That flub of his was good today. I think that's a sign that you're using a catchphrase a little too much, Phil!

One question about how FUF wrapped up today. So now it's a whole new Marty being a scary dad thing. Why the hell wasn't this brought up before? They may be overdramatizing it to hype it up for next week, but they're making it look like a real issue.

It looks like Marty is bristling more at the show now. Maybe he and Stacy of FUF2 should get together and be vain and clueless together.

Marty all of a sudden cares about what his girls are doing?! Pfft. Yeah right. It's for the show only, to keep him from looking like a worse father than he already is. I couldn't believe DP actually said Alex was a smart girl, that gave me the biggest HEE!! of all.

Alex's new boy looked like a fatter, less attractive, even less articulate Justin Timberlake. That's sad. Alex will be having sex with him within the month if she hasn't already. She really is a moron. I want to know what she was lying about. I have nothing to say about Erin except she looked hideous this episode. What'd she do to her face?

what's the deal with teasing us with secret? he usually has no shame in exploiting this stupid family, why stop now!?

I was appalled (o, not again) today when DP purposely held off, until the end of the show, the dropping of his own little bomb that li'l miss slutski had most likely, most probably and perhaps certainly already had sex with the new kid on the block.

Cheap, cheap, cheap, ratings, ratings, ratings. And Robin tweeting to him as they walked off, "oh, awsome, that was awesome"! GAH.

If only Marty had not had that lobotomy, he just might have been able to figure things out. How do you take a Dad who's never been a Dad and all of a sudden, expect him to act fatherly when his daughter is already 16 yrs. old!

Alex really pissed me off with, "I'm not having sex until I'm married, how many times do I have to spell that out for people?" but yet, "I want to go on the Pill to be responsible." If you're not going to have sex until you're married, why do you need to go on the Pill, honey? To gain an extra 10 pounds that Lord knows you could do without and to grow some nice new body hair? Are all 15-year-olds as idiotic and inarticulate as her? Stupid slut. And her new boyfriend is a fat ugmo.

I caught that, too!

I caught it three, I guess Dr. Phil was up late watching Minority Report. Actually, I guess the converse is kind of true if you take future behavior to mean the present and right around the corner.

Actually, I thought the boyfriend was really cute and I was ready to sleep with him myself and since my name is Alex too there shouldn't be any problem though he'll probably wonder why she grew a beard.

I was COMPLETELY disgusted with Dr. Phil!

He TOTALLY exploited them yet again with the "Alex has secretly been fucking!" SHOCKER REVEAL and made Alex look like a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR rather then a girl with few options in an excessively strict/fucked-up household who lied a couple times because she didn't want trouble and thought she could get away with it.

It would have been much more appropriate for him to discuss this either off-camera or at the very least away from the audience.

I wonder how Erin & Marty feel after this ambush?

I would have been like:

"You're supposed to be helping us, so why the fuck didn't you say something before we were in front a of a live studio audience? Thanks for nothing, shithead!"

Besides which, I think Alex is old enough to be having sex with a guy so long as he's decent, they use protection, and she's careful. It's these delusional and conservative values that are warping her, not the emerging power of her cooter over lustful young men. Don't any of these conservative purists whom are lurking in the Bible Belt understand that forcing people to "Wait until marriage!" often puts pressure on people to RUSH into marriage with incompatible partners whom they will then have bitter divorces from and wreck their children's lives over later? Wake up and smell the Latte!

It was so "sweet" to see Jay And The Virgins Till We Marry Posse dispensing their Sage Advice and lies about their purity and the unlustful eyes of men when it comes to nubile young wenches, batting their eyes, with willing thighs, and low self-esteem yet again.

Looks like Marty's gonna get yelled at for not being a sensitive woman next week.

Gosh, I thought it was her self-absorbed, emotionally unavailable mother and her lying cheating father that were warping her. There are LOTS of conservatives in this world, many who wait till marraige, who live perfectly happy, fulfilled and unwarped lives. Crikey! Seems to me there are just as many f-ed up folks with liberal values as there are consersavative folks. Screwed up doesn't have much to do with one's political stand point or even as much to do with one's values, as with one's emotional health and self image. By the way, as a result of my warped conservative values I waited until I met my future husband to have sex, I was 22, and I delt with a lot less emotional baggage than most of my girlfriends who started having sex earlier. There are many things about the religious far right I think are warped and crazy, but encouraging a 15 year old to wait to have sex is not one of them.

