It's almost irony that both girls were named Fawn, as they did have a certain deer in the headlights quality.

Kudos to everyone who said Phil was over his head, it is a good observation.

These girls made me sad, the cult made me sad, and this entire episode left me depressed.

Yeah, but honest to god I was wondering the same thing and was hoping he'd ask. Dr. Phil is def. pop culture and these girls were devoid of any pop culture references.

Unfortunately since all these girls know is how to be lead, you're probably right. I thought the people who took them in were being a wee harsh when they made the comment how they were afraid the girls were going to return after all they'd done for them. I mean, after hearing the girls speak, I don't really think they wanted to return permanently but were missing their mom. I think they know they made the right decision; but when that is the only life they've ever known, it doesn't mean there's no remorse or guilt.

Was it the brother or his wife that said that? It would sound a little bit more understandable coming from her, seeing as she was never subjected to it.

I was also surprised that they just glossed right over the fact that the brother tried to kill the father. Admitting to that is sort of illegal, as I understand it.

Is it possible that Omarosa is more annoying now than she was on the Apprentice? She just made me NUTS! And Trump actually seemed relatively mild. I expected Phil to question her, but DT also did a good job, IMO.

Is there any point in watching today's Dr. Phil if you have never seen "The Apprentice"? Actually, the only knowledge I have of Omarosa and tonight's prime-time interviewee, Pat O'Brien, is via "Saturday Night Live" parodies. I suppose if Phil really puts the smackdown on 'em, it might be sort of fun anyway.

Loudfan,

I never watched the Apprentice, so alot of it was lost on me. All I know of Trump is I hate his big, ugly buildings here in NYC. Yuck.

Since I came into this show sort of tabula rasa regarding Omorosa, I hate to say that,in a way, I enjoyed her reistance to Phil, and her refusal to let him put words in her mouth or bully her. Even if she is, from what I've heard, sorta crazy (I really don't know, believe it or not), it was interesting in a Dueling Banjos sort of way.

Although it was interesting to see someone stand up to Dr. Phil, she still comes across as passive-aggressive and so self-involved. (FWIW, I don't think she's crazy but she's certainly narcissistic.) She is trying to get out of so many statements she has made. "If you say so, Dr. Phil..." She says things to provoke people, and then acts as if she never said anything or as if they are twisting her words.

I still don't get her whole point about black women being portrayed as nutbars on The Apprentice. Stacy J. may have been somewhat unfairly treated but that was greatly in result of the overreaction of the other Apprentices who decided they didn't like her. Omarosa chose to be a troublemaker. I find it is difficult to feel her indignation.

Dang!

Big Brother is still on the air? I'll say that I liked that this first "contestant" had her hair color done before the show, unlike some. She had a Melissa McCarthy- like look and giggle.

On thing you gotta give Omarosa is that she IS right about Trump. Is she the only Ap who's piped up in public about his stupidosity? Maybe Verna, I guess.

Y'all, I was watching with the sound OFF and I could tell that one of the Barbies (at least) was drugged up.

But props to the surgeon who gave them identical nosejobs. That shit is HARD.

OMG Can't believe that they devoted a whole hour to All Pat O'brien all the time. I figured they would go with about 1/3 O'Brien and then some other stories. I haven't even heard about his big controversy until the last couple of days when they were promo-ing (sp?) the show. Luckilly I flipped about 1/4 of the way through.

I kept thinking why would Pat O Brien put himself through this interview.

Golly Gee Whiz, Phil. Way to charge in a day late and a dollar short.

Phil: You were drunk, weren't you?
O'Brien: Oh yeah. I was out of control.
Phil: In fact, you were really drunk, weren't you? Admit it!
O'Brien. I just told you I was. I was plastered. I don't remember a thing.
Phil: In fact, you don't remember a thing, do you?
O'Brien: I just said I don't remember a thing. Because I was drunk.
Phil: You need to get control!
O'Brien: I just got out of rehab. I'm sober now.
::crickets::
::crickets::
Phil: But you were drunk, weren't you?


Cracked my shit up.

