daniel82 great storyline for Henry & Lisa. TPTB? Listening? Please.

I LOVED Dusty yesterday! From him telling Lily off in the Lakeview (and pretty much exactly what I've been thinking) to him diving into the ucky scummy lake/puddle thingie. Don't these people realize that you're only supposed to swim in cement lined swimming pools? The other stuff has fish and icky things. Ghostly dead twin sisters at the bottom, for example.

Anyway, heroic rescue. Can't wait to see Holden's reaction to it.

As for Who Killed Rose? Don't Care.

Oh, and word for Carly being a bitch to Mitzi! Sure, she and Rose are tight for the last couple of years but Rose and Mitzi go way back. Think Rose would have really held a little thing like embezzlement against her for long? Actually that whole storyline was stupid. Why wouldn't Rose sell Mitzi the shop? And the way Rose acted to Mitzi at the time was not exactly bestfriendly. Bah. Oh. It's so that Mitzi could be a suspect too.

Damn, but I hated that part of those scenes! While it was nice to see several characters out to dinner at the same time in the same place (remember those huge multi-character scenes we used to get at the Mona Lisa?), I can't stand seeing Kim and Nancy observing Oakdale behavior from the sidelines. No way would Kim have not tried to do something for Lily - they are old friends who own the freaking television station together. The Hughes women also scurried out of the dining room when they saw Paul storming over to Barbara's table - again, no way Kim wouldn't have tried to play referee.

The writers really don't seem to spend much time thinking of good ways to use characters that are not directly involved in the storylines of the moment. We here on this board can come up with plausible ways to involve Lisa, Lucinda, John, etc., while Maura West's contract guarantee is probably partly responsible for Carly's nonsensical scene in the interrogation room (since apparently the next Jack/Carly storyline isn't coming along until February). Gotta squeeze Carly in there somehow this week. But hey, I can't say I've minded those Snyders on the backburner since their Montana wedding.

Craig used to be very close to Lily, so it was weird to see him barely register what was going on in the Lakeview dining room. Again, I love seeing lots of characters in the same place, but please -- acknowledge and respect the established relationships they have, instead of hurrying forward with the plot. Like, would it have killed anyone to give Dusty a few lines with John the night Rose died in the emergency room?

Did they actually say (or just imply) that the body of water Lily nearly drowned in was the Snyder pond? Because apparently no one on the writing staff knows that Rose was living at Cal's old house- which is next door to Emma's farm, and therefore there's no way Dusty could have beaten Holden there, since Holden was at Rose's when Dusty called him from the car.

Going back several pages - I think the guy who was first believed to have been murdered, then turned out to have died accidentally on a construction site was Michael Alcott (Richard Bekins), the ex-husband of Royce & Lucinda's sister Neal. This was a fairly minor story around 1992, I think.

Oooh, I second the Michael Alcott memory, although I never would have remembered it on my own!

Fandomania , you're absolutely right. If Molly did it to push Paul and Rose together, it makes no sense to frame Paul. Now I'm perplexed. (and think the writers may have screwed up.)

OMG! I was thinking the same thing. When he was going down the embankment, I thought he looked like Bryan Bloom.

We have a winner! Scumtrelescent, I bow to your memory.

I was going to ask about the Mona Lisa. What happened to it? Is it simply no longer shown because of the grudge against EF? (Does anybody know what happened to cause the grudge?) I think it was a more interesting set than the Lakeview Towers restaurant. There were all sorts of little places for the actors to make entrances (main door, stairs, the little stage where Lilah Montgomery sang), for one thing. For another, I like the colors better. All that blue and green in the LT restaurant makes me think the actors are in a fake fishtank. I've only seen one entrance/exit possibility, so that set rates a big zzzzzzzzzzzz from me. Is Craig still half owner of the Mona Lisa?

Many, many thanks to aliceac for the link to the character profiles. I'm working my way through them, and I'm so glad not to have to pester you here for information before I can make a coherent post.



I didn't think they were being catty. The written lines could have gone either way, and I think both actresses worked to downplay possible cattiness and merely comment. Catty, thy name is Lisa Miller…Grimaldi vs. Susan Stewart or Meg Snyder vs. Lily.



