Word to that. It's a matter of one wanting to treat people through therapy (psychologists) versus medication (psychiatrists).

Most psychiatrists now only do meds, no analyses of any kind -- that's been the case for the past 25 years or so as talk therapy became more popular and for many folks, more effective -- so for people wanting to do psychotherapy, a Ph.D. is in order, not M.D. And as has been said, a Ph.D. is no less of a credit than an M.D. - different interests, different talents.

What was FUF 2's shocking secret that they were supposed to reveal today. Is she pregnant?

Yep. She says it's her husband's....

Wow. I can't believe they really have sex.

I can't believe lil' Boden's adoptive parents would want to have anything to do with that ignorant slut, much less invite her to his christening and ask her to be a surrogate mother!

Please, take that little baby and love him and care for him and provide a safe home for him; do NOT let his crazy-ass birth mother anywhere near him. Twenty years from now, when he finds out his mom was on Dr. Phil, he will watch the tapes, and he will kiss you both for rescuing him.

About Michael: could those two assholes have been any more eager to get rid of him? No wonder the kid's messed up. And why do these people keep popping out these brats if they can't even bother to take care of the ones they already have?

FUF2? Infuriating.

OMiMagnificentBastard! This second FUF makes Marty and Erin look like ...... a normal couple.

Good Lord, where do we begin with Chris and Stacy? This is her 3rd husband. She cheated on him numerous times. She even had a baby that did not belong her husband. Her 12-year-old son is terrorizing their 4-year-old son?!?!? And she's pregnant again? Heh.

All I want to know is why is Chris still hanging on? ITA with the other posters in saying that he should take his son and leave this crazy bitch.

I missed the first show, so my outrage is quite fresh.



I can't believe they still have sex. (Unprotected, to boot!) If I was a man and my wife had another man's baby, I'd wear at least 5 condoms before I'd do her again. Good sex must make men extra stupid........

wearing red:

He's spouting soundbites and then sending the guests to other therapists.

Oh, and I agree Ph.Ds have a right to use Dr. as their title; I don't begrudge them that at all.

Damn... I was wrong about the FUF2's secret. No biscuit for me.

I'm sure the church that gave the FUF2 food will be happy to see them worrying about paying the internet bill. Oh, and the Mormons don't mind Stacy having an affair but SHE'D BETTER NOT WORK!!!! Yeah, that makes sense *rolls eyes*

I should probably stop watching both FUFs because I end up saying "Oh for chrissakes" a hundred times every episode. I mean, is it a requirement of the show that the "Dr Phil family" must contain people that are completely ignorant about birth control? First Alexandra saying last week that she's not on any because her mother doesn't believe in it, and now today with Stacy getting pregnant again. Fabulous. See y'all in the maternity ward, both of you.

I mean, what the heck century are we living in? It's not like the Pill and condoms were just invented!

I missed the beginning of the first FUF2 episode. Did Chris know all along that the baby Stacy was carrying was not his? Or did he find out in the delivery room when he looked at Boden?


It must have something to do with being Mormon?

Was Stacy Mormom before she hooked up with Chris? She doesn't seem very Mormon-like.

I thought Michael's leter today was really interesting. He's the kid everyone thinks is the most out of control, and yet he's begging for someone to set some fair, consistently enforced rules for him. I'm guessing that he's acting out at least partly so that someone (his parents preferably) will help him find some order to the chaos going on around him.

The other thing that has struck me about this FUF is that Stacy kind of reminds me of how Marty's mom is described-going from man to man, having babies with a bunch of different ones.

IIRC, they were separated at the time of the conception, so he knew it wasn't his.

Stacy needs someone to smack her (can I do it, please). Even during the show she's making excuses for her actions...wah wah wah, I wanted Chris to step up and find a good job and support the family...I'm resentful...blah blah blah...SHUT IT!

I can't believe they're in so much debt (one of my worst fears btw), and she still doesn't work, and some of that debt was to pay for her school loans...for degrees she's not using! Hiding behind her religion not to work when she's been married three times and cheated on her husband multiple times. Where was God when she was banging all those guys? Apparently, God's only around when its convenient.

And on top of all that, she runs out of the pill...maybe she didn't have the money that month. I hope those 60 bucks went to something worthwhile cuz she'll be paying 200K for the kid she's about to pop out....oh yeah, nevermind, it went to her tanning salon. Well, I suppose that's better than milk for her kids.

