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Magnolia

The country singer/wannabe was really awful. I think Phil used the only way he could to try to get through to her but she still didn't get it.[/quote]

If she were talented, or "got it" or were in any way not deluded, he wouldn't have had her on his show. All the show consists of is: find someone who is deluded (or whom he just happens to disagree with and/or thinks the audience will), yell at them, let them say more deluded things (or things that indicate they don't agree), yell at them some more. All involved (except for the sacrificial lamb) feel superior. The sacrificial lamb stays misunderstood or deluded and possibly mentally ill and potentially scarred for life, but hey, it's entertainment!

So, he finds an OCD person who is stuck in her sickness because she won't take the medicine. He finds a husband who somehow thinks his life will not change at all when he has a baby. He finds people who are having affairs but want to stay married anyway. Etc. It's clear he screens for the "what are they thinking?" factor so that everyone can feel superior to the guests and he can sound really "honest" and "real."

The show really is just a variant of Howard Stern. Instead of throwing garbage at strippers, Dr. Phil throws invective at people with mental problems. And half the time the "problems" aren't really what he is making them out to be-- they are just lifestyles he doesn't share (e.g., the cosleeping family-- lots of people cosleep now, and there is evidence that it is better for the kids.) Other times he dregs stuff up that happened many years ago and acts as if it happened the week before. And often the people he is "helping" are truly sick and will not get anything out of being ridiculed in public. Yes, they "asked for it" but that is because they are mentally ill.

I guess sometimes it's fun to watch someone yell at someone (I like to watch those judge shows sometimes for that-- just to hear delusions shattered) but it isn't psychology and it's definitely not in a spirit of helping people and in the end it isn't a very positive enterprise.

Sorry. Just realized I hate him!!
KettlePorn
[QUOTE Just realized I hate him!! [QUOTE]

That's ok--we needed to fill in the back rows anyway.

Yes our Phil refuses to have a true one-on-one with anyone sane, strong and academically qualified to kick his ass over the tractor. I want Ashton to punk him. Punk him real good. Something involving Hell's Angels and a kidnapped Kitty.

Although watching Phil pissy-scared might not be as entertaining as we hope. Especially his tears and high-pitched screeching as he blew off Kitty and ran for his life.
KimberleeJean

I guess sometimes it's fun to watch someone yell at someone (I like to watch those judge shows sometimes for that-- just to hear delusions shattered) but it isn't psychology [/quote]

You are right on that, it is the modern version of the colloseum.

If it were legal to throw guests to the lions, you can be sure Phil would.
KettlePorn
What learning, what enlightenment, what growth does the viewing public get from a) a depressed husband and father who suicides by immolation, b) a young family whose history together includes the wife's time in foster care because her teenage husband-to-be didn't want his parents to adopt her and of course, c) a woman who found out that a former boyfriend was her biological father, who no doubt knew exactly who she was when he was intimate with her? Phil, you now wear your motives on your sleeve.

Abandon all suggestion of therapy, all vestiges of decency, all scent of dignity and become the carnival barker we knew you were. Cleared the shark, stuck the landing.
dreamy
KettlePorn, it hasn't aired yet here, but now I'm afraid to watch it.

ETA: There should be a new phrase for this episode. It's beyond 'jumping the shark.' Part of me was reminded (in a weird way) of the Jenny Jones show. (I'm embarassed to say I remember that). Shill aside, what was that mother thinking!?!?! It's not just her life on broadcast. That poor child.
parsleysage

KettlePorn, it hasn't aired yet here, but now I'm afraid to watch it.[/quote] WORD to that! I'm afraid I'll drop a 25 pound dumb-bell on my toe from shock. Then again, Shill is a 225 pound dumb-bell. Carnival Barker Shithead.
NeonJungle

What learning, what enlightenment, what growth does the viewing public get from a) a depressed husband and father who suicides by immolation, b) a young family whose history together includes the wife's time in foster care because her teenage husband-to-be didn't want his parents to adopt her and of course, c) a woman who found out that a former boyfriend was her biological father, who no doubt knew exactly who she was when he was intimate with her? Phil, you now wear your motives on your sleeve.[/quote]

On the heels of that episode a week or so ago where the married couple find out they are brother and sister, we learn that Dr. Shill is the yuppie version of Jerry Springer. Or that people are a heck of a lot more normal than Dr. Shill anticipated, and he can't find enough guests with "regular" stories.

