Ohhhh, today's show is going to be a doozie! Check it out at drphil.com.

Is it just me, or is there something weird about the inclusion of the family bed issue with 1.) A kid who has killed and tortures animals and 2.) A girl who is 13 and is already smoking, drinking and having oral sex?

Good lord, no matter where you stand on the family bed issue, the kid's 16 months old! I don't think he's going to turn into a serial killer or a prostitute like the other two for sleeping with his parents.

In fact, it kind of creeps me out to include a topic about a BABY in with the other two. But maybe I'm just in denial since I occassionally sleep with my 10 month old since he is still nursing many times a night. Heck, according to Dr. Shil, my kid is already tainted goods, so I'd better start saving my money now for the shrink when he's 16.

What a crock.

Did anyone notice the caption under the co-sleeping parents weren't "Co-sleeps with 16 month-old son" but "Has sex while 16 month-old son is in her (his) bed?" I don't think that was very necessary. Whatever our opinion on co-sleeping is (I know we've covered this already on the boards), there is no reason to make those parents look so deviant.
It just smacks of trashy talk show skeeviness.

Co-sleeping is not the issue. How on earth could you have sex with your child in the bed with you? I couldn't imagine doing it in the same room, let alone having Junior right there next to me.

Dr Al and/or Soap, okay YES, Phil steals shamelessly from Harville Hendrix. I saw that clearly during RRR. I didn't mind that show that much, although he definitely feels the need to browbeat people for his own gratification. Why would anyone subject themselves to that?

Sidenote: Mr. Hex came in halfway through, saw the statuesque blond and fell in lurrve. Until I mentioned that her husband met her while responding to a domestic violence call.

O/T: Lifetime...we call it the "Women as Victim Channel, the [insert name here] Story"

Have you seen "Showbiz Moms and Dads" on Bravo? Duncan Nutter fits this description perfectly-married, with seven kids and as gay as the day is long.

I have a Season Pass on TiVo for Dr. Phil and I must say that I delete all the ones on the Weight Loss Challenge simply b/c I don't want to watch him shill his products/book/Tome O' Knowledge. And the crap with Stacy and her Spineless Husband piss me off too-that marriage is OVER, so accept it and go on. Mr. Priscillarw said to me, "Honey, if you had your third affair with a black man and had his baby, I think I'd have to divorce you." Hee.

Anywho, the RRR seems interesting. Dr. Phil is impersonating the drill sargeant from "Full Metal Jacket." "WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY BELOVED CORPS?" "I'M GONNA RIP YOUR HEAD OFF AND SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK!"

I haven't seen today's episode-it's on at 3 here-but co-sleeping is not a big deal. Well, it's somewhat controversial for reasons that I won't get into here, but the bigger issue is how in the hell the parents can get all turned on with the kid right there. Yuck. My 15 month old sleeps with us sometimes (if she's sick) and shagging my hubby while she's in bed with us is the LAST thing on my mind. Yuck. That's just creepy.

I hope Dr. Phil lays into the mom w/ the 13 yo that's having sex w/ an 18 year old. I mean really-how fucked up do you have to be to 1. allow that to go on and 2.Not try to stop it from happening in the first place!!

I have to admit that the cosleeping issue does not fit in with the pet-killing kid, and the Stacy-in-Training 6th grader. But having sex in front of him? Ew. And ew. That to me is borderline child abuse. This is not a newborn, who has very limited understanding of his surroundings- this kid is a year and a half old! And how much fun can sex be with your kid in the bed with you? My bet- missionary position, 3 minutes tops, and much "sshhh, you are going to wake the baby" . Oooh, sexy.

Did I say ewww already? I think that is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen on DP. That disturbs me even more than the other two kids because I was a probation officer and I have seen the classic examples of a bad home life, maybe I am jaded to them. But sex while the kid is in the bed with you? That is a new level of Fucked Up.

