What were they doing on Montel?

My thought on the Sloppies was that Mrs. Sloppy was being passive aggressive towards her husband in refusing to keep the house clean and organized. Mr. Sloppy stated it wasn't his job to keep it clean and he expected her to do all the work. Of course Phil tacitly backed him up on this by only addressing his questions and challenges to Mrs. Sloppy. God forbid Phil ever suggest that a man step outside his ordained role by doing housework.
And the Checked-Out Dad with the Needy Daughter - that family got ripped off, esp. in comparison to the Sloppies. All they got was a bunch of board games and a dinner out! Checked-Out Dad would probably have appreciated a free year's subscription to www.[censored].com instead - I smell an internet porn addiction from someone who refuses to spend time with his family and instead shuts himself in his room and plays on the computer all night. I never knew how popular internet porn was until I started working in a public library.

Masked Spangler, the small sample I saw showed video of the kids being wretched, Montel looking agog, Mom shrugging sheepishly, and the camera cutting to a Nanny in the audience.( I believe she was sitting next to the wife of the Yelling Husband from another episode.)

Then Nanny Deb came out and started giving Karen hell for letting her son sleep with her again. I think Montel said something to the effect of, his (the kid's) future wife better be watching because he is going to expect her to cater to him just like Mommy does.

The show with Matt and Karen-the fame whores- was first aired on the Shill show on Oct 26. The Nanny 911 show first aired on Nov 3. Matt and Karen were Family #1. You can read a recap of the Nanny show here: They received a free one week cruise for going on that show.

http://www.fox.com/nanny911/ Click on Recap and go to Family #1
http://www.drphil.com/show/show.jhtml?cont...12_dilemmas.xml

Well, that's the first thing I'd tell 'em!


That's it! That's what was bugging me about the whole segment. It was all her fault -- I'm sure none of that mess was hubby's. Oh bite me, Phil. I could hear tens of TWoPers banging their heads into the wall and saying "FlyLady. FlyLady. FlyLady..."

That point almost started an argument between me and Mr. Star! He was agreeing with Phil, and I was aghast. I told him that it was partly Mr. Sloppy's fault for letting things degenerate to that level. It takes 2 people to make that level of mess. I figure instead of stepping over the mess, pick up a broom and help clean up!

This was totally my second-year university roommate issue. I lived with two guys and one of them was just horrible. He actually walked in ont he last day of classes and told me that now that classes were done, he was not going to wash his dishes anymore. I was all WTF?

YES Hexele!! That was me!! Clomping away on the treadmill at level 3.4, yelling at the screen "Flylady, you idiot!! That's what she needs!" (This was not in my basement either, by the way. See what depths Shill leads me to? Actually, it was quite cathartic.)

Anyway, how much more useless can Shill get before he approaches the level of Kitty? You could see it on the face of the Mom of 7 kids that she was expecting more help from him than a pat on the back, a pre-assembled Pottery Barn table and a trip to Universal where she has to then proceed to keep constant tabs on the 7 kids for 4 days and 3 nights. Some big friggin' vacation for her there...

I was on the treadmill next to this old lady, who snorted derisively when the usual Mile-O-Shills'-Books flashed on the screen.

And don't get me started with that messy professional home organizer. CHRIST! But down the Twinkie you've obviously been stuffing your face with and pick up the broom. Sheesh.

Call CPS, I say. This is beyond believable.

See, I've tried Flylady and it doesn't work for everyone...probably has something to do with the fact that you have to check your email at least 5 times a day for the little reminders and my main distraction from housework is the internet. It was a Catch 22 all the way.

OT: Preview for tomorrrow looks wretched. No more Robin, please.

That "right or happy" ultimatum makes me urp my cornflakes. Stop with the little samplers! Also, stop trying to tell us "little ways" to please your family. The last little thing you gave Robin was probably in a teeny tiny box from Tiffany with a itty bitty bow on the widdle top. And why is Kitty saying you've been together 32 years? Isn't she only 50? What's going on here?

PS Powder your head.

