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Hexele
So FUF #whatever made me uncomfortable, but the girls actually seemed more self-aware than the majority of his guests. They were well aware that screaming is the main mode of communication in the house; they were just playing along. The mom and son? Not so watchable. The dad? Who? Where?

But the girl cutting herself? Needs. help. Now. That's like a hallmark of BPD, which is NOT treatable with talk therapy and if DP phails that child he should be smacked to high heaven. "When I cut myself, it relieves the stress." My blood ran cold, I tell ya.

But I'm sure he'll give them a couple of his books and Jamie Leigh Curtis' childrens' books and they'll be just phine.
tonkacat
Let's see if I totally understood Dr Shill:

1. A fetish isn't wrong.

2. An Obsession isn't wrong as long as it doesn't interfere with my life and I don't die my cat pink.

Why do I think he just doesn't get it? Did he graduate from Buy Your Own Diploma University? Does he think it's all a joke? He is just plain weird.

He told the man who's wife has an obsession with vacuuming that it's a cheap hobby that keeps her happy!

He told the woman obsessed with purple to share her purple with others and to go back and look at things she bought years ago. She is in danger of becoming a Hoarder.

Doesn't he understand the obsession is their life? That it's all they think, feel and breathe?

I agree, the Fan wasn't obsessed with him. She just wanted a free trip or whatever. A truly obsessed fan would have had her picture at least Photo Shopped with him.

Dr Phill, Get a clue, go back to school, or get off my TV before you kill Tubey!
rml24601
Why do I think he just doesn't get it? Did he graduate from Buy Your Own Diploma University? Does he think it's all a joke? He is just plain weird.


tonkacat, I saw that ep as well and while I was surprised that Shill was rather 'lenient' w/some of the people, I think he was correct in his asessments- the OCD-vacuum lady, for instance, didn't seem bothered by it- nor did her family! They just had this she's crazy but we love her! attitude about it; as if it were some quirk- so it didn't seem to interfere in her life, really. While most of the people on the show seemed odd/bizarre, they didn't seem as if they were in danger of hurting anyone else or themselves, you know?

And the woman who was trying to gain weight- while it's wildly unhealthy, it's no different from the millions of others who overeat, smoke, drink in excess to the point where it hurts their health- masochistic behavior is pretty common, imo.
katymo
This show was amusing but I have just a couple comments about it. That tiger guy was the scariest, most fucked up thing I've ever seen. I'm having nightmares tonight for sure. I'm not even joking, the lips on that guy were frightening and I had to turn away.
tonkacat
rml24601
I think he was correct in his assessments- the OCD-vacuum lady, for instance, didn't seem bothered by it- nor did her family! They just had this she's crazy but we love her! attitude about it; as if it were some quirk- so it didn't seem to interfere in her life, really.


Take from a person that takes medications for OCD, it becomes your life. For example when I moved into my brand new just built house I spent 5 hours cleaning my kitchen. While I like my house to be clean, it doesn't have to be cleaned that well. Without medications I am powerless to stop cleaning. I wasn't always this way. Sometimes I find myself becoming obsessed with other things, but at least on meds it is my choice and not a way of life.

Let's face it, if you wake up at 3 am to vacuum your already vacuumed carpet, you have a problem. Maybe you haven't locked yourself in the bathroom to live or maybe you don't wash your hands 150 times a day, but it is the same problem.
Gemmadoll
I'm sad about the postpartum depression show. Mostly because the McPhil board will be loaded with messages such as,"Children are a blessing!" Which is why too many women with PPD keep their agony to themselves. Maybe it is the last taboo--to say out loud the truth that sometimes motherhood aint meadows and fabric softener. Imagine saying out loud,"My husband beats me!" And the overwhelming response being,"Marriage is a sacred institution!" Poor Marie Osmond got barbecued on the Oprah board because she went into a depression and passed her kid to the nanny for safekeeping and then sped up the PCH. Sometimes you run for your life and it's ok--even if you're trying to hold up half the world.

