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I bow down before your creative genius. I love this sndrome name. Off topic for just a bit. I wish I had known you folks were here back when All MccBeal was torturing the airwaves. I had so much to say and no one to say it to.I would kill to have heard what was said on these boards.

This episode originally aired on Oct.26 and Nanny 911 originally aired on Nov.3. Due to the close proximity of both shows, it's obvious they had to have at least applied already for Nanny 911 while still filming Dr.Phil.

I strongly believe that they made it a point to cuss when aguing so Dylan would pick it up and misbehave and therefore, they would get free travel and TV exposure. I have e-mailed both Fox and Dr.Phil to make them aware of Karen and Matt and advised him not to allow this couple back on any update shows ever again. I also suggested that their free cruise be revoked. Karen and Matt have used and exploited their children in order to gain free travel and attention via television, as well as wasting Dr.Phil and Nanny Deb's time when it could have been used to help a family who genuinely and sincerely wanted the advice.

I would encourage everyone to e-mail both shows and let them know. Producers usually do a good job of questioning potential guests about other help they are receiving, but I guess this couple just slipped through the cracks.

Email? No! Let's charge Phil's studio like the Huns on the Capitol One ads. Been itching for an excuse since his shiny dome reflected the lights for the very first time. We will not be mocked, Phil! Duck and cover old boy, we're coming in.

I don't usually watch Dr. Phill, but was home for a couple of days,,,,anyway. Word to to wise: NEVER, EVER, EVER WASH YOUR CHILD'S MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP. ESPECIALLY LIQUID SOAP!!! Children have been known to have seizures as a result of this practice!

I was shocked to hear Mrs. Phil tell her soap story with such pride. Also, the couple who used a cocktail of hot sauce and other things to discipline their son was simply outrageous. In most states that would constitute a child protection report.

What drives me crazy about this show is that Dr. Phil has not been practicing family therapist! I don't why people flock to him? Yeah, I know that what he says makes sense, but certainly there is never any follow up to see what happens to these families.

There is another Nanny show coming to ABC. We should keep and eye out for the no infamous Karen and Matt.

This MORON who is a labelwhore is really, really pissing me off. This fool has three kids who he's teaching to be completely materialistic, is $26,000 in consumer debt, has had a house foreclosed and can't pay his basic utilities has the audacity to say he needs a $13,000 motorcycle? He is a fool who should never have been allowed to spread his seed. Rather than listen to Dr. Shill, they should probably call Dave Ramsey--cause he'd call them what I've been calling them: Morons.

ITA Captain Snarky. He is so far in denial about his situation that he doesn't even know how stupid he's looking on tv! All that BS about "oh yes, we need to get a financial situation cleared up" and not five minutes later, he's rolling his eyes when they tell him to sell the friggin' motorcycle and the SUV. Arggggh.

I would think the Nanny 911 show would have been in "the can" for a while even though it aired late Oct (editing,etc). The Dr Phil show time period would probably have been more current. So I'm thinking they went on DP show after the Nanny 911. All I can say is "oh brother".

Why, oh why, must we be invaded by Dr. Phulofit at unsuspected times of the day? So now we have "Dr. Phil's Tip of the Day" at 9 a.m.? Good grief, Man, get OFF my TV!!!

The only high spot I can see in this is the potential for even more overexposure of this charlatan, resulting in a higher and sooner "fall" than we all know is coming. You listening, God?

Both couples on today annoyed me. Yes, the labelwhore was the worst, but the second couple not so great either. Sure, they said they wanted to change, but then they were all aghast and defensive when Dr. Shill suggested getting rid of the SUV. "We neeeeed it ... we have children ... an old clunker won't have room for four car seats" -- right, we all know that way back in the 90's, families with large children just tied the extra children to the bumpers or the car roof, or rode their donkeys to the store. They could get a perfectly serviceable used station wagon for approx. $5,000. Their issue isn't needing room for the children, it's needing to look wealthy to the friends and neighbors. Exhibit B: hardwood floors and granite countertops they couldn't afford.

The most precious part of the debted out couples was the way they sat all panty-twisted just knowing that at any moment Phil was going to whip out the oversized checks and tell them their troubles were over.

