I think all the women on today's show were insane. They all had a bone to pick with him, yet not one of them could properly articulate their arguments. All they say is, "You're wrong, Dr. Phil!"

Next!

Perfectly botoxed.

Bile rises in the throat.... Why oh why do I submit myself to this travesty of a show?!?

RE: FUF2
Tequila pie? Please, now these people are making shit up to be mad about.

And oh my dog, on th epreview Robin is going to help Marty with his sexual problems on Thursday? Phil has officially whored his family out now. Don't get me wrong, I will be watching.

I was confused about the Marqurita pie. If they're such strict Mormons and really enforcing the no alcohol rule, (but not the "let's not be a big whore" rule) why was that pie there to begin with? The mom said a friend had made it for them. Why didn't they just throw it out? Or give it to their church food drive? And wouldn't this 'friend' know they were Mormon and know not to give them a freakin Marqurita pie? Isn't she just as guilty as the dad for giving it to his step daughter? Just saying.

Well, and I'm curious as to whether the pie was baked, because doesn't the liquor get baked out anyway? Whatever. Word, JTara.

Unless I blinked, there wasn't a "next week with our family in crisis" teaser. Does anyone remember? If that's the case, maybe Stacy did take a walk from the whole process after all.

Oh lord. I'm so embarrassed by that Texan woman with the rhinestone horseshoes.

Folks, I swear not all of us have outfits like that in our closets. My grandmother doesn't even wear clothes like that.

And how the hell is she supposed to disprove DP's "stereotypes" by dressing like a glittery moron? Idiot!

Oh, Joy!!! Every day I discover a new play place on TWoP. I posted this on the Dr. Phil site and then remembered that there was a "talk show" area on TWoP.

Dr. Phil needs to get rid of this new "family." They clearly don't have their hearts in it. They are headed for destruction just as Stacey's other marriages. I think Stacey signed up for this because she loves the drama, thrives on it, and wants it to continue. Same goes for her poor poor daughter. I hope Brianna sticks to her guns and follows the church rather than her mother's footsteps. The whole pie thing was ridiculous -- again, simply drama. Once alcohol is baked in something, it no longer has its intoxicating properties. Poor Chris. He's not exactly a catch, but he doesn't deserve this. He should run like the wind because I guarantee Stacey will not change. She doesn't think anything is her fault.

Stacey, dear, Excuses are like....well, you know the rest! (and your head happens to be up your...excuse)

I wish so much that when Phil told the husband to complete this sentence, "I wish you would stop...." that the husband said, "Fucking everyone on town." Alas, the guy didn't even bring up the affairsssssss. What a puss! And what an embarassment to their church. I hope they are kicked out.

I hope so. After all, if Julie on RWNO can get kicked out of BYU because she lived in a house with guys, I'd think fucking around on your husband multiple times should get some kind of consequence. Then again, I went to a Catholic college where you could have alcohol in your dorm room, but if you were caught having sex you'd be thrown out.

Turnbun:

HA! And welcome to our happy little group.

I wonder why Stacy even bothered to sign up for the show. Did she actually think DP would approve of her skanky behavior?

I'll bet Marty and Erin are sitting at home thinking, "Damn... that's just fucked up."

I was always under the impression that alcohol baked out, but I really wouldn't know; making toast is the limit of my culinary skills. They should lighten up about the stupid pie.


He didn't, but we all did.

FUF2 - There is no hope for them. Chris and Stacey do not belong together. Divorce is the only way.

Poland Spring all over the keyboard..........

I'm kinda perplexed by the Margarita Pie incident, too. Chris didn't seem to be too bright anyway, but to offer an alcoholic dessert to his stepdaughter who swears off alcohol is a boneheaded move! These are the most twisted Mormons I have ever seen (excluding Brianna).

Stacy just doesn't seem to get it. I'm sure Phil drops these fools next week.

Does anybody have a recipe for that? Or should I just buy a regular pie and pour some tequila over it? I really, really feel like I need it if I'm going to keep watching this show ...

Yes, to everyone. If alcohol is baked, it won't get you drunk or whatever. However, there are recipes where the alcohol is added after baking -- like with some rum cakes (not all). So, first of all, I'd like to know if the step-dad understood what he was doing or whatever, because that struck me as a little abusive or at least a tendancy towards poor judgement. It was like he was trying to trick her into doing something he knew she wouldn't want to do, which is just not cool.