Personally, I think she's just trying to replace Boden, which is all kinds of moronic.

She's so frustrating....I can't wait to see more FUF2 eps. :)

I guess they all didn't pray enough for her not to be a whore?

Arrggh this family gets worse and worse. Like many of you I cannot freaking believe she's going to have another kid when she can't control the ones she has one bit! One thing I think she doesn't have (besides a functioning brain and some condoms) is motherly instinct. I'm not even close to being a mother and I would never ever give up on my kid no matter what they did. I'm further puzzled because it is all her freaking fault that Michael is acting out! He's definitely begging for some rules to be set.

She needs to stay far away from Boden, like restraining order far.

Wow. I don't even know what to say about today's episode. I never watch this show, but I just happened to catch a few minutes here and there about the hypocritical "Mormon" babymakin machine, so hopefully someone can fill me in...
First off, wtf?
Second, can someone explain the Mormon wife can't work thing to me? Is a wife not allowed to work under any circumstances? Was she really willing to be homeless in 30 days rather than work? How come it was ok for her to have affairs and kids out of wedlock, but it wasn't ok to work? How strict of a Mormon can she be...did Dr. Phil ask her about that hypocrisy?
Third, can I just get a quick recap about what happened to them at the end - what did they decide to do to get out of debt?
Did anyone lay the smackdown...or was wifey just allowed to revel in her stupidity?

I can't believe that after swearing off of FUF-the-first, I have started watching FUF-the-second. (Oh well, I caved and started watching FUF1 after a couple of weeks vacation, anyway. There is no hope for me.)

Dr. Phil never specifically addressed the issue of The Mother's hypocrisy regarding wanting to obey the rule of not working, and then choosing to sleep around. Nowhere near as directly as I'd like to see it addressed. However, he did bring up that it is not written in stone that the mother can't work--exceptions can be made. She was basically told to stop being a lazy whiner, and get a job.

When she was saying that she just wanted someone to take Michael off her hands for awhile because she couldn't deal with him anymore, I wanted to slap her. Stop having kids if you can't deal with the ones you have! However, while the Happy Hills farm sounds very Teletubbies to me too, I am actually...relieved that Michael is getting a chance to go there. Kid should not have to deal with his parent telling him that she hates him. (And, I was disturbed as a teen, and always kind of wished I'd be sent away to one of these farms for troubled youth, where I'd get to hang out with other disturbed kids all day, and ride horses too! So maybe I'm projecting.)

I think that the mom wanted to send Michael away because that is the easiest way to deal with a problem (see: third child, youngest child), and that irritated the hell out of me, but if Dr. Phil thinks it is the best thing, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, assume he has done his research, and the kid really needs to get out. I don't know why I'm willing to trust DP on this when he has proved so incompetent in so many ways before.

ETA: Did anyone else play with the Dr.Phil Automated Wisdom Generator? "You don't need Pac Man Fever to do jack-squat with yer life." Indeed!

Yes, I was also glad Phil pointed out that her religious convictions should not stop her from working while the family was going into debt. What I was not glad about was that he failed, as Princess Tanella stated, to mention that she never abides by any religious convictions. It is as clear as crystal that she is using that only to avoid working outside the home. (Not that I think this particular woman is working inside the home -- other than on her datebook -- and I mean date as in male company)

I'm a stay-at-home mom with a graduate degree. I left my job when I had my kids and hope to continue to be with them at home while they are small. However, if my husband lost his job, or if we landed in tremendous debt, I would most certainly return to work.

Then again, this chick doesn't think like most of us. I think she continually gets pregnant because it is a distraction to the other problems she creates. Oh, she is just awful, and her emasculated husband is not much better. Not only does he perpetuate her own misconduct by complacently accepting it, he allows his child to remain in an emotionally and physically dangerous household.


And Princess, I also agree that Michael is probably better off at Happy Hill or whatever it's called. He needs an escape from that household for his siblings' safety and for any hope of himself gaining emotional security. If that is the only place he has to turn, it is better than the alternative of staying stagnant in the decay that is his family life.

I, too, was glad in some ways to see Michael get some sort of help. I'm not sure what this farm is like, but at this point, odds are it's better than where he's at. The thing that really bugged me was that the parents (and I use the term lightly, if not sarcastically) could barely wait to get rid of him. I really do understand that children who are out of control can be really frightening to deal with (not so much being afraid of them but being afraid that you're going to do something wrong and make it worse), so I can see being grateful for help, since it can be so hard to find. However, my stab at being non-judgemental being made, I thought they jumped on the Happy Farm Bandwagon faster than Robin on a double dose of Botox.