The letter that the second woman wrote? Appealing to Phil as if he were the patron saint of American Express? "Save us, Dr Phil! Please save our children, save our marriage, save our names and our reputation and our silverware and our Porthault sheets and our collection of little Limoges boxes. Please Dr Phil, if you and your enviable checkbook might touch the hem of our designer clothes we might be made whole..."

If you're too dense to downsize your housing and transportation but try to nickel and dime your way to financial stability via ebay, you might be a Philadork.

If you think the right labels make you the envy of all you survey but you don't have a college fund for your kids, you really must be a Philadork.

Funny, though, that while Phil was trying to show that there is nobility in 1,100 sq ft houses and junky cars because he and the Princess once owned them, the point was lost on our Kitty.
She shielded her eyes, squirmed, and all but held her breath while Phil showed us the "yucky house" the "poo poo cars."

Bwwaaahh! Gemmadoll, I worship in your general direction.

Gemmadoll, that was friggin' hilarious. And oh-so-very true. Granite countertops? Hardwood floors? Give me a break. The house itself was probably far, far more than they could afford--they probably bought that house just knowing that it was in a "good" neighborhood (read: in an expensive neighborhood) and the address would look good on the stationery.

I just loved when Dr. Shill would tell these morons the fucking simple shit they could do to get on the road to financial common sense--get rid of an SUV for a smaller car: GASP! Oh, no, I can't do that. Stop buying expensive designer labels: Oh, helll no. How else can I impress all of these fictional white people who desperately need to see a black man in expensive clothese else they'll think we all live in the ghetto? (Never mind Colin Powell, Will Smith, LL Cool J, any black man not named Ricky Williams who plays in the NFL...there are so few role models!) These morons did not need the kid gloves from Shill. What they needed was someone to tell it like it t-i-is. They're selfish, immature nimrods who don't need anyone to coddle them in their self-destructive behavior. I wish Shill had said "Look, fool. You spent your way into oblivion--did you think I would have the magic keys to the Kingdom of Wealth? Get the fuck outtahere with your bullshit, you simpletons. Oh, and no. I ain't Oprah--you ain't gettin' a damn dime outta me."

Some people have to completely hit bottom before they learn. These people are those kind of people. Can you file for bankruptcy twice? The first debtwhore couple is going to lose the second house too. You just know it. The second couple was hoping for a free Dr. Phil bailout check.

"You can't solve a money problem with money," is one of Phil's more lucid emissions, although he did crib it from someone else. I wonder when the pedulum will swing back, and Americans will embrace thrift and Horatio Alger and roots and all that good stodge and stop leveling our forests for Mc Mansion expansion and ruining our air with their belching assault vehicles that seat twelve--in theory--but never hold more than four butts. ("But we use it for carpool/scouts/little league!" Yes, so did Granny. Had a paneled station wagon. Fit the kids tight but left the planet decimation to Union Carbide.)

I know a couple who are in the same fix, credit maxed to the eyeballs, but always, always acquiring the newest and the best. Why? Because between them they couldn't come up with an intelligent thought if George Will was in the Escalade riding shotgun and prompting them. But they are so proud of their 5,000+ house with the bells and whistles. Every Christmas they take a picture from another angle, the family of three in repose in front, which becomes their Christmas card. Value what now?

Now, today's rebroadcast of simpering newlyweds? What is up with Miss "I thought I WAS marrying money!" The hell? The aching hell? Sweetie, baby, lovey! You don't fall for the baubles and trips and vintage wine.

I can't believe someone would actually go on a show and say this...I was sitting
there shocked just listening to her...I am new to the boards and let me just say
you make me laugh all day with some of the things everyone says on here.....keep
up the snarking.

sorry the first 3 lines of my above post I got from someone elses post and meant
to put it in a box but wasn't sure how to....I'll learn it sooner or later.

c.

My parents raised two kids using a Toyota hatchback and a VW Beetle. Nobody needs a Chevy Suburban, except maybe the people with the septuplets. I love it when my coworkers whine about how they can't survive without two incomes too. When did a 55 inch television become a need instead of a want?

So true!!! Especially the second couple. Dr. Phil said something like "Would you be happy if you had a check for $19,000?" or something to that effect and the wife just lit up like a Christmas tree and said "Yeah, that would be great." Ha ha! Psych!

I grew up with a single parent, 1 of 2 children. Heck, we didn't have a car for 2 years! Of course it was in a small town and we walked everywhere. I can't imagine filing for bankruptcy and then a year later in debt again. Did they get more credit cards? I didn't get to watch the show, just read about it at Dr.Phil's site.