I wasn't sure if I should post about it because I thought I was being influenced by discussions of BroYay on the GH thread. There was something in the way Lily reached for Rose… Anyway, I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it. I also wasn't sure if I should comment on how GH looked like BB in profile. I thought it was my imagination or wishful thinking, but I saw something in the curve of his cheek and the shape of his eyebrows that said Original Recipe Dusty to me. Did anyone else notice his little hip shimmy when he took off his coat and jacket? Regardless of my issues with this current Dusty, GH is an attractive man, but that shimmy was priceless. Dance for me! Shake that moneymaker!

Dusty told Holden on the phone that it looked like Lily was headed for the farm. I think it was strongly implied, because while there are surely more farms around, to Holden "the farm" would have to be the Snyder farm. The only way that Dusty could have beat Holden to the pond would have been if he'd said "We're at the farm." This is the stuff that gives soap operas a bad name.

I second the greatness of daniel82's storyline for Lisa and Henry. My theory? The doctors spelled it wrong on his birth certificate. That really happened to my stepsister.

This is how I see it, too. I'm LOVING that Craig is putting the screws to Char-bar. She tampers with evidence, he put it back. Hilarious. As for Paul, I know Craig hates him because his Dixified wifey can't seem to stay away from dispensing unsolicited advice to poor, misunderstood, verbally-abusive-to-his-fiancee, Paul. The worst Rosanna offense was when she obnoxiously defended Paul to Rose's grieving father at her funeral. Completely tacky. After those stunts, who can blame Craig for feeling that way? I think he actually thinks that Paul did it, and anyone who saw the hateful things Paul said to Rose at the altar in front of the whole town, would come to the same conclusion. So, Craig figures he'd get the real criminal put in jail, plus keep his wife at home for a change, at the same time.

As for Carly, I'm in the minority. I don't mind her vendetta against Mitzi. The character of Mitzi has been nails-on-a-chalkboard annoying for me since day one. As for Mitzi and Rose being friends longer than Carly and Rose, and therefore how could Mitzi ever do such a thing......oh, I dunno, maybe the same warped section of her brain that embezzled large quantites of cash from her supposed oldest friend to help quench her gambling thirst? If Mitzi was that concerned with her oldest pal, she wouldn't have stolen from her, either. Maybe she didn't murder Rose, and personally, I think she's too stupid to be able to put two plus two together, let alone hatch a murder plot so her embezzling scheme won't be discovered, but I get why Carly hates her. Mitzi's wanted a piece of the G-man for awhile, and maybe Carly's just a bit mistrusting of other women wanting Jack after all the time Julia's tried to kill her. Shrug. Possible.

Actually, I'm leaning toward Rose being poisoned by Will, who intended to make her too sick to marry Paul. I think he was trying to stop the wedding, not kill her. In Will's twisted brain (thanks to having Char-bar as a parent), he was just trying to "help" Paul.

Will in a belltower with a semi-automatic weapon. It's going to happen. You know it.

I'm starting to like (well...not like, but accept) Dusty as the killer. He probably didn't mean to kill Rose, but just to make her sick enough so that she couldn't leave for France with Paul....so, sure he killed her...but by accident. It's not like he has any real family in town, and it provides a convenient ending to his and Lily's possible upcoming entanglement when she finds out that he killed her sister. What a sad ending for Dustin...

After the last scene with Mitzi, I'm starting to like her as the killer. The way she said "Mitzi's Roller Palace" at the very least seemed really tacky considering Rose was just murdered. Even though Rose was acting really assy towards Mitzi earlier this fall, it seemed a bit early to be salivating at possibly taking over her business.

And god, again with Grayson's hair product. Are they trying to make him look old and greasy?

Yeah...that was pretty damning the way they ended things today on Mitzi. What I don't understand is why she's even roaming around free. Shouldn't she be in jail for embezzlement? The police have the evidence of what she did, so why wouldn't they forward it on to the DA and let him (Tom) handle the prosecution, rather than just waiting for someone like Lily or Lucinda to make them press charges?

I think that Paul and Babs are just red herrings, though. It's either Mitzi, Dusty or Molly who did the deed. Poor Rose. Margo popped up again today! I like her theory of whomever is accusing someone else the loudest is covering something up (Dusty). And Dusty was sure laying it on thick today with Lily. Who took that video, by the way? I didn't see anyone with a camera at the ceremony.