Word lispunk! My parents have a definite problem with organizing, everything ends up on the dining room table. So I saw that this segment was coming up, so I popped a tape in to tape it for them thinking it might give some ideas on how to organize. Silly me, all they need to do is call Lowe's and miraculously everything will be clean and organized.

Ever notice that Phil tends to do this when the person he is talking to is making a valid point and/or argument back to Phil?

It's a way for Phil to invalidate whatever they are saying...is the person presses the point, he does that, "Fine, we'll just say you are right. OK, you're right...are you happy now?!?!" It's weird and very agressive.

I think he gave up private practice because he couldn't afford an office large enough to contain a patient, him and his mountainous ego. He will not brook argument, he will not change his mind. His folksy comments about women are obnoxious and degrading.Kitty doesn't want to ASK for a compliment, she wants it upfront as soon as she pirouettes and curtsies.Kitty has to tell Phil where to go for dinner because Phil is a big, strong man who is busy making money and clubbing wildebeests and can't be bothered with the feminine periphery. Kitty must understand this. Phil is the top dog, the alpha stud, the star.

I wish them both a year of tax audits, gum trouble and boils.

Someone tell me why WhamBamPam thought it necessary to haul her misery and her mister before Phil's throne? He wants a different woman, one with glitz and a rounded figure. You're smart enough, Pam Flat Bottom, not to change for a man so dump his Billy Blanks ass and move on. And Billy? Nice cover. Write some content.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who was peeved that Phil didn't get on Mr. Sloppy's ass. The house being a little messy is one thing, but a dirty diaper melded to the sofa is NASSSTY!

Oh my God.

The guy in the third couple is SUCH an ASSHOLE!

I hope that woman dumps his ass & finds a good guy.

Everything about Shill these days seems thuggish and aggressive. Whatever small amount of compassion and caring he used to have are gone. He's right about everything, dammit, and mere mortals better shut up and listen.

Jeebus!

I had sort of expected the "I want my wife to have LopezAss" to be sort of funny or at least mildly amusing...what a freaking trainwreck!

I feel like putting my head in the oven, now. Thanks, Phil. Thanks alot.

I can't believe that guy, what the heck is with him? If I were married to him, I would be such an alcoholic by now!

The Wham-Bam-Thank you, Pam couple were just awful. He sent in photos of himself in his underwear and they still agreed to have him on the show? Did they get rejected by Jerry Springer? Phil should have given them a prize: a limo ride to a paid lawyer for her and a boot to the ass for him. Is anyone else going to have nightmares about her saying that she felt like a toilet when they had sex? Shudder!!!

Yep, Pam's big lazy gym-rat of a spouse was Springer material all the way. What kind of idiot says he can't get his little steroid-impaired weenie up unless he sees a gigantic rear -- and then marries an Asian woman?

Now Amber Frey; she's my husband's dream girl -- long blond hair, long thin body, and absolutely nothing to say.

Twogoods, I was glad to see that I'm not the only person in the world who doesn't think Flylady should be canonized. I keep a nearly spotless house (a touch of OCD going on) but I would really feel like cleaning had taken over my life if I had to follow her nagging suggestions. I have a short daily routine, a 3 hour weekly routine and a big floor-waxing-window-washing ordeal I go through a few times a year or after watching one of those "How clean is your house" shows. I would so much rather plunge in and get it done all at once than have to re-start myself five times a day.

The "right or happy" tripe is sticking in my craw. Adulthood isn't about right or happy! It's about moral conscience, choosing your battles, interpreting values, deciding if you are going to listen to your inner voice or go along with the mob who has someone cornered. You get happiness, but not my swallowing your truths and letting the bullies have the floor.

In a room full of shouting assdragons you may be the voice of dissent. And you won't be happy, but you might be content because you can live with yourself. Why does this overfed Tony Robbins insist on saying otherwise? Because he's a bully. And he has the floor.

and a big fat contract, dammit.

