Corbinxxa84
Mar 17, 2005 @ 6:37 pm
Re: today's show.
Good GOD, why wasn't the ex-con's kid given up for adoption as a baby?! Do we really think that natural parenting, even in situations like this (an ex-con's son is drinking, screwing, getting busted, and charged with felonies), is really the best way to go? I give the dad some credit for wanting to turn things around... but no. Just... no. When this guy's son gets arrested for rape or murder, I want this guy to go back into prison and get punished for it right along side his kid.
Gotta love the equally messed up adoptive parents who did a bang job as well. What a godawful cesspool of screwup. It was nice of Phil to not go too hard on the family.
Forgive the rant but this stuff gets me so riled up.
BetyBee
Mar 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
That was one hot ex-con. Bet those baby blues made him very popular in the Big House, if you get my drift.
Tiramisu1980
Mar 17, 2005 @ 11:39 pm
These "so called" parents on today's show are such bastards. Why is Shill catering to these bastards?! Where does he find these unfit bastards?!
parsleysage
Mar 18, 2005 @ 8:08 am
I rather let my kids watch Maury than Dr. Phil because at least they'll learn something important on Maury
Yes,
Tiramasu1980, but if you're gonna do the Maury Povich Homeschool Program you will have to shell out $250.00 for the Junior Miss Baby Daddy Home DNA Kit.
jensgirl
Mar 18, 2005 @ 9:40 am
That was one hot ex-con.
Word. If I were Phil, I wouldn't have let that guy on my show. As a viewer, I was mesmerized by that dude's beauty and then everytime the camera cut from him to Phil, my stomach would turn.
mootermutt987
Mar 19, 2005 @ 1:32 am
These "so called" parents on today's show are such bastards. Why is Shill catering to these bastards?! Where does he find these unfit bastards?!
He's got 300 MILLION of us schmucks to choose from. And apparently, some of those 300 million don't mind the rest of those 300 million knowing that they are truly screwed up. What really blows me away is how obvious it is that some of the guests are on the show JUST TO BE ON TV! Miss Myfuturehusbandwatchesporn is a good example. On the flip side of the same coin, I am shocked that people are fine with airing out their worst problems on national TV. I'm skittish about telling a shrink behind a closed door AND he can't tell anybody. Well, I would be. If I went to a shrink. After all, you'd have to be crazy to go to a shrink. Right?
Kat20
Mar 19, 2005 @ 6:01 pm
See, I could like Shill a tiny bit, or maybe DISlike him a bit less, if I knew that Robin worked her ass off for charities, or was really busy running her own business, but as it is, she's just an overdressed ball and chain. She only appears to exist to further Shill's image of the ideal family, which I'm not buying.
Do we know that Robin is not involved in any charities? For some reason, she appears to be the type of wife who would get involved in charitable work. Usually, if the wife isn't working, she's involved in school when the kids are young and also volunteers. This is what my mom did and what I plan to do when the kids come along. Of course, it is her life, but I've always looked at it as a response I can use if questioned by any of the working moms, who think SAHMs are not contributing to society.
bbug
Mar 19, 2005 @ 6:36 pm
She organized that whole "Christmas for the families of troops" thing, didn't she? I think it would be awesome if she'd lend her name/image to some big charity, just because she's so visible, but I sort of doubt she will. I think that based on her age and the way she interacts with Phil, she feels that an identity as wife and mother is enough for her. Chairperson or spokesperson might just not be positions that appeal to her.
Also, I don't feel that SAHMs necessarily should do a bunch of charity work to justify not having a paying job. My aunt was a SAHM, and my uncle was a doctor; he worked crazy hours. She basically had to be available and flexible because he couldn't be. If she'd been able to work from home she might have, but she worked her ass off in the time management department as it was. She did some charity stuff through her church, but not much, especially when my cousins were little. She really didn't have a lot of down time.
There are certainly SAHMs who relish not working as a status symbol, but I think in general people don't understand how much SAHMs do. I'm not sure where Robin fits on the spectrum, but I don't think it's fair to write her off as lazy or shallow just because she's not public about what she does with her time. I would, however, argue that her hair, makeup, speaking voice, taste in men, and wardrobe are indisputably terrible.