Dusty's hair wasn't quite as bad today, just because his hair is much shorter and so there wasn't as much weirdness with the greese / hair gel thing going on.

Sigh...today was the last day of the quick cuts / time warping. But I liked how the show unfolded. Good episode overall.

ITA about the Dusty/Lily rescue scene, very well done. I hope they put the character's history to good use for the Holden/Lily/Dusty story. I've thought GM was hot since he was Another World, but I hated SleazyDusty. When he's with Lily it's different. Did anyone else think all sorts of naughty things when Molly told Dusty,"When you lay face down on your pillow tonight..."? Just me? I don't get the justification of her framing Dusty either. I love you so I want to implicate you in Rose's murder. Huh?

I laughed when Mitzi flashbacked to Lily telling her to take care of Rose's things. It was for dramatic effect or whatever, but it happened just 10 seconds before. Did they think we forgot. ;-)

I think they need to analyze Dusty's hair goo. Maybe it's toxic and some of it dripped into Rose's special goblet.

Where did the Oakdale PD get that glam shot of Dusty? Too funny.

Is RH really that much taller than CZP? I never noticed it before I saw them together in the lineup.

Since Paul and Barbara are Jack's and Hal's #1 suspects, it's safe to conclude that neither of them did it.

I liked the opening of today's episode, but it wasn't at all how I had imagined it based on spoilers. I thought Rose's voice would be solemn as the camera panned over her things, but instead it started out more like a 1960s romantic comedy. However, I love 1960s comedies, so that was okay with me.

Another thing about the opening: According to every other TV show I've ever seen, the ghosts of murder victims become omniscient and know who killed them. You mean that's not true? Someone call John Edward and set him straight.

It sure sounds as if Rose is planning to haunt the killer once he or she is identified.

ETA: The videographer from the wedding was very conscientious to complete the project and slap the "Our Special Day" onto the front of it! Especially since he or she probably was never paid.

Not like any TV show ever bothers, but would it kill the writers to sit down with a chemist for five minutes to find out a little bit about the poison they've picked? Methanol evaporates really easily, and there's no way they would have been able to detect it on a goblet a week(?) after it was put there - not unless there was a heck of a lot of wine still in there. I realise this is a really minor nitpick but I work with the stuff every day, so it just bugs (and I *really* rolled my eyes at the "Barbara delicately paints it on the goblet and holds it up to the light" scene; at least the scene of somebody dumping the methanol directly into the wine made the whole thing a little more plausible).

Sigh. Assassinated/Assified Dusty is back, with New and Improved Über-Schlick for his hair. I don't think he did it, but I do think he's hiding something. He might have gotten the tape from the videographer. They can put the title cards on the tape in advance to save time later, and they usually require payment in full, non-refundable, before the event. I perform at a lot of weddings, so I've met a few of them.

My new theory on the first person to go to prison for the murder is Craig. We haven't seen him in prison, even though Margo arrested him that one time for Tad Channing's murder. (Then she apologized for letting her feelings get in the way of an investigation, and Lieutenant McCloughsky pshawed at her because she'd just arrested her own brother, the exact opposite action of someone letting feelings get in the way.)

I didn't like today's episode at all. I thought it would be great for someone who watches mainly on holidays to catch up, but since I've been watching steadily it was just useless exposition that didn't advance the plot at all, except to further muddy the waters. The most interesting thing for me was the lineup, because 1)that is so not how police lineups work, 2) the actors were in order of height as if they were the Rockettes, which made me think they might start doing sassy high kicks, and C) for the first time I could note the approximate heights of all these people. I never knew CZP was so little or Molly was so tall. It also confirmed for me that GM is much taller than BB when he left the role. BB might be six feet tall now, but when he left he was shorter than JH in their scenes together. Holden can't even try to tower over Dusty anymore, and that explains some of JH's acting choices, too.

That was inspired!

Here in Dallas, due to some late-breaking local news, we missed the first couple of minutes of ATWT, so Rose was already halfway thru the lineup, darn. But I did catch her telling Mitzi "You should have just asked me, I'd have given you anything."

Um, like the Roller Palace?

