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sarcastic chick

Will you keep us posted on the results?[/quote]
I certainly will try. :) Hopefully, there will be another article with the results.

You crazy Canadians![/quote]
Sadly, I'm just a crazy American. I hope Bush wins all of his categories, though he has some tough competition.

I do think Phil should have been nominated for "Stupidity Award for Reckless Endangerment of the Planet."
KettlePorn
I want him to win, and yet I do not want to jinx him.

I too, Ribbit, was annoyed early on by the way Phil takes the stage--slightly hulking and stooped, as if he fully intended to ram tackle the first row of his audience. Looked both intimidating and sloppy, Poppy. So I sent him a snail mail to make that very point. And it was not acknowledged. And he did not write back. And I even enclosed a very nearly naked photo of Gloria Swanson, his contemporary.

Guess there's just no way to get Phil's attention, even when he's making a big, fat, shiney-pated hind end of himself. He should get that we share because we care. And Springer is no longer in my market.
Want2Sleep

And he did not write back. And I even enclosed a very nearly naked photo of Gloria Swanson, his contemporary.[/quote]

I laughed so hard I think I hurt myself....
Tunia

There's *something* about the way he stalks onto stage that makes me think he's laced up pretty tight...[/quote]

Geez, and I thought he just didn't make it to the potty in time for his entrance.....
KettlePorn
Yay! Today was porn-addicted fiance!

PHIL:Porn is nasty
FIANCE:I'm not nasty
PHIL:I didn't mean you. But pornography is for dirty pervs!
FIANCE:I'm not a dirty perv.
PHIL:I didn't mean you! But pornography is viewed by crusty men with palm boils
FIANCE:I'm not--
PHIL:I didn't mean you!

Heeeee! Pour some wussy on me...
parsleysage

Yay! Today was porn-addicted fiance![/quote] Was that the one where Shill tells them not to get married in 2 weeks until he is cured of his adiction? And some poster said earlier she worked with the guy, and it was all a ploy for the famewhore girlfriend to get on Shill??
MyraA
From what I can remember one of the poster's boyfriend worked with the guy. Said he was a nice fellow. She apparently wanted to be on tv.
rosenrosen
Maybe that's just the story they give to people after possibly regretting airing their dirty laundry on Dr. Phil. I wouldn't doubt that there are guests who make things up to get on tv though. There are a lot of famewhores out there who think that any kind of attention is good.
Yo Nurse
I just watched the show with the sex fetish, porn and dysfunction guests and I need to ask a question. When the porn guy said he looks at internet porn 3-4 hours per week, was that excessive? Does anyone think that necessarily signals an addiction (besides Dr. Phil)? It seems like it would be a little much, but I'm not a guy, so I don't know.
I had a hard time buying into the whole sex-work-as-exploitation thing. As evidenced by my screen name, I don't do it and never have, but it seems like it could be a valid and lucrative option for someone. Maybe I'm naive....
Too bad they didn't spend more time with the doesn't like sex lady. Seems like her issues are waaaay deeper than Dr Phil is prepared for. I just find it hard to believe that in a few weeks with the right thought process she'll be right as rain.
bedroom dancing

When the porn guy said he looks at internet porn 3-4 hours per week, was that excessive?[/quote]
I think it's excessive for someone in a committed and monogamous relationship. I don't necessarily think he should be looking towards porn for sexual relief. Now, I'm not saying he should feel guilty for being attracted to other people. Attraction is natural and you really can't help it. I also don't think he shouldn't masturbate. If he really feels a need to do it, or the wife is "not in the mood", then he should have every right to masturbate. But to porn? I'm not sure I agree with that. I think he's probably addicted if he *needs* porn or if he can't get aroused without it or the images it can contain. His revelation that it would be hard to go without it leads me to believe that he has some sort of addiction to porn. It's incredibly common.

I'm not sure I agree with his assumption that watching porn is a "normal guy thing." I'd say it's more of a "common guy thing" than a "normal guy thing." But, of course, everyone has a different idea of what normal is.
BetyBee
Didn't see this one first time around. Hair fetish guy who slept with 100 hookers - um,
lady who looks as sweet as pie, leave the guy
yesterday!

