nah she's got a twin brother, no need to worry (unless he's a drag)

I thought kitty was ok with BBJ's new Girlie because she's part of a triplet, so she can sooo relate to her (remember the Bush interview?) but since that show with the jordan-is-leaving-for-college-cry-fest i kinda have my doubts...

It seems like both sides of that family are growing exponentially. Quick Henry, the Flit!

If anyone missed last night's SNL with host Tom Brady you may want to try to catch it when it's re-run. Chris Parnell does an awesome impression of Dr Phil. It's pretty snarky and spot on so even if you're not a fan of SNL it's worth catching.

That was hilarious. He even looked like him a lot. So much so that it was scary.

Tom Brady was pretty good, too. Not the best actor, but clearly enjoyed doing it and did lots of singing and dancing (that Chicago Bears BTM cracked me up!). That stuff with him as the unemotional husband married to Rachel Dratch was priceless.

I agree that the impression was dead-on, but I thought it was Daryl Hammond who was Dr. Phil?

Nonetheless, it was uncanny- they even had the little video of the wife explaining why her husband sucks, w/examples & everything.

I hoped that Kitty would make a special appearance, but alas, we were sans la chienne.

I guess it would take weeks for an actress to perfect that "gravel in a blender" voice. Hopefully, next time. The characterization was dead-on with the gibberish "tests."

I think the Phil Phamily would do all kinds of great on an episode of punk'd. One of his sons brings home a chubby girl with opinions. That's all.

Hysterical! Yeah, that's all it'd take to send $hill around the bend. I'd even volunteer, but I'm too old for the $hill spawn.

I fit the description, turn 20 this thursday, so about the right age for either one of 'em, and on top of it all i'm from Amsterdam, Holland, which ofcourse caused me to be a little uhm... lets say "mixed up" Aaahhhh... please! pick me! pick me! i wanna torture $hill and Kitty

...they really should punk him though... it's their duty

I'm sure there was a lesson in today's show, beyond the obvious one that if you are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and the IRS agents are walking around on your porch clearing their throats, it may be time to sell your $22,000 ring and your string of sports cars.

Phil reminded one and all that no money problem was ever cured with money. To believe otherwise shows a lack of fortitude, a lukewarm IQ and a foolhardy deficit of the imagination that God gave goats. If the bottom suddenly fell out on the genus pompous shrinkus well, you know, hot damn, he would sell everything and live in a Porta-potty perched on the side of a rocky cliff because it would mean sweet freedom and no worries and not always living under the Bank's big thumb. Uh huh. And Kitty would write you religiously.

(Posts have been kinda slow lately, where is everyone?)

Anyway, I'm surprised these ppl still have a leg to stand on. Literally. I cannot imagine being in that much debt, and not die in a puddle of depression. How can you even sleep at night? And did anyone here the lady joking about how much overdraft she'd owe when she was making an online purchase? That is not funny. These ppl are fully aware that they don't have the funds in the bank but continue to buy these items knowing the bank will pay it anway. Which will result in overdraft...huh?? Are they crazy?

After two months with no local channels, I finally got them back today (stinkin' Directv.) What was the first thing I watched? Dr. Shill! Life is good!

Couple who spent money on trips and jewelry: I really disliked them and her constant joking about the situation and blaming it all on her husband. Sell the ring and the watches, people! Get out of debt, amass some savings, then buy a new anniversary ring, with cash.

Jerky inventor and inexperienced-in-business fiance: I hope that she runs far away from this idiot. Unless he makes a huge change in his life expectations, she will always be fighting for a decent life. If he was doing so well with his company, but did not like the financial side, he should have hired an accountant. That they are living in a pole barn while he still has all his cars and a Harley, there are no words. Run, nice girl, run!

Overly tanned Ted McGinley look-a-like and his girlfriend who is just happy to have a good looking boyfriend: See above. She also needs to not get dragged into his morass of problems. Paying the IRS and his child support should be his top priorities, not going out to eat or going on vacations with a girlfriend gullible enough to pay his way.

The guests today were just sad and delusional about their finances. How does one get into $750,000 in debt. That guy had what 5 or 6 sports cars and didn't even seem to have much of a life besides work. Maybe he should just file for bankruptcy at this point. I know of people who have had far less debt who have filed. Mine as well take advantage of it while is is still available. What about the guy who hasn't paid his taxes in 4 years? Does he think the IRS is nice and understanding? If I were him I'd be looking over my shoulder every minute.

