Ha! I should do that sometime. Or throw darts at it.

I can't believe that I used to think that this show was so great. I LOVED the first episode where he tortured that one woman by playng a clip of her telling her son to shut up over and over again.

The thing that really irked me about the WLC show was the amount of weight Dr. Phil was encouraging these people to lose. I think(from a quick visit to the website) that the person with the slowest weight loss has still lost like 50 lbs.
50lbs in 8 months is a perfectly healthy amount to lose. It's about a pound a week.
And they are "failures"? Shut up, Dr. Shill. Judging from the preview where he calls out these "failures", I'm going to have to restrain myself from throwing something at the tv the next challenge show.

I agree, Cookie Mobster! That really pissed me off when I heard DP (or one of his minions) tell Marilyn(?) she could've lost 144 pounds by now! She's already lost 70 freaking pounds. That's a huge deal and she should be getting nothing but encouragement from DP. Even a loss of 10% of body weight has significant health benefits.

I stand corrected on my point number one. Until now I had gotten the impression that some of the WLC's had only lost a few pounds.

Thanks for the Weight Watchers recommendations, I have always heard good stuff about them and if the local chapter ever has a meeting time I can deal with (not 6 A. M.) I plan to give it a try. I need structure darn it!
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If he really makes people slap each other I don't think I can watch that.

I just watched today's show, and I was sort of thinking that it would be cool if one of our own TWOPpers went on to "Debate Dr. Phil" -- but the deck is so stacked, everyone who appears winds up looking like a total wacko. The way they film them "talking back" to their TV sets (could that be more staged), DP is always armed with tons of clips, etc. I did get a chuckle out of the segment with the guy who thought the FUFs were "train wrecks," though. They even illustrated it with a little train wreck animation. Heh.



One of my "jobs" is dressing Mr. loudfan, who is so style impaired that he wishes they made Garanimals for adults, for work. You know how long it takes? Probably 2 minutes, tops. I don't think I could spin it into a full-time gig, more's the pity... but then again, Robin needs a LOT of free time for all of those eyebrow waxing appointments, Botox injections, shopping for leopard print shoes on Rodeo Drive, etc.

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percolata - I'm on South Beach. It tends more towards substitutions then outright banning things. It doesn't play the Food is Bad game, and it allows for you to have nights where you can say, "It's my birthday, screw this, I'm getting cake and ice cream." It's not for everyone and sugar withdrawal is a bitch but it's worth looking into. It's supposed to be a "lifestyle change", where ultimately you might go off SB entirely but you have learned healthy eating and better patterns, etc.[/ot]

Debate Dr. Phil Day:

I couldn't decide if the woman from the pregnancy clinic was one of those Abstinence Only! Give Your Body To Jesus And Not Some Filthy Boy! types or not. And let me say, if I'm scared and 15 and pregnant, and some woman is going, "Well, do you ENJOY sex, you little tramp?" I'm probably not going to go, "Yes! I love it! I looooooooove getting fucked."

("OK, then, one pregnancy test for the little harlot...")

I agree that they should be explaining to Alex that sex is not really a good idea (she's obviously not mature enough for it) but I'm not sure she's GOING to stop, and in the interim she needs to be on the pill pronto. And maybe this woman was just saying that she's seen too many teens not realize they're worth more than just some guy who abuses them and uses them sexually - but I got a creepy vibe from her.

I must say, I gained some respect for Dr. Phil (ducks the tomatoes ;) ) when he mentioned that he knows Stacy is being manipulative and isn't getting sucked into her drama. Here I thought he was just shnookered.

And I absolutely couldn't understand what the deal was with the last guest. Weren't they both saying the same thing? I guess she was saying it was selfless of the birth mom to give up her adoptive son, but maybe the mom was one of those people going, "Oh, crap, I have things to do, I'M not raising this baby." And also adopting a baby in need is more selfless than selling your house and going broke in order to go for the 17th round of in vitro attempts.

I've been waiting a week and a half to hear Marty actually come out and fess up that he's screwing around (that has to be it, doesn't it?) and I'm getting impatient. I want to see some drama here, peoples! Erin better dump his ass. That's television right there. Not if they agree to Try Again - partly because, hello, waste of time, and partly because, well, if they're going to be a train wreck, I want it to be a big, steaming, drama-filled pile of train wreck. Divorce him, Erin! Someone should storm into the green room sobbing. Someone should throw cushions. They should all bitch-slap one another.

