I don't know where he could be, but I read (I think) on alt.gossip.celebrities that Jay is dating a Playboy model that he met on his show a few months ago.

I was watching the 5pm show tonight and for Wednesdays show they are showing
the one with that teen predator that did something to his sister. Guess the producers didn't pull it after all. And DP said they are giving him a lie detector test to see if he passes.

Today's show pissed me off. All Phil did was yell at the guests, and while the parents of the alcoholic kid deserved it on some level, I didn't think he offered much practical advice that viewers could apply to their own lives. Not everyone has a bald-headed fairy godfather to fly in and flip the bill for expensive treatment programs. More and more, he's throwing money at the problem instead of offering advice that viewers can apply to similar situations.

Second Family: Again, Phil pissed me off. So the truck driver father did not abandon his truck at the side of a freeway and fly home, risk losing his job and (probably) the family's sole means of support. But yet, by Phil's logic, he's a bad father who is "disconnected" from the situation. If they are like every other family in America (except for Phil and Robin, of course) they have to struggle to make their monthly mortgage payment and credit card bills, so the father can't afford to risk losing his job. Phil's rant that they're better off living in a tent just doesn't fly with me. I don't think Kitty would have sacrificed her Juicy Couture sweatsuits and weekly Botox to ensure that big ole Jay wasn't gulping down Robitussin.

I'm more and more disturbed by how out of touch Phil is with the vast majority of Americans. We have bills. We pay high mortgages or rents. A lot of us (my family included) don't have healthcare, and bite our nails to the quick every time someone sneezes. While Kitty preens and meows for the camera, the rest of us in the world have real problems that require real help, not just bundles of cash.

So truck driver dad, keep your job, keep the roof over your family's head. Contrary to what Phil thinks, you won't be helping your daughter if you're living in a relative's basement or in a box on the side of the road. [/RANT]

Fuck Phil, I'm off to drink some Nyquil.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at THAT Thanksgiving gathering.

Any bets on how accepting Mummy and Daddy are of this relationship?

Word. Has anyone ever priced last minute airfares? Phil is so out of touch, it's outrageous. The daughter wasn't critical, but stable, the mother was doing the best she could, yet phil rants. He has no clue as to the choices that real working people have to make everyday. Not everyone has thousands of dollars of credit or cash available to them at the drop of a hat.
Maybe the family should sell everything, live in a tent, have CPS take the kids away (because of said tent) then problem is solved??
For shame. What a jerk.

Imagine some overwrought parent were to follow Phil's advice to the letter. Kids out of control, wife bouncing atop the pool boy, radon levels unacceptable, husband hanging flaccid. Man sells the house, quits his marketing job which had necessitated frequent flying, checks the kids into detox, castrates the pool boy, and buys a case of cialis, which he moves into a fridge box under an underpass along with the wife, a Bible and Grandmom's silver. OK, Phil. What's your assessment?

Phil (still battling an image problem with Pringle's Chips guy): What were you thinkin? A box under a highway? How are you supposed to lead this family in a darn box? A man puts a roof over his family's head! A man goes to work every day to bring home a paycheck! A man doesn't diddle his wife while jakeleg truckers rattle the box as they go over in their semi's! A real man doesn't do that! A real man--

I believe the expression is "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Or its equally famous cousin,"Hot Diggity. Buy my book."

ETA:Today's browless women, weeping over the monsoon the Lord sent to ruin your Yankee Doodle reception? Get on your knees, girl. He did you a favor.

And again, BrightSpot and Kitty have been together 32 years. And she's 50. Hmm. I think Ole Phil scratched the intern itch.

Honestly, that pissed me off more than anything else this season. We don't know the whole story, maybe this guy really is disconnected, but he's a truck driver, not a TV Quack who can jump on a plane at any time. He has what we in the real world call a job. Meanwhile, I'm not sure what to think of mom. Is she a strong mama who can handle the little dope fiend, or is she an idiot who calls her daughter a "fucking liar".

When we check in with this family next, Dad will have taken the Great Shill's advice, and they'll be living in a van down by the river.

GemmaDoll, if you can somehow bring back "licklog" into your daily vernacular, it'll make my day.

I also can't stand his "Family First" bs- job? Screw *that*! Please. He can't genuinely believe people will sacrifice their livelihood before ignoring little Johnny's addiction to the 'tussin... right?