Mrs USA? The pageant woman with PPD? That marriage is going to circle the drain. He didn't know what she was going through & yet he's a mental health counselor? More like he is proud that he has a pageant-winning-fabulous babe wife and couldn't accept it when she started to buckle.

The remarried couple need to adopt showdogs, guppies or a stretch of highway. Once you have been into the pit of hell that is clinical depression you need to sidestep it at all costs. The marriage (and more importantly the kids) might not make it through another bout with their hide on.

Sometimes Phil gets it right, although he needed to remind viewers that the first guest had typical PPD thoughts & needed support & not judgement. Unless you have been in the belly of the beast you can't comprehend the horror in her mind.
Hexele
"Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then." DP had a serious topic and treated it well. When women get chastised for not breast feeding and berated for going back to work, what should they expect if and when they admit that they want to harm their children? A parade? Other countries treat DDP as what it is: a recognized illness that deserves treatment. In this country it's a freakish stigma that's swept under the rug.

The pageant chick's husband: "Me. Me. Me. Me. Me some more." "Did you miss the lecture on empathy?" Nice shootin', DP.

The best show so far this season.
katymo
The de-vasectomy couple were just plain kidding themselves. Either the woman's first run-ins with PPD wasn't that bad, she forgot what it was like, or she's just plain stupid. 'Cause once you go through that terrifying experience, you don't want to ever again, at the benefit of you and your whole family.

I agree Phil did really well with this show and I was thrilled with the topic as a whole. Depression in general is still pretty much a taboo, people talk about it, but they don't really talk about it, you know? He treated the guests with respect. Bravo Phil. Can you imagine Kitty Surprise's view on PPD? Yikes.
Gemmadoll
I hope in my lifetime that The Mommy Myth finally breathes its last. So women who procreate or don't, stay-at-home or hold down jobs, adopt, foster, wear their babies in slings and nurse til the kid has 6 year molars or lean heavily on Playtex nursers and hired help all get to speak their truths without being skewered by other women. My truth is this: I had one kid. Adore him. Would have gone weak with two and gone barmy with more than that. If I had had multiples I'd have lasted a week--tops--before I passed them out the window like link sausages to whatever sane adult happened by.

I'm fearful the Talk Back To Dr Phil (Within Reason, Now) episode will feature a gaggle of those Perfect Moms pointing fingers at the unfortunate moms with the mental health issues. (There is always the one who says, roughly, that she & hubby spent eighteen years and four hundred thousand dollars to conceive so it wouldn't OCCUR to her to be depressed!) If so, I hope Phil tears a strip off of them.

Word to Hexele & katymo.
Stardancer2001
I'm sad about the postpartum depression show. Mostly because the McPhil board will be loaded with messages such as,"Children are a blessing!" Which is why too many women with PPD keep their agony to themselves. Maybe it is the last taboo--to say out loud the truth that sometimes motherhood aint meadows and fabric softener.


Word Infinity and A- freakin'- Men. Time to kill the Mommy Myth right now. I have my wonderful son and will now give him a little brother or sister at age 7. Yes, it took me that long to get over the relative trauma of first-time motherhood! {;"D

If the women in my life had told me the truth, I might have handled my son's first year of life much better! Thank goodness I didn't have PPD on top of my total inexperience with a baby.

Mr. Star (who wasn't always understanding of my early freakouts) turned from the computer to comment on Mrs. USA's husband.

Mr. Star: What a putz.
borokat
I was really looking forward to this show. I always think of Andrea Yates when I hear of PPD in the news. OT: I always thought that her husband just smelled like a major asshole in everything I ever read on them. He, like these husbands, just turned a blind eye. Or hell, one of them decided to hit the road! Thankfully Mr. B. didn't when I spazzed out after haveing LilB. I never spiraled down too deep I could not pull myself out. But I have had (and still do) my moments.

