Wow, John's att'y is really skirting the grouds of ethical behavior in her comments about Amy. Zealous representation is one thing, but you can't badmouth the other side like that before the trial. John can say all he wants, but his attorney should reserve her comments for the courtroom and stick to the facts at hand. I mean, I cannot believe that the lawyers have advised their clients to agree to let the private correspondence between they be read on national televisions. Dude and Dudette, that stuff is confidential for a reason!

In fact, I am a little disturbed all together with the attorneys being so visible in this Anatomy of a Divorce (Lobotomy of a Divorce? Autopsy of a Divorce???). No wonder we have such a bad name.

Anywho, I am just as irritated with John as Amy. At least Amy is up front about her anger, John's passive agressive "I'm such a good guy" makes me crazy, and Dr.Bitter-Phil-to-Swallow has never once called him on it. As you mentioned, DR.AL, I think Dr.Phillo-Dough does often expect women to change more and be more accepting of men's behavior than the other way around. Unfortunately, any time a woman comes on to call him on it, he already has tapes cherry-picked to show how wrong they are.

People who come to the Debate Dr.Filtch-your-Money Show should get to rifle through the tapes. He's always like, "Where's your evidence?" and of course, its locked up in one of your offices, jackass!

Edited 'cause I still have so much vitrol to give.

masked_spangler wrote:
Me! Me! Me! (Jumping in air, hand raised.) Actually, I think we'd all be better off if they both just shut up.

KimberleeJean wrote:
Hee! Although I know you are meaning it in the fatty sense, I keep thinking, "Layers." Phillo dough has all those layers. Then I think of Dr. Phil and think, "Not." His one layer is what makes him look the best. Oh, and, what makes him the most money.

Don't worry, borokat, that kid will come out when it's ready. And they remain on their own schedule when they come out, too, which is most often the direct opposite of your own. "Wanna sleep, mom? I'd rather take this opportunity to scream." or "Want to feed me, mom? I'd rather sleep right now." Enjoy the in utero part while it lasts - they are easier to take care of in there (and they don't talk back!)

You know, I'm becoming convinced of this, too and I was a real hard sell, because, after years of the Oprah/Ricki/ Donahue/Sally attitude of woman-always-good, man-always-bad, I had really enjoyed watching Phil make the women own up to their part in these train wrecks. But yeah. I can still hear him asking nine month pregnant, Stacey if it was true that she "just wasn't going to get a job?" in that snippy way. I thought she was already doing a job; just ask borokat.

I had alot to say about this stupid divorce couple but all that went out the window after listening to Dr. Phil talk. Where the hell did he learn english?

“we have to focus on the children, so they don’t be….”

“this have positives…”

OY! I couldn't even hear the rest of the sentences after those speaking errors jumped up and punched me.
Does he do this often? How the hell can we take him seriously when he sounds like dumb Donald from the Cosby Kids.

Horrid couple, may they both burn in hell along with their lawyers.

I can't watch John and Amy. I just can't, knowing there are children involved. Given a preference between the two of them, I'd take Amy, not because we share a gender, but rather a confrontational style. With me, as with her, the anger is often quick and burns white hot, but it's just that: anger. And no one is in any doubt as to what I am angry about.

John, on the other hand, is just a total snake in the grass, and his choice of attorney verifies this. His photograph should accompany the entry for "passive-aggression" in the DSM-IV. Using your own children as a means of getting back at their mother? And one of the children is a boy? A boy needs to respect his mother if he is ever to easily begin and maintain relationships with women when he is an adult. Leave it to Fucked-Up John to want his own son to emulate his own sad, destructive, malicious behavior.

What state is John's attorney from? I wonder if the Bar Association from that state is taking an interest in this series?

Mandatory reading for ALL divorcing couples: Until the Twelfth of Never, by Bella Stumbo. It is the definitive book about what was perhaps the dirtiest divorce in U.S. history, that of Dan and Betty Broderick. Both of them behaved precisely the way John and Amy do now: it's almost as if they studied Dan and Betty's behavior. Of course, Dan now lies in a grave next to his mistress-turned-second wife, and Betty sits in jail, and the four Broderick kids (now adults) are basically without parents. And for what? Because two grown adults couldn't put aside their petty differences for the sake of their children? Because the urge to get revenge on each other was so strong, they didn't take the needs of their kids into account, didn't contemplate how their actions were affecting their kids' little hearts?