As for porn guy, I'd be bothered by that level of solo porn viewing in my mate. Love the way Phil admired his honesty. Didn't his fiancee say he lies about it all the time? Phil probably went easy on him because he found her attractive because as we all know the rules are easier for the pretty folks. Even if she is a famewhore, if the story's true, I don't think they'll be happy together because he chooses to do something that she's not comfortable with.
Oar
I saw a rerun of this show recently with a mom and her obese teenaged son. Apparently the kid had issues, which is understandable, but his pediatrician had recommended gastric bypass surgury. Keep in mind, this is an actual medical doctor. With, like, a degree and everything, which is more than Shill has.

So Shill starts in with, "Well, here's what I think. Gastric bypass is good for some people, not others . . . [babbles on for a few minutes]. Now, I could be wrong--I'm not, but I could be--[here he directs a big, cheeky, asshole grin at the audience. They laugh. He laughs. I die a little inside.]. I think you should give me a chance before you try it, because I don't think it's right for you . . ."

That was the point where I changed the channel to avoid throwing the remote at the TV. Is this typical of him? Circumventing the recommendations of real doctors for his tired old "Theeyus is gunna beeya changin' day in yer laaffe" bullshit? Hey, Shill? Taking control of his self esteem isn't going to help him take control of the fat clogging his arteries. I know you want to punish all fat people except yourself, but this is ridiculous. His health takes precendence.

Asshat.
KettlePorn

Circumventing the recommendations of real doctors [/quote]

Yes. As well as real lawyers, real accountants, real exercise experts, real nutritionists, real nurses, real teachers, real pharmacists, real bowling alley pin-setters, and the one that unites us here, real psychologists.

At least he had the fellow who could tell by the way you gripped a can of Mountain Dew and a Moon Pie whether you were getting too much sugar and caffeine in your diet. Even the audience had a wary, the hell? sort of scared interest. (That old dietary pro will surely not be back, though, because he commited a class A felony by suggesting Kitty squeeze a Mallomar as a demonstration. Kitty was so freaked out they cleared the studio and brought her some nip leaves and yarn. Mallomars kill Beverly Hills women. Duh.) So we all were pretty sure after that that our Phil was full of more fertilizer than Iowa, Washington DC and Tim McVeigh's old locker

All of us stand amazed at the dearth of McGraw lawsuits. Except for Bambi's leg, his old Texas partners, and a few groped former patients, we've heard nada, so we assume the lawsuits will come in one big blizzard. A veritable court parade of the ill, injured and indicted all due to Phil's bubble and fart type of advice. And when THAT happens, Boy Howdy.
parsleysage

Yes. As well as real lawyers, real accountants, real exercise experts, real nutritionists, real nurses, real teachers, real pharmacists, real bowling alley pin-setters, and the one that unites us here, real psychologists.[/quote] Hee! What day was that obese kid eppy on??--I'd like to try to catch it one week later at 10pm, as it runs in my market.

That hair fetish guy is Kree Pee. Totally. When it got to the part about he oils and curls his hair to turn himself on, I was totally grossed out. However, one would think that you would be really committed to want to change if you were going to lay it all out on national tv. It's a shame that they won't get much help from Shill, because the wife was heavy and we all know Shill doesn't help heavy women.
Ribbit
Hey, there is an online copy of a letter from CHADD (an organization for children and adults with ADD and related problems) to Dr. Phil, sent after his show on ADD. If anyone is interested, the link is:

http://www.adhdnews.com/testforum/test2249.htm

(They do give Phil some credit before they start busting on him, so hang in there.)

And isn't the Lawless guy one of Phil's lawyer buddies? I heard somewhere he was involved in Courtroom Sciences (or whatever it's called) but I'm not sure of the details. Or if it's even true.
Yo Nurse

All of us stand amazed at the dearth of McGraw lawsuits.  Except for Bambi's leg, his old Texas partners, and a few groped former patients, we've heard nada"...[/quote]

OK, I know who Bambi is, I vaguely remember seeing something about the former partners, but what was the deal with patient groping? Isn't that something he'd put someone else under the jail for?