I felt so bad for that guy. Although we don't know the whole story of the family, I imagine that the Dad has been a long distance trucker for a while. Mom has handled most of the child raising because Dad is gone most of the time. Dad gets a call from Mom telling him the daughter had to go to the hospital BUT she is going to be fine and coming home that night. So Dad is supposed to abandon his truck which he may or may not own and likely lose his job to fly home? Bite me, Shil. It just doesn't work that way in the real world. People have responsibilities which can't be dropped instantly even when you would sometimes like to.

It is common once one has "made it" to forget how the other 99% of the country lives. But, hell, not this bad.
If Joe Average were to swoop into his office/plant/factory and claim he needed to prioritize his life by working fewer hours and concentrating on his family he would be met with confusion, derision and probably a yellow slip to see the PR people stat. If he were to go all drama royale and abandon his rig, stop the lathe, cancel his list of appointments and rush home to Dr Huxtable on everyone, the whole world would cave in on him. To the lick log.

Of course, the situation for mothers is similar, only, fortunately, we are not the ones to stand up and lead our families. In our periphery, our portion is to smile sweetly, nod serenely, and channel our anger into sit-ups. We could abandon our rigs, engines idling, and run home to Junior and Princess and make a tuna hot dish that would make all things right. Only girls don't drive trucks. Giggle giggle.

I hate to wring a dry mop but the Stars and Stripes wedding will haunt me in my dreams. Even the cold-cocked groom wasn't as horrifying, and he ended up with a spinal tap. I could even forgive Drunk Bride who had twenty reasons why the booze she swallowed got into her mouth by accident. But not that patriotic themed wedding with the fireworks as centerpieces and the red white and blue cake frosting and Uncle Sam on stilts and Sousa marches and little flags everywhere. Looked like a McGraw reunion, I'm sure, before the highway patrol drives up in the yard.

The weddding disaster show is on right now here, I can't wait till the end. I have to say these people don't know what a disaster is. I saw on story of a bride who was murdered on her wedding day and one of a groom who was nearly killed in a car accident. Those are disasters, not getting drunk or a minor head injury. Get over it!!. oh God Dr. Phulofit just gave them a trip for being whiny babies. God help me!

Referring back to limey4's post on 2/16 that Phillsey was escorted onto Letterman's stage by the remaining 2/3 of the triplets, I'd say that its probably workin' well for them since it was another example of Phulofit and Robo-Robin Go Hollywood. Man, he's really gone over the top since making the move to the Gold Coast. And yes, Phulofit, of course we believe that your moralized, sanitized and lobotomized Big-Butt son would never think of doing anything inappropriate with his Hollywood hussy in his purchased-by-Daddy million dollar home in the hills. Drink? Of course not. Sex? God and heavens forbid!

I chuckled when Phulofit was chastizing the 17-year old drunk driver about driving on the roads where his children are walking...WTF? So, have your young 'uns taken to walking the streets of LA late at night looking for their next fix of Ovaltine?

And further, Phulofit, one can only hope that former show guests whom you've deemed to be child abusers are ready to rise up and take spears in hand with regard to your comments about "chaining him to the bed" and "pouring his beer in his sheets and making him sleep in it" as your metered-out humiliations. But this isn't abuse in itself? Phony hipocrite.

Apparently, it's not abuse if it's coming from Phil. That should be a legitimate legal defense right up there with insanity or battered wife syndrome.

I noticed on the official site that Phil is planning to do a show on cults. Considering the way Phil brainwashes people into spouting his non-sensical platitudes, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

You may be on to something, sarcastic chick! Cult-think, indeed.

Regarding the wedding disaster show:

Hmmmmm, let's see: Mexican cruise - Dr. Phulofit's book. Mexican cruise - Dr. Phulofit's book? Seems like the red, white and oh-so-blue famewhore really got screwed in the quest for Dr. Phulofit's Prize of the Day! Boy, if she's pissed over the "monsoon" that spoiled her wedding, imagine her bitchiness while Mr. and Mrs. Amnesia are sailing the waters blue. Yet another item to blame on the gods...

I was kind of grooving on Ms Amnesia, since she seemed deluded but at least sincere about her delusion. She was honest about holding this unholy grudge and seemed willing to take some actual advice. Until she did the Fake As Hell Scream-Take when they announced the cruise. Duh. Like that wasn't what you were fishing for when you wrote in in the first place.

I was going to say, "Who the hell does that slap-the-son-in-law thing anyway," until they showed that video where they were shoving cake at one another. Oh. Tacky classless people. Who are given cruises.

Why, oh why, were these people given free stuff?