Sorry, had to respond to that, I'm a very pissy missy today.

Pissy Missy, here hon. Have a cocktail and pull up a chair.

Soapy, you are still totally my TWOP boyfriend, but I think you called this one all wrong. I hate Marty and Erin with the fire of a million hot burning suns, but I really don't think they can totally be blamed for having Slutzilla for a daughter.

Don't get me wrong...that family and their homelife is just a disaster. I don't think it can or should be used by Dumbass Slut Alex as a get-out-of-jail-free card for more trampy, irresponsible behavior.

She's 15. When I was 15, I knew better than to have sex, because I knew that I would seriously screw my life up if I got knocked up at that point. I had a steady boyfriend then. We got awfully passionate sometimes. I never let him into Fort Complicated. He respected that, and he continued to date me.

15 is old enough to know better, unless you are an ignorant slut like Alex.

Slutzilla is also a liar. She's shady in the extreme. I do agree that Shill was WAY wrong to ambush Erin and Marty like that, but I LOVED IT when he confronted the stupid slut with her lies. The look on her face was just priceless. Some sluts just never learn, I guess.

It would seem to me that if I was dumb enough to have a baby at 15, with all of the residual fallout, ain't no penis getting near my cooter for at least a couple of years afterward. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true. How stupid is this girl to have already had sex four months after the birth of her son.

Erin and Marty are total wusses. Too much time explaining their motivations to Slutzilla, too many justifications for their discipline. It should be "You aren't doing this because I said so. You aren't doing this because you were stupid enough to get knocked up a year ago. You aren't going there because you have four-month-old piece of proof that you cannot be trusted. You aren't going out because you need to take care of your son, the son you insisted on keeping."

Slutzilla, you want a driver's license? Sorry, nope. You can't be trusted to behave responsibly.

Slutzilla, you want to date a new boy? I don't think so, dearie. You can't be trusted to be around boys without spreading your legs.

Slutzilla, you want to hang out with friends? Think again. You aren't a teenager any longer. You're a mother. Now raise your child. The child you simply HAD to keep.

A lot of the problem in that house is that no one has any consequences. Marty cheats all over the damn place, and he's forgiven. Alex is a teenaged tramp and she gets rewarded with a fancy diving trip.

Oh, and if I hear them say "bad choices" or "bad decisions" one more time in reference to something Slutzilla did, I am going to scream. Maybe we can add that to the Dr. Shill Drinking Game.

This is what drives me nuts! They need to say "No, you are the child, we are the parents and we make the rules. You have proven that you make bad choices so from here on out we'll making the choices for you.". I think they follow the school of thought that says you should be your kids friend and not thier parent. It's nice if you can be your childs friend but that's not your main role when they are growing up. Be their parent and when they are grown, they can look back on all the tough stuff you did for (and to!) them and grateful for it and then you can be friends.

Heh.

Double heh.

The FUF has really been getting to me. I found myself thinking about it last night, when I was trying to relax. Sigh. I guess what bothers me is that I just don't see how Marty and Erin are going to stop Alex from getting preggers again. She's just too in the mindset that she has to have a boyfriend and at this point, having a boyfriend for her is going to involve sex.

I don't know if there is anything they can do to change the way she sees things now. It might be too late. I started thinking about how I was raised. I think what they did was to give me and my siblings options. They showed us what was possible in the world --education, travel, fulfilling careers, volunteer work, etc. So, I knew that having a boyfriend wasn't all there was to life and I always knew that getting pregnant before I was ready to be a mother and an adult would not only hold me back, but also hold the child back. I really think that's what made the difference.

So, maybe instead of Alex just looking for love from a male, as Phil insists, she really just doesn't know what else to do with her life or how else to validate her existance or even just have fun.

I think you may have something, LisaLyn27. I was never raised to believe I needed a man in my life to make me happy, my mother never felt that way or gave me that feeling. I, like Alex, did not have a reliable male influence in my teen years, yet there's such a difference in our outcomes. I believe Erin and Marty just did a piss poor job of instilling any kind of beliefs in Alex that would make her a better person/adult. They were far too busy being asshats.