BTW, did anyone see the look on Mrs. Hair-Fetish guy's face when Ms. Don't Like Sex' fiance talked about romance and lighting candles? I do believe she mouthed "Call me".
Anki
KettlePorn

Except for Bambi's leg, his old Texas partners, and a few groped former patients.[/quote]

I haven't been in the US for a few years, so I haven't heard about any of this. Anyone want to share the info with me? I'm trying to break my mother of Dr.$hill's spell, and I need all the ammo I can get hold of to do it. She's completely enamored with him; it's weird, she's usually such a bright woman.
loudfan
Anki, this article has quite a lot of dirt, including the Bambi story:
Who's your daddy? - Salon.com
Anki
Thanks loudfan, that was quite interesting. Hopefully it'll help in the deprogramming of my mother (I don't know what else to call it, it's like she's a member of a Dr.$hill cult), though I'm having doubts. She seems to belong to the group descibed here, excerpt from the Who's Your Daddy? article:

In fact, it's difficult to imagine devoted disciples of Dr. Phil changing their minds about him for any reason at all, since the nature of his authoritative, instructive relationship with his guests, viewers and readers protects him from scrutiny. Just as taking your football coach's advice is predicated on turning a blind eye to the fact that he's sort of an abusive jerk, so does accepting Dr. Phil's word as the gospel mandate that all criticisms of him are ignored, or treated with utter skepticism. [/quote]
BetyBee
Know what Anki? I do hold out hope for your mother because once upon a time I actually liked $hil! When he was on Oprah he seemed to have a lot of common sense. I looked forward to his show, even taped it at first, and watched it with my husband and daughter every evening. Sigh. It's really hard to admit this.

Eventually his pig headed ways turned me off. Finally, when the war in Iraq first started he had a show with guests who were opposed to that war (the war in Iraq, not the war in Afghanistan). He informed them why their opionions were wrong and his was right and I swore I'd never watch him again, and I didn't for a long time until I found it necessary to watch in order to snark. And now I'm in a happy place.

Your mom will come to her senses. These things take time. Maybe she'll notice that he's a fat man preaching to the masses about getting real about food. Maybe she'll be turned off by the way he exploits his guests, especially females who dare to have opinions or jobs or a few added pounds. Maybe she'll watch a show like today's where he has on women who dare to disagree with his opinions and he beats them down with clips "proving" he's never wrong. Have patience.
Extra Chunk
RE the hair fetish guy. I think he could (potentially) stop solictiting prostitutes, and having affairs but the main problem is not going to change. Once a fetish gets wired in someones brain there's really nothing that can be done about it. Historically attempts to 'repattern' what arouses a patient have been about as succesful as attempts to make gay men straight. I was expecting Phil to make some reference to this but then 'psychology' has never been his strong point.
Anki
Thanks Betybee, I won't give up hope she'll make her way out of the Dr.$hill-fog. What worries me is that she tapes the show so my 15 year old sister can watch it too, my very impressionable 15 year old sister. But I won't give up hope.

btw, I looked up Dr. $hill in a tvguide here. His show is listed as an entertainment program, the same as, for example, Dawson's Creek and ER got. Oprah is listed as a talk show. It made giggle just a little.
KettlePorn
The morphing is the primary reason we went after Phil in the first place. He set us up. On Oprah he was a steely-eyed straight-shooter who seemed to emit very little but common sense. Oprah seemed in awe of him, a rare Oprah thing. Then he was graced with his own forum and became a frappe of Laura Schlesinger, Richard Simmons, Goober Pyle, Bozo the Clown, Sally Jessy and Danny Thomas's camera takes. It was like we had signed up for a philosophy course taught by the most esteemed tenured professor and found that dementia had rendered him Carrot Top.

The one thing that patients of psychologist are warned about, is that the Dr is very vocal about his or her preferences and prejudices. It alienates the patient and compromises the care. Of course we know that Phil isn't hawking therapy of any kind (well, maybe aversion therapy--he has turned me off fatuous men forever) but to many of his viewers he is the only DSM-IV they'll ever read. Shame on him for trying to apply cosmetic solutions to every problem, to try to humiliate his guests by all but spit-taking to the camera and mostly for being such a fame and power whore that he insufficiently vets his guests to ferret out the same.