Gemmadoll, I think I love you. The sad thing is, this couple you know thinks that acquiring the 5,000 sq. ft. house and taking Christmas pictures in front of it obscures the sad fact that they've mortgaged their future. What Dr. Shill won't say (for fear of upsetting his sponsors) is that corporate America is also to blame. The market driven mentality of his moronic guests is an example of how corporate America has brainwashed people so that they cannot distinguish between an actual need and a mere want.



mccartygirl, I too grew up in a single parent home--I didn't get my first car until grad school (paid for in cash). By the same token, I screwed my credit six ways to Sunday in college--and only in the last five years has it been "good." (God knows what's gonna happen when the student loans hit) It's a damn shame that grown ass folks gotta run around our nation acting like a bunch of damned fools. And, like Shiny Happy Broke Ass Couple, they think that the demigods of pop culture will descend from on high and present them with a check to solve all of their problems. Kinda like the Seinfeld motto: "No hugging, no learning."

The money resolution people were quite scary, but the show was actually interesting. For the first couple, I think that Phil should have pointed out to the guy that child support payments would take a lot out of his pocket, and that is where he is heading if he does not stop his stupid ways. Of course that wife was not perfect, you know that she thinks "Well, if he's getting a $200 shirt, I'm getting $200 worth of stuff, too." This was one time where I wanted Phil to have a celebrity guest star show up. Chris Rock would have given this couple some great advice, I think.

It did not even dawn on me that the second couple were hoping for a handout. I'm betting that they will struggle to keep their over-mortgaged house and newer SUV with the hopes that the husband will eventually earn more money. Cause it's ok to go on national tv and cry over being broke, but it's not ok to downsize to a more affordable home. Of course Phil did not go into the fact that they may not be able to sell their house due to the fact that they owe more than they can sell it for.

Today we are back to the WLC and I will have a pillow handy to throw at the tv if Phil brings out Thomas or Jim to give the newbies inspiration.

Mr.Jean and I have been unfortunately guilty of that a little! We went through a looong period where we had no money, and when he finally got out of grad school and started making decent cash, I think we were just starved for stuff. So he'd go out and get something, and I'd be like, "Well, then."

Fortunately, we cleaned up our act. It just took a little splurging, I guess. The funny thing that people like this couple don't seem to learn, and the one you mentioned, gemmadoll, is that the less often you make these kind of purchases, the more special they are. I wish he'd say this, but I suppose he's not one to talk with outrageous purchases, considering BobbinHeadRobbin's shoe collection.

Don't despair, readers! I actually don't agree with Philsbury Dough Boy on this one, because it's horrible that he makes people feel guilty about wanting stuff. There's no shame in wanting a big house, people just have to be made to understand when they can't have that big house, or don't need it.

It's good to want things. [/Roxy Carmichael]

You can only file for bankruptcy once every seven years. I think Dr. Phil's financial expert Elizabeth Warren once referred to it as "your get out of jail free card." Unfortunately, once someone has filed for bankruptcy, it often becomes incredibly easy to get credit; see, the credit companies know that if you've discharged your obligations recently, you won't be able to do it again for a long time. Eris & Vivian might wind up out on the street or living with relatives, but those credit card companies will keep a-callin'. I feel sorry for those kids. They are going to turn into the spoiled brats Dr. Phil has on his show from time to time, the ones who feel "entitled" to a brand new fancy SUV when they turn 16.

Sigh, I've missed you guys! The holidays are just so treacly and I need the snark to keep me going.

I agree with y'all: Phil is a poor shadow compared to Flylady and Dave Ramsey.

Also, don't you love the fact that the "look back" shows never. NEVER. Have anyone from the FUFs or the three Disaparacidos* from the WLC?? "You're dead to me. Dead!" I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't actually have a few more kids somewhere that just didn't measure up to the McGraw Standard and that have been swept under a carpet somewhere.

*Disaparacidos: probably incorrect spelling for "the disappeared ones".

