Maybe Oprah lent him her audience.

ETA: Dr. Shill is an utter Asshat.

It didn't take Phil long to find his place among the talk show exploitative chorus line. Back when I watched Maury I remember him closeting his "guests"--troubled youngsters who acted out quite a bit--into a green room outfitted with food, electronics and "staff purses" full of cash to see if the kids rose to the bait. Secret tape was shown, audience roared, drill sargeant stormed in, kids made to clean up food fight mess and turn over the money, etc. So very, very cheap.

Phil does this same sort of thing only-- as a few of you have mentioned --his production team stages the drama in the participants' homes. Phil apparently has forgotten everything his psych professors attempted to pound into his pointy head and probably goes all mealy mouthed when confronted by professional therapists. "I'm just givin' American what it wants. I can't compete if I don't bring the drama."

PT Barnum with a PhD.

ITA percolata, snowdog, et al for the comments on Dr.P's obsession with weight issues, I suspect it probably has more to do with the issues about his own weight problems.

I can only speak for myself in saying that I was happier after losing 40 lbs, but I wasn't really miserable before, either. He seems to have no conception that not everyone has raging bouts of hatred for fat.

Alternately, I have a problem with Oprah for a similar reason. She always advances the notion that every weight prob has an underlying mental problem. (eg: I'm carb addicted! as opposed to "I like bread!"). I never had an underlying problem that forced me to eat, I just didn't watch what I put in my mouth and never exercized.

I realize some people do have emotional or psychological problems that contributes to or causes weight problems, I just don't like to see the medicalization that turns everything about a person into a potential disease. Bugs the hell out of me.



Clears things up for me, too, I had been wondering why Dr. P didn't invite those people and the show to find out what the hell was wrong with them.

I now have the Ultimate Weight Loss pain in the butt!!
What a bunch of nonsense CRAP-OLA today's show was!!
The least of it was the overall editing... jumping from scene to scene, cutting off lines and both ends of L. Womack's song (not that I'm bummed about that).

All I can figure is that these guinea pigs made a ton of cash for the DrP Empire by being walking/talking commercials. Therefore, instead of royalty checks (and so they won't sue), he showers them in ridiculously high-priced "gifts". So much of that crap was completely over the top.... especially tacking on a car to Jim's stuff.
The whole time you could just see Fred thinking "damn.... all I got was a trip to Europe...".

Glad they introduced the make-over guy at the end... wondered who the guilty party was!
Except for Monica and maybe one other, they looked too "made up".
I think the biggest disappointment was Jim wanting to be on tv!! I can't take anymore of that guy.... and just WHAT is that crap in his hair? (no, nevermind... I don't want to know). And Mrs. Jim just looks like A LOT of fun to be around! uuugghhhh.... I guess they'll be over at the McGraw's playing tennis all the time after they get moved out to LA.

So can we pack up these folks with FUF1 (and hopefully FUF2 by the end of the week) and bid a fond farewell??
Btw... Where do they find these materialistic, shallow, squealing audiences?? UUUGGGHHH!!!

Ahhhh crap. Jim won the damned Challenge. I guess they gave him a convertable because his head wouldn't fit in a regular car.

I missed Extreme Makeover (well, I wouldn't say I missed it) so this was the first time I've seen the new Monika. Did she have plastic surgery other than the new funbags? It looks like they just gave her implants and then dyed her hair. I wish she had stuck with the red; she looks so washed out now.

I was happy for Thomas and Monika, but was thrilled for AnneMarie. She looks so pretty and happy with herself. I also thought she got the best gift of all - free tuition.

I had to leave the apt to do laundry, so I missed part of the show. Did they feature Leslie, Angela, Sarah, or Marilyn? Or did they not lose enough weight and therefore weren't allowed on the show?

Why does DP make the message board such a pain to navigate through?

Big WORD to that!

Just what we need -- Jim and his "newly-enlarged" ego on tv. I want to find out which show(s) he'll be on so I can avoid them.