Thank you! I meant it when I said I honestly know nothing about this person. I appreciate the insight, building off of what Loudfan said, many of us who didn't watch the show are sort of lost when these people, like Omorosa, show up.

Thanks for giving me the low down, I honestly know nothing about this woman than her name and some general BS.

Three self-aggrandizing individuals going head-to-head. I am amazed my TV didn't self-destruct in protest!

Did you notice the creative editing? During the preview for the show, Omarosa says to Shill "What ever you say Dr Phil!". Then he replies "You need therapy".
As it turns out he actually said those words to the first guest- the lady who was addicted to reality television- but the preview made you think he said it to Omarosa. Such sleazy editing!

All I saw of Omarosa tonight was someone completely incapable of owning up to the fact that she chose to play the part and then later decided to blame the part-playing on someone else. Regardless of why she played the part, no one forced her into it, so be a man and suck it up.

When Dr. Phil called her on that (note: he did NOT try to put words in her mouth - he asked questions she did nothing but dance around) she evaded, manipulated so she'd look like the victim, and did some grandstanding and "hee hee"ing in attempt to avoid answering the question.

She's a great suck-upper and a great BS'er, but she's got a lot of interest in being passive-aggressive, and I'd rather beat my head against the wall (as it'd result in more communication) than spend time with her.

Oops! What the Phuck?

Yes, Myra, I noticed the bait and switch.

What Omarosa is too self-involved to realize is that her lying, manipulation and evasion is totally obvious to anyone who has ever lied, manipulated or evaded. She's just not very good at the bullshit - like a 7 year old who thinks you totally buy his story.

When Trump said they had her on tape lying and she said gulped and started wrapping everythingupreallyfast: "Okay, well, I appreciate the opportunity to be on your show..."...hilarious!!!

I just wish that when it becomes obvious that someone isn't getting your intent - rather than simply repeating the same phrase (such as "capitalized on your fame") would find a different way of saying it! I believe Trump was asking her if she'd taught herself to fish, rather than just buying herself some. No?

SO unbelievably irritating. My irritation stemmed from when Shill was hammering on him for not remembering what he did, etc. When all the time on the show when he deals with relatives of addicts, he says "You're not talking to the person, you're talking to the DISEASE." So when O'Brien said, "That person on the voice mails isn't me (to mean, the real me, it was the alcohol)", Phil seized upon it as if it were denial or something. Whereas O'Brien was saying the exact same idea that Shill uses on the show all the time.

Nothing to bust him on, Phil. That dog just wouldn't hunt!

The Pat O'Brien "special" was a complete waste of time, Phil seemed to care more about embarassing Pat further than Pat did about all the people he's embarassed already. Does he have emotions? But yeah, those phone messages were nasty.

The good 'doctor' exploits SO many of his guests, it was actually quite a thrill to see Omorosa try to smack him down. She seems to understand reality TV (which the Phil show is, essentially) in ways that threaten Phil. For my money, I can't see enough of a threatened, blustering Phil.

Naw, next sweeps Robin will take them to the gynecologist

What happens to all the young men chased out when they reach the age that they might be looking for mates? Conceivably these girls all have 5-10 completely ignorant brothers. What becomes of them in the world?

This was the whole reason for me to watch this episode. I find Omorosa to be the most hideous type of human being out there. To her, we are all out here to pump up her life. Our reason for being is her lifestyle. She's a nasty bitch, self-centered to the point of being narcissistic, opportunistic, and manipulative. And, oh yeah, she's as transparent as my living room window. I hated her on The Apprentice, but, in spite of her protestations to the opposite, I watched the show because of the show and NOT because of her. To me, the end of the season, when the hiring takes place, is the best part of the series. And she just wasn't there. As for watching her as a celebrity, I was aware of her appearance on Fear Factor (thanks to the network promo monkeys) but didn't watch because I don't watch Fear Factor, but I was frankly unaware that she has been on 25 other (at least, according to her claims) shows. Omorosa, I am afraid that you are not the center of the Entertainment Universe. You just happen to be on some shows that people watch anyway. You really shouldn't take credit for the ratings --- I'll betcha dollars to donuts that those ratings would happen whether you are on or not. Anyway, I figured this Dr. Phil epi would be a win-win for me. Either Dr. Phil wins the Battle of the Titans, or Omorosa does. Both of these imply that the other LOSES!!! Woo-hoo!! And Dr. Phil has the power of editing on his side. In the end, this epi disappointed me. Omorosa was as slick as a greased pig, and Dr. Phil let her get away with it. In the end, my win-win turned into a draw-draw.