I have to admit, though, the first woman scared me. I am glad that she is getting help, I don't blame her one iota, but is anyone looking after her baby? She is screaming for help- someone please help her take care of that child. She seemed like she is at that breaking point, and I don't think any of those strategies DP mentioned are really going to alleviate it. I think she needs meds and FAST. I would just hate for anything to happen to the baby.
Gemmadoll
Absolutely the first woman should not be left alone with her baby. The thoughts and visions she's describing are the same kind Andrea Yates was tortured by. And yes, Rusty Yates was the biggest idiot who ever sired young. Now that he's divorcing Andrea I assume he's ripe to ruin some other young woman's life.
masked_spangler
I remember a cse here a few years back of a young professional doctor who secretly had been trating herself for post-partum depression---apparently unsucessfully because she jumped in front of a subway while carrying the several months old baby in her arms and both died. Everyone was shocked and her family had no idea. The media kept going on about how she was a doctor, a professional and not the kind of person anyone would suspect of mental problems. It really is the last taboo.
Hexele
There is always the one who says, roughly, that she & hubby spent eighteen years and four hundred thousand dollars to conceive so it wouldn't OCCUR to her to be depressed!


Yeah. Like it's a choice the mom made. Hmm...I've got a lovely home, a wonderful husband and a beautiful baby...what's missing? Oh yes, depression bordering on psychosis! I'll get right on that.

I'm with you folks: The Mommy Myth must die.
Morning Angel
I remember a cse here a few years back of a young professional doctor who secretly had been trating herself for post-partum depression---apparently unsucessfully because she jumped in front of a subway while carrying the several months old baby in her arms and both died. Everyone was shocked and her family had no idea. The media kept going on about how she was a doctor, a professional and not the kind of person anyone would suspect of mental problems. It really is the last taboo.


I remember that case too. If I remember correctly, they found diaries or some kind of writing belonging to her, and couldn't believe her frame of mind. As someone who works with depressed individuals, I can tell you that most people become very good at hiding the pain and the torment.

I think postpartum depression is such a taboo because people act as if you're not woman enough to be a mother if it sends you in a depression. So ridiculous. Then again, mental health issues are generally perceived as people not trying hard enough to pull themselves together.
Gemmadoll
Maybe Dr Phil will do more shows like this and turn loose his fat fetishism.

More than twenty years ago Donahue did a show like this only it was exposing for the first time that not only birth but weaning from the breast could cause psychosis in some women. (One was an RN, mom of several, normal as the day is long. Unfortunately she stopped nursing her firstborn & started hearing voices. Her baby was Satan, her husband Christ. She's kill the baby & her husband would resurrect him. Common psychosis).

Anyway, Donahue was always running with his mic to the audience for their reactions. One woman said,"As a mother I'm APPALLED at what you did!" Donahue quickly said,"SHE'S appalled at what she did. Please don't miss the point here." Another said,"I nursed all four of my children! This might convince women not to nurse & that would be terrible!" So Donahue intoned,"So then let's not talk about this?"

Twenty some years and the elephant still sits in the living room.

About today's show, I thought it odd that Robin admitted soaping BBJay's mouth for "sassing." Phil said,"I wasn't home that day!" as he tossed Robin under the bus. I bet you a faux nanner pie she was both a screecher and a spanker. She's way too coiled up. Bet she did the hot sauce thing too but would never admit that one after pieces of Lisa Welchel were left sticking to parent message boards. BBJay seems like a chip off of both old blocks, so he probably tried her patience quite a bit. (Plus Daddy was off gettin famous while Momma Kitty was stuck at home getting buzzed off Nutrasweet. Blow up waiting to happen).
Tarheel
I've known that I didn't want to have kids for a looong time, and my mother has always supported that. My grandmother busts out the "Aren't you going to give your mother some grandchildren?!?" bit once in awhile, and my mother shuts her right down. As a woman who has been dumped many a time because of my wish to be an Evil!Selfish!Childless!Woman!, I'd like to add that it's especially difficult to find men who haven't bought into the Mommy Myth!