And I've known so many people who use the sort of reasoning the FUF2 Mom uses -- "Oh, no I can't work -- heavens, that's against my religion, but hey, dude, meet me at the Super 8 at 4." It's sickening.

Phil set them up with a financial counselor to go over their debts, but I don't think there is a solution. They have almost $6k/month in bills, but the husband only brings in about $1,300/month. Their church has been filling in the budget gaps for a year and a half, IIRC.

Asterisk is right. I truly think this woman does not think like the rest of us. Or like anyone without a serious psych problem. Now, I just have a minor in Psych, but I think that she suffers from a Narcissism (I am trying to remember the exact term) complex, or some sort of anti-social disorder. It has been way too long since college!

I do not believe that she truly believes that her actions have been as devastating as they have. I cannot even comprehend a life where you literally have no inner voice telling you, "Stop." She does whatever the fuck she wants to do- lying, multiple infidelity, multiple unplanned pregnancies, abusing her children, gross overspending, refusal to work........ I think that she is emotionally stunted and has the impulse control of a 5 year old- and that she is a sex addict.

Hell, all she has to do is go run someone over with a car and I think she will have all the commandments covered! She is hiding behind her faith, and smug and ignorant enough to think that she is fooling anyone (idiot husband, not withstanding). I wonder how everyone in her community interacts with them now that they have seen their twisted lives on television. Hopefully no more free handouts from the church.

My two cents on the Dr.-title: I don't mind it because to me it isn't a misrepresentation. My issue with Dr. Laura was that in using the moniker "Dr. Laura" on a radio show devoted to "helping" people with personal issues, the implication was that she had a doctorate in some form of psychology, psychiatry, counseling, something. Instead, her doctorate was in physiology. To me, that's bullshit. By contrast, Dr. Phil's doctorate in psychology, which is legit.

(Not that certain doctorates are "better" or more authentic than others -- just that it's field-relevant in this case. I mean, similarly, if there was an in-depth "Botany with Dr. Bob" show on every week that horticultural enthusiasts tuned into, I'd think it was a total bullshit name if his doctorate wasn't in botany or biology but rather psychology.)


Imagine turning on Dr. Phil and seeing your marriage counselor sitting there with this train wreck of a home life. I wonder how many of her clients are ducking her calls.

FUF2 -- I don't know where to start. I'm trying to figure out which of the parents I hate more. He had a strong lead with the whole "oh no, the baby is BLACK" shit, but her manipulative self-absorption has her ahead right now. Did anyone else see the big blinking light of "Poor Victim Me!" with that craptastic "(sniffle) Is there any hope for ME? (sob)" she pulled last week???

Gosh. With parents like this, I can't imagine why Michael is violent.


No. It was sickening. He was thrilled that Michael wasn't going to be around to bother His Precious Real-Blood Magical Wonder Son, and she was thrilled to have one less child to not be a mom to. Nice people.

My personal theory is that Dr. Phil took a good look at these people, figured that they're beyond hope, gave up, and is in the process of getting the kids as far away from these non-parents as humanly possible.

"You gave Bohden up for adoption? Great! Don't go see him! Ever!"
"Michael: head to Texas for a few months. Pack a bag. Maybe pack a few bags. Texas is nice this time of year."
Next week: "Briana: RUN! RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN! And take Chandler with you!"


mr. bell said that, apparently, in her mind, God only gets out of the tub to hit the brothel.

Agree with a poster upthread that this woman is a major narcissist -- and yes, in the psychological definition. It is all about her -- she cannot see beyond her own actions and how they impact others because it's about her getting immediate gratification for her own needs and psychoses. No one else really exists in her world except to feed her needs...and when that doesn't happen, she goes searching elsewhere to get those needs met (thus, all the affairs, having the kid but now sending him off to Happy Hill since he didn't 'perform' pefectly as a child - now, whose fault is that, Mama?, etc.).

This woman and her family makes Marty and Erin look very normal which is frightening beyond belief.


OH. MY. GOD....STOP THE PRESSES NOW. DR. PHIL IS GOING TO PUT ROBIN IN HER OWN TALK SHOW. Yes, hell is freezing over...I just read in the NY Post that, according to "US" magazine, DP is producing a talk show for Robin to host (thus, all the recent 'spotlighting' of her on his show lately).