I gotta say I don't feel that bad for people who screw up and know it and still don't change. Maybe these people feel that since they are already in a lot of debt that a bit more won't hurt. Of course after a while, when the debt doubles or triples, they'll be sorry they were so stupid.

I just read through the recap for tommorow's show (did you know if you search the topics of upcoming shows, instead of going to the "whats coming up" catergory, you can read the full summaries early?) anyways- I was looking at the pictures of BBJ (haven't really seen him much this season) and maybe it was just the angle or the verticle striped shirt, but he actually looks like he might have lost some weight.

Who knows-maybe he found this board and wanted to lose the BB of BBJ (do you think this board fits the shows description of "cyber bulling"?)or maybe his playmate girlfriend whipped him into shape.

Or maybe I am just seeing things, I will have to watch the actual show tommorow to know for sure.

Does anyone else think Virginia (the wife in the first broke couple) was wearing that flowing scarf because she's a man, baby (or used to be one)? I notice how it carefully covered her throat, where her Adam's apple would be... something about her just struck me as mannish.

Well, he could always "throw" a paper route, now can't he? We all can vehemently testify to his ability to do that.
May be true but won't be for long. Kitty's gonna have to focus all her time, attention, and culinary skills upon BBJ now that Baby Jordy is flying from the nest. Expect "the good people " at Rod's Big and Tall for Men to become a new sponsor of Shill's show.
Hey, can't remember where but I read about this Carribean or Mexican resort that caters to and actively markets to obese people--double wide lounge chairs, all that stuff. Maybe SHill can send the overweight female guests he so actively dissaproves of (and the soon-to-be-obese BBJ) to there instead of Sandals?

Kudos to the schedulers on Dr. Phil for finding completely clueless couples. Man, I wanted to slap that first wife when she asked if she could buy something as a reward for spending down debt. What the $#_)($#??? I mean, she acts like a teenager in an adult's body. No clue. And they don't sell a $22k ring when they knew it was a bad purchase to start??? Buying $1200 swing sets? I can imagine the conversation 10 years from now, "Ok, honey, I don't have a college fund for you, but wasn't that swing set really fun?"

I agree about the second couple -- honey, run while you have time. His beeauuttiful cars are more important than a real house and yard for you and any children you might have. He doesn't like to spend time on finances, and tries to force you to take the responsibility for it so he can avoid it. Run, Lola, Run!

Missed part of the third couple, but his face was the clue. Completely resistant to any change in his lifestyle even tho' he's up against the Feds. Again, run Honey, while you still have a credit background worth having.
What did he say that made Harvard gal go so ballistic on him?

And why was there no discussion of a pre-nup for the engaged couples? I would think signing a pre-nup that made clear that each couple is responsible for their own debts on their individual credit lines would be crucial to their futures...

Phil bungles another truly important issue.

The whole anti-bullying rally of "Love yourself and screw anyone who doesn't!" works really well for someone who managed to survive those years and either become a huge success (Clay) or actually find a sense of inner-strength and self esteem. As nice as it is as a sentiment, a 14 year old kid being bullied at school isn't likely to be able to act on it.

Also, Clay seemed to be there only for the attention and not to actually help the two bullied kids. What a shocker. I also found it assinine for Phil to do a show like this when it would be surprising if he WASN'T a bully in school.

I couldn't watch the rest of today's ep--especially after that whole treacly crap about "there's someone here who wants to meet you." I knew it was gonna be that fuckface Clay, and I can't fucking stand his weird, hobbit-elf face and glory-note assassinating ass.

Further, all that "Greatest Love of All" crap only works when that person doesn't feel completely isolated. Shill should have had the officials from each of the schools involved--it's really telling that parents of the bullies wouldn't appear.



I yelled at my tv, "YOU'RE a fucking bully! Hypocrite!"

Couldn't you just picture young Phil (still can't imagine him with hair though) screaming "That dog won't hunt! SWIRLY TIME!! How's this working fer ya?!!" at some spindly geek?

Did anyone else think there might be more to the first bullying story today, (the one with Tess)? I know they mentioned her being afraid to go down certain halls at school, but it seemed like most of it was the "cyber-bullying" which I guess I may be naive, but that should be easy to stop.

