Yes, that's what Mikai said. Redness and swelling in the private area can also be caused by strong detergent(Tide) or bubble bath. Disposable diapers are also far more irritating than cloth, which is another reason to avoid things with chemicals.



I remember seeing a talk show several years ago where a man whose wife accused him of cheating passed a lie detector test. She felt that he should have failed and asked about the possibility of the test being inaccurate. The woman who administered it said that anything is possible--in other words, it is possible to pass if you think of another question that is true as you're being asked the question that is a lie. For example, "Did I have cake for breakfast today?" instead of "Did I molest my sister?"

Lie detector tests cannot be administered to people with certain disorders and pregnant women.

A properly administered polygraph (which is very rare), will ask very few questions and the person won't know what they'll be, so it's impossible to beat it by thinking of something true. There are lots of examiners who don't know what they're doing and I have very little faith in the quack however.

It's also graded on a scale. There's an area, like +6 to -6, that indicates truthfulness and the farther out you go in either direction, the more likely you're lying. I still say he comes up lying and badly. Ditto to 'if the authorities were involved, they wouldn't all be in that house.' Those parents so should be charged.

And iirc, they said they came home one night and noticed irritation, which indicates it wasn't anything like detergent, because that wouldn't suddenly affect a kid while the parents were like, out to dinner, if it hadn't before. And he claimed she was a newborn and they said no this was when she was 2 1/2. He's a bad liar.

I'd love to see them make him write out answers to questions as well as take the poly.

Damn straight!

I taped the show today and my ####### VCR stopped at the point where the sorry-excuse-for-a-mother was interrogating her children during the commercial break about disclosure and some such ####. Can someone please tell me how part one of this abomination ends?

My boyfriend is what he calls "a recovering Mormon" (he hails from Idaho Falls, Idaho, which is in spitting distance from Salt Lake City) and he cracked up when he heard all the kids' names. He said that if one of them was named "Moroni" he would have been 100% convinced they were some kind of LDS.

It's hard to tell. Odd names, Biblical names, hell, produce names (Apple anyone?), and names that just plain sound like appliances pop up in every segment of our society.

Yeah, I don't think anyone can say definitively that they are LDS (fundamentalist or otherwise.) It could be that the family is just plain weird.

I was intrigued when Phil mentioned that as a child, the mother had people lined up outside her bedroom door to molest her. Was he exaggerating or was that literally what happened to her? If so, that raises some serious questions about what kind of home environment these parents come from. My guess is that they were raised in a particularly strict religious sect where adults marry within the sect. That's the only logical explanation for both the mother and the father being molested as children (along with aunts, uncles, etc...) Either that, or somebody is lying.

I know that there are many, many people who come from abusive homes who grow up to be loving parents who are determined to protect their kids from a similar fate. That said, I don't get that vibe from these people. They do not strike me as fit parents at all.

I forgot about that! I think that was total bs too, because, iirc, she said she was abused when she was 2 or 3. Now, first, that she'd remember, I think is iffy - so I was kind of immediately suspicious of "recovered memories." But then she said people were lined up to abuse her? That just couldn't sound more unlikely, in a 'and then they sacrificed the baby and a blonde virgin to Satan!' kinda way.

I mean yeah, there are pedophiles who are honestly turned on by small children, and there are people who abuse small children even if they're not pedophiles. But that's a smaller group than the already very small group and somehow they're lining up? Sounds exceedingly fishy to me, the whole thing.

I don't think they did much after the break except say that he'd be polyed and they'd show the results tomorrow, but I may be forgetting stuff.

Dr. Phil came to prominence in Oprah's trial regarding beef. I call this as just more bull.

Mikai, I hope you know where San Quentin or Pelican Bay is on the map (in California), because that is where your sorry ass will be going. What a bastard!! Don't these people know the word SHAME in their vocabulary?!! I guess not because they're on Dr. Phil?! I hope Mikai gets the ass whooping that he sorely needs after the show, because if I find him, He will definitely get one!