According to the article, "Robin has been appearing on the show (DP) more and more, an insider tells US, and women really related to her" (yeah, what women? Maybe robots from Mars....). "Phil thinks she could have a show that wouldn't compete with his". Phil hopes to have the show on the air by fall.

Hmmm..."a show that doesn't compete with his" - now, I've read that the real reason Robin is on the set everyday is because she runs Phil like a train - that she rules that set, so I'm wondering if Phil wants some breathing room from his dear wife.

Whatever the reason, I can't see her succeeding at all with a show - and as for women relating to her? Well, I guess if you're one of the over-botoxed, over-tweezed (have you ever noticed how her eyebrows don't grow as far in on the inside corner of her eyes as they should? Weird) brows, perfect-husband/kids/life kind of gal, then yeah.

Just waitin' for Dr. Phil to become a FUF himself and then need to go on national TV for a rescue.

What women relate to Robin? Botox'd fastwalkers? Her show will be canceled.

DrCher, it will be with relished glee to watch Robin's show go down in flames. What is it with folks who think "Hey, I'm a famewhore, I like to talk, I too can host a show"? She'll be down in flames fast.

I can't believe I missed the Alex banging like bunnies without BC show!



Unfortunately, even if you are the parent and you want your sexually active child to be on birth control they will not do it if the child objects. Of course they'll call you first if she ends up trying to get an abortion and why this doesn't apply to vaccinations is beyond me but that's the way it is and it sucks. So does Alex, by the way.

I could not believe how much I hat FUFII. Stacy is a lunatic. Word to everybody who brought up that it's "against their religion" for her to work outside the home but not to have multiple husbands or to spread it for every Harry Dick that comes along while hubby is presumably home with the kids. Stupid whore. Her daughter is so right in calling her a hypocrite. Run Brianna Run and take Kathleen with you.

Speaking of poor Kathleen, it looks like she might not be a virgin anymore. Sure they can't find one more slot at Happy Hill?

I so want to hear from the ex-spouses of FUFII. Stacy has had, what, three marriages and two illegitimate children or do Michael and Briana have the same father and the missing child was from a second marriage or were Michael and Briana from separate marriages and the missing child illegitimate? I'm unclear on this point. I also wanted to hear more about Brodan. Dr. Phil said Brodan's was a closed adoption but that Stacy manipulated her way aound that. I wanted to hear more about that. Brodan is a cutie but the new family needs to know this woman is a psycho and whoever said the adoptive family doesn't need to be inviting her to Christenings but down at the courthouse seeking a restraining order was dead on. Don't these people ever watch Law & Order? Chris looked way more upset over the prospect of Michael's removal. Stacy had that little psycho smile and you could easily tell how happy she was that this "problem" was being taken off her hands. Stupid bitch. Her and Alex should be locked in a cage somewhere and all the puppies shipped off to Happy Hill.

RE: Today's Show

Maybe I should become addicted to drugs, be clean for a few weeks, and get rewarded with a spot on CSI.

Brianna and Michael are from the first marriage (Stacy didn't cheat on him because she was supposedly "too scared" of him). Christian is from the second husband, (he was "too nice" and she couldn't handle that, he's now living with his father. Chandler is Chris's child, Bohden is the "affair" child and supposedly number 6 is Chris's as well.

I, too, would like to hear from husbands number one and two, and have been wondering about Bohden's father - why didn't he get custody? Why can't Michael and Brianna go live with their father? If Stacy used her "adoption counsellor" credentials to go "extra-legal" (what the hell is extra-legal?) shouldn't she be struck off the register? Too many questions about a family I didn't want to watch!

My, my, my... where to begin?

I didn't get to see the entire show yesterday afternoon, as it unfortunately coincides with my daughter being picked up from school, so I didn't even know Stacy had a child that wasn't living with her other than the little boy she gave up for adoption. Both of those kids are much better off when you see the half-assed parenting she's doing with the ones she has at home. She obviously is miserable being a mother and is looking for any way to get rid of her children. Is it really that easy to get out of your responsibilities?
I liked Dr. P busting her on wanting to go to the Christening. I have my faults with Dr. P at times, but he is really good at seeing through people. Of course she wanted to go to the Christening. Why not? Got someone else paying for her ticket and it was gonna get her away from the hell she thinks she's living in.
I am a Christian and I believe that the Lord expects us to be honest, upstanding people. She needs to get a job and get her mind on helping her husband get them out of debt and stop letting her church keep them up. Members of her church undoubtably give money that they may not be able to at times and here she is using it for her own "pleasure fund". Sickening.
Who ever thought that somebody could make Marty and Erin look normal?