Word squared to that!
These three seemed like they were truly changed by the experience and got the big picture of being a better person.
Kudos to Anne Marie.... free tuition is priceless and she's going to go on to do great things.
Monika should lose the new hair color... she looked great with the other color. But I do like her and she seems like a genuinely good person.
Thomas seems like he's a good guy and grateful, as opposed to Mr. and Mrs. Jim who have egos bigger than all the lost weight combined! Sorry, but people like them don't do a thing for me.... in other words, they'll love LA!! uuuggghhh....
Let's check back in a year with that charming couple after their free rent runs out and Jim's not getting those acting gigs so the little woman is hounding his ass. He'll be eating his way thru divorce court as she sues for uprooting her from Chicago... blah, blah, blah...... So we should look for them on next season's RRR??

So the 3 or 4 who didn't lose "enough".... were they even invited?

Today's show was really hideous as yall have pointed out. Fuck them all, I could use some money to pay off my fucking bills and I lost 70lbs without you Phil! Bald bastard. Go away, all of you. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

When will I ever learn not to be a lemming to the promos? There was the whole, "Being the Ultimate Weight Loss Challenge winner is not just about losing the weight..." So, duh me just jumped off the damn cliff with the other lemmings and thought, "Well, good. It can't be Jim or Thomas. It's about time someone else got a turn." And then....whammo! Balloons dropping from the ceiling! AAARRRGGGHHHH! We all know the conclusion.

I also wondered about the three who were not invited to the party. Dr. Phil alluded to it last week, so I expected that they wouldn't all be there, but do they get completely shafted? Regardless of the total pounds lost, they ALL DID lose weight, so what's the shame in that? Dr. Phil loves to pimp everything in his favor, so you think he would have just made it out to be a glorification of himself and his "program" that EVERYONE lost weight. It just seems unnecessarily mean to me.

Last, a question. This must have been the only Dr. Phil that I have (unintentionally) missed this year, but why did Thomas move to using Thomas instead of Donny? They showed a snippet of it on this ep showing some guy (who?) telling him he could go by Thomas, and it wasn't Dr. Phil unless my eyes deceive me.

It was a really easy show to get through today, though. See the participant, find out what prize they've won then fast-forward through all of the prize-related commercials. It was like a ten minute show!


ETA: I didn't realize that all three of the "losers" (or anti-losers as the case may be), Angela, Marilyn and Sarah were all on the same team - Team 2. Guess they couldn't give out team awards then, huh? I also wonder what the support was like between team members? If it had been Captain Jim's team I could have understood no-questions asked, but Thomas seemed to be a supportive kind of guy.

Anything I say at this point will sound bitter, bitter, bitter. They did pick folks that were unhappy with themselves and they did a great job at losing weight. Good for 'em; I am happy for them. But I hate. when DP turns into Santa Daddy.

And Fred? Just a week in Europe? Where's his career? His $50K check?



Really? Phil wrote a book? Who knew??

Channeling my inner bitter pill: If I gain a bazillion pounds, get knocked up by someone else, put my mom's house in foreclosure, set my car on fire, eat my own dog, but come on television and submit to the wisdom of the Phil and change my ways....can I get showered with [name brand] gifts, too?? Sorry, I had to vent that or I would have exploded. Besides, I'd never eat my dog.

Shit, you aren't kidding. mr.maggie and I have been out of the country for the past week; we took a much-needed sojourn to Cancun, just lying on the beach and soaking in the sun and eating delicious dinners every night and becoming reacquainted.

Last night, we arrived home and I flopped on the couch to watch the episodes of Shill that I taped. First, it must be said that I blew through five episodes in roughly an hour, so much fast forwarding was going on. Second, I was immediately sickened by the little holiday in the Cayman Islands. Just...disgusted.

We took a needed vacation because we earned it through good old-fashioned hard work. That is when you deserve a vacation. You do not deserve a vacation because you are a young slut in a family of famewhores. That is not behavior that merits a reward where I come from. Where I come from, a fancy-schmancy super-pricey vacation is the very last thing a teen mother gets in exchange for her irresponsibility.

Then...THEN...the little tramp has the unmitigated gall to go skanking off with some random boy she just met. I love how Erin was portrayed as this tremendous shrew, this evil person, for screaming at her daughter on the beach and referring to her as a slut. My thoughts? Maybe if she had done that type of thing a long time ago, Alexandra would not be the so-called "mother" to Nathan today. Was it hard for a 16-year-old girl to hear her mother judge her so harshly? Of course it was. GOOD. Harsh judgment is what Little Miss Hotpants No Birth Control Need A Man For Validation has needed all along.