I despise Phil, and not just because he's a bully or because he's intimidating or because he's a loud mouthed schmuck who has to be right about everything. It's because he smothers this tripe as therapy. This isn't theralpy, folks. A therapist is not intimidating or degrading, he/she doesn't scream and yell at a patient, he/she doesn't overtalk a person. a real therapist listens, asks questions and KEEPS THEIR DAMNED OPINIONS TO THEMSELVES. The whole point of therapy is to make people feel better about themselves, to allow them a safe place to work out personal problems, with a guiding hand when things get too rough to do alone. This asshole needs a muzzle and to go back to shrink school, where he might learn what a real therapist is.

HEE!!!

I heard "lick log" too and rewound my tape a couple of times to check. It sounds as if she said "I want to get down to the lick log" so I typed that into a search engine and the best I could find is that it is a *Texas* expression. I saw it being used as "we're getting down to the lick log of the matter" so perhaps it means "getting to the crux of the matter" or something. Sorry if it disappoints anyone to hear this. It was kind of more fun to be thinking "Lick log? Whaaaat?" but I had to find out.

to match his big fat ass.

Phil the PILL...not even worth the space on my DVR.

Again I say, I fucking hate Dr. Phil. "Maternal instinct?" Ex-fucking-scuse me, but is a woman the only parent that should be arsed to care about their kid? I loved (NOT) how he kept hammering home this notion that only women could have some sixth sense that would tune them in to possible danger or whatever. Thanks, Dr. Phil for making caring for children a partnership between the mother and the father! Fucking moron.

Edited to clarify:

I'm not knocking maternal instinct. But Dr. Shill's single-minded focus on the mother--and the woman as perpetuator of violence against children (yeah, he had a dad on first, but he never asked him about any "paternal instinct") once again reinforces what I've thought about Shill--he's a sexist pig bastard who does far more damage to women than he does help them. Again I say, fucking moron.

It truly is a way to lay the blame for the sitters' criminal behavior on the moms. If something happens it is because you didn't heed your instinct. Or worse, you have no instinct--what kind of mother are you!? Much like a rapists victim: Didn't you have a sixth sense when he approached you?!

He did the very worst thing, though, by gratutiously showing the footage of those babies being abused over and over. Shame on you Phil. Two of the children whose agony was broadcast were not even part of today's show. Are we so insensitive now that that footage couldn't have been shown just once with an adequate warning that it was graphic and disturbing and not for children to see?

Anyone see Topic A with Tina Brown last night on CNBC? She made mention of new magazine cover article about Dr. Phil. The article was all about how patriarchal & partronizing Phil is. Nothing new, obviously, but always fun to read it being rephrased. Anyone remember which magazine it was in?

Shows like today's are so disturbing for me, it's hard to watch the video of a baby being shaken so violently like that, over and over no less. Just recently I've made arrangements with my sister in law to baby sit my 16 month old niece during the week and after seeing this, I'm so thankful I know she'll be well taken care of by family. Not that there aren't great care takers out there who are not family and there aren't bad family care givers, but it just makes me feel better to know she won't be with a stranger all day long.

My mom works in the neonatal intensive care unit at a hospital and she's telling me all the time about kids of abuse, I just can't believe what some people will do to a helpless child. The penalties for these crimes and horrible actions aren't nearly harsh enough for what the child and parents suffer through for often the rest of their lives. Argh!

Below is a link to a recent article about Shill. It's called "The Bad Doctor.
Daddy Knows"

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=UZ5CIe0y9A...%2BjKDrPB%3D%3D

Nice one! Ms. Cottle (the author) should hang with us a few days. Sweeeet article.

I'm not sure just why today's show was so abhorant to me, but ...damn y'all. Why did these ladies feel the need to go on camera with their grief? Was the message that one should never never never ever let the children out of sight for even a second? Who can live up to this? Were they just working out their vengeance on the baby-sitter?

I found this show to be almost as repulsive as the "working moms 'vs' SAH moms" show, where we were treated to the anvil-like subtleness that working moms are selfish whores who leave their neglected tots at festeringly foul daycares.

Disclaimer: I have a baby. I would be bereft if something should happen to him but I realize that accidents happen. I work. I have daycare three days a week.