I can't watch part two, and have zero curiosity about the polygraph results, although we all know what they'll be. The combination of Phil venturing into deviant behavior that doesn't belong on a talk show, because it does not educate, nor enlighten nor inform plus the dark dynamics of this family makes it like nuclear waste. Why go near it if it'll alter you forever?

As much as it is fodder, I prefer Phil hawking his book to depressed, obese women who had their weddings ruined by locusts. And I can snark effectively at his taut wife as she moons over cashmere sweaters and gold charger plates beneath her imported china. What I don't want to see is a family so dark and depressing and without redemption that they seem right out of a Wally Lamb book. I watch Phil to feel superior, to feel justified in making off the cuff remarks about a swollen, expensively suited blowhard that has clones all over the USA, and for whom most of us have had to work in offices and restaurants everywhere.

I don't want to feel--when I'm watching a frickin television program-- that I'm a dirty participant in exploitation, and I don't want to feel as if I am drowning in the misery of these tragic people, and have to use all the energy I have to swim toward the light.

Yup, you right! Shill called him on using "therapy-speak" (" It was a cry for help!! That's why I call phone sex chat lines! A cry for help, I tell you!!") and I think PervBoy cued in on that shit right quick. He learned to deflect at an early age, and now he's perfected it to an art. So he's a dropout (or kickout) and has all the time in the world to pursue his interests? Um....idle hands, devil.....you know the drill. How about make that boy earn his keep (and pay his porn bill) at some menial labor, back-breakingly physical job for 14 hour days!! When you're too tired to move, it may also hinder the inappropriate touching.

Let's see.... he was tied up, beaten with a belt, fucked within an inch of his life by a young female adult. Mom & Dad missed the bruising? If the statute of limitations is the usual 7 years, couldn't they rustle this chick up (check for signs of brain activity) and send her ass to prison?

I heard the comment about Mom's abusers lined up outside the door, too. WTF!! It happened when she was 2 or 3 years old? Recovered memory my ass! Serious cult action.

Did I not hear things right, or did the one brother say he thinks PervBoy is innocent? The littlest brother has a creepy vibe ( the Michael J. Fox lookalike) and for that trait to stand out in THIS family, that's saying something.

Dr Shill should do time for aiding and abetting.....

WORD on that. He's no dummy.

When I heard about the men lined up at the Mom's door, and the word "Utah" my LDS Weird-O-Meter started to quiver also. Like polygamy cults in the desert stuff. At first I thought the weird names was hippie-liberal stuff, but I think its LDS cult stuff instead.

I definitely think these people are LDS. They even mentioned they live or used to live in Utah. I have lived in Utah for 22 years and they act just like everyone else here. Please don't be offended if you are LDS, this is just my opinion based on personal experience, nothing more. I was getting upset by all the "evidence" that Makai is a sexual predator. For example, the story about when he was in the forest and he was making out with a girl and tried to put his hand down her pants. She said "No" and he got mad and left. Isn't that what he is SUPPOSED to do? And what teenage boy isn't going to try and go further with a girl who he just barely met and was willing to go make out with him in the forest? Mormon mentality says that this is perversion. Also, looking at porn does not make one a sexual predator. Again, mormon mentality... If it were true that he was trying to grope the girls at school why didn't the principal call the parents when it happened? Why did he wait until the day Makai dropped out of school to tell them? Sexual harassment is taken very seriously these days. That being said, I am 50/50 about him molesting his sister. On one hand he seems like nothing more than an extra-horny teenage boy (very common among sexually repressed mormons). On the other hand, that part where Dr. Phil stopped the tape and he was looking over his shoulder with his hand a little too close to his sister's underwear was very, very disturbing. He also seems to be making excuses preemptively..."I thought I was supposed to molest people because I got molested by 27 people" (bullshit)

These parents are complete idiots. Why, if they suspect their daughter is being molested by her brother, are they having her wear a short little skirt with exposed underwear around him? Why haven't they thrown Makai out of their house? Why do they leave the girl alone with him? There are way too many holes in this story. In a way I kind of feel for Makai...