Incidentally, I'm an only child, because much like Gemmadoll, my mother decided one was more than enough for her. Then you get to deal with the Only Child Myth, which is a whole 'nother topic!
Kat20
I hope that the de-vasectomy couple does not have more children. I cannot believe how stupid and in denial the wife was; lady, you couldn't handle the first two, why for the life of you would you have more?

I'm not trying to be inconsiderate here, but some people are not meant to have children and are not cut out to handle children emotionally/mentally. If more people got their heads out of their asses and realized this, we would not have unwanted and unloved children. In fact, depression usually results from something that happened while young and the signs were ignored. It's obvious Andrea Yates has a mental disorder that went undiagnosed.

People need to stop ignoring the signs of these disorders and start doing some work and research to come to a solution--yes, it is not easy, but you can't just throw in the towel when life gets difficult. Quitters never win and winners never quit! (You don't see the Red Sox quitting, LOL!)

Tarheel, good for you for realizing that children are not in the cards for you. If your mom loves kids, maybe she could be a babysitter or nanny.
lovelinus
Can I also ask what was up with that woman being sooooo averse to the idea of adopting an Asian baby (if she wanted another child)? Why do people still look at adoption like it makes you (and the child) like a second-class citizen? Being a mother is about loving and raising a child, not about passing it out your vagina. Maybe I can't understand because, like Tarheel I don't want kids either. Hey Tarheel, maybe we should start a club.
Tarheel
Can I also ask what was up with that woman being sooooo averse to the idea of adopting an Asian baby (if she wanted another child)? Why do people still look at adoption like it makes you (and the child) like a second-class citizen?
Don't even get me started on that! I'm not the type to write letters to the editor and such, but I once fired off a huge rant to the Oprah show after watching an hour of weepy infertile women go on and on about not being able to have their own biological children without one single mention of adoption in the entire show. I have sympathy for the emotional difficulties a couple dealing with infertility would face, but at some point after years and years of trying you've gotta cut your losses and move on if you can't have a biological child. Those last resort, second-class citizen attitudes toward adoption make me so angry. The excuse I hear a lot of the time is “it’s so difficult to adopt!” Oh? and it’s an easy stroll down Main St. to give birth and raise your own biological kid? Maybe you do have to go through a lot of legal and bureaucratic process to adopt, but last time I checked, you have to go through nine months of pregnancy before you have a child, too. If I ever did change my mind about kids (not likely!) I would adopt instead of having a kid of my own, no question about it.

Hey Tarheel, maybe we should start a club.
Heh! or one of those online dating meetup things: Evil-Selfish-Women-Who-Will-Not-Bear-Your-Children.com
percolata
You TWoPer women are absolutely fabulous, what a great two pages about this important topic. We all need to support each other in this, even without PPD, many new mothers have sleep deprived days when they could hurt their baby. We were never meant to be so isolated with our children.
Shout it to the rooftops - It is competely okay to go to your neighbor and say, "I'm losing it today, please watch my baby while I get away for awhile."
SiameseCatLady
Can I also ask what was up with that woman being sooooo averse to the idea of adopting an Asian baby (if she wanted another child)? Why do people still look at adoption like it makes you (and the child) like a second-class citizen? Being a mother is about loving and raising a child, not about passing it out your vagina. Maybe I can't understand because, like Tarheel I don't want kids either. Hey Tarheel, maybe we should start a club.