And another question while I'm at it (re: the red-white-and-blue-wedding-"disaster"-lady) If she says to her husband every day that she wants a divorce, don't you think one of these days he should say "OK!" I know I sure would.
Geez, it rained on your wedding day (it was no monsoon, lady) and you a) didn't have a back-up plan and b) see this as some symbol for your the state of your marriage. Yeah, I'd want to go through with that marriage after seeing her behaviour.
I know some women are all uppity about wedding day, and want to be a princess and all that crap, but really, can't you just laugh and enjoy the wedding you're dealt...or, say, change the date last-minute?

I understand the princess mentality, but newsflash to these people, it's not all about the bride and her wishes. And sometimes those imperfections are what make the day memorable. To this day, six years after my wedding, my most vivid memory is my little three-year-old nephew having an "accident" right in the middle of the dance floor, but I couldn't tell you what anyone said during their toast or who gave me what gift.

The whole princess bride thing is one element where I think women are still significantly behind the times. We can fight in wars or close a six-figure business deal, but when it comes time for the Big Day, we're supposed to get all dolled up and bawl our eyes out like every "fragile little woman" before us. Gag me.

Check it out, the last Dr. Shill special ihas been recapped and awaits your reading pleasure!

Dunder Dome does seem to have a bride thing. Apparently this is how his Madonna/Whore complex comes out for fresh air.

Great... Mikai's lie polygraph test will be on tomorrow. I hope he fails. Frankly, He is going to fail!!!

He should NOT have shown the molestation footage. It wounds former victims and titillates predators. He could have described it to the viewers and shown it to the parents only. His quest for ratings has officially made him a bottom feeder.

Has anyone seen today's ep? Is it as horrible as everyone expects?

ETA: Okay, so the two posts above answer the first question.

From Jacob's recap of Romance Rescue:

Bitch, please. Scan back through the thread and find the myriad places where the awesome denizens here have nailed the Shill's misogynistic ass to the wall. Come sit with us awhile. You'll find it oh so cozy in the hate.

I did not watch this special, mainly because I couldn't bear to see Jonathan & Victoria try to "rehabilitate" their image. However, I did read all 31 pages of the recap. And -- great googly moogly, did that all really happen? The stenographer taking down the details of the sex contract? And the Shill Suggestions whispered into the spinster's earpiece? And the stenographer turning up again as the jewelry saleswoman? And the big envelope marked SEX CONTRACT?

I think I need some smelling salts now. Daytime Phil is bad enough, but Primetime Phil seems to exist on a whole other planet of awfulness.

Awesome.

The parents on today's show . . . just . . .

Okay, so you've got a teenage son with a pattern of sexual acting out. And you've got a 2 year old daughter showing signs of abuse. And your answer is to institute a "two brother rule" where the younger boys are supposed to police the eldest. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Or how about this: the "one parent rule," where one of the adults in charge supervises at all times?! Here's another: the "zero Mikai" rule, where the legally adult high school dropout who's making life hell for everyone gets his ass booted out the door?!

These people have been wilfully ignorant and completely negligent toward their younger kids. You do not allow someone to destroy your whole family's life that way. I don't believe for one minute that this boy was molested by 27 different people, and I actually suspect he's never been molested at all. He knows that both his parents were abused, so his stories are an easy way to manipulate them and generate sympathy for himself. Mom & dad need to pull their heads out of their asses and stop expecting their children to parent each other.

Wow... what a freakshow.

Makai is seriously ill but those parents are inexcusable. Did it anyone else get a religious zealot feel form them? What with the fucked up names, a seeming distaste for modern medicine, and the fact that they seemed to believe that Makai was just suddenly a sexual predator. I also found the Dad saying that he had been sexually abused too to be really sketchy. It wouldn't shock me if Good Old Dad was the one messing with the little sister. These parents shouldn't have had kids until they'd each gotten a heavy dose of therapy.

ETA: Word on the one parent rule. Nothing agitates me more than the parental idocy of believing that siblings need to be forced to forge bonds and relationships. Turning this into a self-policed thing puts way more pressure on the other kids than any decent parent would even think of doing.

Word to your entire post, takeachip. I mean, I'm not even a polygraph expert and I think he's lying. His eyes kept darting around every time he answered a question, and there were just too many excuses.

Still not totally understanding why there wasn't a one-parent rule. Anyone who does that to my toddler, allegedly or otherwise, would have to get through me to get anywhere near my child. The first incident.