I was really getting frustrated with that "You're wrong, Dr Phil" show. Most of the guests might have had valid points, but they couldn't articulate them at all. Not that I probably could keep my head in front of an audience and knowing I would be on TV, but still.

Skip the pie and proceed to pour tequila directly into your mouth. I recommend Patron silver -- more smooth than our friend, Jose.

I just want someone on those "ask Dr. Phil" shows to ask what qualifications give Jay and Robin any damn right to offer advice to people. Robin offering "intimacy" advice?
I have noticed, though, that Robin's "advice" is normally just cute little antecdotes about how her life is just so fucking peachy keen.

I'm really starting to loathe the McGraw family.

Remember when Stacey's husband (whatshisname) was upset because she wanted him to call and tell her where he was all the time? And she tried to tell Dr Phil it's because she doesn't trust him to make decisions? Yeah, not only is that totally hypocritical of her to want to keep tabs on him when he is clearly not the whorebag, but I thought her reason was b.s. Obviously, she wants to know where he is at all times so it's easier for her to get away with having affairs. Like if he calls from work and says, "I am on my way home right now. See you in 15 minutes", she can easily get her lover out of the house and be showered by the time he gets home. I'm on to that bitch.

Did anyone else catch that Chris said he and Stacey had been together for 9 years? I backed up the TiVo to make sure I heard it right. If Braden, the son from marriage #2 is 8 years old, wouldn't that mean that he and Stacey were together while she was still with Hubby #2? If that's so, don't feel so sorry for him - if she'd screw around on Hubby #2, he should have known she'd screw around on him too!

I missed the show today, but saw on my guide that Dr. Phil was supposed to give Stacy and Chris some shocking ultimatum...can someone fill me in as to what is was please? Thanks!

I forgot that this was on, so I tuned in just in time to hear Dr. Phil talking about how upset Stacey was about the tequilla pie incident, specifically because it is against their religion to have alcohol. And with that, I turned off the tv. I'm way too tired (already!) of Stacey picking and choosing which church rules she feels a need to get all high and mighty about.

But the curious side of me is wondering how this event played out. Did the kid realize that it has some sort of alcohol in it after the first bite and refuse to eat any more? Did she eat it, enjoy it, and then have the father loudly declare that she had sinned? Did she get wasted?

SnowDog,



Ha!

The dad said it was margarita pie, but somehow that didn't register with the girl or she just thought it was a name for a pie and not a drink, or something. But apparently after she had a tiny bite, it dawned on her or on Awful Stacy what he had said, and the shrieking began.

I don't think the alcohol being baked out mattered to them -- the idea that it was there at all was the problem. And I agree that it's really strange a friend (who presumably knew they were Mormon) would give them a pie with alcohol in it to start with.

So is he not a Mormon, so he could wolf down all the pie he wanted? Or is this just another example of she picks her religious rules to abide by (skipping anything mentioning adultery) and he picks his. Who knew the Mormon church was so flexible?

Dr. Phil said he didn't feel they were really doing the work required to heal their marriage, family situation, etc. and told them, "I either want you 100 percent in this process, or I want you 100 percent gone ... stop whining, stop complaining and start getting in the game."

I for one will be soooo disappointed if Stacy drops out. I am totally addicted to FUF2. They could provide us with YEARS of entertainment!

I am not sure I entirely liked the whole "with men, you need to spell it out with large clear dots and then connect the dots for them with giant red marker" discussion Phil had with the kid. I mean, I understand the need to be clear about what you need from people. But doesn't it work both ways? Don't the women need the men to do tht just as much? The way he dwelled on the "men" angle made it seem like his message was "Girls: men are stupid. Boys: it's okay to be stupid, because the women will take care of everything."

When do we get to see the updates on the Morbidly Obese Booty Camp? Or was that just a one-time show?

I unfortunately missed yesterday's family episode. I've been reading about it and I just can't believe that Dr Phil even allowed this who pie thing to become an issue. These people have much, much bigger fish to fry.