Okay (blush) I ranted from the on-line description and not from the actual ep. My bad. (Tivo has it all shiny and waiting for me at home.)

Ick on the having sex with the kid in the same bed. So perhaps my child is not as scarred as I was led to believe!



Borokat, I've been lurking a long time, but you slay me. Hee!

Now that I think about it, you guys are right. Even if the kid is asleep, having sex right there next to him would be too gross for me. And the wife's all "I don't see a problem with it!" Mmmhmm...They should just get up and have sex in the baby's room if she refuses to remove the baby from their bed.

Cultures the world over have engaged in co-sleeping since the beginning of time and have also engaged in extended periods of breast feeding.

And guess what?

THEIR children are FAR healthier and happier then ours because it facilitates bonding between parents and infants at the most primitive of levels also leads to more efficient self-regulation later. I am convinced that most of our ideas about infant care came from body and biology hating Victorian women and/or selfish men who decided that their needs were more important then the baby's. When it comes to early care and attachment this country engages in mass child abuse in pretty much every area of post-natal care.

Now, having sex with your children in the room or in the bed, on the other hand, is completely inappopropriate and will likely traumatize them but clothed adults and children sleeping together is completely natural and completely healthy. If parents want to screw, there are other rooms in the house our hourly motels. It doesn't need to be in front of the kids.

In terms of attachment theory and research, an infant's brain is not mature enough to tolerate extended periods of disconnect, isolation, hunger, fear, frustration, or rage, and it also is not equipped to handle the sensual and aggressive overload it would experience lying next to two parents who were screwing. The first two years of life lay down the foundations of all later mental and biological experience which will then be repeated for the rest of one's life. Considering that brain is in a "record mode" that will have such long lasting effects, it really should be as good an experience as possible.

The only real danger with co-sleeping (where there is no sex) is the baby falling out of bed or getting crushed.

Don't you think that is a bit of a blanket generalization? I was bottle fed and not a cosleeper, and I turned out to be happy, adjusted person with a college degree who has only spent one night in her 26 years in the hospital. Mr. Borokat was bottle fed and not a cosleeper, and he has a graduate degree and has never been hospitalized. I am not saying that cosleeping is wrong, I believe that it is a private choice with both pros and cons.

Also, thanks ShallaHB! I hope that my snark abilities are not related to the fact that I am 9 months pregnant and patience is at an all-time low. I would hate to lose my snark powers once the rugrat arrives!

Nine months preggers! Looking forward with glee to borokat's special 2 A.M. feeding, snarks.

Robbie thanks for looking out for the blue blouse blonde. I really felt sorry for her.

Today's first two segments were really good. I have a bad feeling that there are quite a few families like that out in TV Land and I'm hoping they watched and learned. The mother of the thirteen year old was such a pitiful excuse for a parent. She actually used a little baby talk voice when trying to get her child to drink the wine spritzers instead of the hard liquor.

Ugh, the mom of the 13 year old should have her kid taken away or something for neglect. She's pretty fucking stupid. How can you make it that far in life and be totally clueless?? An 18 year old fucking a 13 year old is never OK, woman!

And the little boy killing the animals? Big surprise there when we saw the way his family is. I hope they can change or else we're looking at another serial killer here.

Its just gross and creepy that the parents of that baby aren't that bothered that they're having sex RIGHT THERE while their kid sleeps. I loved how the dad had such a problem with it, yet as long as he was getting some he was willing to go through it. Hee. ITA with the poster that said they should go have sex in the baby's room, its empty anyway!

If GerbillKiller doesn't get intensive therapy, I can see him abusing/torturing/raping/murdering women because of how all the women in his life have treated him. I pity his first girlfriend.

I was afraid for a moment that DP was going to send that first family off with no assistance. Thank goodness he stepped up to the plate. There is hope for that poor child, but slim! If I had to live with all that hideousness, I'd want to put my gerbil out of its misery, too. (Tongue in cheek, please.)