Someone. Please. Hold. Me.
This couple has scared the livin' bat-crap out of me!!
Not to mention we've got FUF2 waiting in the wings to finish me off tomorrow.
It's a shame they didn't include FUF1's finale this week so we could have a complete 5 days of bizarre-o, alternative universe beings invading our living rooms.

And what the hell was all that at the beginning with Amy wanting to hold DrP's hand? That freaked him out and obviously questioned his masculinity (at least in his mind). He has such disdain for Amy and Stacy and Marty that it comes thru too much in his "counseling" (uh-humm). Personally, I don't think he needed to humiliate her in front of everyone over the hand suggestion. Granted, she and John pretty much covered that territory on their own.
I'm thinking they should have started the season with these knuckleheads and just show the series to the FUF parents... case closed.

And where were all the fabulous prizes??!! No vacations, room makeovers, gift-baskets... nothing! Not even Tupperware or frequent flyer miles to make sure everyone got an equal amount? Where's the love? uuuggghhhh....

Ok, what's up with the promos for FUF2? What do they mean, Chris "finally" breaks down? That man's cried every damned episode!!!!

Are you on another message board, MyraA? I've read that post elsewhere.

Poor borokat. :-(

Okay, help me. Honest to God, what was the point of all this? Were we supposed to learn something about divorce? What would be the point, when every state is different and there is also the "Guam Divorce" that anyone can buy?

"Anatomy of a Divorce" my aunt Fanny. "Exploiting Two Vindictive Petty Childish Horrible Awful People for Television", and DP didn't even come off looking good on this one, even in his own mind.



Woorrddd. Considering how much he heaps on everyone else, a little Tupperware would have been a pittance, and would have gone a long way to inject some much needed humor in there.

OT: borokat, Mr. Pissy was born 5 weeks late at 11 lbs 9 oz. Course that would never happen nowadays; God bless the woman who invented pitocin, I say! We're crossing our fingers for you.

Back to the topic- have these two never heard of Vegas? For god's sake, get it done and get it done quickly, with no waiting periods or prolonged filing time. Split everything 50/50, incl. the proceeds from the house and the damn tupperware, then SHUT THE HELL UP! Oh, and give the kids up for adoption. Maybe one of those pro-lifers picketing at the abortion clinic will be willing to put their money where their mouth is and adopt a kid from incompetant parents.

One of the miniFangs was born 3 days late weighing in at 11 lbs. 4 oz. Go figure, of the three he's the only one I had naturally ... even the one after I was demanding the epidural.

I caught something on the radio this morning about a weight loss show where the contestants live in a house together, see who can lose the most weight w/o plastic surgery and win fabulous prizes. I thought, "didn't Dr. Phil already do that? Apparantly it's going to be on NBC and it'll be called "The Biggest Loser".

Indeed, though I'm thinking exploitation is all these two deserve. John's an A#1 sneaky rat-bastard and the sound of Amy's voice could curdle milk. Both attorneys/enablers are walking examples of why people make dead lawyer jokes. What a cesspool of bad TV.

I thought this was so horrifying, Amy obviously knows what's up with Phil favoring John (he'll almost always open with criticizing her then he'll be all like, "You're not off the hook, either, Buddy") but I was, grudgingly, impressed by her response:
(paraphrase)

Amy: Hold my hand, Dr. Philter-feeder!
Dr.P: Is this how you control people?
Amy: Is not doing it how you control people?

I loved that, someone needs to call him on his BS when he doesn't have a convenient video tape qued up. He was obviously flummoxed (Ha! Dr. Philummoxed!) and let his "authentic self" out.

That dog don't hunt, it just barks....

Oh my God, why are Phucktard Phil and Robin on the ACMs?! WHY?!

I was just creeped the hell out by this, and I think that DP was too. I really think in this instance, DP was not trying to be manipulative, but was rather not wanting to touch her lest some of the crazy rub off. Chick is crazy as a bessie bug.