Gemmadoll
Mar 19, 2005 @ 7:58 pm
Once Phil dragged his robotoxic wife on stage and asked her to curtsy, she became game. I would hardly call her a SAHM, since her boys are of age. She is hardly a hausfrau, since her staff sees to it that her windows sparkle and her faux pastry ingredients fill the larder. Esentially, sans career, she is a Beverly Hills "lady who lunches." That means her raison d'etre is to look very good, be seen in the right venues, and lend her visage to a charity that benefits "all the right people."
Personally, I wouldn't care if her hobby was entertaining sailors fresh in from the sea with Gypsy Rose Lee songs and bumping and grinding. It is just that Phil keeps unfolding her and holding her up to camera three so we might all see the self-sacrificing, carefully groomed, hollow shell of womanhood that he feels is ideal. I see more Polly Pocket than I do womanhood, and the fact that Phil celebrates such a shellacked image of the gender shows us more than we need to know about his position on the value of women.
syone26
Mar 19, 2005 @ 11:35 pm
Wow. Harsh. Do you even know this woman to be making such judgments? Everyone has a right to their opinion. IMHO it seems unfair without something to go on.
SnippyScholar
Mar 20, 2005 @ 12:44 am
Well said, Gemmadoll. I have always found his adherence to gender assignments appalling, and his wife seems to confirm all of my doubts about him in that regard.
TheBigC
Mar 20, 2005 @ 4:37 pm
Frankly, the biggest argument that Robin isn't involved in any major charities is that we haven't heard about them on the show. Shill and Robin just don't seem like the "Keep a low profile, charity is it's own reward" types. They're more of the "Look at these great pictures we took of our latest adventure to volunteer at the soup kitchen!" types.
Gemmadoll
Mar 20, 2005 @ 7:40 pm
You bet! Hello Plastic Kitty and the walking gazing ball she calls,"sir" would hardly do a kind deed without LEAKING it to the public via their staff of PR people. Their Christmas special was self-aggrandizement in the league of Kathie Lee, who believes that all works should be done before men, even if the masses call you hypocrite. Oh Come Let Us Adore Me, Me, Me.
Of course, charitable work is something pretty common to those who have been wealthy for some time. Kitty is still transfixed by her baubles and the marble fittings on the yacht. She probably rides the silent button beneath her chair to summon the maid just because she can. Also, I'm sure she has worked to distance herself and Phil from the possum eating jugheads who call them cousin. No matter what she is composed of, her being held up as the model of perfect womanhood will keep her in our line of fire. It is hardly harsh to see the frilly and lacquered image of womanhood that will collapse and die without a husband to steer her away from the shoals being praised as the standard to which all mature, self-defined, ambitious women should aspire. Eventually, Phil will work the word "feminazi" into his speech, capitalizing on the retro way the wind is blowing, politically, instead of remembering one iota of his professional training as a psychologist.
Harsh is wanting to see him lose his nuts in a horrible riding accident. Harsh is wanting him to be found semi-nude in a dressing room scandal that sends him broke and broken back to the Lone Star State for the rest of his days. Harsh, also, is hoping that Kitty dumps his errant ass as quickly as any of the former Mrs Newt Gingriches or Rush Limbaughs, and discovers--at fifty--that she is neither a plaything nor an appendage. But, of course, all of these things are my dream.I also wish them a harsh case of shingles. Bless us, everyone.
sarcastic chick
Mar 21, 2005 @ 1:05 am
Amen,
Gemmadoll!
syone26:
Do you even know this woman to be making such judgments?
Nope. At least, I don't know her. But people who put themselves in the public eye as examples of the "perfect wife and mother" are inviting such criticism. She is the ultimate Stepford Wife, and frankly, that scares me.
And beyond the serious reasons, this is Television Without Pity. People here criticize - often harshly - but also intelligently, and that makes all the difference.
BetyBee
Mar 21, 2005 @ 8:35 am
Amen
sarcastic chick and Amen
Gemmadoll!
Phil and Kitty are totally not the type to hide their light under a bushel. And
Gemmadoll I hope you're right that Kitty will find out she's a real person with a life half-lived and "get real" about being more than an appendage. I maintain that she's a bit too tied up in being at home, that's not a dig a SAHMs - I was one for many years. I loved my increasing freedom as the kids grew. I really think she has a
problem leaving the house and going out to do things on her own. And that is endlessly fascinating to discuss on this forum as is her Stepford like devotion to
the walking gazing ball she calls,"sir"
.