I think the issue with Alex is not so much that she doesn't have a reliable male influence, but that she has (and always has had) a male influence, living in the house, telling her she is is favorite, the apple of his eye, and still being totally unavailable to her. So the prize is always in sight, and nothing she does can ever get it for her.

What I do not understand is why no one said to her, back when she was all "I must keep this child, no matter what!", "Okay, fine. But if you keep it, you will be its mother, and this is what that will mean..." followed by laying out the consequences. I mean, she doesn't have a job, so that time she said, "I can afford a baby sitter" what she meant was "My parents are still giving me money".

And then the whole song and dance about how she will be getting her driver's license soon, and woe is Erin and Marty, they will have even less control than they do now. Idiots. She's a minor. She can't get a license without their written permission. It's about time someone said "No" to that child and stuck with it.

I missed part of yesterday's FUF ep- did Alex actually admit that she had sex after she gave birth to Nathan? Because if she did, that is a deal breaker. There will be no boyfriend, there will be no car, there will be birth control, though, because I am not naive enough to think that she is not going to sneak around and get knocked up again.

What is it about these two twits that their entire lives revolve around boys! I remember 15, it was only 11 years ago, and while I was boy crazy, I had so many other things to occupy my time: extra-curriculars, church, family, SCHOOLWORK! And their compulsive need to have boyfriends- Alex has already had two guys coming around since the birth? What the fuck? I am two months away from having Borokat Jr. and let me tell you the last thing on my mind for awhile will be hooking up w/ Mr. Borokat (God bless him).

And can I reiterate how much I hate Marty, I know I rant about him about once a week, but I think he is a fake, smarmy tool. I am so glad that Katherine called him on acting one way on TV and another at home- I knew it. To yell at the girls when they get off camera and then wonder why they are screwed up? Fucker.

Professor Soap:

While I'll agree that waiting until marriage to have sex isn't necessary, I do think waiting until you're an adult is. If a teenager wants to have sex and feel all those yummy feelings, there's always masturbation (30 million teenage boys can't be wrong!). Most teens simply aren't mature enough to handle sexual situations and possible consequences (such as pregnancy and disease). They're still in the "can't happen to me!" stage.

I thought DP was being pretty shitty when he told Alex he could tell us who she slept with, where it was, and when it happened... but he wanted her to tell the audience. That seemed like a trick to me. If he had the proof, I'm sure he would've shown it by now.

Though when he said, "I know who..." I thought, "Oh my God. It was Jay!! EWWWWW!"

I call my mother every Tuesday so we can both bitch about what a sociopath Stacy is, but I actually caught some of the First DP Family the other day. I cracked up when Alex was telling the plane story, because she said it in a tone like she deserved a medal for not breaking down and banging the entire football team on the plane right there.

Anyway, I was chatting to my mother about how I don't understand how Alex has TIME to date. If I was her mom, I would agree to only watch Nathan until 4 pm or whenever Alex got home from school, and then MAYBE I would watch him again for an hour in the evening to allow Alex to do any homework. But other than that, the ground rules would be clear: "Alex, once the last bell rings you hightail your butt home and you take care of your kid. You are a mother now, that means no more partying with your friends on weekends, no more going to the movies with boys, no more hanging around the field smoking with your friends for an hour after school. Once you got pregnant you gave all that up. No, you will not have fun, you will not watch Sex and the City and all the latest movies and have stuff to talk with your friends about, because you will be too busy wiping up poop." I wouldn't give her money, either: if the kid needed diapers I would go buy them MYSELF, no money directly to Alex. And if she wants to get a job and I was her mother, I would insist that Alex pay some money out of her paycheck to me if she wanted me to watch the kid (I would turn around and spend the money only on Nathan of course, it's the principle of the thing).

My mother said she suspects that Alex throws a hissy fit and goes out anyway, and her mother can't just ignore Nathan, so she ends up taking care of him and thus Alex knows that her mother will take care of Nathan anyway, no matter what she does.