You know, I used to belong to a pregnancy board where it was discovered that some posters were not pregnant but inventing this elaborate pregnancy stories. Why would some do that, I have no clue, but I was thinking today, "Man, I have been harping on this pregnancy for so long, my TWOP friends probably think that I am not really pregnant!"

Just wanted to thank you guys for the support.

Me too! YIKES!!
Once again he demonstrated one of his own Phil-isms. He didn't have to say a word, his body language spoke volumes! Notice how he pulled as far away from her as his chair would allow and even kept his hands close to his body.
Then when he did say something, it was as striking as the crap he accused John of saying. The whole comment about is that the way she controls people?? I think it caught him SO offguard that he did not respond properly at all.

Amy just needed to calm the heck down! I think the last thing she needed was a tv-induced speed divorce to meet editing deadlines. She was basically out of control and not rational in the least. I would have said you can have all the garage sale crap in exchange for the house... just get away... leave! Instead, she's having a cow over Tupperware and frequent flier miles??!! At one point they were so piddily I was wondering if they really did want it to end or just see how long we can draw it out by bargaining for clothes hampers!

Btw... since John's lawyer was from South Africa, she would be considered an African-American, right? After all her yappin' today, she did speak some truth by admitting that he needed to move out and move on with his life. I think the guy lawyer was much more professional but surely reminding himself constantly that he WAS getting paid for stepping into this zoo.

Preview to One-Year Followup: She's out of that house after having to foreclose cuz she couldn't afford it. He hasn't paid her a dime of anything. The kids are one year closer to their own disasterous adult relationships. But at least we got our materialistic junk!

I HATE PATRIARCH PHIL!

His entire reason for being is to:

1) Demean and control strong women.
2) Destroy all other males.
3) Worship the ground that his slav... er... wife... Robin floats over because she is unencumbered by the weight of a brain and a personality.

We've got to send in a TWOP infiltration team with video equipment and break this monster on the air before the whole nation.

I'm too disgusted by today's episode to even speak of it... except to say... that AMY IS ONE CRAZY-ASS BITCH.

I'm glad John taped her.

DrAL, knowing your stance on women in general, I was so afraid you were going to take up for this gal. She really let herself shine when she asked her lawyer, "Does this mean John comes out ahead?" No, honey, you won. Now get off my tv.

Bitch is crazy.

So glad that Stacy and Chris are getting a free vacation. After that was announced I shut 'er down, so I may have only witnessed the awarding of the first in a series of prizes. So, those of you who tough it out to the end, let me know if Phil keeps on a givin' and the FUF#2 also receive a car, Rolexes, plastic surgery and a year's supply of Turtle Wax.

(Truth me told, Uncle Phil was so harping on Chris's golf aspirations I was afraid he was about to cut to a video of Tiger Woods, inviting Chris to play eighteen holes with him or some other fabulous out-of-the-ordinary experience that should go to chronically ill children, heroes or Teachers-of-the-Year--not a grown man trying to cock his life up beyond all recognition.)

Hexele, glad I didn't let you down!

My adoration and protection of the Sisterhood fortunately doesn't extend to lying, crazy-ass, and self-serving bitches who are as destructive and exploitive as men. Unlike some feminists/humanists, I absolutely draw the line at women using underhanded tactics to get what they want. Even when their cause is just, women still need to be capable of rational and critical thinking and not resort to psychotic reasoning and destructive self-serving schemes.

I recently had to kick a fairly long-term friend to the curb because it was revealed she was lying to everyone about her husband's alleged mistreatment of her and was also because it was revealed she was manipulating everyone in her social circle. I actually get far more angry when women fuck eachother over then when men do because I expect so much better from women because they are innately capable of so much more.

O.M.G. -- PP gave SkankyStacy's FUF2 a trip to Jamaica?!?!?!?!?!?
I'd been on the fence about these lame-ass season finale/reward shows UNTIL NOW. This is just too many kinds of wrong...
Gemmadoll, the only other 'reward' was that Brianne gets to sing "Can't Hurry Love" on national television. I wonder if SkankyStacy can spell irony. (I'm amazed that I can, what with my bleeding ears and all...)

ETAdjust for the fact that Gemmadoll & i posted within minutes of each other. Great minds...