1. Change your screenname.
2. Don't go to that girls blog, if you know she is saying bad things about you.
3. Contact the ISP provider.
4. Contact the police.

Like I said I can see the school getting involved with things that take place at school, but it really bothers me if they are trying to police what kids do at home. That is the parents job and, failing that the proper authorities. I also thought the Mom and Tess looked just a little too smug when Shill was telling them how the bullies were just jealous. We also only saw IM's and message which they picked out, who knows if she has flamed back(or even who really started it). It would have been nice to hear the other side, but honestly knowing how people get treated by Shill, if my kids were involved I wouldn't go on either, whether they were completly at fault or completly innocent. I am not defending them. If they are half as bad as portrayed here I hope someone lowers the boom on them. I know that when lil'DBolt gets bigger, if another parent comes to me I will get to the bottom of it and, if he is at fault, he will be in for it and I will put a stop to it.

I would worry about these kids that have appeared on Dr. Phil's show because they have been bullied. Is Dr. Phil going to protect them? Forever? Don't you think it just might make it WORSE for some of these kids?

The odds are, It will make it worse for the kids that are still in school. A girl in my high school went on Jenny Jones because she got teased, it made it about 100 times worse for her, it went from a few people know who she was and teasing her to all 3000 kids in the school knowing who she was, and a good portion of them teasing her.

I also thought something more was up with the first girl, I mean it seemed really horrible what they were saying, but a girl that looks like that, pretty but not supermodel pretty or anything, shouldn't be getting teased like that. Unless there was at least a grain of truth in what they were saying. Not that she deserved that, but still.

I thought this too-- even if she switched schools in two years, someone would dig up the Dr. Phil tape and spread it around. Hell, even when she goes to college someone is going to dig this up.

I admit I didn't watch the whole show, but I also thought, "Why doesn't she change her IM screen name?" It seems like an obvious step to ameliorate the problem of constant harassment. If her trusted friends give out her new IM name, then heck, just start using the phone like we did 10 years ago!

cwih57, I also wondered if there was some fire underneath all the smoke of all the comments of "Stop stealing other people's guys!" Maybe it happened once, or she started dating some popular girl's ex-boyfriend, or something. Switching schools really should have solved the problem, unless the town is so small that everyone knows each other. I know of some other girls who had a hard time socially in a public school (it wasn't this bad, but lots of teasing, etc.), and her parents pulled her out mid-year and put her in private school, and it was a lot better.

I too thought there was more going on with that first girl's story, and agree that she looked smug about it at the end of her segment. It seemed odd to me that she was saying that people who didn't know her were messaging insulting things to her. She said something to the effect of "even people in Florida were emailing her." That seemed odd to me.

It reminds me of television shows where a kid who was supposedly an outcast is played by an attractive person. I always thought it was stupid because in real life people who looked like they did were not unpopular.

Also, I'm a huge Clay fan and I watched the show specifically because he was going to be on, but I though his appearance was pretty useless.

Greatest American???

You've got to be shittin' me... and i thought the greatest dutchman was one big joke...

I don't think attractiveness necessarily protects a kid from bullying. A girl in my sister's class got teased out of school partly because she was pretty and talented...not supermodel beautiful or monumentally talented, but she was just visible enough to get noticed and picked on, if that makes any sense. Like if she'd been a wallflower, or fat, she wouldn't have even registered with them and she would have been mostly unbothered. Anyway, a couple girls started rumors that she was a slut, and used drugs, and all kinds of really terrible things. Her mother went to the administration but they wouldn't do anything about it, so she pulled her daughter out of the school. The girls who bullied her actually talked openly about it in front of a teacher a couple years later...it was awful, and there was no reason for it except that they were total sickos and got off on it. They actually said in front of a teacher "oh, I hated that bitch, I'm so glad we drove her away." Fucking nutbars. And they didn't really even get in trouble for it, the teacher basically just said "that's not very nice!" and left it at that.

mutya

Don't'cha find it interesting that three of the ten blocks are taken up by Bushes??

I was a little confused by the first woman on today's show. She always wanted to reconnect with her daughter and she searched long and hard for her and then when she found her they just kind of ...... lost touch? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. She loved her and longed for her but then what? She couldn't be bothered to retun her phone calls? It was weird.