But I believe we are learning about some of Shill's twisted interests. "See?" I'm thinking he says to himself. "It's not that bad. I'm really OK. I don't need to do some MER [or whatever acronymn he used today] on myself. The people want to KNOW! So it can't just be that I'm a crackpot odd-ball."
loudfan
My favorite section of the Dr. Phil web site is the one where they list all the upcoming show topics. Usually, it's more fun to imagine them than it is to actually watch them.
A few samples:
Family Upset You're Marrying Someone in Prison?
Worried Your Husband's Gay?
Need to Tell Someone Off But Don't Have the Guts?
Do You Suffer From a Fetish?
Do You Have the Most Annoying Parents in America?
Fighting With Family Over Dead Loved One's ASHES?
Still Getting Over Your Most Embarrassing Moment?
Know Someone Switched at Birth?
In the Middle of a Frivolous Lawsuit?

Today's show hasn't aired here yet, but it's weird that they stuck a brand new show in the midst of weeks of summer reruns.
stinkylulu

There should be a new phrase for this episode. It's beyond 'jumping the shark.' [/quote]

Totally: "Boinking the shark?"


...it's weird that they stuck a brand new show in the midst of weeks of summer reruns.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing; I suspect they buried it here to keep it quieter. At least it was broadcast though. Got me to wondering whatever happened to that not-quite-blended FUF with all the teen daughters...
dreamy

Totally: "Boinking the shark?"[/quote]

What about 'Scaring the crap out of the shark'
deadpill
Whoa, this show is bat-shit crazy. I'm watching this woman recount how she went to a bar, to meet a MAAAN, and then she slept with him, and then introduced him to her mother, only to have all these bombs dropped on her. Her father's not her real father! The man she just introduced to her mother was her BIOLOGICAL father! So, she slept with her father! Oh my. Then, Dr. Phil did a shitty-ass job of trying to console her. He's horribly clueless and STUPID.

Anyway, it was like totally awesome.
katymo
How in the world do you really console somebody who got into bed with their own father for a year and a half without knowing it? Ew! Cooties!

The guy committing suicide by lighting himself on fire in front of their daughter made me upset, that poor little girl.
parsleysage

How in the world do you really console somebody who got into bed with their own father for a year and a half without knowing it? Ew! Cooties![/quote] No! It was for a year and a half? I missed that part--was at the gym and the trainer insisted on saying things like "Run faster," and "Let me take your heart rate," although I had previously told her that it was "imperative" that I watch Shill today. She knows I watch him when I workout--anger over his idiocy fuels me to get my heart rate up-- and today she said, "he really has some good advice." Ok then.

The guy committing suicide by lighting himself on fire in front of their daughter made me upset, that poor little girl.[/quote] Normally, I would say, "Cue bears" but in this case that is superfluous. Can a suicidal person be passive-aggressive, because that really seems to be the case here.
jw7579

b) a young family whose history together includes the wife's time in foster care because her teenage husband-to-be didn't want his parents to adopt her and of course[/quote]

This is the one that bothered me the most. How spoiled was this guy as a kid that he would be the "vote" that decided whether or not his parents where going to adopt a child? I'm disappointed that the only thing $hill said about that was "It's nornal for a 12-year-old boy to not want to share things" or whatever the hell he said, though I'm not surprised seeing how he does things now on this shithole show.
KettlePorn
Again, a re- broadcast episode featuring video of kids being hurt. Mostly older video that has had its play on news programs and other talk shows, replayed only to shock and sicken anyone with an iota of compassion or empathy. Phil, you're a shame-prick, a sumbitch, a cur.
supie

Totally: "Boinking the shark?"[/quote]



What about 'Scaring the crap out of the shark'[/quote]

how about harpooning the shark?
stinkylulu
For me, the righteous child protector Dr$hill is much more obvious & much less noxious than the moralizing freaky-sex-is-baaaaaaaaaaad-tell-me-more/you're-a-beautiful-young-girl DrPerv.
Hence: "Boinking the Shark." (It was an attempt to obliquely reference a different kind of harpoon...which when wielded by DrPerv is freaky scary.)
dreamy

harpooning the shark[/quote]
"Boinking the Shark." (It was an attempt to obliquely reference a different kind of harpoon...which when wielded by DrPerv is freaky scary.)[/quote]
supie and stinkylulu, ok, now. THAT image? Is funny. But way more than I can handle at night.
Dbonz
I caught today's show and was wondering what happened to the second baby Jack and Jill were going to adopt? I don't remember them mentioning it, did I miss it?
DCCrackMonkee
Dbonz, IIRC, the other girl was not due for over a month after the first. Also, she seemed to have major reservations about "sharing the love" with another child a month after adopting the first. I have nothing at all against Jack and Jill, and I'm thrilled they got a happy end to all this, but I think the other birthmom had legit concerns and I suspect she went with another family. I don't recall her being mentioned.