Thanks, Stinkylulu I kinda expected Phil to give Brianne something because of his "America's Sweetheart" blather. Glad I turned it off when I did. Maybe Phil's Lord Largesse act is because deep down he knows his "professional" help is worth both diddley and squat. That, and the way his largely female audience squeals and hoots when he announces his give-aways probably makes him feel like an idol from his long-ago youth, like Vic Damone.

And we were hoping that he'd give her a gift certificate to a local hospital to get her tubes tied!

I watched my taped episode of the “John and Amy Divorce Saga” earlier today and I found an unintentionally funny moment in it. During the trial portion of the shows, when the lawyer was referring to the two parties by their last names, their last names were bleeped out. "Then Mr. BLEEP! said to Mrs. BLEEP!" Maybe I watch too much "South Park", but it sounded so much like they were being called by really nasty names, which, given their behavior, is quite appropriate.

Check out this article in NY Post about the class-action suit against Shape Up vitamins and supplements endorsed by Dr Phil.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/23489.htm

Oh man, I love the Dr.P snark here. It's so refreshing.

I missed the Amy & John show, sounds like I missed a good (or bad) one.

Re: FUF#2 today, granted I watched while doing other things (didn't pay very good attention) but does it seem like DP is trying to end this in a flurry of gifts and platitudes so that when FUF2 wake up in a few weeks and realize that they are still a veryFUF, they won't be too mad at DP? This is a family with some serious, soap opera issues: infidelity x 3, out of wedlock baby given up, blended family, the debt of a third world nation and 2 crap ass parents. And today's show made it seem like if they can win on the Newlywed game, everything will be alright. WTF? Are these people still in debt? Weren't they going to lose their house? What happened to that? Has DP solved any of their problems? For that matter has he even identified any of their problems? My guess is that he was fed up with them and realized that there was no fixing these two, so he has them do some feel-good exercises and gives them a trip and sends them on their way. This way his Stepford audience can clap, the viewers don't see a Philphailure and the FUF gets the sense that they were helped.

Also, question re: relationship retreat couples. The guy with the buzz cut and the drinking problem (not too good with names), did DP recommend AA or some other 12 step group for him?

Hey, did you all know that Dr. Phil wrote a book? Me neither. I just heard about it. He's keeping it so low key.

Learn to type, Brianne...learn. To. Type.

I thought that a woman as knocked up as Stacey is couldn't fly? Fire the producer who said, "Hmmmmm....I know the perfect gift for someone struggling to keep their lights on: give them a luxury vaction that they can't even use immediately." Great, give the couple who already doesn't take enough responsibility for their kids a trip so they can dump a newborn and head off to play on the sand. If I know anything about Stacey, they'll let their car get repo'd so that she has a few bucks to splurge on a cute new bikini for the trip. Gah! That's Phil o' crap!

Brianne, we'll see you in January on American Idol as the next Leah LaBelle with a high-school-musical quality voice and a scary scary stage mom.

Here's my thought on the FUF2's luxury vacation:

I love holidays with mr. maggie. I really, really do. We usually have a marvelous time on our trips. That being said, we have also had some of our worse fights ever whilst on vacation. Travel is inherently stressful, and even in the most harmonious of relationships, too much togetherness can be a bad thing. mr. maggie and I experienced this last summer most acutely; we were on a Meditteranean cruise and having been cooped up together for a couple of days at sea, we had a meltdown right outside the Basilica di San Marco. A couple of hours apart solved the problem, and we made up outside that same Basilica, but it was tense for a while. A similar situation happened just last week in Mexico: we got lost, and it was very hot and humid, and we had no water, and we took it out on each other. We made up...but only after a doozy of an argument.

My point? mr. maggie and I have a pretty good relationship, I think. We are two mature adults who love each other, respect each other, and are committed to our relationship. Chris and Stacy do not fit any of this criteria. Stacy obviously loves only herself, Chris seems to love golf balls and whining on national television. There is absolutely no respect in that marriage (most of that disrespect should be hurled at the slut who has had three affairs). As for the two of them being committed to their relationship, well, anyone else get the feeling that the new baby is a way of cementing a very tenuous bond? I just don't see it.