Second family: you've got to be kidding me. NC being my home state, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't turn up on her doorstep just from seeing her on the show. A former coworker of mine was charged with felony contributing to the delinquency of a minor by allowing his daughter to sit on his lap and steer the car on their own street. They don't play around there. And yes, it's statutory at 13.

Sorry, this momma doesn't co-sleep. Baby Hex is better off not having a mom that resents him for causing her to lose sleep. And that means everyone involved gets plenty of their own space to stretch out and sleep well.

ETA: edited since at first it sounded like I turned the poor boy in.

Ugh.

I wanted to punch Ann The Cool Mom in the face. I was more worried about the poor cat in the room with the retard daughter and her white trash boyfriend. It's cool if they kill themselves with liquor but if anything happens to that cat, I'm going to go on a rampage.

Ann's sickly, weak voice was comical, too. I was so glad that my parents never did the whole "But I want to be your friend and then I hope I can help you do the right things without having to take a position of authority and bum your trip, man" bullshit.

As for the little boy killing animals, any family with cheekbones and jawlines like that should be sterilized on sight, IMO.

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT TODAY??!!
The entire show was an argument FOR sterilization and having to EARN the right to reproduce.

The psycho sisters and mom with the poor boy.... holy cow! I'm surprised the kid hasn't taken a hostage by now. I can't believe someone doesn't come and take that kid out of that environment. They are RUINING that boy b/c the sisters aren't mature themselves and that grandmother is totally clueless. And what kind of psycho living arrangement is that?? I agree with a previous post about if that kid doesn't get INTENSE therapy, future females in his life are in for total hell.

The second family with spooked mom.... that gal oughta be doin' time for contributing. She's probably afraid to call the cops on the boy b/c they'll take her too. That woman was so sad. You can tell she never had a mom role model and is beyond clueless. If the daughter gets out of her teens w/o a litter of kids and a glovebox full of DUI's, she's destined for a lifetime of therapy & AA meetings.

The last family with the bunkmate baby.... that's just SO wrong on SO many levels.
I can't believe you have to actually tell people stuff like that is not right.
Heaven help us all.....
And btw... I didn't mind DrP yelling at these chumps today b/c when such ignorance affects children, it's a whole different ballgame! Those warped FUF's need to start acting like ADULTS and quit putting their feelings ahead of their kids well being.

Those parents make the clowns on Showbiz Moms & Dads look like the Cleavers.

Segment #1 - My blood ran cold. The twin shrieking harridans have no business being anywhere near children. Period. And if that kid does anything to the dog, I will hunt down those bitches myself.

Segment #2 - What's worse than being an orphan? Having someone like Ann as a mother.

Segment #3 - Paging Dr. Freud...

Amen! Frighteningly, I was actually agreeing with Shill for most of today's show.

I almost feel sorry for the future Jeff Dahmer. Watching the video of his homelife made my stomach knot up and I'm waaayyyy older than 9 and don't have to actually live there. No excuse for his animal abuse, but geez, no excuse for Mom, Auntie and Grandma's behavior. They say they love him yet torture him, he probably thinks it's natural to show his love for a pet by doing the same. Sick and sad.

Cool Mom needs an ass-whupping. The older I get the more thankful I am that SiameseCatMom was my mother, not my best bud and didn't budge no matter how awful names I called her. Maybe that's why both my brother and I have college degrees (actually he has a B.A., M.A. and J.D.) and neither of us have needed rehab or done jail time. And isn't 13 a little old for a 6th grader, especially one who is smart and gets good grades?

Altough I personally don't believe in co-sleeping, I don't think there's necesssarily a problem with it with an infant or toddler, but having sex with the kid in the same bed (or even the same room) is really crossing a line! Don't these people have a guestroom or a living room or some room other than where their child is?!

Wow. Today's show was the most disturbing thing I have seen on TV in a good long while. Those people all need their asses whupped much harder than DP gave it to them.