I'm going to hell. Anybody want some popcorn?

I did enjoy Richard and his take on the FUFs and of course, his description of DP as wiggedy, wiggedy whack! I think we should change the topic title to Dr. Phil - He's Wiggedy, Wiggedy Whack!

I think we should see just how brave DP is. How 'bout he brings ALL the TWOP Dr. Phil forum out and let us debate him en masse. Richard would look like his biggest fan.

I couldn't figure out about the Pregnancy Center Woman either. One of the few things I think DP had right was when he said that after having sex multiple times with more than one partner Alex is not gonna go back to holding hands and sipping sodas at the malt shop. That girl definitely needs to be on birth control - even if I thought she wasn't currently sexually active.

Bellemmers stop it! My sides hurt from laughing!

Wow! I'm so glad to see all this Dr. Phil hate. I haven't watched him for awhile, but I saw some of today's show. What was that woman rambling on about adoption being selfish and giving up your child selfless? Wasn't that the biggest waste of tv space? Who was disagreeing?

As for the WLC, the sad fact is they'll probably gain their weight back. I don't mean to sound mean about it, but I've been there, and the research shows that people don't diet successfully. I'm in agreement about the food nazi thing. Dr. Phil's weight loss plan is in la la land. Moderation and body acceptance are what we need to learn. We need to get over the fact we are not going to look like the girls from Friends--or at least I do:)

As for Dr. Phil's families--okay FUF? What does that stand for? I think I know....-- I have advice for the slutty Mormon Mommy Machine: get your tubes tied, get divorced, leave the church, and lead your lifestyle--just don't drag anymore hubbies or children into it.

I don't know - I kind of agree with PCW on this. Putting Alex on the pill is not only giving her 'permission' - it's also telling her that she can't be trusted and probably can't control herself. Which is likely true, but if you expect bad behavior, that's what you're going to get.

My solution? Take her off the pill, tell her that she is expected to have responsibility for her actions - then grind them up and put them in her orange juice. Bst of both worlds; Alex believes that she is expected to behave in a mature manner, and that there's no safety net - but we're not going to wind up with another pregnancy. Might be a good preventative strategy for Katherine, too.

Actually, I think I like your solution better, Lara_2113. Of course I've often wanted to grind up Valium (or something stronger) and put it in the coffee pot where I work.

Edited because a comma and a period are not the same thing!

This is a tough one. Even DP said he was conflicted on this. I think PCW was more worried about STDs, but not one person said "condoms". At least I didn't hear it....were they afraid the FCC'd get 'em? IMO Alex is not going to stop trying to find validation via boys, certainly not while Marty is still in her life. I think she should have the pill, an economy gross of condoms, and have her legs glued together, but that's just me.

Richard was good, I just wish DP had listened for two seconds. The FUFs are NOT making progress and I also don't want to learn a damn thing from them.

(tabistevens, as you suspect, it's Fucked Up Family (1 and 2).)

I was with Richard about Dr. Phil's constant parade of Fucked Up Families until he said "wiggedy, wiggedy whack". "Wiggedy, wiggedy wack"? Sweetie this is not the early 90's; pack up your Kriss Kross Cd's and join the rest of us in the 21rst Century. I missed the first seven minutes of the show but I came in when the lady in the pink shirt was complaining about Dr. Phil's "me man, me no understand" policy. Dr. Phil of course was trying to discredit her but I loved her. I loved her so much that I wanted to run off with her and have dozens of turkey baster babies who would grow up to take responsibility for their actions, regardless of their gender. PCW had a point about STD's but she lost it along the way and I was tuning out "Women who give up children for adoption are HEROES!" woman. I found Robin's reaction to the myth about her getting her own show things hilarious ("They're just making lies about little ol' me"). Lady, in the history of tabliod lies this doesn't even make the top 1,000. These are tabloids, they don't play in the game of subtlty. Saying they have pictures of you performing in a gangbang behind the local OTB with three transvestites and two underage youths (who love you 'cause you're the only girl in town who can give head and smoke a cigarette at the same time) while simultaneously receiving botox injections from your secret lesbian lover is a tabloid worthy lie. Saying you're getting your own show is not.