Tarheel and Lovelinus - Can I join the club too? I don't know if it's cause my family isn't overly close and there are some "aunts" and "uncles" who aren't really aunts and uncles that I was so much closer to growing up than my blood-related aunts and uncles, but this whole attitude about having to birth your own baby when there are plenty of children out there available for adoption continues to baffle me. If it's so hard to adopt, and you can't pass the cursory review of a social worker, maybe you don't need to have a child in your life. My best friend and her hubby adopted and their little girl has brown eyes like my friend, a nose that looks a lot like the hubby's and a sense of humor as wacky as theirs. Now, what would be better about a child they actually birthed?! Oh, wait, I know, my friend could run the risk of crippling post-partum depression - fun for the whole family!
loudfan
I am shocked, shocked, that no one has mentioned Wednesday's show on judgmental people. Personally, I am not judgmental about Bree Walker's disfigurement or her decision to have children despite the 50% chance that they could inherit it. I am, however, fully prepared to sit in judgment and state that was the worst freakin' plastic surgery I have ever seen. Her lips were huuuuge -- I couldn't take my eyes off them! I hope Robin took her aside after the show for a heart-to-heart. Honestly, Robin looks as beautiful as Halle Berry or Isabella Rossellini compared to Bree.
katymo
Total word, loudfan!! In the bumper before I ever saw why she was on the show, I assumed it was because of her horrendous plastic surgery. Then to find out she has the hand thing was like...oh. What a complete nightmare! Step away from the scalpel, lady.

I thought her kids had a really great attitude towards it all. They easily could've been bitter about it and I think that is a credit to Bree. I think she made the right decision about having them. It's her decision, and nobody else's business.

Today's show was great I thought, it was kind of old school DP, he was giving it to those parents good. Not sure if it will help them, but I like the assertiveness! The first boy absolutely needed help and I hope he gets it.
KimberleeJean
Her lips were huuuuge -- I couldn't take my eyes off them!


Word.

They certainly distracted from her hands (ducks).
I loved the surfing Rabbi, I wish they had kept him on.
ShallaHB
Had to add to the PPD show...

...Dr. Phil *may* have handled it acceptably, but the one thing I never heard him say was that there are actually THREE stages of PPD:

1.) The Baby Blues (almost everyone will get this at some point)
2.) Post-Partum Depression (can't remember the percentages, but it is somewhat common)
3.) Post-Partum Psychosis (quite rare, but important to know the difference)

When you have visions about hurting your child, it's Post-Partem PSYCHOSIS. There are lots of women who have horrible bouts with PPD, but who never have any visions of hurting their children. They are still bad off and need help (I, myself, had PRE-partem depression with my first), but PPP is SERIOUS but luckily doesn't happen that often.

I was treated by a counselor in one of the leading research Post-partem groups in the world. Thank goodness it was nipped in the bud early and I had plenty of coping skills in place with the second child and never had an issue with it the second time around.

I just hate that he's giving half-information to the public. But why should I really be surprised?
Erish
Totally agree about Ms Walker's Lips of Doom. I couldn't quite get into the story because her face was freaking me out so much. Shame, coz in some of the older pictures they showed, she actually looked quite pretty.

Reminded me of the british actress Leslie Ash who had a similar thing with collagen lip implants a year or two back.
SiameseCatLady
Totally agree about Ms Walker's Lips of Doom. I couldn't quite get into the story because her face was freaking me out so much. Shame, coz in some of the older pictures they showed, she actually looked quite pretty.

I thought she looked a lot like Loni Anderson post-WKRP. I agree she should have stepped away from the collagen. She was an attractive young woman and I'm sure she still would be if her lips weren't bigger than he whole head!
Miss Feather
I saw part of the Bree's show but the sound was very low in the office. My question is why she didn't (not sure if it was mentioned) have surgery on her hands since obvioulsy she has no problem with plastic surgery.
rml24601
Why do people still look at adoption like it makes you (and the child) like a second-class citizen? Being a mother is about loving and raising a child, not about passing it out your vagina.


This topic is very interesting to me; from an evolutionary perspective, not being able to pass on your genes is devestating; adopting is fine but it can never take the place of having your own child that shares your genes.
babygirlchickie
If the women in my life had told me the truth, I might have handled my son's first year of life much better!