Still trying to get Stacy's litter all sorted out.

Briana and Michael, first marriage.

Christian, second marriage.

Chandler, IIRC is Stacy and Chris's only child together.

Boden, the "affair" baby.

Isn't there a "Braden" in there somewhere? I distinctly remember a "Braden" because I thought it was idiotic that she would name two children "Braden" and "Boden".

I wonder what the next pup will be named....Brooden? Balden? Boxen? Basken?


ETA: Okay, I did some poking around at the official website. I find drphil.com to be very hard to navigate, but here's what I gather: Everything above is correct, except the child of the second marriage is named "Braeden," not Christian. Braeden is the one who was sent to live with his Dad. And, if anyone is keeping score, the correct spellings are: Brianne, Braeden, and Bohdan.

WORD, DrCher, just WORD. We'll see if he can get rid of that druggie slur long enough to be an extra or maybe even say a line. What's funny (or maybe crass) is that he'll probably play a dead body. I noticed it was CSI:Miami and not the real one, still very high profile, but heh.

Just to clarify, yes, Mormon women (of which I am one) can work. When possible, it is recommended that the mom raise the kids but there are certainly circumstances where it would be a good idea for the mom work. Especially since they've been on church welfare for 1.5 years. And obviously, she isn't a strict Mormon and is probably facing some serious discipline from the church. Adultery is about the most serious offense in the church, second only to murder. And you nailed it, she's a hypocrite above anything else she claims to be.

Exactly what I was coming here to post, DrCher. BTW, your name always makes me giggle on this forum, because all I can picture is Dr. Phil dressed as Cher.

This show has just become a festival for the deranged, without the self-admittance of Jerry Springer. Drug addicts, pregnant teenagers, a woman that makes Erin look snuggly and cuddly. Dr. Phil isn't helping anyone...he's seeing who he can make a spectacle out of today.

One more thing that bothered me about FUF2 was when they were going over the finances and they talked about how Stacy had 75,000 in student loans even though the college she attended only charges 2000 per semester. When the fianancial advisor asked her about it, Stacy just mumbled something about how it took her a long time to get her degree, then they dropped it. OKay I'm sure it did take her a long time, but I doubt it took her 18 years. I suspect that Stacy went out and spent about 30 grand of that money on.......Stacy. I envision her going on month long vacations in Jamaica (by herself of course.) I guess it doesn't matter what she spent the money on at this point, but still I would be curious to see a full accounting of where it all went.

I can see how she acumulated 75K in school loans. I go to UCLA and my tuition is about 2200 a quarter, so that's 6600 a year (not including summer). But I get 18,000 in loans and grants a year to pay for room and board as well as school. So, lets say she got 18 grand a year....10,000 in loans, 8000 in grants. She would have 75,000 in loans in 7.5 years. I think that's entirely possible for her bach and masters degrees.

However, that being said, I wouldn't put it past her to live off of someone else, husband #1 maybe, and spending that loan money on herself.

This episode of FUF1 didn't bring the funny.

I think I've figured out what's wrong with DP's show (well, what makes it boring to me, anyway).

He used to have different shows every week. We'd never get a repeat of guests unless it was a follow-up show. Now that we have WLC day, FUF1 & 2 days, and Ask Robin day, it's all the same crap over and over again. Since he's featuring the same family every week, we can see how ineffective he is.

You are so right, SnowDog. As much as I love the FUFs, I don't need to see them every week. With today's episode, the whole hour was spent attacking Katherine (with a brief plug of Shill Jr's book). They could of trimmed it down to 15 minutes.

I think the problem, IMO, with the FUF's is that it's become purely voyeuristic - I don't see FUF-1 getting any better - we're just seeing more dirty laundry on parade.

DP has sold out so big, it's not even funny. And now that he's putting Robin in her own talk show? Puh-leeze, save us.

FUF2's Mom is just trash, plain and simple. I am not a big fan of DP much these days, but boy, does he have her number. It will be interesting to see how those two spar in the coming months.