That Shill, he can make people dissapear! Poof! FUF2! Poof! Second birthmom! Poof! forum posts!

Man, just like Keyser Soze...
lmwilker
Has anyone heard anything about the woman whose kids were missing and suspected her husband's "best friend" new more than she was telling? I know the hubby went to jail and I'm surprised this story hasn't received more news coverage.
mootermutt987
DCCrackMonkee:
Man, just like Keyser Soze...[/quote]

This is the 2nd time I've seen this person (???) in TwoP today. He (???) was also referred to in the Big Brother 6 forum, because one of the contestants is named Kayser. I must plead iggerance. Could someone explain who/what Keyser Soze is?? Thanks!
LizzieAnne
Go rent "The Usual Suspects." Do NOT look it up. In fact, don't even read the back of the movie box.

That's all I'm going to say, and I hope no one else says much more.

Topic: I used to like Dr. Phil when he dealt with spoiled kids and indulgent parents. It's no fun anymore. Bleh.
greenpearl42

Can a suicidal person be passive-aggressive, because that really seems to be the case here.[/quote]

parsleysage, I believe suicide is an aggressive-aggessive act. The end result is punishment for those left behind. Not only are the surviving loved ones grief-stricken by the death, but they are also left with the guilt that there is something they could or should have done. It is a very selfish thing to do. Imagine what that poor little girl will have to suffer with for the rest of her life. Wouldn't it have been braver for her father to try to work out his problems rather than exit in such a trauma-inducing way?
DCCrackMonkee
greenpearl, I'll have to respectfully disagree. In most suicide cases (not all) the person's mental anguish has reached a point to which he or she is convinced the world and their family is far better without them in it, and they go into a sort of delusionary euphoria about the end of the pain for them and their loved ones. This is so hard for those left behind to comprehend, and obviously so, but in most cases, it is not an aggressive act, passive or not. It is the last step in incomprehensible desperation.

Also, I can't recall the exact timeframe of the suicide, but I don't believe the husband had the intention of having the daughter see. Tragedy all around.
parsleysage

but I think the other birthmom had legit concerns and I suspect she went with another family. I don't recall her being mentioned.[/quote] If I was the 2nd birth mom, I would choose elsewhere also. I'm sure Jack and Jill (!!) would've happily taken both kids, but the birth mom did feel that she wanted her baby to get sole attention. I can't blame her--its not like there aren't 10s of thousands of other adoptive parents as good as Jack and Jill.

I'm always surprised that there are still nice, normal girls who get pregnant and give up their babies. I guess after watching reality shows, Judge Judy and talk shows for a few years, you get to thinking that each pregnant girl has the kid, goes on welfare and then parades an endless stream of nasty boyfriends through the house for the next 18 years, 1/2 of who molest the kid. Good for those 2 pregnant girls and others like them. I think keeping the baby is almost easier than giving it away.

OOPS--almost forgot to mention Lil' Missy Model, from the epsiode they re-ran last night. Granted, the Fashion Director for the Acadamy Awards isn't exactly Eileen Ford, but she knew more than that little girl from Idaho, or whatever. My favorite comment was when the Director was warning her about having provocative lingerie shots on her website, and the girls interrupts and says, "Oh but have you seen my entire website," and the Director says, "Yes," and Lil' Missy Model says "oh." Lil' Missy Model--appearing soon on the corner of Sunset & Vine--"Hey do you want a date?"
sarcastic chick
I had given up on Phil, mostly because I just couldn't take his headache-inducing "advice." For some reason, I caught today's episode in time to see Mike and Deanna. That couple was awful, and once again, I think Phil failed. Mike's emotional abuse went well beyond comments like "Shut your suckhole," but Phil latched onto that statement as if it was the only problem.

No, the bigger problem was with poor Deanna, who looked unbelievably tense. She kept glancing over at Mike as if she was gauging his reaction in anticipation of the amount of trouble she would be in. She behaved like an abused wife, and I believe that is what she is. If Mike doesn't hit her, then I believe he is at least capable of it. I could totally see him justifying it by saying that he was just trying to get her to "play with the team." Phil should have told her to take Kyle and run fast.