Word to all of the above posters and their bad selves. Phil, if you want to sit back and lecture us about avarice and gross consumerism (so sweet, you take the time from counting your millions to teach us all about financial responsibility, Comrade) you might want to have the camera people not pan Kitty. Because, you know, Phil? Kitty is really a rather Marie Antointette type babe, and she is the perfect illustration of how Americans view second-rate, hand-me-down items, starter houses and a car one can actually afford. If you had shown her in a Super Cuts do and wearing a Kathie Lee Casual circa 1980 I'm sure the EMT's might have had to revive her.

Remember, poverty, struggling,and saving are noble in retrospect. While you are enduring it, it sucks squirrel sack. People might have the gumption to suck sack once or twice to complete their education or start a business, but the taste remains. If you want to stop the debt numbers from growing, there is no way short of bringing back debtors prison. So just stop the piety Philly Wonka. We're so onto you.

Damn, yesterday's show hit home. Thank god, we're not as bad off as either couple, but I can certainly implement some of Hravard lady's suggestion. I can relate to not wanting to give up the nice cars (I have one, too), but Eris, what an idiot! His smug, derrogatory comments about Walmart, shows his ignorance. I bet he has no idea who Sam Walton is, or how he made his $$, and how ignorant to think labels on the outside of your clothes show taste or luxury. Honey, that shows you're tacky and insecure labelwhore! And what kid of fool plops down $13K for a motorcycle they can't drive, WTF?!

Don't get me started on couple number two's house with new granite counter tops and hardwood floors (we'd like the granite, too, but are waiting until we can afford it). There house looked pretty nice, BTW, I wish we could find a place like that at that price where we live. They must be in some small town, but I digress.

Did the second or first wife work? Ladies if you want to spend, add some income to the household.

Also, I learned a couple of things, namely that student loans should be priority numero uno, and to never get a home equity loan. I think I'll by the Harvard doctor's book.

I don't think the second wife worked and I missed part of the segment on the first couple. The second wife said something to the effect of how she felt guilty for not contributing to the household income which I took to mean she was a stay at home mom.

I honestly got the impression that even if both couples managed to dig themselves out of their current financial mess, that they would not be out of that mess for very long. They both seemed to covet the pretty shiny expensive things more than the idea of being debt free.

If really didn't appear to register with the first husband that losing your home is far worse than having to wear a sweater from Wal-Mart.

Ok, I did not see Thomas in the audience, only Jim, so that wasn't too bad.

I'm imagining a game plan for their new WLC: Alive in 2005:

"Do not have any actual morbidly obese people. As we all remember these folks do not get skinny fast enough for a tv season and in some cases they die. We must avoid having Phil do tributes to anyone with 'Big' as part of their nickname.

Do not have anybody with messy emotional issues that are tied into their weight gain. These people do not get skinny fast enough because crying does not burn enough calories per hour.

Be sure to have another SASSY African American woman, because everyone just loves to watch a SASSY African American woman! Note: Be certain to contact her favorite tv show for a walk on spot.

Pick two nondescript white men and two nondescript white women. To make sure we have people getting skinny enough for our May sweeps episodes, threaten to replace them with members of the studio audience, viewing audience, or Mall of America mall walkers."

Word, Lispunk.

All my old Weight Loss Challenge anger came boiling back. The same ridiculous insistance that although his plan was full of food restrictions (no sugar!, no peanut butter! no chips!) it was absolutely NOT a diet. Because diets don't work. In fact, repeated dieting makes you 70% more likely to have a heart attack. So the WLC is most assuredly not a diet. It's a life style change.

All the old vagaries are back. Don't let yourself get hungry but be sure to only fix dinners from Dr. Phil's nutrition book that require an hour of preparation. Don't make suggestions about what anyone actually should eat for breakfast but be sure and ridicule the woman who has a skim milk latte with whipped cream. (Would whole milk and whipped cream have been a better choice, Phil?) That latte had 400 calories! The man's Pepsi had 150 calories! Everybody scream because even though we all need a daily minimum of 1200 calories to stay healthy we sure wouldn't want to actually eat any of those calories unless they come from JJ's own steamed broccoli recipe but this is not a diet.

I'll bet he doesn't bump anyone from the program eaither --he lied about that last year, too.

Anyone else think Eris was auditioning ? And doing a crappy job of it?

Word to a poster upthread-bring back debtor's prison. Can y'all imagine it, full of people in their designer clothes? It has been my experience that labelhounds are among the most boring people on the planet.

Feeling the Gemmadoll love. I may throw out my Lexapro prescription and just read all her posts...