From the "This Will Never Happen in a Batrillion Years" file: Wouldn't you love to see a Dr Phil Q & A program where he was not forewarned of the topics and therefore not prepared with a ream of "I'll be winning this one" material? I would like to see him caught off stride & left gape-mouthed as he fumbled for an answer. (Think President & Presidential candidates with that "Do what now?" look). When "unapproachable" well-knowns get to put together their responses ahead of time they get to be disengenuous, slick. I want to see Phil turn into Cletus, The Slack Jawed Yokel, not just SOUND like him.

Irate viewer: Dr Phil, you HATE women don't you?
Phil Yokel: You know my Daddy always said that jus' because a possum puts on a porkpie hat it don't mean it knows how to play poker.
Irate viwer: The fuck?

UNBELIEVABLE!

That entire episode was one giant worship-fest at the altar of Patriarch Phil (PP). However, I'm grateful for the hypocrisy because it afforded me the opportunity to get out and sharpen my knife collection and fling one blade after another...

The Woman Who Feels He's Too Easy On Men is a woman after my own heart! Her verbiage is a little different from mine -- and she was a little shrill and over the top -- but she's basically bitching to him about the same stuff and her points were on target and on the money. Don't you just love how PP always brings in extremists (of personality) to make PP look like the calm, rational, moderate, and moral voice of the country?

Anyway, she TOTALLY NAILED PP TO THE WALL on that one!

Q1: Did anyone notice how PP's "defense material" consisted of clips from shows with husbands who cheat? Umm... yes... interesting smoke-screen... but what about how about all the faithful men who don't cheat but are EMOTIONALLY MESSED UP & UNDERDEVELOPED, that's right PP, the men that that EVIL FEMINIST FROM THE DREADED NORTHEAST actually came on your third-rate crap-fest show to complain about, you know, that conservative male demographic, that you are clearly so VERY reticent to criticize on national television?

Q2: Did anyone notice how PP mugged to the camera and snidely remarked that she'd never be on her own talk show?

Q3: Did anyone notice how they made sure to show her putting her screaming and distressed baby into his crib to deliver The Usual Conservative Message Of:

"You see, THIS is what happens to men and boys when you have one of those evil thinking and feeling and independent feminists for a Wife and Mommy who dare to challenge Patriarch Phil to expect better from men!"

The Guy Who Complains About The FUF Families and how they make him fear marriage -- in the GRAND TRADITION established by Pseudo-Phobic Classical Pianist Woman -- clearly came on the show with the intent to self-promote and for no other reason. Chris Rock 2.0 was pretty funny though. The irony is that his clips should have been shown to the 1st woman as they would have bolstered her points and shown what pitiful little PP has done to force men to grow.

All Birth Mothers Are Heroes Woman and Fucked-Up Faux Family Planning Facilitator (Who is a bitter, conflicted, sexless, and undesirable cow!) were obviously brought aboard to power PP's relentless Pro-Life Campaign.



Could. Not. Stop. Laughing.



Had. To. Call. The. Paramedics.

Word, word, oh yeah, and WORD Bellemmers!

Let's examine Alex's choices, shall we?

1) Stay at home on a Saturday night reading the Bible and tit-feeding Nathan.

2) Go to the mall or the movies with the girls and their harmless gay male friends.

3) Have hot sweaty multi-orgasmic sex with her muscle-bound boyfriend who's probably hung like a farm animal and lovingly gives her hot beef injections with his 12 inch cyllinder whenever she wishes and fills up the emptiness inside left by both her healthy and natural sexual instincts plus whatever emotional emptiness has been left by her father.

Why is it that so many people who come on this show can't deal with the fact that young people LIKE TO HAVE SEX?

That it FEELS GOOD to have some guy to ride through the night, that it FEELS GREAT to have someone passionately writhing about inside you, and that it's wonderful to be with someone else? The sexual act itself releases brain MANY pleasing chemicals in the brain, it's more then just about reaching orgasm, it's also about connecting!

Sex feels good and is good.

Responsible birth control is a good thing, it can help stop the spread of disease, and it has GREATLY reduced the number of abortions though abortion must remain available and legal to women no matter what!

The only thing that's bad are unsafe sex, unwanted children born into misery and poverty, complications from disease and pregnancy, and poorly selected sexual, relational, marital, and parenting partners.