Damn, FUF1 is really fucked up. I mean, reading you guys' posts I always knew that they were screwed but I always thought that it was normal screwed; these people Kennedy's-esque scandalous, skeleton-in-the-closet fucked up. All they need is a bloated, red-faced family member packed to the hilt with whiskey, bloody marys, and vodka. One of the most telling statements about the family dynamic came from Erin was (paraphrasing it badly) "Sex is powerful and women can use it to control men Alex, but you shouldn't be doing that at the age of 15." Ah, so it's alright to excercise this power when your older. Instead of using your brains to get what you want, you should use your vagina; now I see how Erin maintains the upper hand in her marriage. Now that Marty has been outed as a verbally abusive asshat (well, I always knew he was an asshat; I ain't blind), I totally see how Alex ended up like she did. Erin is a very weak woman and the only power she has is through sex; she can't use sex to conquer her daughter so she can't control her at all.

P.S. I am so calling my vagina a fort from now one, complicatedgirl. That is just too cool of a name for it.

Whoa, really? In Ontario we can be orphans and street kids and stuff; you just need to be 16.

Alex, as Dr. Pill said, has a hunger for male attention. She's not getting anywhere on her intellect, so she puts out for white trash (yeah, I said it!) guys like T---- (I think it's Tyler) and doesn't think to duhhhhhhh, use a condom and some spermicide.

A big fat WORD to that! Sorry to generalize, but I don't think anyone should be having sex before they're 18.

Was there any talk of safe sex with Alex? I swear these people are only afraid that Alex will get pregnant again. Are they not even thinking of potential deadly STDs this kid could get? Instead of putting her on the Pill, which comes with it's own drawbacks, give the kid a package of condoms.

I'd say give her the Pill and a pack of condoms, royvac, since condoms aren't as effective as the Pill in preventing pregnancy but would help provide protection against STDs.

I will repeat myself and say the first woman on the plastic surgery show has total Muppet face.

Muppet face! Bwah hah! Exactly! My fish have better looking lips. Poor thing. She should sue but she won't, too stupid. "I wanna do it again 'til I get it right". Oy!

maybetomorrow: You are so right! That's what I'd say. Forget about boys, honey, until you're old enough to earn your own living. Talk about codependant families! And, silly me, I thought they were getting 'better'. You've got to hand it to Phil, he is the best muckraker I've ever seen. Am I surprised? Hell, no! You've got to pay for that 37million dollar mansion somehow. And the $100 pots of face cream, no less.

Did these parents not tell their daughter that the typical teenage fun and games would be over once she decided to keep this baby? What is WRONG with them? No. She doesn't have a 'right' to be a 'typical teenager'. She has the responsibility for her baby for the next 20+ years. And, so it goes. sigh.

Outstanding point. I have watched every episode of the Fucked Up Family, and I can't remember HIV, the clap, herpes, warts, chlamydia, syphillis mentioned once.

Right on, complicated girl and pissy missy! I'll reserve a table and a round of cocktails for us all after the next FUF1 show!

We can drink everytime SucmsuckerMarty opens his eyes up wide and tries to think of a conherent sentence (after being jolted from his daydream of fucking audience members and BotoxRobin.)

Someone needs to tell Slutzilla that Fort Alexandra needs a barricade --or only allow visitors in raincoats.

ComplicatedGirl, I would pay cash money to hear Shill say, "the clap" in a sentance to one of his guests!

And I'd pay DOUBLE that to see the expression on Robin's "Botoxed" face after he said it!

Heeeee!!!

I agree with this but I don't think the parents are necessarily passive, I think most are just exhausted; getting up early in the morning, traveling hours to a job, working, rushing to pick up the child, cooking dinner, maybe helping the child with homework and then getting to bed. Now if the parent is single, or has more than one job it's even worse. A lot of parents just don't have any help if they have a difficult child. I think that girl's mother was just tired but if she doesn't change she'll end up behind bars for a long time.



No, but it helps the people watching who might agree with the fool, Dr. Phil looks at the camera and says, "this fool's got to be kidding." some people don't know how stupid they look until confronted with it.

That Dwana girl ticked me off, she thinks her life is tough, give me a fucking break, life isn't meant to be a cakewalk baby. Good thing she doesn't live in NYC, I get groped on the subway all the time and I haven't beat anyone down yet.

No kidding!! There was a show once during the "deliberation" phase, where a couple of other teen moms were talking about how hard things were, and how they hadn't realized it might be. One poor young thing cried and cried, and you could tell was one step from saying, "I made a mistake in keeping my baby," but of course, didn't. She was trying, but had realized she was in over her head. I really, really wish they had explored more of that. (And what is Alex going to do on her 21st birthday, when Nathan is 6 and has spelling words to study, and little league practice, and math facts to learn???) Argh.