Edited to add: When the parents came home and found their daughter's genitals all red and swollen why the hell didn't they take her to the doctor? The doctor can tell them if it's diaper rash, if she fell on something, or if it was abuse. If I suspected my kid was abused by ANYONE I wouldn't just sit back and say "Well, we'll see what happens"

Many years ago I worked with a woman whose husband had been accused of molesting his younger sister. (I was not close to either one of them. She was just a really chatty person.) Turns out he was innocent. After being questioned by the police many times, he was given a poly. But this was no ordinary lie detector. They also placed some kind of sensor on on penis so they could detect if he was being stimulated by the thought of any of the questions he was being asked. I think there may have been the use of pictures as well. Anyway, he passed the test in both ways. I wonder if this kind of testing is still being done anywhere. If Mikai were to get this kind of test I don't think he would be able to beat it as easily as I think he will the regular poly.

I knew from the moment I saw the tape that he had abused his little sister. He was looking at her while while ticking her. But the moment he touched her on her thigh he immediately turned his head to see if anyone was watching him. What really troubles me is what happened next, after the pause. Did someone tell him to leave her alone? Did he go further? If so then why wasn't he right then confronted and taken to jail? Did he know he was being taped? UGH! This is just too disturbing. I hope that, that little girl is taken from the home. I don't think she is safe with or from anyone in her home.

Oh, and one more thing. When Mikai said that at the age of 16 he was molested by a man and that he thought it was just "normal". What was that all about? Did he not ever have any sex education? If so what kind of "education" did he get? By 16, he should have now what was right from wrong. Then his comment that the guy said he would come after his family. That is just more BS. More babble. He is just trying to say all the things that he has heard others say. Things that he may think worked for them. This kid is really messed up. The whole family is messed up.

In addition, I'd have sworn that in that footage, there were people in the background, sitting at the table. The brothers? If so, way to go on the two-brother rule, parents. That's just idiotic. The brothers are clearly intimidated by him and wouldn't stand up to him.



Word. At least they'd know something. Why rely on the word of a kid that you know is a pathological liar?

Me too. No offense to any LDS, but matters like this are often under rug swept and ignored.

Thank you, itsmyhobby. I was beginning to think I was the only one. As someone said earlier, Phil kept using the word "inappropriate," but inappropriate is a relative term. If these people are LDS, they probably have a very conservative view of what constitutes appropriate sexual behavior. Hell, if they really were molested as children that's reason enough to have a conservative view of sex. I think the problem was that Phil wasn't defining inappropriate. The lack of a specific definition really made me wonder if some of those other incidents were not as bad as Phil and the parents made them out to be.

We only heard the barest-bones details about the incidents with the other girls, too. Take the 12-year-old that he was having phone sex with. Did they ever say how old Makai was at the time? I think there's a big difference between a 19-year-old and 15-year-old when it comes to stuff like that. (Not saying that either is appropriate, just that they mean different things.) Also, didn't he meet the girl on the Internet? Maybe he didn't know she was only 12. I'd like to think that Makai would have brought that up if that were the case (and maybe he did, off camera), but I felt like some important details were missing from all the accusations involving other girls that really go to the question of whether Makai is a sexual predator or just a overly-horny teenage boy who makes people uncomfortable.

Also, with respect to the lie detector tests, there's a reason those things are admissible in court. And even though he admitted at the end of the second show that he had in fact touched his sister that one time, I don't necessarily think that means he did it. Faced with the results of the polygraph, he might have felt like he had no choice. I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm just saying he's a troubled kid with a lot of problems, and I for one don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

I hadn't noticed that before, geebs_criminy, and that's a very good point. Makai definitely had problems, and I think its entirely possible that he molested his little sister. I know I don't believe that he was molested by 27 different people (or anyone for that matter--word to whoever said his molestation experiences sounded like sexual fantasies). He needs help, regardless of whether he's a pedophile, because he's a compulsive liar and clearly has issues with his family.

First off - Mikai smiled everytime Dr. Phil asked him a question. "Did you molest your sister?" Smirk - "No" That kid is creepy.

Second - My husband said that they need to get Jack, Rober DeNiro's character from Meet the Fockers, to do the lie detector.

Exactly!! That's the first thing I said to my mom. He knows what he is doing and how to manipulate his way into getting what he wants. He has no sense of what anybody else may be feeling. Creepy.