As far as I'm concerned, where there will be no adverse effects, all women not seeking to get pregnant should be on hormonal birth control from the moment they become fertile until the moment fertility ends and should have Morning After Pills readily available.

Wednesday: People too dumb to raise kids.

Mother of the Tae Kwon Do Devil Girl doesn't believe in discipline for children because she doesn't think it's right to call kids "Chump" or "Loser". I must have missed that chapter in my Dr. Spock. They both need parenting classes but I don't know how Dr. Phil expects the father to risk his job so that he can spend more time with the family. Being unemployed won't help the situation.

Today's show makes me sad and creeps me out a bit.

I love how these people come on the show acting like it is all their children's fault, and then DP lays the smackdown that alot of their problems (most) stem from environment. Kids don't live in a vacuum. They learn their behavior from their parents. And all they need to do is kick Great-Grandma (WTF was up with THAT?) in the head once and if they don't get jerked up for it, they are going to eventually do it again. Sidebar: if I had ever even RAISED MY voice at my dear Grandmother, there would not be a Borokat here typing on the computer because a. my parents would have killed me and buried me in the yard or b. I would have died from shame because Grandmother Borokat was AWESOME.

I grew up with a sister who has ADD and a hell of a temper. I could see alot of her in these kids. Yes, she blew up alot and yes, my mom let her get away with alot because she blamed herself for sis's disorder. I don't blame these parents completely, but alot of parents are completely unprepared for raising a child with learning disabilities and behavioral disorders, like my parents were. But that is no excuse for not dealing with it, or acting like it is your child's problem, you are innocent in your parenting, and they are the BAD SEED. That is what annoys me about these parents.

So true. Kicking/punching a pregnant Mom? Leaving knives out and treatening to kill the family while they sleep? These children need intensive therapy -- not visits/trips to the Dr.Shill show.

(But Maury had a better show with the same topic.)

Whoa! Just when I thought these shows were getting boring, up pops Mr. Wiggedy! Just caught his rant and not much else of this show and thought...if Shill allowed THIS to be aired...what in HELL did he edit out. We all know his editing dept. works overtime.

Also caught a bit of Saint Mommy who adopted a HERO's baby. WTF? Pointless.

Looking forward to today's show. Smack Grandma? Are you kidding? I would have ended up in Kansas and I don't live in Kansas.

Thanks for the laughs, everyone!

What is up with kids hitting adults and getting away with it? Even little kids. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. My friend was at our mutual friend's house and MF's 3 year old slapped my friend in the face and MF said nothing. Shocking- and I don't throw that word around a lot.

I also don't throw the overused "hero" around much, either. Sorry, but unless you throw yourself on a landmine for me, rescue me from the Swamp Thing or otherwise put yourself in harm's way for me, you ain't a "hero". Even though I had great parents, I am reluctant to call them "heroes;" I hope the title of great parent is lauded and sufficient.

One problem with this is that there is not really any way to predict in advance when there will be adverse effects. Another problem with this is that it fails to take into account the fact that for many women, it's entirely possible to have a completely satisfying sex life without running the risk of getting pregnant. I am sick to death of health practitioners involving me in the following conversation:

Random doctor: Are you sexually active?
Sorch: Absolutely!
Random doctor: What form of birth control do you use?
Sorch: I'm a lesbian.
Random doctor: Well, let's put you on the pill just in case.

Just in case, what?

I was a fan of Richard and his comments about how the FUF aren't getting better. Then he said something like, "I don't want to have to come here after my fifth affair. I want you to teach me how not to have the first affair." Say WHAT????

In other words, Richard seems to be saying that watching Dr. Phil is teaching him to be a cheatin' husband. Or something.

That was one of Ted Bundy's earliest instances of psychotic behavior. He threatened his sister continually as soon as he could form sentences. At the age of three, he snuck into his sister's room and put knives under the sheets in her bed whilst she slept. He was hoping that she would roll over onto the blades and murder herself.

There is very strong suspicion that Ted was killing as early as 15. Writer Ann Rule, who was friends with Ted throughout his life, believes that he killed a little girl who was on his paper route. Her murder has never been solved.



To my mind, in the past week we as a planet got a sterling example of what it means to be a hero: Pat Tillman, the young man who turned down millions of dollars to play NFL football so he could be an Army Ranger in Afghanistan. Of course, we all know he was killed in the line of duty.