I thought it was shown that Babs put more poison in the bottom of the bottom of the goblet before she put it in Molly's hotel room?

I think that was the point. Methanol evaporates so easily that painting a tiny bit onto the BAURG with a Q-tip, then holding it up to the light, would guarantee that none would be on the goblet by the time the police found it. I'm sorry if I misunderstood, SusieCue.

Spoilers from tvguide.com. Comments in italics by me.

Rosanna rescues a friend from jail.
Molly begs for forgiveness.
Barbara clashes with Craig.
Mitzi makes threatening remarks. The plot thickens.
Lily and Dusty can an inappropriate celebration. Buh?
Mike tries to save Snickers.
Henry advises Alison to tell the truth. Alison confides in Henry? Eeeeee!
Mike and Katie make love. Mike's butt! Mike's butt!
Jessica and Ben agree to become foster parents. To Sarah. Noooooo! Get her away!

Why dear God, do the producers think that the damn brat Sarah is such an important character? Does the actress' parents have incriminating photos of them or what? Also how the hell would Jess and Ben ever get Children Services to allow them custody of Sarah? Jess accused Sarah's father of raping Jess. So I'm sure that any real social worker would give Jess a very valid "I don't think that this would be a very good living situation for Sarah. You accusing her father of rape and all." excuse. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Where the hell is Grandpa Shaft when you need him?

Does anyone think that Lily could have accidentally poisoned Rose? When she was in AC acting like Rose she told Mitzi "Lily killed me" adding on the inside. Maybe she meant it. Maybe it is because she is so guilt-ridden that she becoming Rose.

Could our methanol expert give us any insight into how and why methanol is used? Is there anyway it could accidentally be put into a common substance?

Somehow, I'm guessing that a bar might have some use for methanol *cough* DustyorMolly *cough*

NO SHIT. My god, whenever that spawn of Satan bitches her way across my screen, I can't reach for the FF button fast enough. And WORD about Grandpa Shaft. That little brat should be in his custody upon the death of her father. Grandpa Shaft would NEVER let his grandchild linger in the custody of social services. He'd be putting his foot down and making sure the little demon learns RESPECT.....WAAAAAY off screen in Atlanta.

Sarah is a waste of space and then some. I'd rather watch Me-Me Lucy, for goodness sake. People on the Y&R board complain about Lilly Winters but that actress is Meryl Streep next to Shut up!Sarah.

Is the killer definitely one of the 5? Cause I like the crazy Lily theory. Lily, James, Will and even Jen should have been on that suspect list.

A question for long-timers. Were Lily and Sierra close? Did they have a genuine sister relationship? Susan's kids, Bab's kids, the Snyders, etc all have close sibling relationships so it seems odd that Lucinda's daughters don't.

Does anyone know if Simon is back for good or just short-term?

What a dick Dusty is. "Hey, Lily, you almost drowned yourself being driven crazy pretending to be Rose, the least you can do now is do it again so we can nail that Paul against the wall!" Dumbass.

And how boring was Lucy and Aaron's astral reunion. Who cares? Let Lucy go marry bland private school boy and move to Montega or something.

Even though Barbara isn't the killer, Hal should have her forcibly committed per the terms of her being able to see Will again. She's too out there. I can't even remember what she was like before the boathouse explosion anymore.

I bet the bulk of the cast is thrilled to have Jenpire with them in their scenes. Because even though it's winter in New York, she makes it look like they all have tans. Even Jack, the whitest white that ever whited.

There it was, the catalyst. This little fight between Chris and Aaron with the former acting like a giant ass. Saying that Alison will be a shitty mother? Dick. Aaron's going to be stepping up for her and the kid, oh yes he will.

Lily and Sierra used to be close when Finn played Sierra. They used to commiserate about how controlling Lucinda was. When it turned out that Lily was adopted Sierra was shocked and wondered if she was adopted too, but she was there for Lily the whole time. Lily went to Sierra first when Holden gave her a kitten and she realized that Lucinda had lied to her about being allergic to cats (the first clue that Lily was adopted). Sierra was a really understanding older sister whenever Lily came to her with the teen angst.

They had to live with Lucinda, after all. If that doesn't bring two sisters together, I don't know what will.