$75K in student loans? The fuck? I wound up with about $9K when my college education was done. Methinks Mommy took out a whole bunch of money so she could live high off the hog while in school. You know, essential stuff like tanning.

ETA: "Loyal Viewer"! Hey, I like the sound of that!

I gotta disagree -- I saw some progress.

OK, Katherine is crash-and-burning exactly the way he's been warning them all along that she would if they kept ignoring her, but was it just me, or did Marty & Erin seem much better than they have been? Both individually and as a couple?

Maybe I'm just seeing it as progress because I didn't hate them all this episode. My heart bleeds for Katherine, and seeing Alex be a supportive big sister gives me warm fuzzies.

(My sister and I in high school had this awful contentious relationship, EXCEPT when anyone else would threaten one of us. Maybe I'm just having a warm fuzzy flashback and projecting it on the FUFs?)

WORD, TexasGirl .

I am also very committed to the LDS church and my religious beliefs, and I have worked full-time for most of my married life because we needed the money. When my son was a baby, my husband worked from home while I worked nights, so our baby could always have a parent there and we could still eat.

She is just using that as a handy excuse to do what she wants. The church does encourage Moms to stay home with their kids, but they encourage the importance of self-reliance even more. She needs to get her butt out there and get a job (or two). Brianna's old enough to watch her little brother (now that Michael is safely away -and good for him).

Just cheating on your husband once is enough to get kicked out of our church if you are unrepentent. Doing it over and over again and still a member? It blows my mind.

My husband is one of the people were I live who is resposible for allocating the church's money to needy families. His response- "How have they been getting help for a year and a half?? That's insane!" The church's welfare is short term, and you have to be doing some serious work to start to support yourself while you are on it to keep it.

I think the mom is a sociopath. Chris needs to take Chandler and Brianna and leave (and make sure he gets custody of the poor baby, too).

FUF2's mom is just frightening. The woman shows no remorse for what she's done to her children and husband. I don't think DP will have any effect on her.

I truly, truly hope Katherine doesn't get pregnant any time soon. She's the only one of the FUF1 I can stand.

complicatedgirl:

More and more people are doing that. Some people are using their student loans to buy cars and other non-school items and then leave with massive amounts of debt along with their degrees.

Wow. This show has gotten even more exploitive than Springer or Maury. Let's put a 13 year old child on a stage in front of a nation of voyeurs and berate, yell and totally humiliate her. I suspect the reason she got into a fight in the first place is that her fucked up family is exposing themselves on TV every week. This is blatant child abuse IMO. Who is making the decision for this poor child? The poor child doesn't want to talk to anyone right now. Dr Phil says to her "great attitude" Great counselling doc. I would love to see Maxine Gray march on stage,take Katherine in her arms and march her off the stage. Okay Maxine isn't real but this kid needs an advocate to protect her from the fame whore adults who are making decisions for her.

God no kiddin' royvac! I find it awfully strange that DP didn't make the connection that the time she started to really go down hill is the exact time she started to appear on TV. Does that not cross his mind at all? And excuse me DOCTOR, but her grades are probably shit because she's always on your damn show and worrying about that! It can't be comfortable for her at school. Not excusing her idiotic behavior, but damn where are the adults??

That's a good point about Katherine. I can't imagine what it would be like going to school at that age when your messed up family is on TV every week. School is hard enough normally at that age.

That was the most disgusting hour of television I have seen in a long time. Was it just me, or was Dr. Shil (WORD to whoever coined that phrase) much, much, much harder on Katherine than he ever was on her sister, Slutzilla?

What the hell was he talking about, 13 year olds don't know anything about love, wouldn't know anything about love, shouldn't know anything about love. I was in love with all sorts of males when I was 13, from the drummer for Men at Work to the boy who sat next to me in class! Perhaps it was puppy love, perhaps it was crush-love, but it was love, make no mistake about it. It was intense and it was real and it consumed me sometimes. Hormones will do that to a person.

As for the assault, I think there is much, much more going on in that situation than we have been told. Katherine just doesn't seem stupid enough to walk up to some boy and wallop him. Slutzilla, yes. And then she'd screw him and fail to use birth control. Katherine, no.

I would have LOVED for Katherine to have turned to Dr. Shil and blame the Alexandra situation for most of her problems. To me, a layperson, that is painfully obvious. The girl is miserable and where does she have to turn? Into a world filled with romance, budding sexuality, and intense emotions...boys.