Instead, we get Alex whisking off to the Caribbean to have a vacation. If I was Erin, I'd say, "Great, I'll come, too!" and see who would jump in to babysit. Yeah, right...

I wrote:



Pink Mayuri expressed surprise about this:



They live in Florida, right? Here's the relevant state rule for Florida:



So where do these people get off thinking that Alex is inevitably going to get her license on her 16th birthday? And even if she does, she can't possibly afford to buy and maintain a car of her own unless they finance it, so this helpless whining about her being mobile and less available for them to know where she is and what she is up to is total bullshit. All they need is for someone to teach them the word "no".

I think the FUF's from Texas. My home state is not being well represented on the Dr. Phil show, between Dr. Phil himself and the FUF. All people from Texas are not fucked up!

Of course, I left Texas at 16 and haven't been back. So maybe I got out just in time.

Hee, I live smack dab in the middle of TX (oh man did I just sound Texan with that?) and I have to agree this show makes us look like a bunch of morons. It's an ok state though. If I ever see the FUF around here I'll be sure and kick some ass.

I'm watching the DP Bio right now and wahhh poor us we grew up poor in TX but now I'm rich. Love me!! Gah, shut up.

I thought Katherine and Alex had to fly from Florida to Dallas to visit Jay at SMU?

Anyway, according the Texas Driver's Handbook, 16-year-olds can only get licenses if they have passed an approved education/training program. According to my friends, who are parents of a Texas 16-year-old champing at the bit to get a license, parents have to pay for and approve in writing a minor's enrollment in such a course.

Even if she manages to get a license, it's not like they have to provide her with a car. Or permit her to drive it.

I think FUF#1 (The Brauns - Erin, Marty, Katherine, Alexandra) are from the Jacksonville area of Florida.

Jeezus Pete how fucking insightful is that passage? And yet asshats like Shill has the show.....pitiful. I've given Marty the benefit of the doubt, since I think living with Erin must be punishment for being an axe-murderer in a previous life, but after Katherine's comments about how he acts after the show he can rot.

Sorry Professor but I have to disagree with you. I was in college at 16 and became sexually active at that time, and it was too early. My situation, luckily went a different way from Alex, but only because the local health clinic gave seminars in the dorms, made sure all services were free even to stupid minors like me, and provided drivers. I'm still going to cast stones at this chick, though, because she revels in being ignorant and irresponsible and sponging off her clueless parents. What is going to happen to these people when the cameras get turned off? What of poor Nathan?

And yes, they live in Florida, my adopted home state. We abound with people with more money than sense, more money than taste, crappy upbringing and zero manners who all seem to make the news or shows like DP.

What about statutory rape? Does Alex's pregnancy not qualify for statutory rape? I would have thought that DCFS in FL would at least investigate and question the parents especially as it's so high-profile. The parents were/are negligent, plain and simple.

Yes, I know that 12 yr olds are having babies also and statutory rape has gone the way of the corset but if parents were made to take responsibility for their children, there might be fewer babies having babies.

I'm pretty sure that the boy who got Alex pregnant is not over the age of consent himself so statutory rape wouldn't apply. It's my understanding that the following is the definition of statutory rape:

I don't know where I got the idea they were from Texas. Sorry, y'all.

I thought that I even remembered Erin telling Alex that if she kept the baby she would have to be the mother, and that Erin wasn't going to do everything. But it all changed once Nathan was born. I remember that episode being a really jarring transition from the stuff that had come before - they just stopped talking about Alex and moved right on to "fixing" Katherine and the parents.

Okay, sure - once you actually have the baby and are going to keep it, you stop the discussions about whether you really want it. But it seemed like they were all overcome by the sweet little newborn, and they were all smiles and love, and Alex got baby presents, and DP didn't bother continuing the discussions about childcare and responsibility and all that. And now it's coming back to bite them all in the ass, and I think DP's got to take some responsibility too. He's been making the episodes all about the girls dating and Marty and Erin's sex life and the tearjerker episodes of finding Marty's dad and acted like a girl who managed to get pregnant at 15 would adjust to being a teenage mom without problems. Idiot.