I have to agree with you here, Stardancer2001. In fact, I am on a personal crusade to dismantle the "sweet music and starry skies" idealism that is rampant among my friends who are planning to have children. Much better to know the (sometimes) harsh realities of parenthood upfront. My friends know I love my kids, but they also hear me complain and see me struggle through it on a daily basis. It's awful to be hit later with the old reality brick and be left wondering what kind of horrible mother you are to not actually be loving the experience 24/7.

I appreciate Dr. Phil's handling of the more serious topic of PPP, and I also come away from it wishing that women were more supportive of each other in general.
masked_spangler
On a lighter note...Wilson Phillips? The hell? When did Dr. Phil join the Oprah school of "a celebrity for every problem" anyway? I mean, I am one of the few people who still has Wilson Phillips first cd (and am listening to it right now in honour of their show appearance, shut up, they have nice harmonies) but still, it seemed a little gimicky. I would have liked to have seen him let Carnie directly address the woman who said she had the surgery after seeing Carnie in the media.

Also---Chynna looks awesome, I'll give her that, but I am not sure her voice has aged well. And it sounds assy without the excess harmonies backing her up like they do on the cd. Also, I looked her up (shut up, I am a geek) and she is married to a Baldwin brother? Hee! Not sure why that so amuses me, but hee!
Peanutbuttercup
I am not judgmental about Bree Walker's disfigurement or her decision to have children despite the 50% chance that they could inherit it. I am, however, fully prepared to sit in judgment and state that was the worst freakin' plastic surgery I have ever seen.


Oh my god, my god that was frightening. I didn't recognize her (and Bree Walker was the regular anchor on our local news when I was in high school). I really thought she was the victim of some terrible accident: "I was pushed into a vat of corrosive acid face-first. This (pointing to face) was the best doctors could do in making me look remotely human again. But people still stare at me because I look like a freak!"
It wasn't just her lips. Her whole face was wrong.
I have to say, I was appalled that she could sit there and say she didn't know if she would choose to have children if she had known the bones in their hands and feet would be fused. That's terrible! That's like saying that anyone with the mildest of disabilities doesn't deserve to live. I used to think she was okay, but now I pretty much hate her.

ETA: That guy who admitted to beating his dog with a broom handle needs to be in jail. Animal cruelty is not okay.
Kat20
I completely agree that adoption can never take the place of having a biological child and passing on your traits and genes. Also, there is always the issue with the birth mother and the child wanting to find her; personally, I think one needs to accept that she gave you up because she didn't want you and move on; this is probably why more people are choosing to adopt from other countries since there is no chance of the birth mother ever coming back.

I think it's great that there are people who want to adopt and take in foster kids, but it's not for me.

On gastric bypass surgery: I think he should have let Carnie speak more, especially to the woman having a difficult time with her diet. Also, what happened to the value of old-fashioned hard work in order to lose weight? More and more people are simply throwing in the towel and giving up when something becomes too hard, i.e., losing weight, exercise, a job, breastfeeding, etc. Quitters never win and winners never quit. You'll never be successful or amount to much if you just give up.
katymo
Carnie is pretty annoying, but I do think she had a lot to add to the show because she had problems sticking to her diet like you said. Some people just plain love the taste of food so much that its not reasonable for them to stop. I always hate it when DP says there's no such thing as will power. Of course there is! Things are yummy. Things that are yummy bring us pleasure. Pleasure equals good. Fatty things make people fatties. Sometimes it's not always emotional.