And Shill's handling of the whole topic is messed up. He's handling it in a really salacious manner, which I find disturbing as well. There was more than just that stop-action shot of creepy Mikai with his hand up his little sister's dress. Shill (or his producers) is responsible for showing that grainy footage of middle-school kids in the corridors, in the classrooms, that was shown when Mikai or one of his brothers did a voiceover about Mikai "bothering" the girls. Maybe it's just me, but I saw too many closeups of crotch-level and butt-level shots of 13-year-old girls in it. Was it really necessary to show that? Now who's exploiting kids, Shill?

And it's distasteful the way Shill harps on the fact that Mikai might be molesting his little sister; how about older girls he may have molested and bothered, don't they matter? Not that there's ever any justifiable excuse for molesting a little girl, but Shill seems to be framing all this as part of a macho argument, implying that the dad isn't a man if he lets that sort of thing go on in! his! house!! All this isn't about molestation per se, it's about a man not taking care of his bidness, if you know what I mean.

This family has serious issues and they need real help, not Shill's self-serving, salacious chest-thumping. The way he's framing this discussion, he's an even bigger creep than Mikai.

Thanks for the "MO-dar" concept, SnarkyStitcher. Mine was tingling with the naming pattern, the stair-step births, and the northern rockies references. But it really started blaring when they showed the footage of the house, especially Mikai's room.

I guess I'm mortified with all of this because it seems to be going toward a kind of "self-help" resolution. The family must acknowlege it has a problem, blahdeblahdebloo. I happen to believe that Mikai's been sexually abused, though probably in something much less Penthouse Forum than the babysitter fantasy scenario; the guy seems to manifest damage beyond the self-inflicted variety.

ETA content after a twitchy posting finger.

EATA response to sarcastic chick: I guess what I'm reacting to is that the house looked like a large handful of homes I've been in lately that share some specific design/remodel sensibilities: deep red on one main wall, turning laundry rooms/hallways into bedrooms for older kids... it's hard to say, but my mo-dar was blaring...

What was it about the footage from the house and Mikai's room that set off your Mo-dar, stinkylulu?

To me this is kind of beside the point. A child molester will victimize a child no matter what they are wearing. Short skirts ot bundled up like an eskimo, it really doesn't make a difference. My question is if they really suspect that he is molesting her then why is he around her at all?

Based on the Mormons I have knows (I lived in Colorado Springs for 6 years and you seriously can't swing a dead cat without hitting one) I would be very suprised if this family were actual, "proper" Mormons. They seemed to me more like they might have been part of some once LDS-affiliated sect that went terribly wrong. I attended a Mormon church for two years on and off with some frineds (more out of curiosity than anything, not a desire to join) and the people I met were warm and open. When it came to sex I would say that they were well, a little repressed and sheltered.

One thing about the way the Mormon church works is that each local branch or ward is so heavily influanced by the church elders. There is so much emphasis put on being a part of the church community that if those influances are bad people dont always see it because the elders are generally seen as a moral compass. Because of this I see how a lot of LDS sects can be started. I think the religion itself is well meaning but it kind of has it's followers in a, um, following state of mind. I was always amazed by the stuff my Mormon freinds would willing accept as right just because it's what their church told them.

Bah, I'm not making my point very well. What I mean is this: I can see this family being led astray into some kind of cult-like sect that tells them abuse is ok or normal. I can see them not questioning it because of the "training" that they recieved at the hands of their religion.

Dude the results are in. Phil insists that lie detectors are "scientific" and therefore gospel.

Dad explains how his own life is now hell because of "this crap."

These are just bad people.

ETA: the dad is like, not there. He wants his son to return to him, broken. He knew his son was bad (so why not do anything, dad?). Dad is mad that son screwed up their lives. Is there no feeling in this man?

Why am I watching this? I don't even watch Dr. Shill on a regular basis, but I got home early and turned this crap on (mostly just to see how far the "good" doctor would go).