All of this could lead to a disastrous "vacation." And what do they come home to? Brianne's "singing," more debt than TLC, Stacy's whelplings all over the goddamned earth, Chris still not trusting Stacy, and Stacy thinking she is smarter than the rest of the planet.

But hey, they got a free trip out of the deal! And Shill fed Brianne's delusion! Now THAT'S therapy!

Er, entertainment.

Interesting, if old, article about Dr. Phil and some of his troubles here in Salon. You have to have subscribe to read it but you can watch a short ad and get free access for a day. If the link doesn't work, just go to salon.com and search, the article is called "Who's Your Daddy?" and is dated Nov 23, 2003.

It just reiterates much of what we have discussed, but is pretty fair (but not flattering at all) and not mean or petty. They mention his first marriage and the Nutracrap bars and his gymscam scandal. They also talk about the lawsuit by Laurencia "Bambi" Bambenek which I had forgotten all about.

Sigh...I can't even comment on FUF2 anymore, its pathetic. They all are. We don't know each other...teehee how cute! Not.

My mom works with this lady who says she went to college with Stacey and said she was very very popular with the guys. No shit. Hee.

Saw DP on Larry King last night on rerun and it sounded like Tony Robbins or something, made me naseous!

I bet Stacey, an avowed Mormon, could do 45 minutes on why gay people are disgusting and how they're ruining society.

Wouldn't that be ironic?

Allowing gays to marry would just, like, totally cheapen marriage! Pardon me while I go cheat on my husband yet again and then admit it on national television. [/Stacy]

They give a whole new meaning to the word "pathetic!" Add Dr. Shill/Robin to the pathetic bunch, too. Today's show was a total waste of airtime, IMO.

Delurking to comment on something Dr. Phil said about loving children/stepchildren today.
The whole thing with Chris and Brianne - sending them to an ice rink - good idea, but pretty odd that it was an empty rink. Everything looked staged and forced, as opposed to natural, if they'd just been dropped off there, and let the relationship develop naturally, over time, based on the little things that ARE a relationship.

But what really got me was the doc's comments that of course Chris's relationship would be different - step parents don't bond with step children automatically, because there was no biological connection. huh? What kind of nonsense was that? What does that say about my two adopted children? arrgh. The "genetic connection" he referred to was insulting, and I'm surprised he actually said it. I can't belive that genetics is what drives the love we feel for our children. Could it be that step parents don't feel that instantaneous bond because they haven't spent a lifetime with those children? That those feelings take time to develop? I can understand separating the two types of parents and children, sure, but to attribute the differences to biology was ridiculous. Heaven know he's had enough biological children and parents on his own show to demonstrate that "genetic connection" doesn't equal loving (or sane!) parents.

May have been a poor choice of words, but inappropriate for a professional. YMMV.

I didn't even make it to the prize give-away part of the show. Yucky yuck.

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As Joe Pesci would say (in an edited for tv movie)....
WHAT THE FREAK WAS UP WITH THAT FREAKIN' FAMILY?!
What a bunch of freakin' nonsense.... throwin' freakin' money at a problem yet again!
And which producer did the math on sending this bunch so an island vacation?
Ummm... the same one who sent FUF1 so we could see if Alex would take the bait (as they are hoping Stacy will)?
That's just NONSENSE! These people in both FUFs DO. NOT. NEED. OVERPRICED. LUXURY. VACATIONS.
THEY. NEED. COUNSELING. BY. PROFESSIONALS.
All these kids are SO screwed up that I can only figure DrP is laying the table for his boy Jay to come in and mop up (aka: get his own show, etc).

I had to bail before halftime with today's show. I hate to say this, but this was so totally pointless. FUF didn't work with DrP so he couldn't shine like he wanted to. Looking back, there was NO WAY he was gonna pull the plug on them, especially that close to the end of the season. Personally, this show has cried "wolf" too many times in what was "supposed" to be interesting lead-ins, only to be a bunch of boring crap-ola.
If he's gonna do series and shows like we've seen this week... fughedaboutit... we don't need another Maury clogging the airwaves.

Oh, and we needed a replay of how many times Stacy has referred to Chris's balls (and I don't think she meant golf). She's SO classy! Thanks DrP for the series on "how to be whitetrash". We learned a lot!!