Perhaps a bit OT, but did anyone else see today's Dilbert strip? (You can see it online at the Dilbert Website, it's on the front page now or will be in the archives for March 29th.) I was howling, and I'm surprised nobody else had mentioned it here yet. One gets the impression Scott Adams might have the same guilty TV pleasures as us....

Alex and her FUF is just like any other FUF who is stupid enough to keep the illegitimate child, instead of giving it a proper home: they are blinded by the whole "babies are so cyooooot" syndrome.

Yes, yes indeed they are. I love me some tiny babies. I love me some year-old babies. I love me some 18-month old babies.

I hate me some two-year-old terrors.

Newsflash for Alex and FUF: BABIES GROW UP. Sure, he's fun when he's all tiny and dependent and his care is relatively easy. What about when he's teething and screaming all night? What about when he's really sick for the first time? What about when he becomes a toddler and engages in full-force bratdom?

That's part of the circle of life, part of growing up. Adults have to go into it with their eyes wide open. Babies are fun; children often aren't. When you are an adult, you find wonder in both stages. When you are an ingnorant teenage tramp with braindead, self-absorbed parents, you are blinded by the cyoooot bayyyybeee and totally gobsmacked when that baby grows up.

I was speaking to a friend of mine about this very subject recently. His daughter is two and a half, and being rather difficult (as kids that age are prone to do). He was up until 4:00am the previous night as she suffered from the stomach flu. She vomited half-digested hot dogs and chocolate milk all over him. THAT is parenting.

Sorry, I can't see anyone in that FUF making that type of sacrifice. Well, not without the Shill holding their hands and allowing Erin to spew forth "ultimatums" and "platitudes" that mean ultimately nothing.

A lot of Bad Decisions there, in that family.

DonutGirl, as if I needed another reason to love Dilbert.

Aha, you're right. The kid was only 15. Thanks!

Also, with tomorrow's listing, I'm wondering if DP might be putting the FUF2 family on hold. Damn. I know Chris very well and was hoping that something/anything DP would say might convince Chris to leave that bitch. Everyone that knows him has been hoping the same. Chandler is so messed up and is such an unhappy child. He clings to Chris constantly and cries way too much for any normal child. It's really sad to see. No one can figure out why he's staying with her and he's been given every opportunity to leave both by his family and the few friends she "allows" him to have.

It would only confirm my opinion that DP is a jerk using people for his own aggrandisement. He's in over his head and he's being made a fool of. Stacy is there for the attention...she loves being on TV and Brianne, the brat, now wants to be an actress. She's also loving the TV attention and takes full advantage of her part in this hoping DP will get her a part on TV.

All round, it's sick and it's interesting to see who's the bigger patsy.

Is it really that healthy that the 19 year old on today's show lost 80 pounds in 4 months? I've always been under the assumption that the healthiest weight loss (and the loss that is most likely to stay gone) is around 1-2 pounds per week. I'd think that losing 5 pounds a week is a little too much. Maybe I'm wrong and she lost a bunch in the first couple of weeks or something.

One of the reasons I loathe the shows with BubbleButt (Jay) is that it seems more of a cult. I don't really know how to explain it...we've got Jay attempting to sound like he knows what he's talking about, but in reality he doesn't have the right training to preach about weight loss. Jay normally fails in his attempt to talk to the guests, so DrShil ends up interrupting him. These episodes are very uncomfortable to watch.

You know him? Holy shit on toast, why in God's name did he put himself through this?? The show or the marriage. As someone grandly put, Marty and Erin watch Chris and Stacy and go, "Man, that's fucked up."

Hexele, it wasn't his idea. Stacy was the one to write in asking for help to "straighten out Chris and Michael". It was an ultimatum to Christian and he didn't have the balls to say no.

There's something missing in his makeup. I don't know what it is but it's as tho' he doesn't have the common sense, the decency to refrain from exhibiting himself as someone's challenge (which is what DP has referred to this family). On the first show, Stacy said that she couldn't remember how many men she's slept with. Stacy is clearly a sociopath. Christian was/is NOT that way but in reality is a very kind, very generous and loving guy. He just got snookered by this bitch and no one can figure out why or how it happened.

Why did he marry her? Believe me, after everyone heard the story of her life, we all but screamed "don't marry her". Go figure. I can't.

Perhaps one of the wise ones on this board may have a clue.