Tillman is a hero for how he lived his life, not for how he died. He personified quiet dignity and honor. All who knew him said he was courageous and noble, and what's more, he was never a braggart. When he made his decision to quit football, he called no press conferences, gave no interviews to Larry King.

Or appeared on Dr. Shill, telling everyone what a "hero" he is.

Now see, this is where I was totally with Richard. My translation is: show me some healthy relationships that I can learn from so that I never wind up like the FUFs. He did mention that the shows lacked balance.

Then again, I'm sure the Shills believe that watching them is all you'd need to become fulfilled (rich) and happy (rich) in your marriage and home life (mansion).



Do you have any idea how bad it hurts to snort tuna salad through your nose? Huh? Do ya? That's brilliant.

Heh, we are dealing with TOMH jr hitting right now. He's 3 and he's just starting to discover that when he gets mad that there's something he can do about it. All kids hit, it's a fact of life. The point is to stop them and teach them that it's not right. If you don't teach kids very early on that it's wrong to hit, they will never learn it. We just tell our little guy that hitting is not ok and then he gets a time out (or we stop whatever fun thing he happened to be doing at the time, this works pretty well for us).

I remember reading about Pat Tillman when he left the NFL a couple of years ago. As soon as I saw the headline last week, I recognized him- so sad, so sad.

Some of DP's guests have serious problems (like the ones today), but alot of them also have trivial bullshit that can be solved with a swift kick to the ass. Why can't these people step outside their lives, and realize that they have it pretty damn good, especially compared to the Tillman family, who is burying their son this week.

Major Borokat pet peeve: people who don't realize/ are grateful for what the DO have.

I feel VERY divided about this "hero business" especially when it comes to our activities in the Middle East, and I feel this way largely because I just don't feel the current administration REALLY understands or cares about the history, the people, or the geo-politics of the region and as a result are engaging in inflammatory policies and sending young people in to die.

One of those twins that went in together (one of them died) said it best:

"I hate the Government, but I really value the USA."

I TOTALLY respect and support the soldiers, they don't want to be there and most of them are being kept there far longer then was planned, but at the same time, I feel like we're throwing many of their lives away with a lack of proper equipment, license to kill, or a well-informed, cohesive, and comprehensive military-political strategy.

Beyond that, there's still the race and class barrier in that the poor and ethnic minorities are usually the ones who make up much of the lower level military personnel and it's highly unusual for members of the upper-class to volunteer to serve their country in ways that require them to go to the front-line.

As a clinician, I still don't know what to make of Tillman signing-up.

It was either (individually or in some combination):

A) The ultimate act of heroism and patriotism and faith.
B) The ultimate act of naivete.
C) The ultimate act of self-destructiveness.

That boy on the show today freaked me out. He reminded me so much of a five year old kid I used to babysit. One night I was watching TV after putting him and his brand new baby brother to bed, and after an hour or so, heard him rummaging around upstairs. I went to check on him, and found him in the baby's room, in the crib, trying to smother his brother with a pillow. Luckily I got there in time, and the baby was fine, just scared as hell.

I literally threw him back in his bedroom, shut the door, and put a door stop underneath so he couldn't get out, and guarded the baby for the rest of the night. When the parents came home, I told them what happened, and with the same cluelessness as some of these parents showed, they commented that he was just "acting out" some jealousy towards the baby. Hello! He tried to suffocate his own brother!

After that I refused to sit for them anymore. Even at 13 I was smart enough to know that I wasn't going to be held responsible for anything that little demon spawn did. That kid had always creeped me out anyway, and this was my way of getting out of ever having to watch him again. And I won't even start on the father's behavior during the rides home. Toxic family indeed! I still get goosebumps thinking about them.

More WORD!s than a dictionary.

I won't get political here, or go off on how much I loathe the current administration. I will say this: my brother is serving our country along with thousands of other brave soldiers over in Baghdad. Theirs is a distasteful job with living conditions most of us cannot even imagine. What's more, it's an enemy that will never be vanquished by our Western techniques, as it's a religious war for them. My brother had to kill a man about a month ago. He was ambushed by him and my brother shot him and killed him. Brother says he will never forget the look on the man's face. Not sadness or fear. It was defiance. He had just died for his cause, on his way to the 72 virgins in paradise.