And I cannot help but think that the trip to the Caymans for Alexandra to "follow her passion" (TM Fluffer Nutter) was a very carefully planned ruse by the good folks at the Shill show for righteous footage of Alex engaging in the exact same behavior as before. "Following her passion," but certainly not in the marine biology sense. Or perhaps precisely in that sense. Okay, that was gross. Still, I think it was all designed to entice the dumb bovine into behaving the way she did. I mean, DUH. Men on the make at an island resort? Ya think? I'm a very much married woman in her mid-30's and I had to hit the blokes off with a stick.

If I ever go see the Dr. Phil show (that's hypothetical, y'all), as soon as I get there I'm gonna look under my seat. And if it's anything good (as in, gifts other than Shill's book), then I'm just gonna grab it and leave.

Today's show was like a train wreck, I wanted to change the channel, but I just couldn't - I had to see what crap PP would be bestowing on the WLCers.

There must be something seroiusly wrong with me. I am by no means a thin person, never have been, never will be, but one thing I can say for all the guys I've been with - no matter what other less than stellar qualities they had - they did not harp on/insult me about my weight the way some of the spouses of the WLC folks did. If they did, I hope I would have enough self-esteem to show them the door. I don't think I'd be as forgiving and take them on glamorous trips to Hawaii or to my thrilling new PP-enabled life in California. If they didn't love me fat, they wouldn't get the chance to love me thin. But, I am a vindictive bitch.

I also thought it was interesting that PP was harping on some of the women last week who had lost only 60 lbs., saying they should have lost more, but Judith and some of the others this week who were winners lost similar amounts.

BWAH!!

So I'm thinking I should just really fat and go on Dr. Phil - free shit abounds! And the more pompous and arrogant I get about my weight loss, the better stuff I get! How much you wanna bet that Jim has absolutely no acting talent? He's fantastically screwed.

Was it making anyone else sick all the women that were saying how much better their marraiges were now that they were thin? Hmm, maybe your husbands getting nicer has something to do with the fact that they made fun of you for being fat, and now you've lost weight. That's conditional love, and it's pathetic for them to think these guys are any different inside. But it's Dr. Phil, so no one on there cares.

I was really hoping Leslie would get to wrestle Steve Irwin.

OT...



word from a fellow Flybaby. DP should have Marla on his show-she has BTDT concerning depression, weight and clutter issues. Plus, don't you love the MenuMailer? The Garlic Lime Chicken is mr marillion's fave chicken dish /OT]

welcome back maggiegault! Gotta love that "reacquaintance" time!

WLC? Yawn. Over the top gifting; it was a bit like a kindergarten graduation.

Fat, thin, you gotta be happy, period. But I humbly submit that maintaining a decent level of physical fitness is extremely important for one's mental and emotional health. I started working out to exercise videos, primarily strength training, about 9 years ago. It has really improved my overall quality of life- I can play hard with my little cousins, navigate steep trails on vacation, help people move furniture, and maintain my overall health. I believe the key is finding something you really LIKE to do. And not eating like it's the State Fair every day!

mmmmmmmm State Fair fooooooddd. [/homer simpson]

Garlic Lime Chicken hasn't come on my menu-mailer as yet, but I've only been a member a little while. However, Asian Stir-Fry Beef has been requested three times by Mr. Hex, so it's a hit.

You're so right about exercise marillion. It's the hardest habit to start, but once started, it can make you feel so good. I was pleased that they showed a clip of Anne Marie simply making progress in making better time during the walks.

So...what did happen to the uninvited three? Did they quit? Get ousted? I must have missed something.

By next week, Dr.P will be saying they were never there, and it is just our deep psychosis or a problem with Key#3 or some sort of metal detecting addiction that deluded us into believing there were people that "failed" his program.

And if we go on a "Debtate Dr. Phil" program to ask about it, mysterious hidden camera tapes of people dissing us will magically appear. And if we protest the slanted nature of the tapes presented, Dr. P will get really, really mad and huff, "I edited those tapes myself, what are you trying to say??? Let's see that tape again!"

I had already taken a shower before I watched my tape of today's episode, but boy, did I feel dirty after watching (fast forwarding through most of) it. Of course, when I thought of taking another shower, phrases like "With the help of our good friends at Culligan, lispunk's water will be soft and clean. Our good friends at Pantene have arranged to have shampoo and conditoner awaiting her. Afterwards she will luxuriate in the towel provided by Marshall Field's. When she returns to the couch, there will be copies of all my books, my newsletter, and some Shape Up or Else Bars awaiting her!"