This greatest Americans list has to be a joke. C'mon.... Tom Cruise, Michael Jackson and Dr. Shill are in with the likes of Martin Luther King, George Washington and Albert Einstein. It boogles the mind.

What boggles the mind is that some of the entries aren't even American. Since when was Einstein American?

Actually Nikola Tesla was not born in the US either. But I would rather he won than some wanna-be shrink that dispenses bad advice on a daily basis.

I watched the first 5-10 mins of this trainwreck because the commercial with KingLordGod Dr. Phil being so indignant with the Alleged Bully from THIRTY YEARS AGO who couldn't recall the woman she had tormented so horribly was just too funny to miss:

KLG Dr Phil: You don't remember? That's mighty dismissive & arrogant.

Alleged Bully: (Blank Look, Perky smile, Eyes widening) Um. Still not remembering. (Resume blank look and Perky smile)

Snerk.

Anyway. So yeah, she has a baby very young, wants to reconnect and they finally do get to talk. Then, what? You can't return a call? Send an email? A smoke signal? WTF?

So. Then I had a terribly important appointment with Judge Judy. Did the woman have a ''surprise reunion'' with the daughter she uh, forgot to call back? More importantly did the Alleged Bully ever cop to remembering anything so KLG Dr Phil (who wasn't you know there or anything) would get out of her grill?

Ugh, the show with the "alleged bully" as someone put it REALLY made me mad. First of all, it has been THIRTY YEARS. I was bullied in middle school BADLY, to the point that eventually I switched schools. I managed to get on with my life though, and I am now 25 and I haven't thought about the bullying since...um, probably a year after it happened. There comes a time when you have to be the bigger person and realize "Yeah, these people were rotten to me, but I am a good person and I need to move on with my life and forget about it." If you let what one group of people says to you affect you for the rest of your life, there is mroe going on there and you might need to talk to someone...say, THIRTY YEARS AGO when it was happening. And NOT Dr. Phil.
As for the "bully" I can totally see hwo she would have forgotten teasing someone. I'm sure we have all teased someone at one point in our lives. I consider myself a nice person, but at some point I'm sure I have. And if they took me on a damn talk show and was like "You said bad things about me and I have been miserable ever since" I probably wouldn't remember them. MOST PEOPLE WOULDNT. Man, Dr. Phil is a complete ass.

I was just waiting for DR Phil to tell her that if she is still crying over something that happened 30 years ago then it is her problem and not the "bully's". Come on - she is still hurting? Move On. I thought Dr Phil (I am not a regular watcher) was supposed to be tough and no nonsense - why was he babying her? And he totally should have called her out when she said it was the bully's fault she didnt go to college. Her stewing over it was doing much more damage than anything the bully actually said. The only thing he said that I agreed with was that she was using it to give up ownership (control I think is what he said) of her life.

And for the record, I had a kid that would throw candy at me on the school bus everyday and make fun of me constantly. I cant even remember his name anymore - and I have only been out of school half the time she had.

Yesterday's show, with the ladies in pink who may or may not have bullied/been bullied, was one of the strangest that I have ever seen. Shill kept saying that Susan needed to do some healing and forgiving before she reconnected with her daughter, but then he brings the daughter out 30 minutes later. Huh? Man, that's some fast healing.

I could be wrong, but I think that E.J. did the bullying and does remember. She had been teased as a child herself, she brought up, and I think that as a pretty teen she decided to inflict the pain onto someone else. E.J. made the "arrogant" comment that at the 10 and 20 year reunions, none of E.J.'s friends remembered Susan. Does that mean that E.J. brought the subject up, twice, and her friends all had blank looks on their faces? Or does it mean that they never talked about it, and that's why she thinks they didn't remember? E.J. was only on the show so that she could get a free trip and be on national television.

I was surprised that this was the only feature for the whole show. Way too long a time for this weirdness.

becca656,

Uhm... I think it's better to refrain from any political statements, since I live in a country that politically is like a banana republic, and, just in case somebody missed this, our prime minister looks like Harry Potter...