I was relieved to see on the DP web site that they intend to address the animal safety issues (I went and looked because those people need to have the ASPCA called to get the animals out of there.) That little boy needs Happy Hill Farm as much or more than Michael of FUF#2 -- I hope that one DP gets him the hell out of that house so he can start to heal while those insane women try to get healed. I swear, if the twin sister said "We are decent loving people!" one more time, I was going to scream or put my fist through the TV screen or something. Decent loving people do not treat one another like that, and they certainly do not allow animals to be tortured.

Then we have Cool Mom. If I were the parent of one of her kid's friends, I would have her up on contributing to the delinquency charges so fast it would make her head spin. I loathe parents who are more concerned with being a friend to their kids than being a parent. Screw her.

I am so unimpressed with the father who thinks that the whole co-sleeping and sex-in-bed-with-the-baby is wrong, but he forgets his principles just to get a little nookie. Creep.

No kidding.... they all gave me the creeps big time!
My initial thought was it must be pretty bad when before they show your video story, DrP has to warn the audience that parts are disturbing.... .the same line Oprah used an hour later in reference to a freak that held women hostage in his house dungeon!

Those three witches that little boy was having to tolerate need serious professional attention. Their behavior was WAY over the edge and I can not imagine any responsible adult in a position to help, leaving him in that environment.
There is no doubt some sick, sick history going on with those three.
No doubt if the video was full of him being physically abused, outrage would ensue.
But the fact that it's mental abuse seems to leave room for and time for promises of getting help. Having worked with abuse victims, SICK people like those three witches are NOT going to change their ways any time soon.
If there was ever a little guy who needed prayer......

If this week is any indication of the rest of sweeps on DrShill, i'm gonna have one happy snark month! Boy howdy...I'm giddy just thinking about SuperSkankStacy & then the HomoHubbie...whoowhee...

But to today's parenting disasters (as for me, the cosleeping couple was on the wrong episode & the producers need to lose the pervy captioning)... Just wild how clueless these folks were.

The Hamster Homicide family? That poor kid. What made me so sad was that he does fine when he's out of the house. That JerrySpringer Smackdown of a family is the problem. Screaming about who went to the Sam's Club?! And Gramma in her glamor wig from the ZsaZsa collection?! Sitting on her rented TeeVeeWatchin'Chair while the kid plays with the empty luggage (itself potentially hazardous to small children let alone domesticated rodents)?! Get the kid out of there & to someone who can show the kid some simple respect, empathy & humanity...

And that Ann? Make that woman sit down and watch the movie Thirteen... Such a disaster already set to boil. Sadly, Ann wouldn't recognize a clue; i don't think she's gonna suddenly get one...

That bitch was the one who said she was reacting to what the kid had said or done, wasn't she? She was so much like a domestic abuser blaming the victim. She also told him she was going to kick his teeth in. Did they ever say why they were all living together and where the father (of the boy or of the bitches) was? It's no wonder that poor kid is killing/hurting animals and could grow up to do much worse. Those women have destroyed his life with their screaming, name-calling, abusive behaviors.

I hated the "cool mom" and I hope someone reports her. "What do I do if she runs away then?" -- Bitch, you keep her in the house and don't give her booze, cigarettes, and drugs, and don't let her have sex. Take her to school and pick her up. If the girl is admitting to oral sex, having been a teen once myself, there's no telling what she's NOT admitting to. The permissiveness is not working either. Buy her wine coolers and let her have those, and then what? -- She doesn't want those, she wants the hard stuff. Seriously, that woman needs to get help for herself and her daughter.

I don't have a problem with co-sleeping, but the sex part was icky. It reminded me of D.L. Hughley in "Kings of Comedy" -- "You get off of my mama!" My youngest son is 15 months old and a light sleeper who wakes up alert and curious. If the husband does have a problem with it, why doesn't he just say "Either put the baby in the crib, let's go to another room, or shut up and go to sleep because I'm not doing it here with the baby in this bed"?

These people make me look normal.