What teenage boy doesn't try to stick his hands down another teenaged girl's pants? We used to call these guys "horndogs." I don't believe a single word ANYONE says on this show, including Phil. What a horrible man. What a horrible, creepy set of parents. The kid comes off less creepy, which seems wrong somehow, given the accusations.

They need to take this kind of unhealthy crap off the air. Where is the FCC when you really need them? I'll take nipples anyday over this kind of abuse.

"Dear Dr. Phil, I fear my son is a sexual predator, and instead of calling a real shrink, I decided to whore out and humiliate my whole family on television."

You got your wish--we just cut to the Pope's tracheotomy....

I guess we'll never know. But before we cut, the other kids just bitched about how the son was dragging them down. Lovely people.

Sadly, I am contemplating leaving work early to go home and watch this drivel since saracastic husband forgot to set the VCR timer (yes, I am the last person on Earth without a Tivo.) But in case I can't get off early, what were the results of the lie detector? Someone, please spoil it for me!

That's a plethysmograph and yes, it's widely used, often in sex offender treatment programs. Sex offenders are often very dedicated to denying what they did, why they did it, etc. Grown men will insist that a three-year-old seduced them (this is an actual excuse made by a molester). It's a helpful test to prove that someone is aroused by what they claim they're not, as well as other research and such. The same test apparatus is used for more normal things as well, like to determine if the cause of erectile dysfunction is physical, a man can wear it during sleep in a sleep clinic.

I cannot believe that bastard. And I mean the dangerous quack. He doesn't need just some therapy you idiot. He needs to be locked away. As do those parents, who live in a river in Egypt. If he lies, Phil will "help you put him under the jail?" First, nice English there. Second, whether he belongs in jail should not depend on whether he tells a tv quack the truth! Gah. He's not a victim Phil.

sarcastic chick - Oh way flunked. Questions like 'did you ever touch your sister in a sexual way?' He answered no, strong deception, etc. Then the parents get all upset, as if they had no clue! And the father was uhm a little, er... revealing. When that question was read, he went all 'that's my daughter! I love her more than anything! (apparently including his sons) Then went on in a decidedly disturbing manner about how this is going to make his, the father's, life even worse and as if his life wasn't bad enough. Because it's all about him.

"Deception" on all the bad sex things

I hate to make light of the situation, but the dad kind of looks like Stephen Root.

I know that. My point with the short skirt was that it's easier access. He can also use the excuse "I was tickling her and my hand accidentally went up her skirt, my bad" than to say that he accidentally unzipped her jeans. I hope that makes sense. Anyway, exactly like you said, why is he around her at all?? Bad parenting, that's all I can say.

Edited to add the rest of my comments:

The parents' reactions were very strange to me. The dad is concerned that this is something he has to deal with? What about the little girl? The mom just sat there and did nothing. I guess I could understand her being in complete shock. Why didn't Dr. Phil place some blame on the parents? They are guilty of not protecting the daughter well enough.

This sort of stuff really does go on more than anybody wants to admit among mormons. First of all, mormons are mainly concerned with keeping up appearances. I can name a few people right now (but of course won't) who were sexually abused by a neighbor or family member, told their parents, and nothing was done about it because of the embarassment. One friend was raped by her babysitter when she was in 1st grade and the mom flat out said "We don't want to cause problems in church." That's not even the worst example I could give. Second, mormons are taught that sexual urges of any kind before marriage are wrong and perverted. Masturbation is dirty and sinful. This obviously leads to really fucked up teenagers. Of course I am not saying ALL mormons are this way but from my personal experience, this is the norm in the regular mormon church, not just in the fundamentalist groups. People tend to confide in me more because I am not a mormon and they know I won't go tattle to their bishop how they feel and get them in trouble. It makes me sick to hear the things my friends go through just because they have feelings they "shouldn't." [/rant]

As much as I hate what the son did, I hate the father even more. I can't put my finger on it, but something still isn't right. All that came from him was " I... Me... My..."
It was all about him and his feelings. And I really was uncomfortable with his comment " Shall I kill him now, or later" .

