for that damn cardboard cutout. I hated how, when Steph and D.J. would argue over something, Danny had to jump in and give the decision (or the Counting Cars...oops, Counting Crows tickets) to that obnoxious brat.

God, that was horrible. Seriously, was she "special?" Was that supposed to be "cute" or "funny" or something?

The kicker was that Danny acted like giving up a big screen TV and karaoke machine was okay, as long as Michelle got what she wanted.

(And just because I have it going through my brain today....) "We human! We're pudding! We're HUMAN PUDDING!"

Most intense Hate. Michelle. Moment: Princess for a day at Disney World.

Seriously, is there anyone who doesn't think that Michelle was a snotty, spoiled brat?

Many of us couldn't agree more with Princess For a Day. I mean, it's a good thing Stephanie got a LITTLE bit at the end, but it doesn't make up for Michelle's brattiness.

"They have bad attitudes!" Look in the mirror, Michelle.

Alas! They're back to airing season one on Nick at Nite. The episodes where Michelle couldn't talk or be a brat. Good times, IMO.

I don't care for Michelle as a baby, either. I remember some episode where a woman ridiculously describes Michelle as "the cutest baby she'd ever seen." Was Michelle the FIRST baby she'd ever seen or something?