Dragging Kitty on the stage trivialized a very serious situation and set back the women's lib movement about 50 years. I really don't need to hear how Robin and the boys wait on pins and needles for Phil to come home. While I agree the home should be a happy and safe place, Deanna's problem was that it was more like prison. It didn't sound like he wanted her to work, drive, or leave the house. If anything, she needs to be out in the world building a support network in case she does decide to leave.

This segment really bothered me, and it was trivialized even further by 34HH woman. Her problem was legitimate, but it did not belong on the same show as Deanna and Mike.
thermodynamics
nevermind
MyraA
Monday's show has Shill marketing his son's music ability. The show videotapes Jordan performing a concert in Shill's backyard.
http://www.drphil.com/show/cutw.jhtml
Cornwall
What music ability? The ability to make me have nosebleeds? What an idiot. Milli Vanilli can sing better than this schmuck.
Toasty
How does Kitty want Phil to make her feel? "Like I'd be happy to never leave my home again."

That about says it all, doesn't it?!?

Jesus, that woman!
fangums
Oh I was about to barf when he brought her up on stage to spout that crap. Was she sitting on his lap? (My back was to the tv ... it was hard enough to listen.)

And then, as if I already wasn't nauseous from the show, we get to the end where the mom can't deal with her son's "hard questions" (hello, lady, every kid asks "if God made the world, who made God"?). Since the child is upset about the tsunami victims, Phil tells her she should have him do some good works for the victims, then launches into a whole segment about a celebrity tennis match HE played in to benefit the victims and how much fun it was FOR HIM and had clips of what other tennis players had to say ABOUT PHIL. Way to make it all about you, asswad.
divasahm
Wouldn't y'all love to see a primetime Dr. Phil special in which the good doctor counsels Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes on their upcoming marriage? I can guaran-damn-tee that Dr. Phil wouldn't find anything wrong with that situation. And Kitty and Kool-Aid Katie could swap tips on being a Stepford bot.

I'd almost pay to see that. Almost.
Anki

Wouldn't y'all love to see a primetime Dr. Phil special in which the good doctor counsels Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes on their upcoming marriage?[/quote]

That would be amusing, if for no other reason than that TC would try to lecture Dr. $hill on the history of psychiatry (which he knows better than anyone!).
divasahm
Well, since Dr. Phil is a psychologist in name only, I'm guessing Tom Cruise won't have any more of a problem with him than he did with Leno or Letterman. And really, can't you just see Dr. Phil praising Tom for being a man and taking charge of his relationship with Katie-bot?

Is there a place on the Dr. Phil website where we can suggest show topics?
KettlePorn

How does Kitty want Phil to make her feel? "Like I'd be happy to never leave my home again."[/quote]

This was a mean trick on Phil's part. He filled the foyer with shiny things, knowing Kitty would be mesmerized into immobility.

I still like to believe that since she didn't know Phil had snuck off and had his vas deferens re-soldered or whip-stitched or glue-gunned--or however one reverses a vasectomy--she was thunderstruck with the unexpected pregnancy and had to make more than one furtive phone call to possible baby daddies. This would elevate The Kit in my eyes. After all, no one should spend a lifetime boning Phil without time off for good behavior. (Yes,well, the thought nauseated me first.)
mootermutt987

I still like to believe that since she didn't know Phil had snuck off and had his vas deferens re-soldered or whip-stitched or glue-gunned--or however one reverses a vasectomy--she was thunderstruck with the unexpected pregnancy and had to make more than one furtive phone call to possible baby daddies.[/quote]
Can you just imagine Dr. $hill, Kitty, and their baby, Zakayla, Unique, or Zy'eria (actual baby-names from The Maury Show), showing up on The Maury Show for a paternity test?? Can you imagine Kitty doing the Run of Shame when the test comes up negative for Dr. $hill???



How does Kitty want Phil to make her feel? "Like I'd be happy to never leave my home again."

That about says it all, doesn't it?!?

Jesus, that woman![/quote]
Yes, but he picked her as his life partner!! I think that says an awful lot about the good Dr and his expectations of his 'women'.
DCCrackMonkee
I would pay good hard-earned American money to see Kitty do the Run of Shame, complete with Collapse Against Wall.
Hexele

Oh I was about to barf when he brought her up on stage to spout that crap. Was she sitting on his lap? [/quote]
Yes. Yes, she was. And the comments in our house were along the lines of "Kitty Puppet" and "Hey, his hand isn't even up her back, and she's talking!" Who know Shill was so talented?
NoFatChicks

Is there a place on the Dr. Phil website where we can suggest show topics? [/quote]

Yes.
KettlePorn
All I know is that he better devote a full hour to the launch of Kitty's new book. Since Anne Morrow Lindbergh passed, we could desperately use the deep, introspective, poetic musing. And the mung bean recipes.
Ribbit
Recently I lost all vestiges of respect for Dr. Swill (hey, so I’m a bit slow), and this forum has been a godsend. Basically, I watched Phil’s wife "interview" Cher.