Oh my god, WORD.

To be honest, Katherine reminds me a lot of me when I was her age (I'm 17 now). I didn't care about my grades, and although my (first) middle school didn't give out letter grades, my interims were the equivalent of Katherine's A-C-C-D-D-F, sans the F. My parents bribed me with money so I'd bother putting the effort into it. As far as the anger goes, like Katherine, I have a very short fuse (but I've worked on it), my parents sent me to therapy (Dr. Phil for Katherine), and when I'm very upset, I don't want to talk about it (as Katherine didn't want to this afternoon). I'm sorry, but if I'm crying and angry, I don't want to talk about something until I've calmed down, because when I get mad, I get mad. I know better that to speak because I'd say something I may later regret. Poor Katherine was on television, I'm sure all of her friends know how completely f'd her family is, and she was probably well aware that not only would all of her friends have the opportunity to see her that upset, but so would the entire fucking nation. So for Dr. Phil to say she had a "great attitude" all sarcastically when Katherine said she didn't want to talk to any of them, I think that's pretty messed up.

Out of all of the FUF1 members, I feel for Katherine the most. Hopefully she can get her grades in line for her and her own personal benefit, avoid that stupid ex-boyfriend, concentrate on getting her life in order and start working on controlling her temper a bit. The stress level in her household is enormous, and it's no wonder her temper is as short as it is.

That? Was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen on television. Watching a 13-year-old sob in front of a live audience for a solid hour while assorted adults alternately yelled at her and talked about her as if she wasn't there was just...really disturbing. The poor kid did not stop shaking the entire time. I think children should not be allowed to participate in these sorts of shows. It's borderline abusive. And those parents? Lately, I have been feeling for Erin, who got a raw deal in life, was terribly damaged by it and has been crying out for help ever since. I even thought she was making some progress. But poor Katherine...

Has anyone been on DP's boards yet to see what the hard-core fans thought of today's debacle?

The Dr. Phil web boards are actually talking some sense for once! They are putting the blame solely on these idiot parents. After watching them and FUF2, I am starting to wish that you needed a permit to be a parent.

FUF2 are scary, FUF1 are just a bunch on jerks (with the exception of Katherine who is simply a product of her environment). I actually agreed with what DP was saying to her today, I am just AMAZED that it is coming from some guy on TV and not her parents- this is all stuff that they need to be saying! And why in the hell are they letting a 13 year old date?!

I think that they are making 0 progress with all of them, and that is the frustrating part. The kids are getting worse, Alex thinks she is Queen Bee now that she has the baby, and Katherine's future is going into the crapper. And it just does not seem like Marty and Erin cares, especially Marty. Can I reiterate how much I hate him, he is slimy. I cannot STILL get over the fact that he told Katherine he liked Alex more. That is hateful and wrong. If I was Erin, I would have left him right then.

I know who these people are. I remember them from when I was in junior high. They were the spoiled, wealthy kids- the kids whose parents let them do anything, the kids who got a brand new car the minute they turned 16. The parents were just interested in status. These are also the kids who were having sex at 13 (and I guarantee you, Katherine is) when I could barely tell you what sex was! These are also the kids who had drug problems by the time they were in high school.

The worst thing about it all is that I don't think Erin and Marty even CARE.

Huge WORD to all who said Dr. Shill needed to shut the hell up about not knowing what love is at 13. Sure, it's not the "love" we know as adults, but dammit if I wasn't over the moon when my boyfriend at 13 told me he loved me. Puppy love? Probably... but it felt good.

Katherine is the only one in that family making any sort of sense, and to put her on the defensive like that is only going to make her bring out that "fuck you" attitude she's had towards her family lately even more. God, let's hope someone DOES adopt the poor kid out NOW.

A million times WORD. And I am not ashamed to say this: the only sex I was having at the age of 13 was with myself.

Really, isn't that how it should be?

Whatever happened to masturbation, anyway? I agree that Katherine is having sex by now. Why? What does she get out of it, other than the approval of some boy? Shouldn't she be learning to delight in her own body, to respect herself enough to know that sex can be pleasurable for her as well as her partner?

Because you know that whatever she is doing, she isn't getting much out of it. How could she? She's 13. She barely knows her own body; the last thing she needs to be doing is getting to know some random boy's.

Sorry to be so upclose and personal, but young teenagers having sex really pisses me off.