Poor Phil. He thought he was being subtle.

It always comes back to the mom (not the dad). Why wasn't she more careful, got more references, wired her infant for sound, bore a hole in the day care ceiling and watched for the first few months from the roof? Why did she not travel to the sitter's native Manitoba and interview the residents of her home town? Why? Because she turned away from her maternal instinct, THE most powerful force on earth.

Stronger than f-5 tornadoes, more acute than radar, more complex than trigonometry. Maternal instinct, the only human sense that is 100% fool-proof, completely inherent, and proof positive that women are meant to stay at home with their children even if it means living in a lean-to on the edge of a field eating canned beans and government cheese! (She should also maintain her pre pregnancy weight and groom carefully before her husband awakes because men are "Visual creatures.")

Phil. Phil. Phil. You know what "maternal instinct" and "gentler sex" and "intuitive gender" and "life givers" has traditionally meant? Well it meant that if a woman did something way harsh, say, blackjack a person and rob him, she would get twice the sentence that a man would who did the same crime. Because while illegal, it was also a crime against nature. You have boobies--you shouldn't be jacking and lifting wallets. And Phil? The same thing was hammered into us about menstruation. Made us irrational, unable to swim and unfit for public office.

Of course we often sense when our child is at risk, but we usually have the same "instinct" when it involves spouses, parents, friends and other people we love. It's called being a human being. Tune in to that.

And part of that hideous footage was used in commercials to advertise the show, before it aired. Way to exploit a poor baby's suffering over and over to drag in viewers. Execrable.

Phil yaks on about maternal instinct because he's a throwback to the days when instinct or intuition was all that women were allowed. Women didn't possess normal intelligence like men, y'see, but they had this mysterious thing called instinct. A woman whose instinct faltered was considered flawed, damaged, less womanly. If a kid fell victim to a predator, or got into any other kind of trouble, it was all mom's fault.

To Phil women are still mysterious beings to be alternately feared and desired - and misundertood, definitely.

I come here for the Dr. Shill snark, but I stay for the Gemmadoll commentary. Seriously, you crack my shit up. And you're always on point--you too, DeepRed.

Because it can't be said enough, Dr. Phil is a fucking moron. He's a hack who essentially verbally and psychologically abuses women and calls it "therapy." What's sad is the women who flock to this fool are like battered children who crave the attention and approval of the "stern daddy." I fucking hate this fucking moron. I really think Phil harbors a lot of hatred toward women.

"We'll be right back to the Samuel L. Jackson show" was Dr. Phil's funny of the day and I can only wish that Sam would take over this show. I did not plan on tuning into another celebrity infomercial, but Samuel L. Jackson rocks and I got pulled into it. Kudos to you, Sam, for being able to give better advice than the good Doctor. Boo to Dr. Phil for bringing up the David Letterman clip where Sam dared to insult you.

That sums up what I feel too, CaptainS. Now help me think of ways to get this creep off the air...

I didn't watch the show with Samuel L. yesterday, even though I love the guy and he always gives good interview. I couldn't stand to see Shill drool all over another celebrity - watching him with Michael Keaton was more than enough.

Oh, I forgot to add:Shill feels compelled to prove that he's always right; he just can't stop himself. Hmm, what is it he says: would you rather be right or happy? He should take his own advice.

What I hated about the abused baby show was his expolitation of isolated incidents that were years old and had already been run into the ground by many, many other programs from Dateline to Geraldo to Bill Kurtis.

With all Dr. Shill's crap about the Sacred Power of Maternal Instinct I await with bated breath his show on Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney, and Dena Schlosser.

The late great Dr. Spock mentioned "maternal instinct" a few times in his 1946 classic Baby and Child Care. In 1968 he wrote an article for Redbook magazine apologizing for his part in perpetuating such a silly idea. He said he had received many letters over the years from young mothers who felt guilty because they couldn't tell whether their baby was crying from hunger or pain. That was 37 years ago and Phil still hasn't gotten the message. Really, what a putz.