But, still, I'm waiting with bated breath for the next season of America's Top Asshole. It gets delicious in here.
parsleysage

and I didn't for a long time until I found it necessary to watch in order to snark.[/quote] I agree totally. I used to like him, in fact I have one of his first straight-talking self help books. B U T T H E N I found TV W/o Pity and it was a downhill slide through a turnip patch with a hound dog, or whatever. You all have made me see the error of my ways.

Does anyone else live in a market where Shill repeats one week later at 10 PM? Late night was the eppy of the about-to-be-married sister who supports her brother. That was a distinct "pinging" sound I heard on the brother, right? It wasn't just my air conditioner rattling because of the 98 degree heat?? He had one of those gay waiter names--"Marq" (for reference--see "Ric", "Cris," "Matte."

But, still, I'm waiting with bated breath for the next season of America's Top Asshole. It gets delicious in here[/quote] Tootie Fields On A Futon, KettlePorn. Word to that!!!
KimberleeJean

this typical of him? Circumventing the recommendations of real doctors[/quote]

Like his barely concealed contempt for yesterday's sex therapist. Well, it wasn't concealed at all, but at one point I believed he would exort the audience to storm the stage and rip her limb from limb.

I'm not commenting on the advisability of "alternative lifestyles" (their term) here, but she had a valid point, Phil is disgusted by it and judgmental. Like anyone who did invite someone else into their bedroom,and didn't have any issue with it, would ever come to his attention.

But he doesn't fare well against other professionals, even if they are sex therapists. Gee, Shill, maybe she might know what she's talking about. And she has an agenda? I almost looked under my seat for Shill's new book when he mentioned the word "agenda."

And "I wouldn't let another man touch my wife?" Is Kitty now a particularly fragile sad-eyed figurine?
CaptainSnarky

Like his barely concealed contempt for yesterday's sex therapist.[/quote]

And his utterly dismissive attitude towards the advocate speaking about child actors. When she fucking nailed him on his exploitive portrayal of child actors' parents, all he could do was sit there, his mouth agape until he could find the right patriarchal words with which to dismiss her as a "silly woman." She should have known better than to object to the Lord God Phil's all-wise and all-knowing discussion.

I await the day that he is caught with a male prostitute. Or caught trying to grope a Miss USA contestant.
susiequsie
I love his strategy: when cornered, get personal. Asking the sex therapist about her marriage(s)? Excuse me, but isn't Kitty the second Mrs. Dr. $hil?
KettlePorn
Well yes. The first Mrs Shill kept thinking all the time. How's a man supposed to find happiness with that going on?
KimberleeJean

isn't Kitty the second Mrs. Dr. $hil? [/quote]

OMG, that's exactly what I was telling her to say!

"How many times have I been married? Well, how many times have you been married, Dr. Phil?"

I would have stood up and cheered.
BetyBee

"How many times have I been married? Well, how many times have you been married, Dr. Phil?"[/quote] If that did happen, we'd never be permitted to see it. $hil always stacks the deck in his favor.
KettlePorn
Actually-- pone aside-- his misogyny, his appearance bias and his way of drifting whichever the wind blows each day might be forgivable if he were not such an opinion bully. He is right, no one else's opinion's count no matter how many times he drawls that one is not meant to "subsitute your judgment for mine." Mule shit on toast points. Once you won't even hear another opinion without getting your back up and spewing like a cornered tabby, then you're in the wrong game, Babaloo. Look I keep a published phone number just so the people who politely disagree with my liberal letter to the editor vents might call my house at all hours to insult my heritage and threaten my life and limb. Why is the protected round-the-clock Phil, ensconced in his cocoon of 14 karat opinion-proofed smug have to be so bull-headed as to act like a toddler with his hands over his ears whining,"I can't HEAR you!"