If I knew then what I knew now, I'd have tried to get onto the WLC team, said that my dream was to meet Bono, be the grand prize winner, and get a hug from Bono before siccing him onto Phil: "You preach this garbage when people are dying in Africa?"

Jim really creeps me out. And his scary wife too. It almost sounded like Phil declared him the big winner just so he could say "HA!" to the wife. I like Thomas much better. I was hoping he'd win. But they all got really swanky prizes, so I guess it doesn't matter. I hope there will be no more follow-ups and we never have to see any of these people again. Also---if everyone on reality tv who says they got tv hosting jobs really did get tv hosting jobs, then every tabloid show on the air would be run by reality tv show people instead of Mary Hart. So somebody out there is exaggerating or something...

Oh, and I got in shape the old fashioend way and have kept it up. And what did I get for my troubles? Getting laid off AGAIN for the second time in six months, they love me but there is just not enough work, sigh. So who's going to pay to send me back to school or something? Anyone? Dr. Phil? Anyone?

thanks lispunk, for my snort o' the day! Sounds like something straight off the Simpsons!

I loathe the husbands who made fun of their wives' weight. Idiots. However, I had a friend in college whose fiancee gained 60 yes 60 lbs. in the year between proposal and wedding day. I didn't think that was very thoughtful of her and I'll leave it at that. They went ahead with the wedding but were divorced a couple of years later-I don't think it was over weight issues.

I wouldn't have believed that there were such insensitive asshats as those recorded, until a few years ago. I was at a pizza buffet and went up to get my food. An older lady bent down and said to a little boy "You'd better go ahead of me and get what you want before SHE gets it all" loud enough for me to hear. I was the only "she" up there so I assume it was me she was referring to.

Topic: Dr. Phil -- Did y'all know there are licensed therapists who prescribe Dr. Phil? This was back when he was on Oprah on Tuesdays and had Relationship Rescue (must watch every Tuesday, must buy book and accompanying workbook). No, I don't see this therapist anymore, by the way. She was a little obsessed with Dr. P. I think she had some issues.

My problem with the WLC show - beside being a corporate shill for all the giveaways - was the inequity of the prizes. So Angela (I think) got the trip to Australia for 7 days. Hell, it takes 2 days flying back and forth so she'll have five times (with jet lag) to be there. Couldn't they given her 10 days?

Same with Kim's backyard stuff...that looked like nothing compared to some of the other prizes. And same for the African-American guy (sorry, can't remember names) 7 day trip to Europe.

I guess he was rewarding them on how well they did on the whole program, but something just felt off about the whole thing.

And WTF was the top Robin wore yesterday? It had HUGE rhinestone cuffs - yikes!

A question for those of you who closely followed the WLC? What was up with Jim's wife? I do remember at the start of this that she seemed very cold...but yesterday she seemed about as excited as someone who stepped into warm cow pies...what's up with her?

Jim's wife was major bee-yotch the whole time because she didn't think Jim could pull it off; she was all, I'm not attracted to you because you're fat and because you're fat I can treat you like shit.

Maybe the perceived inequity of the prizes was just that: perceived. It seems like everyone got what they wanted.

I really wanted Thomas to win. I thought it'd be him the entire season.

I don't think she has even made the attempt to try to appear excited about this whole thing. Then again, if someone announced that they were backing a Mayflower van up to my house and moving my ass to LA I would probably freak. Even if I was fully, totally, and in all ways supportive of my husband's aspirations, I don't think I could fake a bunch of joy at the thought of leaving my job, my friends, etc. It would take me awhile to get behind the idea.



Had to respond, as this is a pet peeve of mine. (Next dog? Gonna name him Peeve.) Therapists who prescribe someone else's book and then work from it. I don't mind if they recommend a book for reading, even some exercises from the book, but I have had more than one therapist that worked directly from some book or other regardless of the appropriateness of its application. It smacks of laziness.

It's why the name Harville Hendrix to this day makes me grind out my fillings.
us: Well, this is interesting, but it doesn't really apply here.
Ther: Okay, but do the exercises, I think you'll see it does apply.
us: We did the exercises, and this is not dealing with the issue at hand. Really.
Ther: Okay, so do the exercise again.
us: IMAGO theory is not dealing with the [serious issues in neon light] problem.
Ther: Okay, so I'll see you next week.