Today's show was just the perfect follow-up to last nights, "The Biggest Loser". More people living the appearance driven life. Particularly Rachel who seems to think that looking good during her half-hour wedding ceremony is a good reason to put off making a legal commitment with her child's father, for three years.
Come on people. Obesity will always be with us; we have the least expensive food in the world -- we only smoke and drink about half as much as other western countries -- it's going to be a perpetual problem for us, so why not work with it instead of putting off life until we reach some false ideal of thinness?

Knowing how Shill can't stand women whose appearances aren't perfect, I can't wait to hear what he has to say about chubby brides - brides being the pinnacle of all that's womanly, to Shill. Also I won't be surprised if he grills them about whehter they're entitled to wear white. Ass.

I had no Phil this morning,but I'll have to catch him later today on one of those stations that comes in all jumpy. The topic, "overweight brides" sounds as if it will stiffen my woolies, because I can hear Phil saying those words in the way he might say," Triathlete amputees."

So much contempt radiating from a man that, honestly, how many two-for-ones would you have had to down to not totally freak if that came lumbering up to you in a singles' bar? I thought so. Boy I bet thirty-two years ago Kitty wishes she had gotten excited about her life instead of excited about nothing, then married him. (I want to credit Kate Hepburn with that quote; it may have been another woman's woman).

Did the Af-Am bride actually use the term "funeralized"??

<adding that to my list next to "agreeance">

Heh, yeah I caught "funeralized" too. (2nd in my book only to "lick log".)

What irked me most about the chubby brides was how I could never in a million years imagine Phil doing a show on chubby grooms. Double standard to the max!

I'm salivating to hear Gemmadoll's take on Kitty's cold reading while holding the box o' sparkly rings- "this pear-shaped diamond weighs 2 carats..."

Phil never lets me down. Today's gem: "every bride has just one thing on her mind as she walks down the aisle ... how do I look?"
No, Phil, not every bride is 100% preoccupied with thoughts about her looks. Perhaps that was your bride, but not every bride. Some brides think things like:
"I love him so much, I'm so happy to be getting married."
"Maybe this is all a big mistake. Run!"
"I'm glad he agreed to that prenuptial agreement."
"I wonder if everyone knows I'm pregnant?"
"Aww, there's grammy, she looks great."
"This is the most important day of my life."
"I hope I don't mess up and get his name wrong like Princess Di did."
"Even though marriage is a patriarchal institution that historically legitimized the status of women as property to be passed from one man to another, this is fantastic."
Etc.
Not every woman is constantly thinking about her looks, especially when she is about to enter a solemn legal (and possibly religious) contract.
I thought some of the overweight brides were beautiful and attractive right now. Their fiances seemed to think so too. But Phil would never suggest such a thing!
--edited because the percentage symbol is not the same thing as an ampersand.

I caught funeralized, too. Her voice was shaky, so I'm willing to write it off as nerves. Funny, though.

What was up with the Olympic wrestler? He seemed overly critical of his fiance. It sounds like most of the pressure to lose weight is coming from him. When he said something like, "She looks beautiful now, but if she lost the weight, she would look amazing." Not very supportive, considering that she had just dropped to 194 from 250-something. Dropping 60 lbs. is not something to just blow off, even if you have almost that much weight to go. She should be proud of herself.

Peanutbuttercup wrote:


Yeah, that's not what was on my mind. All I could think was, "I gotta pee, I gotta pee."

BTW, I ordered some of Robin's Aloe Vera juice. Yuck! It was oily and unflavored-the nastiest stuff I've ever tasted.

How about:
"WOW, the best man looks hot!" (for cheating brides)
"WOW, the priest looks hot!" (for religiously-confused brides)
"WOW, the ring bearer looks hot!" (for pedophile brides)

I can't believe I left out:
"I can finally get married to the woman I love! Thank you, Massachusetts Supreme Court!"

I'm livid. Phil yanks my chain pretty taut, but today's first guests have me afraid for my valves and capillaries.