Gemmadoll
Mar 21, 2005 @ 10:54 am
Phi's interaction with Ozzie & family seemed like the beginning of a skit. The pay-off must have been their transforming into the McGraws, with Ozzie wearing a skin cap, Sharon wearing an apron and fussing over a pie made entirely of Splenda and post-it notes,and Kelly wearing anything that hides her hootage while she sings a song from "Annie." Jack has a headstart on the rest of the family with his big fanny, but he would have had to lose the piercings and tats and lust for vapid, beautiful women. No wait, scratch that last one.
Nice commercial, though. Guess we better brace for a McGraw project to fill the vacated Osborne slot.
I'm skeeved by Reverend LoveJoy and his wife the LoveJoy sexologist. Funny how the sex talk is seen by Phil as healthy familial chat during the holiday get togethers, simply because the parents use clinical terms instead of saying "wee wee" and "love button" and "roger." For the love of all that's holy, sexual boundaries get really fuzzy really quickly, so he should have told them to knock off the roundtable discussions on ejaculate fluid and love gloves and discuss the potatoes instead. What is that little chestnut Phil likes to drop about kids in the house hearing more than we realize? Assbutton.
CaptainSnarky
Mar 21, 2005 @ 4:29 pm
Gee, do you think there was a shitload of cross-promotion between Dr. Shit's show and the Crapbourne's? Furtherfuckingmore, am I supposed to consider what Ozzy Fucking Osbourne says about Dr. Shit as veritas? Oh, come on. I'm surprised this guy knows what year it is. And are the Crapbourne's supposed to be a family that I give a rat's fat ass about? Jesus, Dr. Shit. The Osbourne's were popular...five years ago. Moron.
BetyBee
Mar 21, 2005 @ 5:42 pm
What a fascinating commercial venture that was between the Osbornes & Shil. What a perfectly snarkalicious way to say so long to the newly clean & sober Osbornes (still swearing like drunken sailors - no offense to any drunken sailor TWopers!)
It takes all kinds of people to make a world, but yikes - discussing great sex with the in-laws? Not in this lifetime! That family was fascinating - I got a phone call during the show, but did the daughter say that the parents promoted abstinence before marriage? If so, it's kind of cool that the good pastor & his wife informed their children so well AND advised them to wait. Still, I hope those dinner table discussions will be toned down when the grandkids come. Otherwise - boundaries! boundaries! boundaries!
The other story about the daughter of the affair showing up after 10 years - WTF? The mother of the affair daughter must be a real head case playing with everyone's emotions. But the kid IS an innocent victim of these adults & it was extremely harmful & insensitive to go on TV to spew all that hate & venom about her. She's just a kid. That segment creeped me out.
sarcastic chick
Mar 21, 2005 @ 6:50 pm
I maintain that she's a bit too tied up in being at home, that's not a dig a SAHMs - I was one for many years.
I, too, was a stay-at-home mom, though only for my son's first three and a half years. I'm not knocking that. What bugs me is Robin's insistence that she still is a SAHM even though both kids are grown. When your kids are old enough to move into their own McMansions, you are no longer a stay-at-home mom. Get a hobby, Robin.
I think most mothers in general (and all the ones that I know) agree that women need something outside of the husband and kids, whether it be a job, a hobby, a sport, etc... Because women can be stay-at-home moms, and props to those who do, but it shouldn't be at the expense of other interests. When I was a SAHM, I still read books, played with the dog, and played the occasional game of tennis. Robin - as far as we know - does nothing but make fake pies and get Botox injections. Who is she kidding? How is she a good example for women, SAHM or not? And Phil...well, Phil, you can just bite me for pushing this woman on the rest of us as an example of perfect womanhood.
Esser
Mar 22, 2005 @ 10:30 am
There's a snippet in the Kansas City Star today about a follow-up show on the Porter kids (went away with dad on visitation, never came home, dad's "friend" is tight-lipped and took a lie detector test). I guess the follow-up show is airing tomorrow, with the lie detector results. I'd provide a link, but I think you have to register to see it.
The article said, "An official with the show said the first episode, March 2, generated hundreds of tips. Independence police, however, said they received only a few tips. Likewise, the TIPS hotline..said it received few tips after the show." Hmm.