I still deep down believe that no matter what the kid did, I'm certain his father had something to do with it. I wish they had aired the answers to questions such as " were you molested by 27 people or did you make that up, too." And "did your father ever touch you?" . That kid needs help, but with parents like him, I just don't know. His "your dead to me" was wrong, that kid needs long term serious psychological help. Truly being a parent is being able to parent in good times as well as bad.

After seeing part two, not only do I think the father molested the daughter, I think he also probably molested Makai too. That weird vibe between them was almost hard to watch at times. The dad seems like one of those guys that sits in chat rooms going "If you hurt a child for sexual pleasure, you're scum. However, is having sex with a child hurting them? No, it isn't!"

On top of it all, I feel bad for Makai. He's a handsome kid that got royally screwed over by a completely horrible family. The last thing he needs is Phil hammering on him when he's clearly not able to respond.

This show has reached a new low. The creepiest part of the whole thing has got to be the mere presence of an audience in that room. They could have at least done it in a private studio, I mean, how awkward and bizarre is that experience for the people sitting there and watching it in person? An audience gives the whole thing a "performance" vibe that is just inappropriate.

With that said, I've totally missed any updates on FUF1 and FUF2, could someone fill me in? What are these crazy people doing?

Aiders:



Word.

This episode just clearly showcases Phil's ineptitude for dealing with any serious psychological disorders. Phil should stick to shows detailing why Hank always leaves the toilet seat up. I kept waiting for him to bring someone with actual clinical psychology or psychiatric training because his browbeating wasn't doing shit.

I know there couldn't be an actual resolution at the end of the two hours, but I was hoping that at least Mikai would have been checked into a residential facility or something. The way things ended was that Mikai admitted that he had touched his sister after being presented with the polygraph results, he was dead to his father, his mom still loved him, and his brothers would never forgive him and found him odious.

Was there any doubt that this kid was lying? Why did the polygraph have to be the entire focus of this episode as opposed to discussing clinical treatment?

I can't beleive that the legal folks actually let this thing air. You basically have a suspected molester admitting to very serious crimes on national television. Why didn't Dr phil explain to the audience, the legal jeopardy that all of these people are in. The son was being broweaten into admitting that he committed serious crimes on TV. The parents basially admitted that they were neglectful. You clearly had two parents leaving their young daughter in the presence of someone they thought had abused her. Thats negligent. He is 19, why is he in your house? He should have been shown the door

A few months agoe he had a mother on the air and he ( Dr phil) refused to show the video tape of the happenings that the show recorded from video placed in the home. The reason he gave at that time was that CPS would be beating down the door to take her kids.

Every teacher, doctor, social worker, psychologist who knows the identity of that four year old girl probably has an affirmative legal obligation to notify child protective services. If I knew where they lived, I'd call the 1-800 number myself. Clearly the 4 year old has been the victim of neglect at the best and abuse at the worst. Child abuse is not a "family" issue alone. I would not be surprised if the father was an abuser as well. These people are totally off. .

How was this show helpful???? What insight did it provide?

This whole show made me terribly uncomfortable, and not in a "this makes me uncomfortable but it's something I need to hear/see" way. More in a "wow I can't believe I'm watching the self-destruction of a child and his family as entertainment" kind of way.

I have an 18-year-old son. Would he confess his most humiliating, incriminating thoughts and secrets (which I'm sure are pretty tame in comparison to this kid's) in front of a live studio audience? Hell no! Would ANY young adult do so? Would any ADULT with any sense do so? If the true motivation was to get this child help then why expose him so publically? Not to mention, expose him to criminal prosecution. HELLO! He just admitted to molesting his sister on live television. You think the DA in his area won't file charges? Which isn't to say he or she shouldn't file charges, it's just that the whole way in which they figure to "get him help" seems a lot like throwing him to the wolves and Dr. Phil (a wolf in sheep's clothing if I ever saw one).

The thing that surprises me a little on this? One of DP's default attacks was strangely missing throughout today's carwreck: "This child/person is the target patient -- this is a family problem!"