I was only able to catch a few minutes, but I was creeped out by Makai. The last place he needs to be is on Dr. Shill.

What a show. Incredible. Seems more like Maury or Springer than Phil.

I don't believe the kid or the parents. Something is very fishy. 27 people abused him? Puleeze, he's full of crap. Those parents should have all the kids taken out from the house until they learn how to parent, period.

Just call the district attorney now.

I can't believe they even showed that bit with the 4 year old on TV.

I wonder if he's read up on how to beat a lie detector test on the internet.

Slate magazine had someone try last month (using the information on some of the websites that tell you what to do) and failed to beat the lie detector at all.

He's in a win-win situation. If he passes he gets his credibility back, if he fails he can start claiming he was nervous and that's why lie detectors aren't admissible in court.

The dad creeped me out as much as Makai. I agree something's fishy there.

Makai is really a peice of work.

He needs to be a residental treatment center for sexual offenders because he's not safe around any girls. He is a sneaky, manipulative liar.

The four year old daughter would be better off with another family if he's still in the house.

Yeah, something's just not right here. We're supposed to believe that the mother, father, aunts, uncles, and Mikai have all been molested? And that Mikai alone was molested 27 times by various friends, boyfriends? The only way I could believe that his whole family was molested is if they are part of some religious sect where they are all insulated from the outside world and this behavior occurs regularly among them all. The kids' names and behavior on camera suggests that it's a possibility. Otherwise, his description of the molestation sounds more like sexual fantasies, and I don't believe it. Throughout this episode he blamed everything on other people and did not take responsibility for any of his actions once. What a sick, sick bastard.

Something is just not right with this family, particularly the parents. They didn't strike me as honest. I agree with the poster above that suggested the father as the possible molester. And perhaps the mother is covering for him.

This particular "episode" sounds so awful. I tape the Shill every day, but don't always watch it, and I don't think I'll watch this one because sexual molestation SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT. Dr. Shill must realize that his show is for entertainment and there is no way that this particular subject matter is helpful or (his favorite) "a teaching tool." He's the tool after all. It's not as if there are a bunch of families out there going, "I think my son is a sexual predator. Gosh, I wish Dr. Phil would do a show about it." Argh.

Even though the family probably approached him and asked for his help, he should have done the stand-up thing and gotten them some family therapy or whatever or worked with them himself off camera. Even if they said, "Oh no Dr. Phil we want to be on TV." He should have refused because it's not right.

Makai is seriously disturbed, serial killer material. There's just all kinds of manipulation, lying, and sexually deviant beahvior going on. I wouldn't want to live in his neighborhood. I think he's lying about 99% of what he said, 27? I doubt it. The parents are already on my shit list for the names of their kids (Kaizaach or whatever? ugh.), something is really odd here for sure.

I wanted more FUFs, but this is just sick.

Just chiming in on the Makai-is-a-fucking-liar and I-can't-believe-Shill-is-using molestation-footage chorus. Those parents are seriously deluded and out of touch. I fear that tomorrow's test results may favor Makai, simply because there is a small percentage of people who are such sociopathic and compulsive liars that they can beat polygraphs because to them, lying is the same thing as the truth. Makai may be one of those people, and if he is, the polygraph results will give his parents the big fat excuse they need to welcome him back into the bosom of the family and spend time sympathizing with him about the 54 million people who molested him, or however many he's claiming it is now.
And Shill proclaimed that if Makai is a child molestor, he will do everything in his power to keep him out of jail. WTF? Shill doesn't believe child molestors belong in jail?
Apropos of nothing, I wonder if this family is Mormon. With white families that live in the west, lots of children plus "different" names often = Mormons. Not that I am implying that being Mormon has anything to do with raising a messed-up child molestor and failing to protect your daughter from him, as it clearly doesn't.

The unusual names, and the frequent mentions of Utah made me think some weirdo fundie Mormon sect (waaaay far removed from the LDS church.)

I can't believe all the molestation - and I certainly don't believe Makai ever was.


But then, when Phil came back with the whole "We kept the cameras rolling and you won't believe what we got on tape!" I really thought the Dad was going to admit to molesting Makai, especially after the Dad said something like "I understand why he didn't tell." I was so expecting The Dad to break down and said he did it.


Why bother hiding the identity of the little girl? Her whole family was on there! Everyone from their town now knows.

Why don't they kick him out?