I also think Robin needs more to do. You'd think with their relationship with Oprah she could get involved in some kind of charity work fairly easily.
sarcastic chick
Mar 22, 2005 @ 8:00 pm
After watching today's show, I'm curious. Has anyone here tried the Weight Loss Challenge? Does it work? I have about 50 lbs. to lose, and before I go out and waste my money on the book, I'd like to know if it's worth it. (I'm skeptical that anything Phil comes up with could work. He isn't exactly the poster child for weight loss.)
redpepper
Mar 23, 2005 @ 12:12 am
I have the book, and today's show reminded me to start reading it. Ha! I couldn't believe how much weight everyone was losing. I have to say the book does look quite useful in giving you lots of things to examine with your own eating habits and I believe it could make you feel quite empowered.
However, I don't think you eat very much on his plan, which accounts for the big losses. IIRC, and please someone let me know if I'm not( I didn't buy his food guide seeing that I think I can figure out that a donut is not really a high-response, low-cost food) the rapid start basically has no starch unless you really want one (high-fibre) serving in the morning, limited fruit, and low-protein/low-fat/low sugar everything else. The rapid start plan is only in the food guide, not the UWS.
The rest of the plan is listed in the UWS and goes like this: your daily food intake is 3 servings of protein, 2 servings low-fat dairy, 2-3 servings of high quality starches, 2 fruits, 4 veggies, 1 fat. One woman said she worked out twice a day...no wonder you lose weight!
On a snarkier note, I remember a review of a variety of cookbooks in The National Post (Canadian paper). Chefs recreated the recipies and Shill's, without exception, were absolutely panned.
loudfan
Mar 23, 2005 @ 1:02 am
After watching today's show, I'm curious. Has anyone here tried the Weight Loss Challenge? Does it work? I have about 50 lbs. to lose, and before I go out and waste my money on the book, I'd like to know if it's worth it.
My problem with Phil's plan is that you have to give up certain foods for good. I prefer the "no bad foods" approach; IMO, it's easier to stick with. Weight Watchers is very good in this regard. I had a piece of birthday cake at a party on Sunday, and I watched what I ate the rest of the day. In the past, Phil has tried to "trap" WL Challengers by tempting them with pizza & doughnuts and filming them with hidden cameras to see if they succumb. Well, I know I can't sit and eat a whole box of Krispy Kreme every day, but if I want to spend 5 WW Points on one doughnut on occasion, I don't want to feel guilty about it. It's all about moderation. And sorry, Robin, but faux-nanner pie is no substitute for a real dessert.
I would love to know how many of the original WLC have kept the weight off. When they don't have JJ & Phil looking over their shoulders and having a paid-for personal trainer, can they stay motivated to exercise every day and shun the white devil (sugar)? I seriously doubt it.
I did read The Ultimate Weight Solution, BTW, but I got it from the library. I didn't want to financially support the Phil Empire.
sarcastic chick
Mar 23, 2005 @ 1:22 am
Thanks for all of the advice. I think I will read it in the library or the local Borders, rather than dishing out the $24. I tend to be an emotional eater, so maybe Phil's "keys" will provide some good ways to conquer that.
That woman who won the right to stay in the Challenge - Lynne? - she looked like she was about 120 lbs. How much could she possibly need to lose? She looked really thin. They should have kicked her off and given the spot to someone who really needs it.
Gemmadoll
Mar 23, 2005 @ 10:03 am
So, anything for ratings? Wow. Celebrities, pedophiles, missing children. To watch a woman totally destroyed by the fact that her children have been kidnapped and trying to deal with the sociopathic friend of her ex, then to suddenly see a clip of an upcoming show with Drew Barrymore and Jimmy Fallon goofing around on the same stage made me feel really really ill.
A psychologist would not present a distraught mother with the information that her babies may or may not be dead and that there is no way to find out at this time. Neither would a human being.
pinhead
Mar 23, 2005 @ 11:26 am
A psychologist would not present a distraught mother with the information that her babies may or may not be dead and that there is no way to find out at this time. Neither would a human being.
Yes, but this
is DR. Shill.
In the previews, it seems as if she knows more (RE: the lie detector).....if so, is she criminally liable?