When I wondered why co-sleeping daddy let Wife #2 even consider co-sleeping when he had objected to it with Wife #1, Mr. lls59 said "'cause he was getting some from her!" Those people were odd - robot wife kept saying "what's the big deal?" and "our marriage is fine!" when clearly, robot husband was saying "it's a big deal 'cause look at my weird older kids," and "no, our marriage is in trouble already!" DrP was remarkably easy on them, probably because there is so much credible info pro-co-sleeping, but I don't think robot wife got it at all....

And the loving, decent, big-hearted family showed it really well - "I went to Sam's Club last, you see you next tuesday, but I love you!" "No, I went, you f***ing bitch, I love you too!"

New definition of Hell: Sealed in eternity with Stacy.

Stacy will never get it. Whenever she's feeling defensive she starts to cry and list all her past "sins" to explain why she'll never get past it all. ("How long must I wear this Scarlett Letter?") She doesn't realize that people are willing to forgive her past if she would just quit being such a total bitch in the here and now. Who watches their husband and little boy play together and feels [ijealous[/i]?

I hate, hate, hate to hear cheaters talk as though they're smarter than the cheated upon person. Listen Stacy, you didn't get away with your affairs because Chris was clueless, you got away with it because he didn't have a crystal ball showing his wife acting like a skanky whore. Do you really think it takes "balls" to have an affair? All it takes is a childish lack of impulse control and big hole in the brain where morals are supposed to go. Fed up with FUF2.

That whacked Mom from Carolina? The one who is afraid that if she acts like a parent, her kid will run away? The same one who lets other kids stay over at her house 10 nights out of 14 without making sure their parents know where they are? What a stupid hypocrite. If her kid stayed somewhere-who-knows-where 10 nights in a row, would she not consider that her kid had run away? What is she doing, helping other kids do the thing she is the most afraid of her own kid doing?

The hamster mom is just too awful for words. Her entire family is fucked up. That poor child needs a new home and the mom needs her freaking tubes tied. Did anyone else notice how the grandma never got off her ass? I just wanted to slap them all.

This story immediately brought to mind the HBO (I think America Undercover series) story called "A Boy's Life". It's been running recently. Ostensibly, it's about a seriously troubled 7-year-old, who kills cats and dogs and runs amok and destroys things. But he's an "A-Honor Roll" student and good Boy Scout and the school and the school psychiatrist believe he's fine. As you get further and further into the story, it is hinted that the boy is perfectly normal, but the Freakshow Grandmother may be using Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy to create the illusion that he is the devil's spawn.

The good news is that in the right environment, the HBO boy flourished. We can only hope for the same for Hamster-Boy.

I am confused about today's show. Was Chris' big, "deep, dark secret" revealed when he said that he thought that he might be driven to cheat on Stacy in the future? That's it? He thinks that he might cheat? One day? Zzzzzz....

I thought it was refering to when Stacy said he had (a) one night stand(s) while they were seperated. I'm too pissed with Shill to pay attention. I'm sorry, but unless that skank is willing to repent of the trouble she brings, no one will be able to move on. There's a reason 90% of therapists agree that the past needs to be dealt with before they move on.

Why does Stacy need for Chris to track her like OnStar? Stupid woman.

I used to work for OnStar as a representative back in 98 before anyone knew what OnStar was, so your comment cracked me up. We used to get calls all the time from people considering buying the Caddies who were worried their husbands/wives would be able to track their activites and would catch them with their pants down. We could track whoever we wanted (I spent a lot of free time finding out where in Sherman Oaks Donnie Whalberg was, for instance. I giggled like a maniac during my single opportunity to talk to him and he hung up on me, poor guy. It was a sad, sad day for me when he sold his Escalade.) but didn't give out locations to anyone but the cops, and then only if the airbag had been deployed or the alarm went off.