I don't think the marriage will survive because I just don't see Stacy really making the effort. I bet this is causing more fallout for her than she ever imagined:

- the adoptive parents of the baby must have heard of her exploits if not seen them and wish they could take back all contact they've had with her.
- her friends and neighbors probably run when they see her and talk behind her back - and that's only the ones who don't feel close enough to her to try to give her advice and she probably lashes out at them with the fury she wishes she could give Dr Phil on TV.
- I just can't believe that her pastor and fellow parishoners haven't seen how she's picking and choosing which tenets of their religion she is going to follow. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more uppity parishioners haven't made it clear they don't want her around their families in Church and/or that the head of the mormon church in Utah isn't trying to do some dammage control on the national bad face she is giving to their religion.

I wish Chris was in a better financial position to allow him to divorce her, get custody of his 2 children and leave Stacy far, far behind. Unfortunately, Brianna would be left twisting in the wind.

I'd like to chime in and say that I've had margarita pie before that contains no alcohol. It was a chilled pie made with a creamy filling, and margarita mix was mixed in to give it flavor. No booze. The same thing could have been done with frozen lemonade. The mix is harmless and gives the pie a really nice flavor.

Wow, I didn't even think of that. What an evil skank. You've got her number, El DeMarge.

Unbaked. But not a lot of liquor (by my standards) in it. I'm making the Strawberry pie soon.

Strawberry Margarita Pie
Frozen Margarita Pie

The sad thing is that one day the baby will find discs (or whatever they'll use in the future) of his biological mother's Dr.Phil appearances.

Yep, the older boy is already paying the playground price of everybody knowing his mom's a skank. I wish Dr. Phil would address this point more. He has done a pretty good job of convincing parents that they really damage their children when they fight in front of them so why is he holding back on this?

I wish someone would have told Brianna that the alcohol had all evaporated in the cooking whether it was actually true in that particular pie's case or not. The poor thing had made some sort of oath to herself about never touching liquor and now she feels like she's lost her booze virginity and might as well chug a fifth of vodka.
Hey, maybe that's what happened to Stacy! Maybe someone once told her that she wasn't a virgin anymore because she used a tampon and the rest is history.

Now those wedding problems.

I didn't have a big wedding so maybe I just don't get it but, it kind of seems to me, if Mom is doing all the leg work and forking over the $30,000 they say these things cost, then why is it wrong for her to have opinions? The girl actually said, "It's my way or the highway" to her mother! Why didn't DP tell Mom to take the money and go to Europe?

If Peggy Post really thinks that there are no rules then why should anyone buy her book?

Heh, sorry about the keyboard, Stardancer2001.

percolata:

$30,000? *twitch twitch* My fiance and I are trying to keep our wedding under $4000. I think the people paying for the wedding should have a big say in what happens at the wedding. This is why Future-Mr.SnowDog and I are paying for the damned thing ourselves. ;-)

I think Brianne was more upset about her stepfather not caring if she broke her dearly held religious vows. She said she felt betrayed. He was pretty shitty for doing that to her, but Stacy was worse because she watched Chris give her the pie and did nothing! A mom is supposed to look out for her children but Stacy is just looking out for Stacy.

I realised something when I saw the Debate Dr. Phil show. When Tony (the dad who let his kid play with guns, knives, and on the roof) came on the DP show, they had to get footage of the child doing all those things. This means they told Tony to allow his child to do said dangerous actions. Tony endangered his child because he didn't know any better; DP's crew endangered him for the sake of television. Maybe CPS should've been called on DP as well as the father.

Oh, and when the woman asked DP why he didn't call CPS and DP replied, "Well, why didn't you?" I wanted to shout "Because she doesn't know where they live, moron!"

I will never understand why people get so pissed off that their children aren't invited to weddings. Weddings are incredibly boring.
Do these same people get enraged when Billy and Susie aren't invited to cocktail parties or any other function that is an adult event?

I have a feeling that Stacy was being manipulative and made a big deal about the pie, causing her daughter to flip out more.

Re: Worst Wedding Story

I laughed at the bride's veil headpiece thingy. It was huge!!

I wonder how common it is for people to faint at weddings. The bridesmaid standing next to me at my sister's wedding passed out and I had to drop the bridal bouquet to catch her. Stupid worthless groomsmen just stood there and watched while I struggled to keep the poor girl from hitting the floor.