Sandy---ITA. The portrayal of step-parenting in the media is one of my pet peeves. I have two step-parents and they are lovely people who care a lot about me. My stepdad is very different from my mom and I, but he has a good heart and is a very dependable person, and arguably more "there" for me than my bio dad. And while it is true that my stepmom has a different relationship with her bio kids than me (because each child is an individual---her bond with each of her bio kids is different and it has nothing at all to do with me being non-bio vs the others) I was in my stepmother's life for about 4 years before she had kids. So she and I already had a bond and a relationship before the bio kids arrived. There was never any fear on my part that the bio kids would be loved better than me or would somehow replace me because we had a prior history together.

Now, they are saying these idiots have been narried for 6 years, and Chandler the bio kid is only 3. So---WTF was Chris doing with Brianne for the three years before Chandler was born? Why was he not cementing a relationship with her at that time? Why did they not have warm fuzzy memories together to build on from day 1?

It was close finish between her and Amy from The Anatomy of a Divorce slop, but Stacy still wins the Most Hateful Sow in America contest.


And shouldn't we move this thread to Game Shows since everyone gets a fabulous prize at the end of every show?

Make that the controlling, manipulative slut and I'm with you.

I'm SO glad I found this forum! I'm pleased that so many of you share my hatred for Dr. Shill. I've been following the shows about FUF #1 and #2 for awhile and can't believe just how LAME Dr. Dipshit's advice is. I sincerely hope some real pros are working with these folks behind the scenes while Dr. Shill is out, well, shilling Everything Dr. Shill.



Big fat WORD to that. I hate her far more than I hate the stage moms on Showbiz Moms and Dads.

Die Stacy Die. In a non-threatening, non-cyberstalking way.

And BTW how badly do I have to fuck up before Dr. Shill gives ME a free tropical vacation? Where do I sign up?

Not to mention that not every new parent has an instant bond with their biological children. Sometimes you are scared, have mixed feelings, post-partum depression (whatever) and to just say that you have this instant bond may lead many people especially mothers) to feel that something is terribly wrong with them, even though what they are going through is totally normal.

Man, Dr. Phillatio is totally bugging me these days. Why can't I stop watching? Is it like that car wreck thing?

Ok, I vote we change the topic title to this. Brillliant, KimberleeJean!

So Stacy and Chris are still deeply in debt, nothing has been done toward that except for Chris getting a job with benefits, but they got all new furniture for the baby? Did I miss something? Did Phil give them the mucho dollar set of matching changing table, dresser and crib? This may be my Swedish genes and cheapskate upbringing, but is all that neccessary when none of the bills are being paid? Stupid Stacy.

Speaking of financial matters and stupid, tomorrow, Phil's son Jay will be talking to recent college graduates about how to manage money. Feh. Like that guy has ever signed a college loan promissory form.

Regarding the family vacation to Sandals, let's look at Chris's requests for time off from a new job.
Multiple visits to Dr. P Show. Visit to golf course for break-down. Family time together w/ the visit of two sons. Skating at a "closed" rink - not likely a weekend.
And then a five day family vacation before the baby's born. Then time off for maternity leave. Yep, he'll do well in that job....

Why can't I get a job like that? Seriously, I have a college degree and 15 year work history and I've yet to find a job that would give me anywhere near as flexible of a schedule, especially right after coming on board. I daresay if most people just didn't show up one morning cause of a golfing breakdown, they'd find their stuff in a neatly packed box along with their final paycheck when they did show up.



Pretty cool huh - and not like they wouldn't have baby furniture already.

Wowee - we can't pay our phone bill, but we're going to the Bahamas - that makes ever so much sense. I'm also really bugged about Stacy keeping in such close contact with Bohdan. I hope that his adoptive parents have been watching and after seeing Stacy bring the crazy will move far far away and leave no forwarding address!

Yeah, if any good can come of this, at least the adoptive parents can have a heads up.

I can admit it when Phil is "on", but he has just been throwing money around this entire week. Does that make for good ratings? Really? Ugh, I really can't stand it some day.

I'm DREADING tommorow's episode because I am sure Patriarch Phil and First Lieutenant Jay will be yelling at the college kids for being in debt and messing up their lives. But then we know that Jay is second only to Jesus for he is doubtlessly still chaste and pure and probably struggles very hard to make both ends of his enormous trust fund meet.