Chris is afraid he 'might' have an affair? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Ok, you can be afraid that your plane might crash or that you'll get struck by lightening. But being afraid you'll have an affair is like being afraid you might climb a tree. You have absolute control over wheather you do or don't, there's nothing to be afraid of. He's trying to scare Stacey and she's laughing in his face. Really, as horrible as she is, she should be with someone smarter, trashy but not stupid- that girl. Can't blame him though for not wanting to be 'sealed' and to end out with the ho in the afterlife. I hightailed it to google to find out what sealing is.

When Chris said Stacey was multifaceted and many-layered like an onion, was I the only one who yelled out "onions have layers, ogres have layers. Why not a parfait? Parfait got layers and every body like a parfait!" And like a parfait, everyone's had a taste of her....

WORD PissyMissy! Oh, and you owe me a new keyboard. Skanky Stacy is my new object of hatred. I love that I can yell at her and Shill at the same time. You know, cuz I like to multitask like that.

[ot] I knew what OnStar was in '98. I worked in the automotive services industry and I had a friend who was involved in the development. Shame on Mark Wahlburg for getting rid of Escalade and depriving you of someone to stalk er, watch over. [/ot]

Most hilarious part of today's show - Skanky Stacey saying "being sealed is the next level of being married in the Mormon church, it's a commitment for ETERNITY" and in the next breath, "we couldn't get sealed when we first got married because I was already sealed and I had to get unsealed..."

Yea, eternity. Or divorce, whichever comes first....

Yeah, I totally was cracking up at the whole "I don't like him and he's stupid and he has no balls but lets get married FOREVER." As a former Mormon, I know that you have to have worthiness interviews before you can attend the temple or be sealed and I just can't imagine her bishop (a pastor) signing off on that.

I thought the sealing thing was absurd because Stacy claimed that she wouldn't marry Chris at all if she knew then what she knows now. To me, that's basically the same as saying she regrets their marriage. But she wants to get sealed for all eternity? I guess it's not that big a deal to her since she sees it as reversible, anyway.

Agreed, Groovy Girl. My good friend had a temple ceremony and it was quite the ordeal to get approved, despite the fact that she's basically the ideal Mormon. I laughed at the thought of Stacey passing her interviews.

Also, I shouldn't be surprised at Dr. Phil's inconsitency, but why did Marty have to "put all his card on the table", with the revelation of talking to the other woman at the gas station, but Stacey got a free pass on confessing her sins?

I also looked up "sealing" and "unsealing" Mormon marriages, and found this (I have a feeling this site is anti-Mormon but I wasn't able to find anything officially sanctioned):



If that is indeed the case, I have a hard time believing that Stacy would be able to "seal" her marriage to Chris. It sounds even tougher than having a Catholic marriage annulled.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought it was odd that Skanky thought Chris should have the ol' GPS implanted in her lady parts so he could track her at any given moment. Geez, Skanky, granted you are a 'ho and Chris shouldn't trust you out of his sight, but what the hell kind of relationship can you have if he doesn't even try to trust you and you don't even try to earn that trust.

I actually feel sorry for Chris after Skank's "dude, doesn't have a clue" comment about him. Man, for someone who wants to work on her marriage and get sealed in the church and all, Skanky sure has an odd way of showing it. She admits Hubby #2 was "too nice" and treated her too well and that's why she dumped him. And honestly, it seems like Chris is a nice enough guy although maybe not the sharpest guy (he hooks up with the Skank she's married and then quelle surprise - she cheats on him when they get married!). I really think they should split and Chris can find a nice normal woman and maybe have some happiness and Skanky can find an abusive SOB who will make her life the living hell that she's made Chris' (and probably Hubby #2 as well). Skanky makes me ashamed to be a woman and ashamed to be a homo spaien. She just needs to be sterilized, her children given to their respective fathers, and then she can go out and pursue the life she wants - maybe she can even get into porn when they start shooting again so she can have a career she loves and indulge in her favorite hobby to her heart's content.