I think some people believe they are too busy to keep up with an exercise schedule in addition to their job and other obligations when in reality they're not. Exercise and diet requires effort and lots of people are just lazy and it doesn't mean that much to them, not a fair trade off for their time. I did it the old fashioned way and that makes me all the more motivated not to go back, because I put forth so much effort to get the weight off. It would seem like an extreme waste of time now.
Tarheel
My point, and I think lovelinus' as well, was that adoption isn't even discussed or brought up as an option on many of these shows about fertility issues. That fact is not lost on me. Whether you choose it or not, it is an option, and it should be discussed.

from an evolutionary perspective, not being able to pass on your genes is devestating
The "not being able" part is of this is key in that it implies someone has a desire to pass on the genes. What about those of us who choose not to pass on our genes? My genes aren't going anywhere, and I'm not devestated. I guess we are just "shunned by the pack." ;)
rml24601
What about those of us who choose not to pass on our genes? My genes aren't going anywhere


Heh good point Tarheel. Theories in evolutionary psychology state that while an individual may "choose" not to reproduce (i.e. gays, celibacy, birth control), there are other ways of ensuring one's genes survive- i.e. providing for the rest of one's family, which also share your genes!

I agree, katymo, Carnie Wilson can be obnoxious, but it was kinda cool to see her on the show, admitting that even after WLS things aren't perfect. Seeing that episode today really hit home since in the past year I've lost nearly 70lbs but have slowly gained a few back- much to my dismay!
Tarheel
On a lighter note, one election year back when I was in college we carved a Jesse Helms jack o' lantern for Halloween (because he's scary as hell!) Maybe I should carve Phil and Kitty jack o' lanterns this year. They're just as scary, and when Halloween is over I can very cathartically smash the hell out of them...and make a non-faux pumpkin pie full of sugar! and fat! ;)
MyraA
Peanutbuttercup, I completely agree with you. That guy that hit his dog in the head with the broomstick (and then 3 weeks later the dog died of a head injury according to the son) was scary. People who are cruel to animals infuriate me. I cannot believe that Shill had him on the show. The show was creepy. Shill never clarified why the dog died. Does Shill need to have these sicko's on the show?
Kat20
It is possible that the producers asked the lady about adoption and she said it wasn't for her, so Dr.Phil did not want to waste time bringing it up. Why waste time only to have her repeat, "As I told your producers, it is not for me."? You either have it in your heart to adopt or you don't. If God means for you to have children, you will get pregnant without artificial means.
Tarheel
It is possible that the producers asked the lady about adoption and she said it wasn't for her, so Dr.Phil did not want to waste time bringing it up. Why waste time only to have her repeat, "As I told your producers, it is not for me."? You either have it in your heart to adopt or you don't. If God means for you to have children, you will get pregnant without artificial means.
I respectfully disagree with almost every single word of that, save for "You either have it in your heart to adopt or you don't." That I understand.
However, the person is a guest on a talk show. "As I told the producers, it's not for me" is a cop out and an avoidance of discussion. Why? Why isn't it for you? is the very next question. Maybe the answer is birth mother concerns. Maybe it's simply I don't have the heart for it, or I can't handle it. My point is, if you go onto a talk show about infertility, you should expect to discuss and answer questions about other options including adoption, invitro, surrogate, etc., or all of the above. If I were to go on a show about Evil!Shelfish!Childless! women, I'd expect to answer some tough questions about my Evil!Selfish!Childlessness.
(By the way, Phil did make the woman talk about it. The show I was taking issue with was actually a poorly done Oprah segment about late in life infertility that I saw a few years ago.)
I'm not going to address the intentions of God part, because that will take us so far off topic we're bound to get a smackdown. I've said all I'm going to say. Moving on...
McDermott
To Peanutbuttercup and MyraA,
I am also still reeling from the animal abuse situation that was basically overlooked. Did anyone else notice that guy staring down all of the time? He was creepy and I think that he needs professional help. The next thing you know he will hit the boy in the head with the same broom that took that poor dog's life.
Animal abuse is not acceptable, he should have to pay a fine or something. What a spook!!!


Did anyone notice that with the gastric bypass talk Dr Phil said that you have to change your habits, etc.???

Why don't people do that before they risk their life with this surgery??

I don't think the surgery is going to change their habits. How did they get so big in the first place? Bad habits.