Give us ONE live show where the audience gets to confront you, college style. Don't even invite us former grad school hellions who were so coarse. Invite a cross-section of the US, fly them in, and let them ask you questions--no prep, no pimp, no posturing. If only to see the meltdown replayed over and over on the Daily Show. Zen, baby.
CaptainSnarky
Could you imagine how fucking utterly destroyed $hill would be if he had to engage in a debate with another PhD? I've noticed that he never has anyone who disagrees with him who has the same level of education (assuming he has a doctorate...which I doubt) that he has?
sallyrover
Jordthro's band, "The Upside" is playing tonight in L.A. at the Roxy. With any luck, brother BBJay will be on hand with his soft-porn gal pal in tow. Sneak a lock of his hair while you can, ladies!
BetyBee

Give us ONE live show where the audience gets to confront you, college style. Don't even invite us former grad school hellions who were so coarse. Invite a cross-section of the US, fly them in, and let them ask you questions--no prep, no pimp, no posturing. If only to see the meltdown replayed over and over on the Daily Show. Zen, baby[/quote] Yeah - do you suppose $hil has his audience and guests sign a loyalty oath to get in the door like, who am I thinking of? Oh yeah, the current leader of the free world at his "town hall" meetings.
mootermutt987
Kettleporn:

Mule shit on toast points.[/quote]

At the cotillion. Held between thumb and index finger, with pinky extended, because that is polite. "Dahling, these are simply mahvelous! How DO you do it? Not quite pate, but close. Could you have your cook give my cook the recipe?"
KettlePorn
Oh Bettybee, if only we could stage the coup of a lifetime. Having the McGraws invited for a fully-screened Q & A and then bust out the irate, the experts, the big mouthed women with finely calibrated bullshit detectors. Seal the exits, tether the McGraws to their seats, and have at. Well, maybe excuse Mute Kitty and BoyBand Jorthro, because we have larger fish to fry. Give us Phil, because I love to see the pompous ambushed by their betters. Give us Jay because I like big butts and I cannot lie.
BetyBee
Oh, KettlePorn, that sounds like a dream come true - I'd take a second mortgage to get tickets to that smackfest. We'll force them to watch videos of $hil giving contradictory advice and give a forum to the dissatisfied family from IL who are suing after BBJ and Renovate My Family screwed up their home. We'll tethere $hil and BBJ to their seats, but at some point lets have those famous seats facing each other and we'll feed them the words to say to one another as tears stream down their chubby cheecks:

$hil repeats - "I am a fat, blow-hard male chauvinist. I never help anyone without the goal of promoting my crappy books, and all the advice contained within them is gleaned from other, more qualified professionals. I also always have to be right and I don't like fat unattractive people. I foist my boring family on the rest of the world. And I cheated on my first wife."

BBJ repeats- "I have used your fame and money to shamelessly self-promote my ghost-written books and my pathetic short lived tv show. I look and act like a middle-aged man, so I have no business counseling teens. I don't really know which hot triplet I'm dating. Dad, you were married before?

Since Jorthro is excused, we'll bring Sir Mix-a-lot out of retirement to serenade the McGraws with
I like big butts and I cannot lie.[/quote] as unflattering shots of both of them (along with their true weights) flash on the screen.

After that, not sure - cancellation?
parsleysage

Give us Jay because I like big butts and I cannot lie. [/quote]
Whoo-Wee! BBJ got back!! I think if we did a Tubey's Kids auction for audience tix to this event, we could cure all hunger and disease throughout the entire 3rd world, and Camden too!
KettlePorn
Hate his horrid mother-in-law shows. The women are usually immature, spiteful, trashy and completely self-absorbed. Phil always acts as if they are within the bounds of redemption, and usually suggests tedious mounds of counseling and discussion and pastoral help before the m-i-l's are ceremoniously kicked out of the kingdom. The sons, especially, get a deer-frightened-by-a-tuba look and sit on their hands while their moms channel Queen Victoria of the Sunset Villas Trailer Courts.