I also get a scary sort of religious/cult vibe from this family. And the fact that he only recently learned of his parents' history of abuse, AND only recently declared that he was abused, makes me think that he's a smart kid who latched on to his parents' story to garner sympathy for himself. I can believe that this kid may have been abused, but I don't buy for a second that it was by 27 different people. He admits to being a compulsive liar, so why is this story any more believable? When he can see that its one of the few things that gets a positive response from his parents?

It bugs me that Dr. Phil keeps asking did you do something "inappropriate." It's a moot question to ask someone if they did something inappropriate if they have a distorted view of what's appropriate. Notice that he asks "did you touch her" he gets a yes, but when he puts the "inappropriate" label, its a no. Its all about the question.

Agreed that its ridiculous that this high school dropout is allowed to remain at home with other kids. This whole family is so stuck in this sick dynamic, that they don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

I think Makai was molested. Not by 27 people but I do think that he definitely did have some sort of sexual trauma at an early age. If he was stealing cars and having problems with girls his own age, then I'd believe that he was just mimicking his parents. This sort of sexual deviance isn't the kind that you just develop as a general disruptive behavior.

I also noticed that the parents seem really stilted in their behavior. Like the sexual abuse they suffered has forced a large part of them to remain at a young age mentally. I'm pretty sure the other kids have big problems as well, but compared to Makai, they aren't being discussed. That "we wanted to hurt him to make him fear us" was indicative of something really wrong.

For real! They should send his psycho ass to jail for a night. Nothing will fix you up quicker than sleeping next to some creepy ass inmate that hasn't had any female/sexual contact in three years!!!

Anyway, this show was hard to watch, especially when they showed the little girl. Mikai is so molesting her because when they paused on him touching her thigh, it made me think of something. I watch a lot of court shows and shows that follow stories of families, and whenever someone is abused, they always bring up that sometimes the molestor will slowly touch more explicit areas. Like, they'll touch a calf muscle, then "accidently" touch the victim's inner thigh, just to see how they will respond. When I saw Mikai playing with the little girl, that is the first thing that came to mind!

The parents set off my "wonky" alarms too. They seemed kind of stiff and rehearsed.

I was just going to say that about the lie detector test, Peanutbuttercup. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he passed the lie detector test while lying about all of it just because he doesn't seem to be capable of distinguishing what's wrong about a lie or why it's different from the truth. Those kinds of people are friggin' scary.

Word. This kid is a serial molester and all Dr. Shill gave him was a "good talking to." The kid needs real therapy with a real professional, not Jerry Springer with a Texas accent.

What made me even sicker was when Makai said his girlfriend was pregnant. The last thing he needs is a fresh baby to molest and screw up. If I was the 'girlfriend', I'd get his parental rights terminated pronto or put the baby up for adoption.

The parents are doing him no favor by keeping him at home. The other brothers hate him and want to hurt Makai,not a bad thing to me. They can't even have female friends around because he knows no boundaries. I'm surprised an angry dad or other brother hasn't beat the stew out of him.

I can't imagine he'll pass. I don't think he at all believes what he's saying, he's a very transparant and not at all facile liar. I think the molestation claims are bogus and I think those parents should be in fucking jail for allowing him to stay in the house.

I think he belongs in a long-term, sexual offender jail, one which he won't necessarily get out of. I can't believe the dangerous quack didn't even mention prison.

I'd just like to thank Dr. Phil for resorting to a lie detector test, therefore proving my thoughts that he is no more than a Maury with a degree and necktie.

I like how Dr. Phil was very careful to call it a polygraph instead of a lie detector.

Word Peanutbuttercup. I had the same reaction. I live in Utah, I'm an ex-mormon and I have great Mo-dar. Need to see a bit more of the family to figure out if they are indeed Mormon but I am betting they are.

This kid needs help. Molested by 27 people? I call shenanigans.

Does anyone remember how these allegations about the little sister began? Was it just based on his behavior towards other girls, or did the parents witness something? Whether this specific allegation is true or not, Makai is a sexual predator, and I'm shocked that the parents of that 12-year-old he solicited for phone sex didn't prosecute.

CPS needs to give this family an ultimatum: Either Makai leaves or the little girl leaves. Someone needs to get her out of this environment until this is settled.

The Dr. Phil website claims that they are working with authorities on this incident, but they can't be working too closely, because I think CPS would have removed those kids long before the episode even aired.

I believe there was some redness/swelling in the little sister's private area. His excuse was that it was when she was young and he didn't know how to properly change her diaper. Bull.

I hope I'm remembering correctly, someone please correct me if I got it wrong.