I was proud of the guy who chose not to have gastric bypass and lost all of that weight- that choice was a bypass in itself- bypassing to the realization that weight loss is a lot of emotional and physical hard work, daily, for some hourly.

Hey, I have a friend who went bankrupt twice. She told me that she was a better credit risk than I was (one of those people who pays off credit card every month, automatic mortgage payment,savings account, etc.etc.) because she could not file again and a bank would know that!

People who do not take responsibility for their finances are interesting. They usually have a sense of entitlement that cannot be explained away. In the end, we all pay for them, don't we.

I was a bit nervous about the money show, especially as I have just this very day finalized a bank loan which my mother co-signed with me for $15,000 and which will involve an interest-free loan from her directly for another 10 grand so I can go to grad school. I am not stupid, I know how to manage my money and this is a professional trainign program in a high-demand field so I am not worried about paying it back, but nontheless it is a significant chunk of change. So imagine my relief to find that this show did not deal with people like me actually trying and sacrificing and taking big scary steps to improve their lives, but rather immature annoying people with poor impulse control. They actually had a guy on there who was worried that his kids would no longer love him if he did not buy them stuff? And another who believed that her self image and that of her children would be irrevocably damaged by failing to wear designer pajamas? WTF?

The weight loss challenge is a whole other boatload of annoying. I am okay with incentives and rewards (many people in my exercise video group pay themselves $1 per workout for example both as motivation and to fund future purchases) but the idea of making it into a contest where people get kicked out just sounds really wrong. Can you imagine being some unhappy person who has struggled with this very emotional issue your whole life, and you finally feel like you have a chance here, and you work really hard, then the Great Phil says not good enough, you failure, you and kicks you to the curb. How would they ever feel like they could succeed after that?

I'm a little grateful that my impending grad school involves moving to New Zealand in two weeks. Maybe they will not have Dr. Phil there. And maybe I would rather my money on blackwater rafting than on a tv and monthly charges.

I can't believe the basis for who will be voted off is strictly in terms of who lost the least amount of weight. Men lose weight so much easier than women, and even if you lose a small amount of weight, your body composition can radically change. That's a whole lotta wrong because:

Kids, this is why we don't drink to excess:You may find yourself on Dr Phil, liquored up but denying it (when did we discover that wonderful vodka invisibility?hey puberty!), dressed out in puce, shaking your Debra Winger coiffure and speaking in grand, nonsensical circles. At one point she claimed she wanted to do something that sounded like,"Lick log."

At that I sat upright suddenly and bounced the cat. Then she started a Marianne Williamson paragraph about going into treatment while others were forced to remain addicted and searching for the light and who is she that Phil should be mindful of her, and dareth she be well whence others are imbibing...Creepy, whacky stuff. Somebody get the girl a cup of joe-- black-- and dose of B.

I worked for credit unions and banks all my life so I usually stay our of the money conversations because I realize I'm a real mean hardass about the whole issue; but I can't take it anymore.

Monica your friend is so full of it I can't believe it. Banks do not want to give people like her credit because, surprise, they want to be paid back. Just because your friend can't file anymore doesn't mean she's going to suddenly get responsible and pay the loan - she knows as well as we do that nobody's going to put her in jail so she'll just default on the new loan and the worst that will happen to her is a car re-possession.

Bankruptcy is nothing more than legalized theft and like shop-lifting we all pay higher prices and higher interest charges to pick-up the tab for these self-indulgent people who sign promissory notes for credit cards, furniture, cars and vacations swearing to pay later and then just...don't. They're no different than the thief who walks out of the store with a diamond bracelet in his pocket. I've heard Phil's money woman encourrage people to file bankruptcy on the grounds that "it's there to help people". Really? Here's a country that doesn't want to fund welfare so poor children can eat but does want to pick up the tab for rich women's designer shoes and SUVs. It's messed up.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?

Today in my personal finance course we talked about this since it's true you can't re-file for bankruptcy for seven (?) years ... maybe a bank won't lend you money but the credit card companies are going to be calling you constantly. Much like they call our dorm room constantly. Because 8 am is a really good time to market to college students. In any case trying to sell a gazillion credit cards to college students AND the recently bankrupt is crappy corporate ethics, but not a real surprise.