KimberleeJean
Mar 23, 2005 @ 12:50 pm
In the previews, it seems as if she knows more (RE: the lie detector).....if so, is she criminally liable?
Maybe, if she assisted with the crime or is currently assisting.
Did they do the update on this today? I don't watch until 3:00 in the afternoon, so I am curious.
A psychologist would not present a distraught mother with the information that her babies may or may not be dead and that there is no way to find out at this time. Neither would a human being.
Yeah, for all of Dr.Pill's posturing abot being
ohhh sooo sympathetic and helpful, this stuff should be done off camera, in private, with a psychologist who has an obligation to confidentiality. I can understand the lure of a private jet than can pick up the kids anytime/anywhere, but still. It seems nasty to go from distraight mother to "we'll be right back" to an add for Leapfrog or something.
My problem with Phil's plan is that you have to give up certain foods for good. I prefer the "no bad foods" approach
I agree, although I gave up red meat for good, but that wasn't for weight (never missed it). Fried foods I don't eat much, but do have occasionally. Cheese is my weakness.
But I'm one of those people for whom weight loss was more about making better choices, I was never an emotional eater, so that part of weight loss never held any mystique for me.
I can't remember, does Phil always tie being overweight to an emotonal aspect? Because for me, I just hade to stop being lazy and eating so much McDonald's. Poof, weight came off (ok, not "poof," it took like 2 years, but still).
Gemmadoll
Mar 23, 2005 @ 1:33 pm
Ozzie Osbourne and Drew Barrymore love Dr Phil! Hooray!! But... how does Nick Nolte feel about Dr Phil? After all, his is the truly important opinion.
pinhead
Mar 23, 2005 @ 3:14 pm
Damn, Gemmadoll! I thought it was MINE!!
I was really freaked with the Ozzie Family....even "I'm so hardcore" Kelly was simpering at him. And Sharon? Dr. Shill does NOT rock.....I think you misunderstand. Throw rocks AT him.
Thank you.
sarcastic chick
Mar 23, 2005 @ 10:32 pm
I should have known the forums were down when I went to post during today's show, and nobody had posted anything yet. I tried, I really tried, and all day I've been wondering what everyone would say about Tina and Lisa and Dr. Phil today. Since I'm still the first, let me say:
I hate Lisa. I hate her cold, dead eyes. I hate her whiny voice. I hate her fat shoulders peeking out from that horribly unflattering blue shirt. I hate her lies. I hate the fact that she enjoys jerking around that poor, poor mother. I hope they lock her up, and I was disappointed that today's show did not end with Sgt. Green spitting in her fat face and locking the cuffs around her wrists. /rant.
Whew. That said, I'm glad Phil called her on her victim complex. Who cares if the police officer was rude? They're brusque, especially when interviewing people that they suspect of kidnapping.
Also, notice how pissed Phil got when she accused his staff of lying? Kidnap or cover up the kidnapping of two kids, and you're still redeemable, but attack his precious show and whoa! Too far, buddy! He really gets angry then!
meisja
Mar 24, 2005 @ 1:15 am
I hate Lisa. I hate her cold, dead eyes. I hate her whiny voice. I hate her fat shoulders peeking out from that horribly unflattering blue shirt. I hate her lies. I hate the fact that she enjoys jerking around that poor, poor mother. I hope they lock her up, and I was disappointed that today's show did not end with Sgt. Green spitting in her fat face and locking the cuffs around her wrists. /rant.
Oh hell yes. What an attention whore, and a crazy bitch too. I loved how she denied the test results and then went backstage and basically had to admit all of her just-refuted lies to the DA; that was golden. If they find those poor kids, I'm hopeful she'll go to the old 'grey bar hotel' for a while as an accessory. And that was pretty interesting when the DA told the mom that he felt that crazy-bitch had had a relationship with the husband and was trying to keep it from her own husband... I have to say that Phil's got me addicted to this particular case and I want to see more (which I really never say about all of his sordid guests).
BetyBee
Mar 24, 2005 @ 7:25 am
It was horribly painful to see the mom's realization that her kids are probably dead as she heard the results "deception" to the questions about whether they're dead and if Lisa helped in disposing of the bodies (not sure just how the questions were worded). How could Phil make the mom wait to hear that on national tv? Lisa is smug and evil and it was very interesting to learn that she's probably hiding an affair from her husband. It is satisfying to watch Lisa squirm, but I think Shil has gone too far - again.