The frustrating thing is, the Army brass knows about all of this, but they get their marching orders from higher powers who don't know their ass from their elbow.

These are not people who follow the Geneva Convention, folks. The insurgents in Iraq will do whatever they deem necessary to keep their country from Western "contamination."

Regarding Pat Tillman, I don't know what his motives were exactly, but I do find it noble that he followed his heart, believed in his convictions, and put his money where his mouth is. He was distraught about September 11, and he joined up with his brother. That's worlds away from slapping an Old Glory decal on the SUV and driving to Starbucks, which is what passes for patriotism in this country these days.

It's funny, yet sad: the other day, I was in Safeway. I have a silver peace symbol pinned to my purse. This obnoxious man behind me pointed to it and said sarcastically, "Way to support our troops, lady!" I turned around, looked him right in the eye, and said, "My brother, Private First Class Maggie's Brother, asked me to wear it while he is over in Baghdad." The man seemed to melt on the spot. I couldn't let it go. When it was time for me to leave, I turned to him again. "Isn't the point of warfare to bring about peace, anyway? Since when is peace unpatriotic in this country?"

Topic? Has the Shill done a show on the war and its effects on families yet? If not, he should. Or would it be too controversial, perhaps, in his demographic's eyes?

And one more thing...did my eyes trick me, or did Shill have those couples slapping each other in the face during his new SuperShill It's Not Therapy series? Uh, tell me that it wasn't. Anyone? Because maggiegault has been in a physically abusive relationship with a man. Advocating hitting in any situation is simply not kosher.

Word. My parents would have beat the living daylights out of me if I ever raised my hand to them. My sisters and I were also made aware that grandparents could and would discipline us if needed. The little girl Halyn seriously needs some discipline. Only obeying Dad and not Mom tends to prove that Mom needs to step up to the plate.

As for Mr. Evil Little Boy, okay it is more that just family problems there. He needs serious psychological help before he does turn into Ted Bundy.

You took the words out of my mouth, Hexele! I was sure Phil was going to make some comment along those lines yesterday. I guess we can all applaud his self restraint that he didn't.

maggiegault, it sure looks to me like there's a whole lot of slappin' going on. I wrote here a few days ago about Dr. Phil's show starting to go downhill when he began "upping the ante" -- going from helping people with some personality flaw or single problem ("My wedding day was ruined" or "My friends all say I'm tactless") to these WILDLY dysfunctional families with children. To my mind, this "revolutionary" series is going to take the show to yet another level. Two FUFs aren't enough? How about SIX FUFs, all together on one stage, slapping each other silly! Sheesh -- what's he going to do for a follow-up next season? I can't even imagine.

I can. I imagine that his staff is scouring the country as we speak, looking for a fucked up family...that is also morbidly obese!

Picture Marty and Erin, only weighing in at 600 and 800 pounds each. That, my friends, is the future of the Dr. Phil show.

Actually, MaggieGault, there was a show some months back where PP focused on the war and where he dragged in some peace activists (Who were of course the most angry, leftist, and extremist he could possibly find!) and he then gave them a chance to rattle on about their perspectives and then said something to the effect of:

"I'm all for people expressin' their opinions, but this is a time of war, I'm concerned that images of the peace protester's demonstratin' could be shown to our men and women who serve and might be used to demoralize those who've been captured."

As I recall, that was one of the most nauseating examples of PP's pseudo-sensitivity and pseudo-democratic thinking because in effect he was saying:

"It's fine and dandy to disagree with the government or the army but if you protest at this difficult time then you're not being supportive of our troops."

In a sense, the bastard was saying that if you want to be a supportive American you won't protest because "it might hurt the troops."

It's just a sacharrine variation of what the conservatives are flinging at liberals or anyone who raises even just questions about the reasons for and the methods employed in this war. Somehow recognizing and then blowing the whistle on nationalism, entrenched special interests, botched foreign policy, military actions, problems with intelligence, and the general ignorance and incompetence of the Bush administration is "unpatriotic."

To top it all off, PP made sure to remind the audience that he's smart enough to know when he doesn't know the full story.

Sigh, PP and George Bush have both managed to give Texans, Texas, and this country such a bad name!