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlni...lkenende210.jpg

really I just can't go make fun of George W. & Co. not while we have this as our "leader"

but I have to say, the greatest Dutchman was funny (like: oops-we-"forgot"- to-count-a-couple-of-votes-and-now-we-named-the-wrong-person-the-greatest-dutchman-and-oops-it-came-out-funny) but the greatest american seems to be funnier, and it just started! Awww I love America, anyone wanna adopt me?


*Note to self: Gotta learn how to spell*

I figured she did as well but didnt want to embarass herself on national tv. I would have denied it too - I think we all did things as teenagers we are not proud of. She wanted to talk to the other one after the show so I am guessing maybe she will admit it then.

He renounced his German citizenship in 1940, after he came to the United States, and became an American citizen.

Oh my! That was when this thing went WAY over the cliff! That's when DrP should have pulled over and pegged her on that. He gave EJ more hell for saying no one remembered her (meaning obviously her name was brought up?!).
This statement was proof enough that this "obsession" was over the top and much more intense than we allow on afternoon tv.
And EJ probably did remember after it all got started but it was too late to say, "OOOHHH!! That was you???!!!". IMHO, I thought she came across as the voice of reason but DrP and Sue weren't ready to stop wallowing JUST yet.

I found it bizarre-o too how Sue and daughter "lost touch". As well, interesting how the daughter wasn't exactly giddy about the reunion. I got the feeling they probably "lost touch" thanks to the daughter.... realizing her bio-mom was over the top squirrely and a neurotic downer.
Just looking at Sue and EJ, Sue looked at least 10 yrs older as she has let all that crapola age her.
After 30 FRICKIN' YEARS of carrying that nonsense (yes, nonsense... it was high school which is a pain in the ass at any age!) .... I was waiting for the "how's that workin' for ya??". I would have paid EJ to ask her that!
Personally, that EJ is more patient than me. My first reply to Sue would have been "are you serious? .... you're kidding, right?".

Move along people... there's nothing to see here....

Susan did look older than EJ but EJ hasn't aged too well herself. However, I thought she handled herself extremely well. EJ tried to pass it off at first as kids will be kids and they can be mean, GET OVER IT (which is really true enough) but was smart enough to change tacks when she was that dog wasn't hunting. I'm sure she agreed to be on the show for less than altruistic reasons (there aren't enough incentives in the world to make me appear on that show) and I think she regretted it once she saw exactly how it was going down but did manage to come off as well as she could under the circumstances. shame on Dr. Phil for totally letting Susan off the hook and making it all about EJ. Susan clearly had other issues with people that were MUCH MUCH closer to her (mom and gma dropping her off at the hospital .. probably 3 blocks away, too, so nobody would see them and making her walk alone and in labor into the hospital). I'm thinking that Susan had lots of reasons for not going to college and somehow EJ was getting the blame for it all these years. My god, how many people are there that go to college and get a fresh start after having a rough time of it socially in high school? A LOT!! I'm glad EJ apologized but really she was just trying to get along herself, she just chose a really hurtful and immature way to do it when she was, you know, an immature 17 y.o. but it would have been nice if she could have copped to at least having been mean in general to other kids at that time of her life. It's probably as hard for her to admit that to herself as it is for Susan to get over it.

I just wonder what the point of Jay is. Are they angling for him to get his own talk show? And will Kitty pull double duty and sit thru every show of his too? Or maybe since he is on all the teen-centric shows, they are trying to get him on some sort of TRL-type deal.

I have seen Carson Daly, and you sir, are no Carson Daly.

Jay already has his own show, on FOX -- "Renovate My Family." It is currently "on hiatus" (though the FOX web site insists it will "Return in 2005!"), so I guess he has time to do Dad's show now.

I don't think Kitty would be able to sit in the audience if Jay had his own talk show, because she would end up crying through every episode. She always gets teary whenever her "boys" are mentioned. It's sort of disconcerting, actually.

Uh...? Carson Daly sucks. So does Jay. Therefore, he IS Carson Daly.

Oh that was such a fat load. I have no idea how much her family was emotionally there for her when she gave birth or ever but they were at the hospital. KLG Dr Phil was obviously under the impression Susan was all by her lonesome at the hospital when she had the baby but the reality was she was alone (no family) in the delivery room (or operating room as Susan kept saying, maybe she had a C section) which was most common thirty years ago. But she said repeatedly her mother and grandmother were physically at the hospital. That exchange was one of the funniest ever on this show. He didn't seem to get that she wasn't in fact dropped off, or sent by cab, to the hospital for several moments.