Caraline
Mar 24, 2005 @ 7:52 am
I hate Lisa too. I kept screaming at the TV yesterday while she was trying to make herself look like the victim. Its like she doesn't care at all that that woman's kids are missing. All that matters to her is that Tina didn't call her for six months, that the police didn't contact her. Hello, you stupid old bat, you're supposed to contact them. She's simply a poor excuse for a human being, along with her dear friend Danny.
I really hope that they find those kids. I don't usually like all of Dr. Phil's shows or advice, but I really like what hes doing with this case. I think its good, because its bringing more national attention to this case and obviously getting more answers about where the children could be. Hopefully, it will help in finding those kids.
tanuki
Mar 24, 2005 @ 10:53 am
Words cannot express how much I hate Lisa after yesterday's show.
Watching her is like watching Hannibal Lecter.
I don't hold out much hope of the kids being alive. That bit about the boat dock near the river where he liked to go hunting sent chills down my spine. Oh, and she just forgot to mention that to the officer because he was rude to her. What a professional victim she was. A woman's kids are missing and everything is all about her.
That mom had nerves of steel. I have to give her props for self control. She realized that she had to restrain herself from going off on Lisa in order to have any chance of finding out what happened to her kids. I would have been rearranging that bitch's face two seconds after the lie detector guy finished.
Gemmadoll
Mar 24, 2005 @ 11:16 am
I blame Phil because he knew that the very stupid, uneducated, limited woman with no self-awareness and a double digit IQ was trying to have a center stage moment in her otherwise vapid, stone stupid existence. Phil wanted the ratings so bad he was staining his briefs, and let this semi-literate person access to the devastated mother to heap on more of her mind-game crap.
I was reminded of the many talk show hosts (even Donahue) who allowed Klan members and skinheads and even pedophiles to speak their poison on a national forum. Donahue explained that he was shining light onto the perversion of hate groups, but in his audience were always a concentration camp survivor or the relative of a man who had been lynched, and it wasn't a coincidence. They were invited to stand and speak, but were always insulted or shouted down by the rabid hounds on the stage.
Lisa is party to a crime. Pleasure in being part of such a heinous act keeps flitting across her face. She is a cheat, a liar, and not too far removed from the dregs who marry imprisoned serial killers so they feel special by rubbing up against human garbage. I have not struck a human being since I was a scrappy ten-year-old, but l could have easily slapped that utterly useless famewhore into the middle of July.
And now, to quote Neil Simon's Elliot Garfield, I am going to go try to meditate my hostility away.
pinhead
Mar 24, 2005 @ 11:19 am
Also, notice how pissed Phil got when she accused his staff of lying? Kidnap or cover up the kidnapping of two kids, and you're still redeemable, but attack his precious show and whoa! Too far, buddy! He really gets angry then!
Hell yeh, those Manson Lamps were on friggin'
highbeam!
(reminded me of the Bambi accusations; whatever became of that?)
So, Lisa resents losing her privacy? Look, bitch, spend a little more effort on keeping your shoulders private.
pretty interesting when the DA told the mom that he felt that crazy-bitch had had a relationship with the husband and was trying to keep it from her own husband...
WORD!! I thought the same thing on the first go-round. She just had that smug, lover's secret look. Does she have kids? Then the "take every letter, all of them to investigate." Ooops, I
think I brought them all. There might be a few more at home....I'll get those in the mail to you right away.
And the revelation that she was told that the kids were close to where she graduated, but left out that her parents live there. And that the ex talked to daughter on the phone. Creeee-Peeee.
Can't we lock her up, too? For a little while?
supie
Mar 24, 2005 @ 12:48 pm
ITA with all of you who are appalled at the obviously lying, cold, callous, self centered bitch that is lisa. To torture this poor Mom so that she can feel important just makes me want to scream.
I want Jack Bauer (24) to interrogate her.I am so convinced she knows more than she is saying.
stinkylulu
Mar 24, 2005 @ 2:12 pm
Jeepers. Lisa's almost as bad as that child-hating adoptive mom. This is one of those situations where I actually appreciated DP's over-the-top "don't you be saying my staff lied to you" schtick. Lisa's a deeply skilled manipulator -- just ask that hubbie of her'n. But the stuff with the staff is one of those instances where DP actually has the back-up to call her on, or catch her in, her shit.