Now, I always knew Phil was part huckster/carny, but this was a real low. It was billed as a profound interview about Cher’s parenting experiences, but it was blatant a sales pitch for Phil’s big My Family is Better than Yours book. Basically, Phil’s wife read sections from this tome (“now somewhere in here Phillip talks about...”) and then just asked Cher if she agreed.

Anyway, if Cher were not rich and famous Phil would have torn her apart, humilated her, and explained how she had done everything wrong. He would have made her feel like she was a reject for even thinking she should have had kids, and the segments would have been edited to make her look as bad (and contrite) as possible. Instead, Phil became a little organ-grinder monkey with an giant air-brush, doctoring the picture of an already heavily botoxed mutant. The message was clear: Cher is Jesus. Cher will talk to us and hardly anybody else. We can tell that Cher is Perfect because she is Famous. Phil and his wife were on *intimate* terms with Cher, they all had wonderful families and stacks of CASH CASH CASH, and they had Important Lessons to Teach America.

Basically, two completely zombified glassy-eyed robots were staring at each other, having a "discussion" and nodding vapidly, and at one point Dr. Phil jumped in and said both women sure looked great for being over 50. Phil even claimed he had been a HUGE fan of Cher for her entire career-- the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, up to today. Now we know.

But hey, I’m done ranting now. Keep up the great site—you guys are fantastic, and your stuff keeps me in stitches.
KettlePorn
Only the fact that Cher and Kitty did not stand arm in arm and sing "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" kept that interview from being construed as parody. Cher, like the McGraws, has rarely seen a money making device she did not embrace, and it is only a matter of time before Kitty herself hawks both artificial sweetener and make-up, the twin-orifice vibrators of her soul.
onlyinPV
Did they address the fact that Cher disowned her daughter when she came out as a lesbian, or was that whitewashed over? because it's Cher.
Ribbit
That's exactly what they did.

In a way it was funny, because Cher basically broke every rule in Phil’s big tome, but everyone still had to pretend that Cher was Jesus. Cher talked about how her career came first, and her whole entire showbiz life became "something she had to do to get by". Cher talked about her confusion after her daughter revealed she was a lesbian, and Phil jumped in to explain how Cher had actually been worried how the paparazzi would use it (this was hilarious because Cher had just finished explaining how the “paparazzi” excuse was something she told herself to mask her own ambiguous feelings about her daughter being gay). Phil and his wife got tickets to Cher's show, and this was proof of how nurturing and mother-like Cher was. Cher talked about her son would hang out with her while he was stoned out of his head (even telling his mom that he was stoned) and this was carefully ignored (anyone who saw the Brandon show remembers how Phil blasted those parents). Etc., etc. Anything the least bit ambiguous was PRed by Phil. I even got the impression even Cher was bothered. It’s hard to tell, because she can’t really move her face, but there was a glint in her eye at times.

Basically, Cher’s money and fame became signs of the depth of her talent and love and commitment to her kids. Nothing else really mattered. They didn’t even try to hide it.

(If anyone is wondering why I brought up Cher now, I live in Ireland and that was recently shown here. I have no idea when they showed it in the States, but I imagine it was last year).
BetyBee

Phil even claimed he had been a HUGE fan of Cher for her entire career-- the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, up to today.[/quote]

Wow - that means he's been a Cher fan even longer than he's been a Kid Rock fan!
sarcastic chick
Just had to post that Phil has been nominated for a very prestigious award. I hope he wins. Lord knows he deserves it for his wonderful talk show that helps so many people. ;)
dreamy
sarcastic chick, this is brilliant. Will you keep us posted on the results? (Though I'm trying to figure out how Being Bobby Brown didn't make the cut...)

You crazy Canadians!

(Do you think he'll do a special on the show if he wins? Or maybe he'll send Jay to cover it?)
Ribbit
Hey, does Swill wear a girdle? There's *something* about the way he stalks onto stage that makes me think he's laced up pretty tight...

Just a theory--has anyone else noticed this?
Want2Sleep
sarcastc chick

That was really funny, great categories and great nominees-good luck to all!

Go Phil
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