The third bridesmaid got into an argument with my sis the night before and told everyone she wouldn't show up. Apparently she was mad that she wasn't the maid-of-honor (I was. Nyah-nyah). She did show up (stoned) and while I was keeping Fainting Bridemaid upright, she was more worried about the bouquets!

All the crap with the mother vs. the bride made me so glad we just went to the courthouse. No muss, no fuss.

I got irritated today during the wedding episode. Dr. Phil may have some experience in healing friendships, but he really shouldn't be talking about wedding issues, IMO. Men are usually not the ones worrying about the issues regarding weddings, they leave it to the women and show up (there are notable exceptions and my husband is one). With the first segment, he tried to make it like it was both the bride and the maid of honor's "fault" that things turned out the way they did, and I think the maid of honor was totally in the wrong.

Bottom line when it comes to wedding planning is, everyone has to be adult about it. If someone's hosting a party, they have a right to say who is welcome and who is not.
Secondly, there's always the chance that one of your guests is the inconsiderate type that brings their kids anyway even when you ask them not to-even when you do the appropriate thing of not including the kids' names on the inside envelope of the invitation. Maid of honor should have realized those things and moved the hell on.

No kidding, kdog527. My mom's driving me nuts about the cake already. But, at least she's not as bad as Book Mom.

I understand there are rules and etiquette involved with weddings, but you really don't have to be so rigid. Most people have forgotten traditional etiquette anyway.

Thanks for the links to the recipes, zookeeny. Yummy!

I'll admit that I don't know if I could have kept my cool with everything going wrong at my wedding, like it did for that last poor woman, but I have to say, keeping a sense of humor is important when dealing with things that you can't control. However, I do sort of wonder about people who put too much emphasis on "the day". Yeah, it's supposed to be nice, but if it doesn't, you're still married to the person you love, right? And with the guest today, at least she can be sure that nobody will ever forget her wedding.


Exactly what my attitude was. I had to agree with Phil about getting married in a sack under a tree before being blackmailed. I've always felt that way. Some people, if not most, feel like if they've given or loaned you money, they own you. No thanks.

And, frighteningly enough, people do spend $30k on weddings. On one day. Whatever.

Since my brain has an exaggeration glitch I thought maybe I'd better research my 30k figure. Google figures say between 20 and 25 thousand for average U.S. wedding. In the UK it's 15, 000 pounds (which is probably where I got the 30,000 dollar figure since the exchange rate was two to one when I was there). In Korea? - $110,000. Wow. Looking back, my wedding was a little too small and chintsy but I was paying for it myself and sort of clueless about the whole thing but I still think there must be something in between the $1000 or so that I spent and $20,000. That's just female competion gone wild, I'm guessing.

Last wedding I attended a bridesmaid fainted.

I almost fainted when I was a bridesmaid at my cousin's wedding. I had 'locked' my knees while standing and it was soooo hot.

[totally self centered self important self righteous stuff about weddings]

I'm sure I'm completely in the minority, but I don't believe small kids should be at weddings or in weddings. I've been to too many weddings where babies squalled over the proceedings, several where the flower girls got stage fright and lost it, and one where the ring bearer got bored and crawled under the bride's dress. Everyone was so "isn't that cute?!" and I was saying, "No. And no. This is supposed to be a serious if not sacred occasion!"

But knowing that people are going to bring their kids regardless of what you ask, smart brides should hire a couple of the teenagers from the church to keep a nursery. Then the kids can join the folks at the reception. I put together "kid bags" with stickers and bubbles and other cheapie fun things to keep them distracted as well. I got the stuff from this super tacky mailorder house, along with these little bitty put-together-yourself planes that the adult guys went crazy over. Airplanes everywhere, it was a hoot.

[/totally self centered self important self righteous stuff about weddings]

Hexele:

We're not going to have flower girls or ringbearers in ours, and we're only inviting children who are family members. Most weddings and receptions are too long for young children to be on their best behavior. Even the sweetest kid can get twitchy after 1 hour. They need a chance to run around (and most of them do ;-).

This is why I think the first maid-of-honor shouldn't have been so upset that her children weren't invited. Many people don't want children at their weddings because they realize the kids don't care as much (plus, it's a quick way to save money on catering and such). Besides, people have the right to choose the people who attend their wedding.