Hell, if sending the m-i-l's off in a Winnebago is a meddler's cure, then he can come take my mother-in-law, seal her up in an RV and take her deep into bear country. She loves bears, loves to sleep outside, and loves to wears vests stuffed with fragrant foods. I swear.
BetyBee
Those MILs were horrible. Such potty mouths! And their "kids" were ridiculously immature. $hil was no help to these folks at all, but for once he was less offensive than the guests. A completely FUF. There was nothing even remotely likeable about these people. Yuck.
parsleysage

She loves bears, loves to sleep outside, and loves to wears vests stuffed with fragrant foods. I swear[/quote] CUTE!
Jordthro's band, "The Upside" is playing tonight in L.A. at the Roxy.[/quote] I thought his band's name was "Fountains of Cash."
KettlePorn
Phil with the polygamy kids is so out of his depth. He seemed so unprepared, so oblivious to the complex history of the cult and--ironically enough--the psychological reasons that the cult flourishes even decades after it broke off from the LDS church. Must be a McGraw trait--take on the task for which you are most unprepared and make some money.
Seeing promo's for Renovate My Family makes me wish BBJ was content to lounge by the cement pond with his starlets and his vittles. Please do well in music, Jorthro, so we don't have to watch you suddenly decide to become a surprise makeover guy.
rhys7
I'm hoping I get the polygamy show taped (not always comfortable around electronics since I'm over age 11). Anyway, any info about this crazy cult is good in my book. These people are whacked and the more that is known about them the better.
KettlePorn
Oh I think the Colorado City needs to be swept like a minefield and the hostages freed. But sounding the alarm is not a job for our Pussy Footin Pseudo Shrink. All he does is proclaim his ignorance and offer platitudes and butter beans. Around the last time this program was aired he sent Jay in like a callow Leo Ryan, sniffing around as if he were Woodward and Bernstein (from behind, he looks like both) and asking ridiculous questions in his youthful caught-out-past-curfew voice. Approaching a situation like this one the wrong way simply creates problems for those enslaved in it. It is too large and hellish a human crisis for a talk show like Phil's. And the hair and sack dresses would make Kitty cry.
lmwilker
I really hope Dr. Phil does an update on the woman whose daughter won't pay her the $100,000.00 back because she's living with an ex-con 20 years her junior who once threatened to cut her head off and roll it down the hall like a bowling ball. I'd like to see what the forensic accountant found.
Cornwall
If Dr. Phil & Kitty has any guts, instead of wasting my time & money talking about a bunch of nutcases from Colorado City, Arizona in which he don't give a damn about those poor girls who suffered there & escaped, they'll show their faces in places like Compton, East Oakland, East St. Louis, Detroit, Newark NJ, Camden NJ, Chester PA, Bed-Stuy Brooklyn, & South Side Chicago.
Yo Nurse

If Dr. Phil & Kitty has any guts, instead of wasting my time & money talking about a bunch of nutcases from Colorado City, Arizona in which he don't give a damn about those poor girls who suffered there & escaped, they'll show their faces in places like Compton, East Oakland, East St. Louis, Detroit, Newark NJ, Camden NJ, Chester PA, Bed-Stuy Brooklyn, & South Side Chicago[/quote]

Wow. I'm from Chester and I never saw my hometown get a shout-out. I can't imagine Dr. Phil coming there without an armored vehicle. Some of the rougher folks would steal the shine off his head. Seriously,I think he was way out of his depth with the polygamous cult escapees, as he would be in any of the towns mentioned above. Many people there have many different problems, some of which they did not even bring on themselves. I don't get the sense that Dr. Phil believes that some people just get dealt a very lousy hand.
KettlePorn
Oh absolutely. Phil loves to blame the victim, or else suggest it is time the victim figure out a way to contribute to society, even while in a semi-vegetative state, so "The rest of us don't have to carry your ass." Everything is about personal responsibility, no matter what you're up against, " Grow a spine. Say no to poverty. Buy my book."

Mommy, there's a John Bircher on the porch.
CaptainSnarky

Phil loves to blame the victim[/quote]

Only if the victim is a woman.
BetyBee

Phil loves to blame the victim. [/quote]
Only if the victim is a woman. [/quote]
Or fat. Or unattractive.
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