I missed yesterday, and I'm relatively new to this train wreck of a show (although nothing makes me feel better about my life in comparison to FUFs, one and all) so I haven't seen any of the WLC episodes. But there is a guy on Kevin Matthew's radio show (in Chicago) that went on Dr. Phil. He goes by "Lumpy" on the air, but I think his real name was Jim. Is this the same guy? I think his wife's name is Dana. I'm just curious, but not curious enough to tune into Kevin this morning.

Edited to say that I should have googled it for myself before bothering you nice people with my question. It is the same guy, Jim Toth, from WCKG in Chicago. This is his website: http://www.jimtoth.com/.

Anyone else think that he won because none of the other challengers were a personality (such as it is) on a popular radio talk show in a major market, so Jim is in the best position to whore for Dr. Phil to millions of listeners on a regular basis? not that I'm cynical or anything.

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Ok, greatest dog name EVER.

I really can't figure out why Jim won. DP said it didn't matter how many pounds the challengers lost...and then in the same breath, he tells Jim that he's the winner (he lost the most weight) and doesn't even specify why.

Now, we perceptive people here on the forums know that Jim's a homophobic smug jackass so this can't be about him having the best attitude. I am still scratching my head over this. I think I agree with the poster who said it must be some weird fascination DP has with sticking it to Jim's wife.

My husband and I also came up with this plan for me to gain 70 lbs. to get on the next WLC show. The least we'll get is a cool treadmill. Maybe we should shoot footage of ourselves standing back-to-back with our arms folded ahead of time?

Drummouse said:

Exactly! And how dare she present you with a bill at the end of the session.

But which is the bigger price to pay? Your counselor's bill or the price for having your dirty laundry aired on TV?

I always wonder what the employers, co-workers and neighbors must think when they see a FUF or other equally FU person on Dr. Phil. It can't be good. Would you hire Stacy if you saw her on DP?

Boy, I thought I had turned on Dr. Phil but apparently it was The Price is Right ("Look at this studio filled with fabulous prizes") At least Bob Barker has some dignity though...

Anything less than 50lbs of weight loss = you're a non-entity and you don't get an invitation to the big party. But don't let it effect your self-esteem!

Don't worry about Jim. As soon as they get to Hollywood, his uber-bitch wife will hop on the first producer and/or agent that has the misfortune to cross their path. And she'll end up with the convertible too.

Dr. Phil: helping people through dieting and excessive product placements.

Jim offers "lifestyle coaching" on his website. Thank you, no.

He also writes: "There is a huge force holding America back from claiming what is rightfully theirs: control."

Yipe! What are you talking about, Jim? The U.N.?

BWAH! Coke everywhere!



This is something that drove me crazy about the WLC (and Monika's Extreme Makeover). It was so focussed on the "you are fat because you are failing" and I felt like the "you gotta be happy and healthy no matter what" angle was severly glossed over. If you have poor self esteem/body image, getting thin might help, but it's only a symptom of the problem. You have got to love the skin you are in. The good feeling from new boobs and a neck lift might last longer than a new pair of killer shoes, but you still have to deal with the root of the problem. Shill's right on one point IMHO: You can't change what you don't acknowledge. If you don't acknowledge that being thin isn't the path to happiness, you will feel very empty when you get there (speaking from personal experience). I really feel that the challengers (and the audience) we cheated out of a very important part of weight issues: you have to like yourself.



The whole time you could just see Fred thinking "damn.... all I got was a trip to Europe...".

Looks like Jim and Thomas are teaming up to offer "lifestyle counseling" (Thomas' web site is thomasdonharris.net). Thomas is also selling a CD on CDBaby. I am sure they didn't start out with this intention, but it looks like both of them have really gotten in touch with their inner famewhore -- no wonder Dr. Phil loves 'em.

Mr. loudfan was wondering if DP had OK'd the move with Jim's wife beforehand. If it was a surprise to her, I couldn't blame her for being upset!

BWAH!!!

That guy, with that hair, will not be giving me lifestyle advice.

Wow. Today's show almost smelled like real therapy. Doesn't do much for my snark. Though I could always mock Robin...