Ewww now Dr. Phil is masking the FUF1 as a pimping of how good he is in the sack? GROSS. Marty is totally selfish, he doesn't give a flying fuck about Erin's needs and I have a strong feeling that its mutual. Marty is sleaze on a scum stick, he just gives me the creepin' willies when he smiles about it.

Ewww is right Katymo. The whole show had a huge ick factor for me. Robin and Phillip love each other sooooo much. She's such a prissy, plastic, predictable, Barbie doll woman with her roses and chocolate and candles and he's such a manly caveman who would protect her from all dragons and debtors prisons. That bit about Robin standing behind him with her head on his back and saying "I'll always be behind you." Argggh. It's like listening to newlyweds talk baby talk with each other. It's fine if they want to do that but don't make us have to sit through it.

I'm adding my ewwwwws to percolata and katymo. When Marty called himself a love machine, I almost vomited.

Why didn't the massive storm today blow out the DP show instead of Judge Judy? Whhhhhhyyyyy?????

I'm not quite sure, but I think today's Dr. Phil show may have reached a new low in the category of "Most Nauseating to Watch!" I agree with everything that's been posted about this episode thus far!!!!

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww Ewwwwwwwwwwwww Ewwwwwwwwwwww!

And add another big one one for good measure.................EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!


yuck

Did anyone else feel like they were watching "The Phil and Robin Show" today? I guess Robin is the show's romance expert now. But given that I read recently that Dr. Phil & Co. are in the works producing a show for Robin to host, I gather that this is practice for her.

And those meetings she had with Marty and Erin? I swear, they sounded like they were all reading from a script. Geesh!!

P.S. I still can't believe folks will go on national TV and expose all their dirty laundry and problems. Enough with the pregger daughter and dysfunctional family, but now your sex life? Man, these folks need to get a life!

First and foremost, I would like to apologize to everyone living on the East coast. The deafening, high-pitched sound you heard yesterday was me screaming and wailing in agony after watching Dr. Phil yesterday. Again, my apologies. If I ever in my life have to hear Robin say the phrase "I sense" I will snap into a psychotic rage. Shut up, Robin; You are not a marriage expert. You are a cerebrally-challenged, botoxed, Stepford wife who only appears on the show because your husband lets you. For this show, I curse you Dr.Phil. Do you hear me? A pox on thee!

Robin is just too much. When she pulled out the letter that Phil wrote her that she never shared with anyone else before.... Ugh. I can't believe she is giving advice and getting her own show.

Having worked for credible marriage and family therapists, the idea that Robin would be handing out marital advice like bubble gum to Nasty McBurningpee and his frigid missus is very repugnant to me. She truly could do much more harm than good, and those two need all the real help they can get.

It's irresponsible. I share the sentiments of everyone else here who has said the only thing she is qualified to counsel anyone on is how to look like a Stepford Wife.

I do think she's an attractive woman, even if she does love the Botox. Yet that doesn't make her qualified to give any sort of psychological advice.

I mean, by DP's logic, I should be able to go to my husband's company and be a Vice President of Technology, simply because I've been married to one for the past eight years.

(must contain rage... post eaten by server... HULK SMASH!)

Vay and her sister found fun ways to annoy me. At first, I agreed with her sister's opinion that Vay should be open to dating outside her race (which is what I did so it must be a good thing ;-). Then she had to go and say homosexual black men choose to be gay. GAG!

I would respect and understand Vay's position about not dating outside her race if her reason were something like, "I just don't find men of other races attractive." But saying she would be betraying her race because the White Man raped and enslaved her ancestors is silly. If everyone used her logic, Jewish-Ams would never date German-Ams, Greek-Ams would never date Italian-Ams, Irish-Ams would never date Norweigan-Ams, etc. Hell, some African-Ams would never date African-Ams whose ancestors were from rival tribes. The vast majority of races and ethnicities have practiced slavery at some point in their history.

I think I injured my eyes from rolling them so much.

I'll add that I could understand Vay wanting to marry someone with a similar background or life of experiences.

katymo:

HA! As if Halle would have him.

Oh man. If anyone here is feely particulary masochistic, head on over to the DP boards. Some guy said he had to find a Filapina bride in order to find a woman who would submit to the traditional role of women in a marriage. *vomit*