I saw a bit of today's show with Chris and Stacey. I'm not sure what to make of the couple, but I do know I'm sick of DP attributing disfunction to a lack of positive gender roles. Every time he starts up with what a good husband or wife should be, or what makes a man or woman, or the fact that the guest didn't have positive mother/father role models, I just sigh and roll my eyes. I do not define myself by my gender. My gender has less than 1% to do with what I do and nothing to do with who I am. I didn't have particularly good role models growing up but I was able to rise above it. I think DP should focus more on being a good person instead of being a good man/woman. Does DP really want Chris and Stacey to fix their relationship by identifying with their gender? Can you imagine what kind of problems would result? Their relationship may be better but they still wouldn't know what to do outside of a marriage. If something were to happen to either one of them (through death, or whatever) the other would be left feeling lost and confused. "If I'm not a husband/wife, what am I?"

I wonder, though, if DP would focus so much on this if he weren't speaking to people who claim to have a religiously- based ideal of marriage. I say this becuase, as a semi-fundamentalist, I've sat through lots of sermons and Sunday school classes about the male and female roles in a marriage. But just becuase I buy into them thanks to my religious beliefs (my pastor is female, btw, and totally a feminist-for-Jesus) doesn't mean others would. I hope DP is making that distinction and talking all this "be a man" business because its how he knows they want to operate their marriage.

I think I yelled "A compost heap also has layers". Not sure why that sprang to mind in regards to Skankcy...

Also loved it when she threatened "I'm just going to care about me". Like you ever did anything else, lady. FUF#2 needs to put us out of our misery and end it already.

Stacey was so clever by giving Dr. Phil her box of sins and making herself vulnerable once again.

The girl is definitely smart enough to realize how to play this sexist fool.

Actually, aside from his relentless propogation of gender stereotypes, I thought he did a half-way decent job with them today and I tended to agree with much of his diagnosis. They really never did form a solid relationship before starting their family. Obviously, a solid relationship isn't exactly what Robin and Phil model either as their's is a solid dictatorship/monarchy with he being King and her being his adoring Queen. Hardly an egalitarian relationship! This may sound shallow, but I REALLY wish Chris would get his nose fixed, because the crookedness of it pisses me off. BTW, did anyone else see Monica's Extreme Make-Over last night? In a word... WOW.

Anyway, PP's approach of "forget the past" and "start with today" has some merit in certain situations, because sometimes, after enough trauma, if you've come to understand it and have analyzed it enough, you do have to just let it go and move on. I mean, considering how much shit they are buried under they really need to work to get basically clear and then psychoanalyze later.

Moving along...

I still think it's all kinds of psychotic that Erin is dumping Marty over something so trivial and that PP is enabling her. Sorry guys, talking to an Ex-Ho, in public, at a gas station and then not mentioning it is not cheating and it's certainly not worthy of being thrown out of the house. I can't for next week to see if it's as nuts as I expect it will be.

Doubtlessly, PP will be there with his usual mantra of:

"Women are really girls and all girls come are from Tara and all REAL MEN are Promise Keepin' Christians (We Promise to Keep Patriarchally Oppressing Y'all Girls!) from the Lord's Salt Mines!"

Dr. Phil is over the shark. Before next season ends we will have the parade of obese babies, the hysterical teenagers unabled to pin down which of fifteen half-wit guys fathered her baby and lotsa lotsa lip-smacking make overs. Where is that menacing Phil who shadowed Oprah at her Big Beef trial, dispensing sage advice to our heroine while snarling at the paparazzi. RIP Tell It Like It Is Phil. We hardly knew ye.

I actually thought yesterday’s FUF episode was interesting, constructive and very humane. He let them finish their sentences, talk about their feelings and ask legitimate questions about what he wanted them to do.

Did you all see the preview? The “finale” of FUF in three weeks? I really thought the family was trying to work with him. Yesterday they seemed to do so well. So I wonder why he is booting them early? They got so much less time than FUF1.