Oh, BTW, I watched this epi because I am hooked on Reality TV shows. Not as bad as guest #1, though. What was her name?? Does it matter??? This nut is trying to trade-in her entire family for a chance to appear on a Reality Show??!!!??? She looked like she was about to cum in her undies right there on The Dr. Phil Show stage!! She looked like she thought that THIS was going to be her stepping stone to Big Brother. Hey lady, this WAS your 15 minutes of fame!! Fade to black. I hope it was good. Sorry I can't remember your name. Ha!

Saw the PO thing last night. Why? I dunno. Probably b/c I like DP.

1) I always considered PO to be a schmuck but he is actually or was a serious journalist.
2) 57 and doing coke? Wow... just wow. I feel sorry for him b/c if you are doing coke in your 50s, you got serious issues.
3) I cracked up when they played the messages. I had already heard them on the Wendy Williams' show. I can see the point in playing them and I can't see the point in playing them. And as a woman I wasn't offended or appalled by what he said. People say some fucked up shit when they are high. You gotta take it with a grain of salt unless they threaten to kill you or something.
4) I was kinda pissed off when DP was like you don't sound drunk but you were high. What? What difference does it make? He wasn't in his right mind. And DP also pissed me off because he had this look on his face like he wanted PO to give him the answer that he (DP) wanted.
5) Did the atmosphere feel staged or just off to anyone else?
6) PAT NEVER EVER WEAR THOSE RIPPED UP JEANS AGAIN! THEY ARE WRONG. SO VERY WRONG.
7) MichaelfuckingJackson and RfuckingKelly have gotten second chances when they have been accused of some sick shit. PO got a little crazy. If his son can forgive him, who the fuck cares if no else does?

After a half hour of watching this I realized that Pat O'brien: a) is sleazy to the core; b) has no interest in owning up to anything he's done wrong that hasn't been caught on tape; c) fled to rehab to try to mollify a bad situation and; d) is doing this interview as an insincere mea culpa so that the press may die down and allow him to go back to his old ways.

The moment they were about to trot out his kid, I had to change the channel.

All I kept thinking about during that horrid interview was Pat O'Brian=poor man's Bill O'Reilly.

Phil's little "did you think you were so famous and so powerful that you could do anything you want" speech made me cringe a little. He was so sanctimonious. And also: was anyone really that horrified by those conversations? I mean really, I've heard much worse stuff yelled from the frat balconies downtown. Sad and pathetic, yes. Shocking and career-endingly offensive? Not so much.

Well today has clinched it I now join the chorus in saying: Dr. Phil you stink! What was up with that "you can't discipline him" garbage? Like hell she can! When she got married to Wes's dad and moved in with them she became the second primary caregiver. Not the bimbo who bought him beer at the rodeo because he was thirsty! She along with his dad decide how to punish him for bad behaviour. Does "this is a partnership" ring any bells Phil?!

While I do agree with your post, I think that DP was just trying to get Dad to clue in. He seemed like he was in complete denial to the severity of the problem. I don't think that the stepmom should be the ONLY disciplinarian. I just know that if my ex-stepmom had tried to discipline me, then that would have went over like a turd in a punchbowl. And DP can have that one- I know how fond he is of country-fried sayings.