I believe this, just from what we've seen of him so far. He does seem like a kindhearted man who just wants to have a nice life with a nice wife and some children (something that most men his age want). I could see him being perfectly happy with a stay at home wife and the little children and he would work his tail off to provide a nice life for them. Why do I get the feeling that PsychoStacy's spending is wildly out of control?

I have heard criticism of the fact that Chris sells cars for a living. Actually, you can make a very good living by doing this, even in this rotten economy. Cars are something people always need. I believe that he can make a go of it, especially if his family situation calms down a bit.

What is the name of the son who lives with his father...husband number 2? Why don't we hear more about him? If his dad is smart, he will keep his little boy as far away from Dr. Shill as possible. Does Stacy ever see that son?

I think the biggest slap in the face to Chris is Boden (what kind of a name is that?). It's one thing to lie down with another man. It's quite another to have that man's baby. I don't believe for a second that proper birth control was used during that affair. I do believe that Boden was a malicious act on Stacy's part. I understand that religious reasons may preclude her from aborting the fetus. There is no excuse to continue to see Boden after the child is adopted.

Funny that Tallulah should mention Brianne. Am liking her less and less as the weeks progress. The margarita pie debacle? Not a big deal, the more I think about it. These people seem like Mormons only when it is prudent for them to be. Faith shouldn't be like that.

Total word to this! All Jay ever manages to say to these kids is "uhhh good job and erm....don't be sad." Yeah, and??? That one little boy really seemed to be hating the weight loss challenge! They just plain didn't want to admit it. I was mainly listening and not watching so I don't even know what he looked like, but I think he was one of the first to send in a video about the challenge.

And that one chick that works out 3 hours a day/wakes up at 3am? She's going to be burnt out in 6 months and I'm sad they didn't tell her to slow the fuck down. She's going to start hating working out and that's no way to be when you're fat. Stupid Shill and big butted Shill Jr.

Anwering email and ck-ing this board.

Yes, Chris is selling cars but it's not going well. Everyone is recognizing him from the show and car sales, at least for him, is down. No one wants to take him seriously, so he says. He has to pass off his customers to someone else if they're ready to leave the lot. Selling cars is a bitch! And he knows it. He wants to teach golf but has no confidence at this point.

He's a fairly simple guy, intellectually and every other way. He just wants to be happy. Now that he's stuck with the bitch, he THINKS he should stay with her for Chandler. Wrong. Chandler would be better off without her.

The name of the other child is Braeden and no, Stacy's not seen him that often. The father of Braden is very protective at this point, and is trying to stabilize him.

No one can possibly tell why Christian stayed with Stacy after Bohden. He left her for a couple of months but she finagled him back...telling him it was his fault that she had to screw another guy. She's truly a bad seed.

And don't be fooled by Brianne's tears and fears. She's a manipulator just like her mother. As I said in my first post, Stacy married Chris because he wanted to be a golf professional playing on the tour. She saw money, money, money. And fame. And, someone to get her out of debt. Hah. Never going to happen now.

Nothing to say other than this cracked my shit up.

Did I just hear matronly-butted Jay (like I should talk) call Fashion Bug a hip and trendy store?

Thank you for a great chuckle.

I agree Stacy's one seriously messed up, selfish woman, I just can't work up much sympathy for Chris. It's not like she was his high school sweetheart who later went bad. As a golf pro he must have had his pick of nice women and he chose one with a whopping reputation. He reminds me of a some books I once stole a peek at in the men's soft porn section of my local bookstore. A whole series about "Angel", a young hooker, and the gallant man who wants to save her. The guys who bought the books must have had some kind of fantasy of being the one who finally satisfies all her needs while still getting a thrill from thinking of her with all those other men. Maybe I'm all wrong but he both sides of the relationship seem unhealthy to me.

Nothing to see here, folks......

I would just like to give a big,fat,motherfucking word to complicatedgirl. Everyone wants kids until you're actually forced to take care of them for an extended period of time. My baby brother was born when I was 8 years old and by the age of 11, I did not want to have children. He had colic, he projectile vomited on me every day until he turned 1, and he was a holy terror when he was two/three. Children take infinite amounts of sacrifice, time, and patience and teenagers are too selfish and self-involved to offer all of these things wholeheartedly (I'm not trying to come down on teenagers, as I am one myself, but we are by nature selfish creatures). If I ever have children, it won't be until I'm at least in my late '20s/early 30's.