The part through all of this that FUH-reaks me out is the way that Lisa's got her daughter enmeshed in all this... Ew, just ew.
sarcastic chick
Mar 24, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
Yeah, what was up with the daughter? Did she talk to "Danny" when he called the night before the show? I get the sense that Lisa's husband and daughter are innocent victims in this. That husband looked blindsided, and not completely bright, either.
sarcastic chick
Mar 24, 2005 @ 5:42 pm
Damn. My first double post.
Madmarsha
Mar 24, 2005 @ 10:20 pm
Yeah, I just totally don't buy "but nobody talked to me for six months or I would have told EVERYTHING I know" (paraphrasing). Almost as good as (again paraphrasing) "I didn't know if it would be important". So you just left it out. Yeah, way to help the kids. I don't know how much the police knew of her involvement but what, are they supposed to call her every day and ask what she knows? Are they supposed to call everyone in town or across the country or whatever? Oh, right, they didn't ask the RIGHT questions or you would have told them. But you want to help. And you want a mother whose kids could be dead to feel sorry for you that the investigator was not very polite?
I thought the investigator totally rocked with the suspicion about the relationship. My god, how many lengthy phone calls and text messages were there? What were they talking about? Dr. Phil's latest weight challenge? The cursed numbers on "Lost"? Swapping recipes? I don't talk to my girlfriends that much on the phone and if they kidnapped their kids for spite I wouldn't talk to them at all, I'd turn them in. There are more important things than loyalty and using kids as pawns in a game they are not willing particpants in is reprehensible.
Lisa is enjoying her time on Dr. Phil in a sick twisted way or she wouldn't keep coming back or be willing to take a polygraph. And she's only letting out in dribs and drabs what she knows to continue to make herself the center of attention. Once she spills all and doesn't continue the phone calls, she's no longer important.
mootermutt987
Mar 25, 2005 @ 4:26 pm
First off, I just really really hope these kids are OK.
Lisa makes my skin crawl! I am embarressed to put myself in the same species as her.
Yeah, I just totally don't buy "but nobody talked to me for six months or I would have told EVERYTHING I know" (paraphrasing). Almost as good as (again paraphrasing) "I didn't know if it would be important". So you just left it out.
I suspect that she is one of these habitual liars. She has an affair or two going at any given time, and is always saying, "Gotta go to the store" or "Going out with the girls tonight" or "He's just a good friend". Oh, wait a minute --- we actually heard that last one repeatedly on the show. Anyway, I've dealt with people like this before, and lying becomes so 'everyday' to them that they can't even tell the truth when there's NO REASON to lie. It is so 'everyday' that they literally lose the ability to distinguish between truth and lies. It is to the point of being a psychosis. You know the old phrase about it being difficult to keep the lies straight? I suspect that the worst of these people actually integrate their lies into their reality. You know: It must be true if I said it. Either Phil or one of the lie-detector guys strongly implied that the lie detector can see through this because at some very deep level, the person knows the truth.
I hope the national attention solves this crime soon. When it does, and the truth comes out, because it will, I fully expect Lisa to be all wound up in this web. Why would she act guilty as sin if she isn't guilty as sin??? I hope the prosecutor nails her to the wall.
God, I hate to say it, but I guess the very next thing the cops ought to do is drag the river near that dock that Lisa spoke of. God, I hope that's a waste of time.
Hexele
Mar 28, 2005 @ 5:08 pm
Okay, last Friday with the gal getting the scholarship? Unsnarkable.
Today? My good friend Drew Barrymore? Snarkable.
Tiramisu1980
Mar 28, 2005 @ 8:26 pm
Today's Dr. Phil: zzzzzzzzz....... What a god damn waste of an hr. I could careless about Drew Barrymore (I used to like her. She used to be smart & cute!), Jimmy "unfunny, untalented, IQ of mud, wish that I can shove a bottle of cough syrup down his throat" Fallon, & their sucky movie Fever Pitch. Even Red Sox fans would rather have an anueryism than waste 8 bucks on this piece of crap. Jimmy Fallon is such a bastard. So is Dr. Phil for even putting this jerk on his stupid show.