Maybe I'm a little late to this party (I've never actually watched DP's daytime show), but I caught the Pat O'Brien special last night, and was shocked. That "Doctor" Phil was the most self-righteous, sanctimonious dickhead I've ever seen. I was hoping that Pat would get out of his chair, knock that fat load over, and snort a line of coke off his saggy ass. Who made Dr. Phil the judge and jury over what old Pat did. Personally, I don't think it was that bad. Embarrassing, yes, but he doesn't owe Dr. Phil and/or the American TV audience anything. God, I would hate to have a recording of every drunk-dial I ever made in my life. And then after berating him for 55 minutes, he gives him that little pat-on-the-head "your a good dad speech" . Jeez... thanks, Pope Phillip for your forgiveness, now I can go on with my career as a celebrity journalist... what a dickslap.

Fortunately, I missed this prime-time debacle but I am curious as to what Pat O'Brien's drunk messages alluded to? Can someone fill me in?

They run them out of town, drive them to places like Las Vegas and dump them off. They are often referred to as the Lost Boys. Gotta keep the competition for the girls down.

I can't help you on the context, Marigold, but Jon Stewart's moment of Zen included a portion of the message:

"You are so (starstarstarstar) hot.

Let's have sex.

I wanna (starstarstarstar) you."

The stuff on Dr. Phil, even with *bleeps* was pretty tame. The stuff on the internet was cringeworthy.

See, I'm usually pretty aware of what's going on in the world of news, media, and pop culture. And until I saw the Dr. Phil commercial for this special, I had no idea Pat O'Brien had anything going on. So I dunno, was there much press to die down? Or maybe I jsut don't watch enough Hard Copy or whatever shows carried this.

Totally agree. The only reason I watched this show was to see Omarosa and I loved her resistance to Phil.

I've often wished for a computer program that recognizes drunk typing, especially in emails, and doesn't allow me to "send." That would be sweet.

You're right, though, it's not like he owed the viewing public any sort of apology, it's not like he called us or anything.

Shill owing an apology to the viewing public, however, is another thing entirely...

Someone just invented something like that! I just read about it recently. You can get some program on your phone that blocks your ability to dial certain phone numbers at late hours, thereby keeping you any drunk dialing.

I'm so pissed I missed the Dr. Phil/PO smackdown! Did we ever find out who Betsy is?
I heard she's so fuckin' hot.

The story is PO got blitzed off some alcohol and coke. He called his GF from one room in their hotel suite. IOW they were in the same location, it was stupid to call her. Anyway, he basically said let's get crazy, let's get a hooker, let's get some more coke, she was hot and he wants her so bad only he used the word "fuck" and all its versions. I thought it was funny.

There is a pretty funny bit on TVGasm.com where they did a mash-up of Pat O'Brien's phone messages with Rosie O'Donnell (from her "Riding The Bus With My Sister" movie, where she plays a mentally challenged woman). Worth a listen, but NSFW as it contains plenty of profanity, courtesy of Pat!

Today's show sucked. I'll admit that I teared up a bit when he gave the mother of triplets all of that stuff. When Robin whipped out her favorite Mother's Day gifts, I wanted to puke. When they then paraded out those two douchebags, I did puke.

Thanks, Dr. Phil, for ruining another show with your crappy family.

BTW, if anyone wants to see real generosity in action, you should have seen Ellen today. No cheap makeup and ugly tote bags there. She sent the entire audience on a trip to Vegas, complete with a shopping spree.

Just when you think this guy couldn't be more of a moron, he proves you wrong again.

Scenario: Widowed mother, attempting to put her son through college, in debt to her eyeballs.

Phil's solution: Give her a new Mercedes Benz "M" Class, base price of $40,470. Notice there was not a word about paying the taxes on this l'il beauty. When Oprah gave out the Pontiac G6's (price range of $18-$26K) the taxes were $7,000. Good thinkin', Phillsy - give her a $15,000 tax bill, hefty insurance premiums, and a walk-through-the-door tab of at least $500 for every servicing, with parts and labor not included.

Jackass.

Robo-Robin, BBJ, and Jordass - get the hell off my TV.

YES! I was having the same thoughts. The only thing that car is going to be good for is selling, as far as her situation goes. Because having a Mercedes is not much fun when you can't even pay your basic bills.