First, I have to say that when I scan the content of Phil's show, I approach it as you would a forwarded e-mail. Seen this. Old topic. AIDS from track lighting? (Oh yeah, and toenail cancer from running shoes). This looks interesting. I'm fascinated by that. (Rarely happens). The worse is the Phil virus that crashes my hard drive. (By virus I mean bullshit and by hard drive I mean sanity).The first couple today, though, were an outrage like no other.

Melissa and Bobby adopt a defenseless baby from India. The baby is "flawed", high need, exasperating. Melissa calls him "It." I hope David Pelzer was watching this, and I say this with every ounce of fervent sincerity I can generate. I want a superhero--one who has been "It," who has been called names and shoved aside for his siblings and taunted for his limitations and forced into cruel physical puinshment and told he was not wanted-- to swoop in and steal this baby. Find him a home (he hasn't one), find him parents (again, he only has these two icebergs),tell him it isn't his fault that his mom and dad couldn't take care of him and it isn't his fault that he was spirited away in the night to a whole different country and mostly, it isn't his fault that his adoptive "mother" is made out of ice, acid, and poison oak.

I concede that parents--adoptive, birth, foster, step-- can feel disconnected, frustrated or even unable to love a child. The difference is that those folks usually feel bad about it. Horrible, even. They ask, "What kind of person am I to feel this way about a helpless child?" But Melissa? Nuh uh. No emotion, no regret, no pity. Also like Dave Pelzer's "mother" this woman doesn't want the child's father to bond with him, run interference or probably, treat him like a little boy instead of the origin of all that is wrong and ugly in Melissa's world.

Give him up, Melissa. Let someone love him. In fact, give up the two you birthed because someone who was obviously born with an automotive battery where her heart should go is really not the person to be raising children into caring, loving adults. I know the producers set up the shot where your son was forced to run in circles, but they can be assy in such situations, as we have all seen. But I speak for every mom here when I say that they would have had to put a gun to my head to force me to mistreat my child, and then they would have had to pull the trigger.

I'm glad you came forward. Now, hand over the kids and steal back to your cave, get yourself nice and comfortable in the upside-down position you favor, and get a nice day's sleep.

What happened to last season's Dr. Phil who said women should be more focused on the MARRIAGE, NOT the wedding.

Now, is Dr. Shill taking kickbacks from David's Bridal and DeBeer's Diamonds?

How can a professional seriously suggest a woman can lose 45-50 pounds in 3 months? A "safe" weight loss regimen should only yield 2-3 pounds a week, so that would be only 24-36 pounds. Add to that the stress of planning a wedding.
I'd like to see a reunion show a year from now of this crash diet brides and see who's kept the weight off.

What's next? Is Dr. Shill going to start promoting plastic surgery?

Or as I was thinking on my wedding day (25 years ago)

"Wow, the photographer is really hot!"

Oh, and WORD to Gemmadoll and the mom who called her child "it."
Heartless. Just heartless.

Ah, today on the Dr. Phill Parade of Female Pathology: a woman who 'adopted a kid, and changed her mind!!!' Wow. What an evil bitch--she certainly needs the help of a Big, Strong, Smart Man like Dr. Phil.

That woman doesn't deserve to be called a "mother" unless "fucker" is immediately following. That bitch is cold, and calculating--she knew she could get 15 minutes of fame (and infamy). She doesn't bit more care about that poor child than I do an old 3.5 floppy disk--and she doesn't intend to change. If she realizes that she doesn't love her son (adopted or not), and has gone through a fair amount of self-diagnosis, what the hell does she expect Phil to do for her? No, let's just call it what it is: she's an abusive person who is too chicken to outright kill the child (no, she ain't going to jail) but will kill him psychologically.

The bitch is fucking evil. Phil knew it, the producers knew it and they couldn't wait to book her.

Melissa should be ashamed of herself, really. What an awful, awful human being. What I don't get is why she was actually there, if the child she physically and biologically had herself had the same afflictions, she would be responsible for that kid, you can't just decide you don't like that and throw it away. She didn't seem to me like she wanted to change the way she was dealing with the little boy. The dad is just as bad of course, but naturally they focused on her mostly. BAH.