Can't Jim and TomDon freakin' proofread their whorepages? Jeez. Also? It looks like Jim's chest got hair plugs. I'm gonna go hork.

The one guy, Eric I think, he actually got to me. His mother didn't even want him there when she died, out of spite? That's pure evil, no wonder he's fucked up. Thought the exercises were actually decent as well, progress actually seems to be made here!

Yeah katymo, I couldn't believe that a mother would be that vindictive, even at the very end. My parents aren't perfect but cripes my childhood was Beaver Cleaver Land in comparison. Thanks Mom & Dad!

No kidding! Both of them are selling themselves like true famewhores! CDs, plays, concerts, life-style coaching.... and probably anything else. And so we go from playing bars and/or being on a wacky morning radio show to a self-qualified "lifestyle coach"?? Have either of these guys ever cracked a psych book .... or even a pamphlet? Just because you lose 100 lbs on national tv, does not qualify thee.

I thought Thomas should have won, too. However, there was one thing he did during the course of events that was very disappointing. The whole "win a date with Thomas" thing was beyond obnoxious. I would like to have thought he was more genuine then that. Once again, the DrP producers get a wild hair on how to mold the show JUST. THE. WAY. THEY. WANT.
Of course, sending him off to some island with a gal he just met for a "romantic get-away" is not to be confused with how they set up Alexandra (FUF1) by sending her to "study marine biology" in the Caymans.
Those producers have got to be Maury rejects!

Is it just me, or does one of the dudes from the marriage savin' retreat look a whole lot like one of the dudes from the weight loss challenge? A doppleganger, perhaps?

OH MY GOD... I HATE THIS FUCKTARDED SHOW!

I'm not sure what's more pathetic, that there actually people out there as stupid, pathetic, and clueless as these couples OR that parasites like Dr. Phil exist and are able to profit from them. Once again, Patriarch Phil (PP) engaged in his usual tricks and techniques...

1) Denigrating any woman with a brain or the balls to stand-up to the men in her life or (worst of all) him. Notice how the guy who's Mom was a cheater was viewed to be Evil Incarnate by PP rather then as a sad woman in an empty marriage and no way out.

2) Engaging in still more of his excessively dramatic (He really is the ultimate Drama Queen!) "Don't let the sun go down on another day..." shit about how people will regret it forever if they don't make it right today (even though neither may be ready to do that).

My Dad and I have been estranged for two years. However, as soon as it began, I told him I loved him and that I wanted him to know that for as long or as short as our hold-out lasted. However, I also told him why I was sick and tired of his lies, deceit, and denial and that I wasn't going to back-down until we came to a workable resolution.

As a result, one or both us could be hit by a bus tommorow but would die knowing the other loved us bad had serious issues with us. Sad, but not the end of the world. In families disagreements can't always be resolved at light-speed. But apparently, in PP's mind, any sort of anger towards parents is a no-no and must immediately be resolved in their favor.

3) Robin sagely nodding (with the gravity of a Manson Girl) as if every word that comes out of PP's mouth and every fart that comes out of ass comes directly from God.

Every time I think this show has hit rock bottom and will get real, PP fiils it up with even more religious zeal and fanaticism then before.

Class-Action Suit Targets Dr. Phil

Dr Phil states that his endorsement fee for Shape Up products entirely goes to charity. The key word is "his endorsement fee". The company that makes Shape Up product is CSA and they are located at the same address as Dr Phil's company Courtroom Science (CSI) I think that the revenue from Shape Up is filtered down to Courtroom Science because

1. Shape Up and Courtroom Science have the same address
2. The CEO of Shape Up is Gary Dobbs who is Dr Phil's partner at CSI.

So Dr Phil does get revenue from Shape Up-he only gives away the endorsement fee.

Ahhhh the Marketing Machine

Look at this here Exhibit (A)

http://www.shapeup.com/Images/label_oatmeal_raisin.gif

This the side panel from Phil's oatmeal snack bars made CSA
http://www.shapeup.com Notice the distribution address of 4950 N
O'Connor Blvd Irving, Tx

Now look here, this is Phil's real company, CSI
http://www.courtroomsciences.com this is how he met Oprah. But if you
look here http://www.courtroomsciences.com/contact.htm as you will
see it's the same address as his CSA company that he said he has been
working with since 1999 starting up a vitamin and snackbar line, when
in fact CSA is a cover for CSI (courtroom sciences Inc) CSA is
actually CS=courtroom sciences and the A=Amway or Alticor
http://www.alticor.com all the money is flowing into CSA which is
actually CSI of the same address in Irving Texas. So in other words
Phil is lying out his teeth again.