And speaking of…next week’s FUF1 is a two-parter spilling onto Friday’s show. The clip had a dramatic close-up of Dr. Phil saying “I will drive you to the courthouse myself.” Which, come to think of it, has some interesting double entendre going on.

Haven’t seen today’s show yet, but I have a transsexual relative and this is sort of a pet issue of mine. If Dr. Phil screws this up, he shall feel my wrath.

Is the FUF ending because DP is finally kicking them out (yay) or because it is the end of the season? Do talk shows have season finales, etc. like primetime?

I hope that Phil is terminating the broadcasted part of their therapy so that they might get real, intense help. There are just too many issues involved and time is wasting. Now Stacy wants to take a side trip into her sugar cravings. You're pregnant, Stacy. Once the baby comes and you're still driving with a can of frosting between your thighs THEN it'll be an issue.

I want to find the kernel of good in Phil's approach but I can't, because he seems to have such antiquated ideas. Phil Donahue we by God listened to with an open mind because you knew that he was (and is) a feminist. He really was a consciousness raiser in a time when information was so slowly disseminated.

Do we, in the 21st century, still need a Phil to lead us out of the wilderness? Nay. (And this couple therapy business is akin to witnessing childbirth. Very positive, very good,but please close the damn door).

I thought that from the neck up, she looked like an over the hill Hollywood starlet (they bleached her hair blonde and as is typical for EM, she was wearing tons of makeup for her reveal), but her body was unbelievable. WOW indeed. She went down to a size six after the lipo. And even though initially I felt her having a breast enlargement was a bit silly -- I mean, I can understand getting rid of the loose skin after a large weight loss, but I didn't really think she needed bigger boobs -- I have to say that when she came out at the end, she had the PERFECT hourglass figure.

As for the end of FUF2... I also figured that it was the end of the season. Didn't DP go into reruns for a couple months last summer? Whatever will I do with my late afternoons? (sniff) I hope that even without new shows to snark on, we will continue to meet here! If nothing else, I want to hear about li'l borokat!

"Extreme" marriages my ass! Today's guests had the most healthy relationships I've ever seen on Dr. Phil. Wish he would have taken the opportunity to discuss alternative families, but that is obviously too much to ask from a simple country boy like Phil. Snerk.

I don't think that the gay man married to the straight woman had a particularly healthy relationship. I think they liked and respected one another, as well as loving each other, but there were some really important issues that they weren't talking about. So I would say, I guess, that this relationship was healthy in a lot of ways, but had a big time bomb in the middle of it. You can defuse time bombs and stay married and be happy, but not if you can't say what you are really afraid of.

The couple with the post-op MTF? It did indeed seem to be a very healthy relationship. I wish that DP would be more open to alternative families, but I thought on the whole he did a good job with this one. He did emphasize that the children would be able to handle it, and assured the daughters that their father (who is now a woman) is not in any way a danger to their children.

I thought that DP underplayed the importance of the fact that the young man married to the older woman is reluctant to correct people's misapprehension.

But, yeh, all these people were healthier with themselves and with one another than most of the people DP normally drags onot his stage of humiliation.

Yeah the gay man/straight woman was weird. He said he enjoyed kissing his wife, was fulfilled in every way with her, but liked sex with men. Sounded bisexual to me, but I didn't hear anything about sex with his wife, just kissing. Although they do have a son so something happened. I still don't know what to make ofthose two. Thought Phil did a good job there.

The old woman/young man couple was kind of creepy, but I admit I was yelling "You go girl!" to the TV. You always see these old creepy bastards with youuuung women. Finally the other way around and I'm glad Phil brought that up.

I admit fully that I completely don't understand the trans whatever guy. I get what they're saying about feeling like the opposite sex, but the guy looked ridiculous in women's clothing. I dunno, pure ignorance on my part.

Great show though, this was actually very interesting to watch and pretty educational I must say.

Grandpa Victor/Victoria looked like John Lithgow in The World According to Garp.