Dude, those kids on today's show needed some serious therapy and help. Those are the future John Wayne Gaceys and Jeffrey Dahmers. Shoot I can so see that little girl as Eileen Wuornos easily. That dad really needed to get his head out of his fuckin ass. "But I WORK and make MONEY!!" Um, yay, but who cares if your daughter kills everyone while you're gone. They needed to get on the same page more than anything.

scarletine, I feel your pain! I've had some nightmare kids to babysit, much like yourself. After all the bad behavior I witnessed I would tell the parents and they would just say "Oh, [kids name] always does that, teehee!". WTF?! This kid is still a nightmare to this day, I refuse to go over there.

timeonmyhands, you are doing the right thing with your son's hitting by giving him immediate consequences, IMHO. You are right, lots of children like to hit, it's just a fact of life.

However...
We must admit there are a lot of bad seeds out there....

But not Pat Tillman, rest in peace.

Nobody mentioned the two sisters at the end of the show....that was laughable. DP's face-each-other-in-the-chair-and-really-listen-to-each-other-for-thirty seconds therapy will really help them. The young sister was one step away from the Springer show.



Yes, but the only purpose will be to help them and others in the viewing audience;)

Oh my...

The little boy on the show today is just plain frightening. Duct tape. I recommend lots of duct tape.

Seriously, I wanted to check the locks on my doors after watching that segment. Those people need to seek a real doctor, not a man who puts a disclaimer on his show that his advice is for entertainment purposes only.

Word, Snowdog. I know it's a fire hazard, but lock him in his room at night.

Another thing I'm curious about - when they show the footage of him attacking his sister and grandmother? How do they get that? Do they hold up the recorder and say "Go on, Pauly, hit grandmom." or do they just hang around taping while he does it?

I have no doubt they coached him to do it. Disgusting. "Show the camera how you hit grandma, but don't really hit grandma".

You know, I was really happy that Dr. Phil basically told those parents that it was their fault that their kids were so messed up and instead of complaining about it they need to shut the fuck up and do something. Parents who spout that crap about "What am I supposed to doooooo?" and "But I can't control him" when they've barely even tried to help their children make me sick. On another note, am the only person who lets out a chuckle when they show the commercial of the spouses about to slap the hell out of each other because it's very reminiscent of that Kim Carnes video for "Bette Davis Eyes"?

Yep, that's what I remember, too. He picked folks that put the worst possible light on protesting. And what it means is this (IMO). If there is an unpopular cause, with lot's of concern on this side, then just *send in the troops*!! Whoo....now, we have to support it, because if we don't, then we aren't supporting our fighting men and women. Uh....hang on, that means that just to get everyone to shut up and fall into line, the Prez just has to pull the trigger?

The sad part is that DP wouldn't have had to look very hard to find real parents of real soldiers that think their kids are over there for the wrong reasons and in a losing situation. But he probably just called down to [insert liberal college here] and asked the dean to send up some rebel rousers.


maggiegault, I was going to keep my trap shut because of your brother, but now that I know how you feel, a big yeah, baby! for what you did in the grocery store. Too bad you didn't have Mr Hex with you, a former member of the US Army, who would have laid some smack down on Boorish Guy.

wrt slapping your spouse: I'd sooner cut my own arm off. What exactly is he trying to teach here?

Todays Dr. Phil: Twenty minutes of program & commercials, forty minutes of Marty giving Phil the Manson lamps. Looks like he wants to rip off Phil's head & piss down his neck.

I had a doctor's appt today so I completely missed today's show. Can someone give a little recap? Thanks.

Never, ever feel like you have to censor yourself for me or for anyone else (well, maybe for the mods *wink*). The First Amendment still stands for something in the United States. Say what you think, live according to what you believe. Our soldiers are over there fighting for the notion of freedom and the possibility of democracy, as corny as that sounds. Shouldn't we embody those ideals on American shores?

On Topic: I am almost irrationally excited about Shill today. I hope it is as good as the promos promise. I want to see an epic smackdown of Marty. Because you just know he's cheating still. You just know it.

I must say, Shill sounded like the Shill of Old on the bad seed show. Boy, was the mom of the first little monster PISSED when Shill didn't kowtow to the whole "well, my sprog is ADHD, and that's why he's bad" bit. No, clueless mother, you CAN'T always blame your child's troubles on some illness. I do firmly believe that ADD and ADHD exist. I also believe that those diagnoses are far too often used to justify unacceptable behavior in our children, thus exonerating the parents for any liability in the situation. "It's not our fault Brattyn nearly murdered his sister...he has ADHD, you know."