And Exhibit (B)

Go here http://www.courtroomsciences.com see Phil's business and
lawyer friend Gary C. Dobbs & Gary's son Brent Dobbs here in this
article
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-0...ooks-usat_x.htm
who is COO of ShapeUp Products

....well well looky here this is a press
release that was sent out on Oct 30th 2003....read real close and
notice the President of CSA Nutraceuticals, Now how could Phil's CSI
business partner be president of a supposed Nutraceuticals
company???....what a racket, oh we're going to help fat kids all the
while pocketing the majority of the $$$$.

Phil gave them his 1 million dollar "ENDORSMENT INCOME" to start some
teen obese fund, whoop dee doo, don't you think Phil & partner Gary
Dobbs are invested to reap massive cash all the while bilking America
in the process, all that product has been shown to not be any good
for ya, all full of "SUGAR". His Supplements will be coming off the
shelves soon, and he will be left with the bars which are still the
same sugary crap.

SOURCES FOR SUGARY CRAP:
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0114-03.htm


http://www.talkaboutsupport.com/group/alt....ges/512415.html

[Don't copy and paste copyrighted material, and don't sign your posts. -- Kim]

Wow, MyraA. You've really been doing your research! You're confirming what we've all known around here for a while: Dr. Phil is nothing but a greasy snake-oil salesman, and his enormous ego is going to be his downfall. Thanks for the info. (just a heads-up: don't sign your posts)

Ooooo MyraA (evil chortle.)

Now who was it who was making book on, "How soon the downfall?" I was going to say, "end of next season" but I'm thinking of pulling that in to, "before 2005".

Thanks MyraA for confirming Dr. Shill is a shill. A shyster (sheister?). Whatever. What an asshole. I really believe that his ego believed he could get away with anything now.

He is going to fall hard--and it won't be in a soft place. HA!

Hey, I just got a thought. Can you imagine--if Robin is his soft place to fall--imagine Patriarch Porker Phill falling on Robbin-botox! Squash!

A poster earlier figured Shill has a hog harness to lower himself to make love to Robbin so her face doesn't get distored from the squashing--and other things.

I hate Shill and Robbin.

Hee, Tosia. I've always pictured them (oh gosh, I just realized that I really have pictured them) with Robin astride, so as not to mess up her hair. In my vision Phil's the one in danger from those spike heels.

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Amy is stupid, mean, selfish, stupid, self-deluded, did I say stupid? and greedy.
But.
JOHN, telling his kids that Mommy stabbed him with a knife and Mommy has a boyfriend, is the worst example of a mental child abuser I've ever heard of. Think how many nightmares a little one could have over images like that. These people should never have had children.

I really loved Amy's whole, "Take my hand, Dr. Phil." and his refusal to do so. Manipulate much? I still can't stand DP, but he has had some flashes of sense during sweeps. Amy seems to be hell bent on acting like an ass, but still putting up the victim facade, and no one can call her out on it. Ever. That is why she is so obsessed w/ John's taping her.

Bitch, if you are so worried about being taped, then don't say anything that you would be embarrassed about. Or hell, don't talk to John at all. She should feel lucky. John looks like the kind of guy that would slip a little rat poison in her evening cocktail and then bury her under a slab in the backyard.

Ok, and ya'll, we are now PAST the due date. Can you feel Borokat's frustration coming thru the 'puter?!

My first child was three weeks late exactly. Keep hope alive!

Dear John and Amy: shut up. No, really. Not just on tv, but for real. Do not ever, ever talk again. Who here thinks those kids would be better off if these moroons never opened their mouths in front of them again? Gah. I hate hate HATE this series. Idiot people.

Unfortunately, my husband is a "Kevhead" and often takes Lumpy's (aka Jim) side because Jim often talks about the WLC after it's aired and my husband believes whatever Jim says. I think Jim's last last day on the air was yesterday, he's flying out today even though he their apartment isn't available until June/June (I half listened because while I like Kevin Matthews, Lumpy's ego is just out of control lately. It's a shame because he used to be funny too.) I give it a year before he's back with Kevin.