To my horrified eyes, this family was way sicker than Mikai was on his own.
The evidence was everywhere, but it glared from Kenda's dead eyes. (BTW- modar on the 'Kenda') And that raging father?! Something's screwy. (BTW- total word on the Stephen Root resemblance, DrCher)

I actually got mad at the dad when he blurted out: "You'd better talk to him cuz you're dead to us!" Like...that...helps...anyone? I mean, the sentiment may be true and/or legitimate and/or shared among the entire family BUT at that moment it was a lame & completely unuseful attempt by the father to be the most important person on the stage. Somehow, I'm not convinced that the abuse in that house is over now just because Mikai's gone...

This show really made me feel icky especially when the dad was saying this is hell and he didn't want to deal with the crap. If I was in the studio audience, I would have left. Mikia was simply awful.

I agree with everyone who said they felt dirty watching this and wondered exactly what value it would have to the general public. That said, these parents - - just WOW! Mom was basically catatonic when she wasn't whispering motivational blurbs to the husband who is out of control. Even if he felt those things toward his child, he should have saved it until later. I also think that, while the other boys have valid beef with Makai, I think they also took cues on how to act toward him from the father (i'll always hate you, dont' know if i'll ever forgive you, etc).

After the past two episodes, I'm reminded of the case in Utah with that Mormon polygamist. Everyone knew he had multiple wives, but the DA never did anything until the guy went on Dateline and admitted to it. He was prosecuted and ended up going to jail. My point? After seeing this show, it would irresponsible (and possibily political suicide) for the local district attorney to look the other way. I think this family is in serious trouble, and rightfully so. I'm not a lawyer, but I think the parents would be open to charges of child neglect or child endangerment, and the whole family would (and should be) subject to a broader investigation. They are scary people.

ETA: I got on the Dr. Phil boards on the show site to see what people were saying. People were telling their stories of abuse and praising Dr. Phil for covering this subject. I'm shocked that they don't feel like the little girl is being exploited (or feel exploited themselves.) Apparently, Dr. Phil can do no wrong.

itsmyhobby



Wordy word word. I could not agree more with every word of that.

sarcastic chick Mormon homes have a particular feel to them, most usually have some kind of Mormon kitsch hanging around the house, i.e. pictures of temples, the first presidency of the church, crap like that. I didn't see any of that in the house but the overabundance of kid pictures and the way the mother was talking set off my mo-dar.

Wouldn't surprise me if they were Mormons, Phil seems to have had a lot of screwed up Mo's on his show. Remember Stacey? Mormon. The wife whose husband was gay but she still wanted to be married? Mormon.

I seriously hope Makai gets the help he needs. The family needs help too.

And for our future viewing pleasure, Dr Phil is selling copies of the video and transcripts of the last two shows on his website. VV nice!

I just sat here and did a google search to try to find SOMETHING out about this family and what the hell is going on! No such luck...the whole thing just felt like one of those Jerry Springer "Fake" shows...the episodes you just KNOW are not real. It was odd...I wonder what Oprah thinks about this???

It was a distubing show. As angry as the father has every right to be, saying "you're dead to us" and "do you want him dead now or later" is pretty cold blooded and are disturbing statements in themselves. And as has been mentioned above, comments like that don't help the situation.

See people, I told ya that Mikai would fail that polygraph test!!! I'm not surprised. He's 19 & basically having no future. And Dr. Shill saying that he doesn't want to throw his life away. You're too late on that, Shill!!! His F---in life is ALREADY OVER!! The 4 yr old girl is scarred for life because of this bastard. I really feel sorry for her.

Shill telling us that Mikai has a sickness & he needs help. God, does Dr. Shill have ADD or has he been sniffing paint thinner?! Mikai is not sick. He is a child molester!!

I wish that the father would of gotten up & kicked Mikai in the face. He deserved it.
If this family have any diginity left, They'll disowned this prick & make him fend for himself. He wouldn't last a wk.

I've seen the Dr. Phil Show maybe once before and I just happened upon this yesterday. Is he always this evil and slimey? I'm guessing yes.

I actually felt sorry for Mikai. It's pretty obvious that he has been molested, probably by his dad and possibly with the knowledge or even participation of his mother. I think the parents are actually 100 times creepier than he is. It's very convenient how they took ZERO responsibility for anything and Dr. Phil let them. Even if it hadn't been so obvious that something was up with Mikai, one would think that any decent, non-molesting parents would feel guilty for not realizing that their son was so troubled, not protecting their daughter, etc. These people didn't seem to feel that they were even remotely to blame for ANYTHING.