Madmarsha, you've been watching Shill way too much, you are sounding just like him. You don't happen to "throw" a paper route every morning, do you?
"Carson Daly is a massive tool," to quote Jimmy Fallon on SNL. And BBJ has a massive butt, so there is a comparison to be made here.

Saw the Pagaent Moms eppy again last night, for the 3rd time. You just can't watch shit like that enough. The Mom that drove 16 hours a day, regularly, for a 4 minute audition in LA was beyond delusional (what's beyond delusional?--meta-delusional?) But I blame the Dad just as much for not putting his foot down. 15 k in debt and the truant officer on the doorstep of their apartment? How can these parents let this go on?

Parsleysage: Carson Daly is a tool & a worthless bastard & so is Jimmy Fallon.

Shill makes me sick. When are we going to have another Mikai update?

Thank heavens we have people like Dr. Phil to help the desparately ill folk like the woman on Friday's show who spends horrible, dark hours behind closed doors washing out her used Ziploc bags. Come on! Does anyone care? My neighbor does that, plus buys stupid stuff at garage sales, and I never once thought of calling the crisis team.

You know, for many years, I've been watching shows like Dr. Shill and Oprah and I have yet to see any of them address the truly serious problems of mental health in America. Not once. Ever. I know a disease like schizophrenia is hardly entertaining but considering that it is the number one disabler of young people and the biggest single draw from the coffers of Social Security Disability Insurance and that it afflicts more people than Autism, MS, MD, and AIDS combined and that an estimated one third of the homeless population suffer from it -- a "psychologist" might just mention it once every few years.

Still, I guess living in a cardbox box, terrified of your own thoughts and considering suicide isn't like, you know, hating your hair or not knowing where to get the very best bath beads in the whole world. I need to get more perspective.

Oh I agree with you percolata. That thrift thing is peculiar to anyone who lived through The Great Depression, escaped from a war or revolution torn country or simply needs to live on what our government sweetly calls "the minimum wage." This woman is either scarred by want or is a camera hog. I vote B. Whatever her motives she can dumpster dive for usable panties and insulate her house with empty oatmeal boxes and still it is a huge yawn as talk show fodder. Her daughters are adults, and if they want to wear Salvation Army wedding dresses or teach thier kids to take advantage of "Sample Day" as if they were homeless, then they are camera hogs, junior grade. A pox on their coupons.

I think that The Original Phil, the serious, well-versed in true psychology Phil, seemed the type to introduce the topic of mental illness into daytime conversation. Mental illness kills, wounds children and spouses of the afflicted, cause lost productivity, homelessness, crime and impossible to calculate human misery. Most importantly, those who suffer from mental illness are stigmatized, feared, marginalized. If the topic of say, schizophrenia, could be introduced as one of those Phil-worthy topics such as shoplifting, it would go a long way to educate and enlighten people about the need for funding, education and awareness instead of stigma. But that was the Old Phil. We have a newer, shinier (much shinier) model.

The Phil Who Hath Made Much Bank and Loves To Kiss Celebrity Ass and Deadpan Like Letterman, no longer gives a flying ferret about any of the life-ending pathology he studied in the day. You know, to become credentialed. No, this Phil wants to make the audience titter and bring out oversized checks from his friends at Filene's Basement and drive sick kids around in his pricey automobile. He wants to prop his wife up on stage where she might be lovely and phatic, while he tells those who make forty grand a year how to by-God "Commando" parent while he sends designers round to kit out his bulbous-assed son's million dollar bachelor pad that Daddy paid for with the fat book money.

Phil can call himself a champion for children, a Pied Piper of male leadership, an Ole Texas Boy humble in his Italian loafers or Marlene, but he'll still be an advocate for thinness, Beverly Hills, and his idea of what constitutes a family. His cat gave birth in the oven and he's calling the kittens biscuits.

I love me some Gemmadoll.
[Phatic is a new word for me and Mr P. -- we plan to use it all day!]

A couple of weeks ago there was a woman on the show who wanted to know if it was OK that she bring home the soon to be releasd sexual predator to her home with her four yr old daughter. She should talk to the mother of the 13yr old Florida girl who was just murdered by a convicted pedophile her Mom used to date.
God help us all.