I knew I shouldn't have ranted about money. I should have just waited five minutes for Gemmadoll to sooth my savage breast with laughter. I heard that "lick log" thing, too. All today's guests reminded me of myself, back when I was continuously talking about how I was going to quit smoking just as soon as my life got perfect. I totally understood the blond who wanted to give it up but the thought of getting cancer made her too nervous to quit.

Depends on one's POV. I've known a half dozen or so fiscally irresponsible people who've gone into debt blithely, from buying pretty shiny things (not educations), knowing that they could always declare personal bankruptcy down the road. It's no skin off their noses. My blood boils when I think of them, so statements like that one don't seem that exaggerated to me. YMMV of course.

Debtor's prison, yeah. Good idea. Or at least force these deadbeats to do community service - make them wear funny outfits as they pick up trash by the roadside or something. Bring back shame as a motivating factor.

Let us not tangle our own undergarments by reason of Phil's guests. We are not here to praise, only to impale the Bald One and his quarry with the sharp stick of snark.

I usually have the utmost sympathy for the addicted, as I am related to most of them. However, I couldn't fiqure mopsy out and I found it vexing. I understand loading up before you visit the Dr Phil show. I couldn't face that man in person with less than two Black Russians and a can of mace. But someone in production was asleep at the switch. Tivo people, please, what did she really say when we heard "lick log." (Redrum!!)

The smoking woman was tragic, as we all know someone who began smoking in highschool *coughGemmacough* in order to whittle the hips and found it hard to stop once she was older. That tobacco, she's a whore.

Hey, LisaGuest....what a Phooooooooooooony you are! Uh, yeah, sure...like you didn't e-mail Phulofit to get the FREE rehab? So why the hell is it such a difficult on-the-spot decision fer ya? Shameful.

Ever see a bouncer try to help someone find their car after last call?

I heard "lick log" as well- twice! (By me, Dr Phil's on twice- 3pm & 5pm). I would really love to know what she meant by this b/c I'm certain she did, in fact, say "lick log."

Maybe it was a Twop shout out?

Phil, please amend your mantra:You can't solve a money problem with money, but every other problem,most definitely you can!
Seven kids climbing the curtains (some nude) and an overrun barnyard of farm creatures and you give them a table and a trip to Florida? Damn good thing you don't work for Unicef. Victims of famine would get food processors and trips to dude ranches. Phil, you're hurting me.

I'm sad to say that I don't have time to watch Dr. Phil anymore, but I still read up on your comments to see what idiocy I've missed out on.

I do, however, Tivo Sesame Street everyday to watch with my son when I get home from work. Well, yesterday's episode had a sketch with "Dr. Feel": a goofy-looking bald and mustachioed muppet with a Texas accent who spewed cornball sayings. At first I was outraged, thinking my last Phil-less sanctuary (children's television) had been spoiled, succumbing to the man's insane popularity. But as I watched the sketch, I saw that Dr. Feel was beying portrayed an idiot, too! He got a bunch of "diagnoses" wrong, and his lemming audience laughed and applauded his every trite platitude. Made me wonder... do any of you have jobs at the Children's Television Workshop?

I just saw this couple on Montel Williams. THREE shows!?!

I was just coming to post this! Matt & Karen are on freaking Montel!

Full Fledged Famewhorsery!

(edited to correct the "spelling" of a non-existant word)

How, exactly, did Phil help Sally (the slobby Professional Organizer?) Yes, she has the skills to keep the house clean, but that does not mean that she will keep it clean. How did this segment help viewers with the same problem? Should they all write letters and have the good people at Lowes come on over? Would Lowes really want all that stuff back if Phil follows up on his threat to take the stuff back if she isn't perfect from here on out? Will the seven kid family have their table taken away if they miss a meal together?

The seven kid family needed some plausible suggestions like limiting the number of activities each kid can do or reducing the pet count. Telling the parents of seven kids that they should stop having kids is not the most helpful.

Today's show sucked ass. What happened to "Tell it like it Tis" Phil? Throwing prizes to these dysfunctional families will not solve their problems!

The family with 7 kids? They could have bought their own damn table.

That so-called "professional organizer"? She and her husband should have had their asses kicked for being so damn lazy! If you can't do the job yourself, hire a got-damned cleaning service.

I'll give the Father and Daughter a pass, because all he needed was to know that she wanted to spend time with him.

(Star, looking for something to lower her blood pressure.......)