Gemmadoll
Mar 29, 2005 @ 7:38 am
Well, Drew Barrymore really is one of Phil's closest friends. Every time you pick up a tabloid there they are together, cruising the mall or going for waxes.
talkstoomuch
Mar 31, 2005 @ 9:01 pm
I have a confession to make. Through months of consistently lurking here and occasionally watching Dr. Phil, I thought you guys were exaggerating the misogyny. Sure, I thought he was arachaic and sexist but full-blown hatred, nah. Well, I am here to ask for your forgiveness. I was so wrong.
Today, I watched an update show. He had a couple on in which the husband - a complete ass - was complaining about not being attracted to his wife because of, well, her lack of ass. She was suitably angry at him for always focusing on her needing to change and not looking at himself. So last time they went home to "work on things." With Relationship Rescue I'm sure.
When the producers called for an update, they said everything was getting better. So guess what they did? Ambushed the couple. They actually taped a fight from outside the couple's house. Classy, Shill.
Of course the couple then let them in. Again the hubby was all judgmental and withholding. And the wife was angry. Two guesses what Shill focused on during the update. You got it: the wife's "anger problem". Gah!
Gemmadoll
Apr 1, 2005 @ 8:07 am
Well, he doesn't hate all women. Judging from his actions and comments on his program, I have to admit that he only hates fat women. Oh, and very buff, "masculinized" women, as they make men feel girly. Also ballsy women, who don't let their husbands "lead." Oh, and passive women who allow an unworthy man to "lead." Well, voluptuous, sexy women, he hates them because they are all Eve-with-the-apple leading happily married men astray, but he also hates women who refuse to apply make-up and glitter at the crack of dawn to look "feminine." Apparently, if the last sight George has of you before he goes off to work is "pillow creases" in your cheeks and "mussy" hair, he might be tempted to seek out a woman with glitter and good boobage. Your fault, Missy.
Come to think of it, he does want women to stay home with their kids, only not too much, because then the world is "carrying [her] ass." That's something to ponder. OK, he really really hates women who talk back to him. But you know, he has a burr under his saddle for women who "subsitute his judgement" for their own. So, you know, there's a pickle.
Almost forgot, he can't abide messy women (the anti-nesters) but he boils when his female guests spend too much time cleaning or too much money decorating. Not good. He hates when women strike a possum pose about the events around them, but he mostly hates women who climb upon soapboxes and try to change things in a strident way. (After all, Susan B Anthony, what about the KIDS?)
OK, one final thing. He hates women who have nomadic lifestyles because they married the Don Quixote of the accounting world and follow their husband from job to job while the kids have no roots, no extended family close by, no series of marks on the door frame to show their growth. But, and I hate to nitpick, but he surely hates women who are so close to their parents, their siblings and friends that they balk at following Henry cross country AGAIN for a bigger salary and dental. Selfish, selfish harpies.
There is a whole sub-category of women who put up with horsecrap instead of kicking Lance to the curb, vs. women who aren't TRYING to forgive the affair/abuse/addiction and STAY, to get the relationship "out of the ditch" and onto the sunset. Lot of gray there, but Phil always brings the King Solomon.
He hates, finally, women who don't know a drop-dead deal breaker when they see it. After all, SOMEBODY has to.
parsleysage
Apr 1, 2005 @ 1:18 pm
Good post gemmadoll!
Was surprised to see the Runaway Bride girl on again, but then again, she is thin and cute enough to be deemed worthy of a 2nd Shill visit. It seems like, for how pretty she is, she picks guys who are way below her on the looks scale. Maybe that's how she got 6 proposals, huh, think so Shill??
Hexele
Apr 1, 2005 @ 1:58 pm
OK, he really really hates women who talk back to him.
Sigh.....Gemma Gemma Gemma.....do you want to be
right, or do you want to listen to what the good dockter has to say? Because we can end this interview right now if all you want is to be right.
And remember, it's only a drop dead dealbreaker when he deems it so. Threats of chopping off heads is a-okay!
Tosia
Apr 1, 2005 @ 2:49 pm
Thanks Gemmadoll for the hypocrisy illuminated of Shill's views toward women. So so right about him. He makes me sick. Oprah created a monster.
I can't watch him anymore but I read the postings for the snark.