I think Phil was more into the Wilson Philip girls singing instead of (once again) the people with the real problems.

Phil has officially gone Hollywood.
KimberleeJean
the animal abuse situation


One thing many abusers do is use an animal abuse proxy. They terrorize a family by abusing a beloved pet.

Not only is animal abuse terrible in its own right, for the animal's sake (and a felony in NY), but is a way to abuse members of your family without having to actually touch them.

Killing a family pet also further isolates already isolated people.

That father was one of the most frightening people I have seen in a long, long while.
aszxas
Sweeps month is coming so you can bet that the shows will get more outrages. I'm also sure that we will see FUF1 and 2 in the coming weeks. I thought about creating a drinking game that when DP mentions his book Family first that you have to down a shot but the last time I taped the show he mentioned it 7 times. Seven shots in an hour would hammer me. The show seems to becoming an hour long commercial. Does anybody want to bet that by next fall DP or somebody in his family has written a book and that is what most of next years shows will be about.
masked_spangler
Ah yes, next year's sure to be blockbuster, a follow-up to his "Self Matters" book entitled "Selflessness Matters" aka 'Single people, what's wrong with you losers?' I just checked the DP website and 4 of 5 shows next week are about parenting. I mean, parenting is important and all just that there used to be a better mix of topics on this show.
Hexele
But that wouldn't promote his book very well, now would it? snerk.

DP is coming to my town, and my inlaws all want to go and see it. They've offered me tickets. I just don't think I can stomach a Phil Phest and an election year in a swing state at one time.
Gemmadoll
Phil? Please don't say "cat fight." Please? See, the term is applied to women, not men, to indicate that while men fight in manly ways about righteous things (women, politics, sports, disrespect, religion) women verbally scratch and claw only because both parties are women and therefore petty, vicious and nasty. Their fights are about who is the prettier princess or who has the bigger hoots or the most friends. See how ridiculous that sounds? Thank you. Please get your foot off of our necks as we stride toward equality.

Also, Phil? You give expensive Caribbean trips to people who are responsible for nothing except cheating on their mates, messing up their kids and acting like big furry buttholes on the tv. Yet, a young woman who has rescued two sibs from foster care gets a paltry six month supply of groceries and...what?...Thanksgiving Eve dinner at the Rainbow Room? Know what that was like? Being at your sorority's Secret Santa party and everyone gets day spa certificates and gorgeous leather accessories and such and when it is your turn you get a big honking Jean Nate gift set and a couple lottery tickets.

You suck, Phil. Truly. This time I felt air move in the Deep South where I live. Awful. Just awful.
brillia79
Ack! Hearing Wilson Phillips sing so poorly makes me remember why I avoided their music like the plague in middle school.
DeepRed
Yet, a young woman who has rescued two sibs from foster care gets a paltry six month supply of groceries and...


That's because in Shill's world, Family Matters. But he defines "family" as a group in which the male patriarch reigns, no matter how flawed or stupid or messed up the guy is. Hence all the lovely "family" trips to the Caribbean. That young woman who rescued her sibs? Nice going, dear, here's a pat on the head and some groceries. And a Victoria's Secret goodie basket to a 20-y.o. girl who's trying to support both herself and her mom, and who could use some real, you know, cash money. No weeks at Sandals for these folks!
Hexele
Bleh. The battling custody parents all gave me the heebies. And the new wifette sitting in the audience chiming in? Shut up, bitch, you don't have much of a dog in this fight. Why do I get the feeling that you stoke this fire every chance you get?

Wife had her ducks in a row (this was the cop wife, first story wife was cree-pee) but DP was right to smack them down. If both go in seeking sole custody, the court isn't going to go "halfway" and give joint custody. They're going to award one or the other.

Guys, guys guys.... if these nice normal people go to Sandals, where's the titillating film? That only happens when you send La Skank, then you get the juicy stuff. This crew would only go and . you know.... relax and bond and shit.
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