The sad fact is, today's Bachelor's Degree is little more than a High School Diploma for the Middle Class. Very few Bachelor's Degrees can be or are directly applied to ones adult career.

With surging tuition costs, easy credit, poor funding of student living expenses, debt is the inevitable outcome and is only made worse by the fact the most of today's graduates won't be earning near enough to cover either their living expenses or their debts as soon as they leave the starting gate.

Maybe PP and Jay will surprise me about I doubt it.

Today's finale was irritating. Chris is just such a Putz and I am so sick of his stupid-ass Golf dreams! Figure out how to take care of yourself, your wife, and your kids and then find a way to chase your damn dream!

I also find myself growing more and more uneasy about all these kids and teens are being intoduced into the national consciousness via these shows. I don't object when adults choose it for themselves but it feels like a violation and very wrong to have the kids exposed to this stuff.

After reading some of the posts, it is becoming clearer why yesterday's FUF2 show was pitiful (among other reasons). What a moronic slap in the face to give this family a week long vacation to Jamaica. That is the LAST thing this group needs. I guess it just seems all the more bizarre after just giving that one gal such an oversized check (literally & figuratively) to keep her mom's house from foreclosure.
FUF2 is gonna get home from this thing... and don't think for a second that it still won't cost them a stack, even paying the taxes on that thing is gonna be a hit.... and gonna be right where they've been all along.
And the last thing this group needs is baby furniture! Obviously, they've been there.

Another revelation.... why Chris is reduced to having his Wendy's applications rejected. They guy probably has a lame-ass work record with no references. He has these kids and a wife that just won't stop, and he's moping around like he can't get a break. And 5 mins before he's supposed to be at work, he goes to the golf course. And is now going on a big vacation. You know those bosses are REALLY impressed with this guy!

Now what is that DrP-ism that he likes to yell at folks? .... hmmmm.... I wanna get this right.... oh, yeah.... DrP, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING??

He should be thinking "malpractice." OK, all of you lawyer types, let us know: Dr Phil touts his "help" as strictly for entertainment-I'm-just-Doug Henning-with-a Texas-drawl and probably has the participants sign more waiver papers than Evil Knieval before he staged a TV jump, but what about HIS real credentials and the REAL damage done to these unfortunate people? IS he liable as a practitioner if the very worst happens (and we can all imagine what that would be) in one of these families? CAN TPTB in the legit therapy world, er, jerk a knot in Phil's tail?

Gemmadoll, very good questions. I hope somebody can answer them, or at least give their opinions on them. That's been my problem with the FUFs and even the Relationship Rescue people and some of the WLC people. Phil is just fine with people who don't have 'serious' problems. When it's just a matter of giving somebody a "wake up call", he's not half bad and actually, I like most of his parenting advice to couples with YOUNG children. I don't think he's as good with teens. But, anyway, the trouble lately has been that he's been taking on people with serious, serious issues and it just feels wrong. FUF2 didn't need to go on vacation -- the parents both needed to grow up, get their finances in order so those poor children don't end up on the street, and start dealing with their obvious emotional problems. Phil was just sick of them and wanted a nice little tidy ended on a TV schedule. Not cool.

Amen! Chris is the most cuckolded, spineless, pathetic loser I have ever seen on this show. And that's saying a lot. Take Chandler and run far, far away Chris. And then run some more.



A bigger amen to this. I always joke that my Bachelor's is a $50,000 piece of paper in a $12 frame.



All very true. But let me add one thing to the mix. Since I graduated two years ago, I have been working at the university in an administrative capacity. I was completely blown away at the number of students (that aren't that much younger) who can do absolutely NOTHING for themselves. Mummy or Daddy does everything for them. (Not just first-years... we're talking into law school here). Furthermore, I'm sure we all had roomies in uni. who's parents paid for everything (right down to the toothpaste) and the money was always magically replaced at the start of the next month. It doesn't surprise me that so many graduates don't completely understand the value of a dollar or the meaning of debt. I think a lot still believe in the old money tree. Combine this with the reasons quoted aboe and you've got a real problem.