Thanks for this, maggiegault. Part of what I love about all y'all fellow DrShill obsessives is that, unlike DrShill, you live in a world where the complexity of two superficially contradictory feelings/thoughts is not WRONG. Paradox ain't always denial, country boy.

Anyway, the Marty smackdown wasn't nearly as fun as i hoped. But golly he is an ass. I really hate it that I see myself in Erin (& I think she was spot on when she called him out on keeping his options open)....but I don't wanna be caught "lying by omission"....

And what about that DrPhil in May promo sweep: StinkyLulu's very excited... Looks like the guests & the good doctor are all gonna be INSAAAAAANE. heeeeee. (oh -- doesn't that couples-slap-thing have them slapping each other's upraised palm? it's a surrogacy anger thing -- like smacking the sh*t out of a pillow -- but with the goal of also conveying the power of one's feelings.) of course, it would be MUCH more entertaining to see Katherine & Alex go after Marty with nerf bats while Erin shot paint balls...

I only watched the first half of today's show because I got very bored. So, the big shocker was that Marty saw some past "emotional affair" woman at the gas station and talked to her? That's it?!
Now, if he had ran into her at a Motel 6, that would have been way better.

But was that it?

Unfortunately, yes. Marty was seen at a gas station chatting it up with one of his old tarts. Thing is, Phil built it up, hoping for this volcanic St Marty eruption, with Erin and the girls running from the heat & ash. What happened was a s-l-o-w ball twist by Phil ("DID you go somewhere Erin doesn't know about,Marty? DID YOU PUNK?" Well, he didn't say "punk" but his sneer did)

Finally, after a whole lot of cricketsong, Marty confessed that he was caught hose-in-hand at the local Gate and yes, it was good.

Apparently after the show Erin and the girls snotted all the way home where Erin vowed she'd change the locks first thing. Marty, meanwhile, snarled at Phil's people & called everything so much BS. After all, can't a man pump gas in peace yadayadayada. Then he was gone, only the Martystench remaining. Probably from the gas. The end.

I think I saw a few flashes of Alex in the Islands, learning about "Marine Biology" in a little bikini immediately followed by Erin asking Alex if sex is like shaking hands to her. Good stuff.

I'm so bored with this family. Why don't they just divorce and get it over with? They are all waaaaay to aware they are on camera. If I have to hear Catherine cry/whine again, I'm going to lose it.

The man saw the woman at the gas station. This is hardly a revelation worthy of the build up and then the Dr. Phil "you're busted." I have a feeling that Erin would've been just as upset had Marty told her he saw the woman. It would've been,"did you talk to her?," "what did she say? What did you say?" etc. etc. The man is obviously clueless with a very short attention span. Bring on the cheating mormon!!!

THUNDERATION!!
What the heck was going on with FUF1 today?! Maybe we need to start the slapping early and slap that stare off Marty's face. After 3 whole episodes of interogating this guy, I say enough. (I was wondering when DrP was gonna bring out the single bright light bulb and shine it on Marty to get him to confess!).

Okay... so Marty's a moron who can't be trusted. And your point is??? We've "known" this for a matter of months as compared to Erin LIVING with it all this time. I think DrP oughta put her under the bright light and find out why she's scared to make a move? Anyone seeing five mins of this family all season would know she would have tore him a new one if he would have been honest with her. The whole famn damily is scared to death of each other!

And btw..those daughters are obviously WAY, WAY too immature to be going thru something like this and have it broadcast. It's turned into a freak show that makes Maury look like talk show genius!

And apparently there's plenty more garbage where this came from! The previews of upcoming episodes promise MORE FUFs!!! More demon children!! And more DrP verbally smacking folks around. This show has gotten SO far away from the dock that it's just floating out to sea with the rest of shock-tv.
Even the editing for the story's are REEKING of reality tv set-ups!!
UUUGGGGHHH!!!!!

I don't believe for a moment that all Marty did was see and talk to the woman at a gas station. If it was, he would have been crying in relief that his secret was in the open and he could beg his wife to forgive him yet again.

He's still hiding something.