I was actually suprised that I liked a few (2) of the things that Robin showed for mother's day presents. Too bad they are waaay out of the average person's price range....

I love the pink iPod, in fact I have that exact same one (and my mom already has one)...to bad my parents had to buy me it for christmas (sans special loving engraving), because as a college student (working at a non-paying internship) I can't afford to spend $300 on a music player. The other thing that my mother would have liked was the picture frames (not the purses(cringe)...I actually told my mom about that and the thought of having a big purse with pictures of her grown children on it, made her laugh and laugh.) I looked up those frames and that teeny tiny one they gave the audience, can be yours for only a few hundred dollars. I can buy my mother a full sized 3x5 (read: useful) frame for only a few hundred more. Yeah Dr. Phil and Robin...I will run right out and buy one.

Everything else didn't really float my boat (not that I could afford anything else on that table anyways (except the lame Kohl's makeup). Oh well.

Next Fri.:

"Congratulations! You've wasted 500 hours of your life!" Perhaps the special gift will be one of those fugly purses with a photo of Phil, Robin, BBJ & Jordan printed on it.
And what of the TWoP, uh, "superfans"? Not only do we watch every episode of the show, but we snark about it afterwards!

Where's my Prada bag shaped like BBJay with the Yankee votives inside? I've not only watched most of Phil's Fine Home Prairie Hour but I've even made notes of where he might improve the whole shebang. Like when he was doing his polygamy show he could have done a bit on polyandry, which although theoretical, could have brought forth lots of titters and winks about dongs. Plus it would have been a good showcase for his close friend Miss Elizabeth Taylor, who although married serially, could have been propped up on stage and given out wisdom about marriage, Hollywood,Michael Jackson's sanity, collagen, Eddie Fisher's tiny genitals, camera filters,and her Maltese, "Sugar."

Eventually Ole Phil is going to jettison the psychobabble entirely and will end up with a late night talk show where he can do skits and interview scantily clad starlets and old ladies who collect potato chips that look like shoes. Mark my words. His parting words will be about how he tried to make a difference but was cast off and no one wants to hear his holy solutions for saving the world and the family and the sacred role of the weaker sex. Well, no shit.

Did you check under your seat?

Now, that is what I believe is the better route to go if Dr.Phil wants to give back. I did think it was nice that he gave the mother with terminal cancer a trip that she and her children could enjoy in her final months. But, the lady with triplets?! I, for one, do not feel that this a good example to be setting for the younger generation, having them thinking, "Oh, I'll just use fertility treatments and Dr.P or Oprah or the town will help us out with massive donations!" It is a choice to have children--please be able to support them without relying on your hard-working parents trying to enjoy their hard-earned retirement. I have no problem with 1-2 gifts, but our country's financial situation would be much better if more people did not have more kids than they are able to support. (OT-Don't implant more than two embryos.)

Dr.Phil and others need to give back to those who are truley in situations that are out of their control, NOT those which are choices.

Wow, loudfan's post reminded me that I, too, have wasted lots of time on this horrible, horrible show. But I can't look away! I'll definitely tune in to see what Alex has done this time.

I agree with you, Kat20, but was it ever specified that she became pregnant with triplets by choice? I figured she took one of those fertility drugs to get one child, and ended up with three. I can understand the money problems in that case. What I don't understand is why her poor mother stayed with them four nights a week. If she can't handle three children now, she won't be able to handle them when they're two.

My prediction: Alex is pregnant again...... with TWINS.

She didn't say if she did any treatments or if she took fertility drugs. Whether she did insemination or took drugs, it's a choice either way; she could have reduced to twins, which is what everyone should do. Unfortunately, the extensive coverage of those septuplets has set a bad example for those younger, thinking they can rely on outside help, when it should only be two parents raising the children. Don't have more than you can afford, it's that simple. If you want kids and can't conceive naturally, explore adoption or forgo kids and get a pet. I think God has different plans for everyone. (OT-If anyone wants to read about the health risks of fertility treatments, I would strongly recommend anything by Sylvia Hewlett.)