I couldn't believe the mom's comment that she never thought she'd give birth to a child molester. I screamed at the TV that she didn't give birth to a molester, he became one after his dad (and possibly others) did that to him. I absolutely hated the dad. WTF was up with his comment that he wanted Mikai to come to them completely broken one day so that they would know that he's changed? That sounded a lot like projection to me for reasons that I can't even fully explain. In addition to all of the other sickness that these episodes entailed, I thought it was fucked up that they made the other three kids sit through this (not to mention the rest of the audience). Just wrong on so many different levels.

Thanks, Snarky Stitcher , for the explanation.

Glad I'm not the only one who did a google search. I'm surprised that there was nothing online at all. Although I don't think the show was fake like Jerry Springer, I find it odd that nothing has been written about it, particularly when plenty of local news stations cover the appearances of local yokels on the Relationship Rescue shows, etc... I did find an article that said Phil is looking into expanding into reality TV and scripted shows. How telling.

This is a cycle. Makai was once as his little sister is now. Let's say that 15 years from now, a girl Mikai touches ends up in the same boat, as an abuser herself. Now using your post, Tiramisu, replace her name - let's say Isabella - for Mikai's, how would this sound:

I don't know what happened, and it charted up as inconclusive on the polygraph on the show, but I don't buy that Makai was molested by anyone - and he certainly didn't say anything about his father abusing him.

I have no idea how long this thing has been going on - and thanks so much Phil, for exploring that not at all - but he may have been abusing kids since he was quite small. This level of acting out doesn't seem, to me, to be likely to be a new deal.

I'm still totally pissed he didn't say anything about sending this tape to the DA or how culpable the parents are for putting their younger child in danger. Also thanks Phil for not mentioning what his problem may or may not be - is he a pedophile? Is he just opportunistic? Has his behaviour escalated? Because I really doubt a once-a-week counselor is going to make the slightest dent here.

The eloquence expressed by all posters here cannot be matched by my commentary, but there are two thoughts I wish to express:



The only sense I can make of the father is that he was present not to receive help, but to receive permission from Dr. Shill, any/all family and community to wipe his hands of the matter and walk away with a feeling of justification. He absolutely does not want to deal with this situation in any manner, but wants to be perceived as yet another victim of the circumstances and to receive the sympathy of others.

Guilty, guilty, guilty...and this is not in reference to Makai. No, the guilty party here (again) is Shill, for he is guilty of believing his own publicity and attempting to solve yet another situation for which he is not qualified. Sorry Shill...you were way over your head in this matter. This show resolved nothing.

I agree....way to make a kid feel like a dirty loser.....make his room the unfinished hallway. Decorate the walls with patch tape, and wedge that twin bed in... it looked like a tiny prison hovel from hell. I hope he likes it, because methinks he'll be moving into similar digs real soon. I actually wondered if this was his "new" room, after all the trouble started.

The comments the dad made were awful! "you're dead to me" and "You know I love her more than anything." Anyone else get the feeling that there was more than a little favoritism going on in that house? Might that not be part of the reason for the "hurting" his little sister?

I also find it strange how the other 3 brothers looked SO much alike, then there's Makai. Mom?? Valium can be your friend, but not your BEST FRIEND. You might also share some with the Hub.....that scream " STOP SMILING!!!" was way over the top. I could hardly here myself screaming the same thing.

I was thinking the same thing. I know its illegal for even a 15 year old boy to have contact with a 15 year old girl (statutory rape) but other than the sister stuff, I would've have used the "sexual predator" label on him.
WORD!! Right from page 10 of Penhouse Forum Letters, October 2004. "Then the babysitter tied me up with red silken cords, her 40-24-32 figure glimmering in the candleight...."
Oh great--I can just see some sick-o masturbating to this TV show. ARRRGGHH!

I think the Mom was very pretty. I like women with large eyelids--very Rennaissance looking (Susan Sarandon, etc) Just sayin...