Hey, when was the last time Oakdale heard anything from Lucinda's third(also adopted) daughter, Bianca(I think that is her name)? Last I remember was that she was off to college in NYC or to work at the UN. Something along those lines.

Lucinda's other adopted daughter, Bianca, did go to work for the UN after graduating from Oakdale U. When last referred to by Lucinda, Bianca was in Bosnia. This was probably sometime prior to 1996.

There were recent casting rumors about ATWT looking for a Latina actress, and speculation was that it could be either Bianca, or Mike's old girlfriend Pilar (the woman he left Oakdale with). Nothing has been confirmed.

Hey guys, first time visiting this thread. I usually only visit the AMC thread, but I did happen to catch the New Year's Day ep of ATWT and was impressed, technically-wiseat least. I was a huge ATWT back in the day when Douglas Marland was writing and Julianne Moore was on...anyway, the New Years Day ep was VERY cool. I wasn't "enthralled" with most of those characters or actors, though <sorry>. I was actually hoping to see Lucinda or Henry or Lisa or Cady McClain...or Mike's butt!

Anybody know when THE ASS is scheduled to make it's appearance??? The original Mike was pretty dreamy, but this new guy is pretty groovy too...I heard that he and Rebecca Budig (Greenlee, AMC) were an item for a while. Wow, they would be a couple who would seriously bring the pretty.

Mike's dreamy chiseled ass is scheduled to make its debut January 9th. Set your TiVos!

Was that THIS Mike that hooked up with Rebecca Budig or the old Mike?

I do believe it was THIS Mike kariyaki.

While that was true for a while, they weren't raised together; Sierra was raised by her dad and didn't meet Lucinda until after she was an adult. Emily was around for the entire time that Alison was growing up (all three years of it or so -- all right, all right, I know Alison wasn't quite THAT SORASed). Paul was around for significant chunks of Jen and Will's childhoods and Jen and Will were raised together, plus all of them knew Barbara was their mother, Kim their aunt, etc., for all of their lives. The Snyders were all raised together with the same mother and father. So I can buy that all of those sibling groups would be closer than Lily and Sierra, who bonded when both were living in Oakdale and needed respite from Lucinda, but who don't have common childhood experiences to bind them together and who haven't lived within driving distance of one another for years.

Okay, is it permissable for me to gloat a little? Just a little? The minute this Ali-claiming-the-baby-is-Aaron's thing came out, I not only predicted that the catalyst for Aaron knowingly stepping up would be Chris accidentally pushing/shoving/whatever Ali and Aaron catching her, but I predicted that it would happen on or right after/before New Year's. I'm so bad about predicting major turning points on soaps that aren't spelled out (my track record with OLTL has been especially bad lately) that I feel I must show a little pride in making one call right. (All right, so this wasn't exactly a daring prediction...)

Actually, she pretty much was that SORASed. Alison is literally less than ten years old, having been born sometime in 1994. They SORASed the ever-living fuck out of her. Bonnie too, born in 93, the same year as Luke who just today was half-pinting it around Fairwinds making cookies with his little sister. I'm surprised they've kept him the correct age, it's almost unheard of.

By the way, has someone stuck a "Shove Me" sign on Ali's back? Between Lucy and Chris, that girl needs to invest in some Michelin Man-type padding for the duration of her pregnancy.

Bwah! Even though we all know about SORAS, it's still so damn funny to me when I think about the real ages of these characters. The Bonnie and Luke comparison really highlights the silliness of this tactic. When does Snickers get SORASed?

Actually, Luke was born in 1995. Here's a timeline of Oakdale kids. Iva's son MJ -- who is most definitely younger than Aaron, as Iva was raising Aaron when she got pregnant and raised the boys together for a time -- was born in 1993, and it wasn't until after MJ's birth that Holden found out the truth about Aaron's paternity/Holden was in an accident that gave him amnesia/Holden rejected Lily/Lily found out the truth about everything and left town (and her marriage). That was Heather Rattray-Lily. MB-Lily came back to town a short time later with husband Damian in tow, and Luke was born more than a year after that. Will Munson was also born in 1993.

But I agree with you on the larger points. :) I see why Alison was SORASed so significantly; her only on-screen parent is on the older side and thus it's not jarring to see her with a grown daughter (heck, she already had one!). It IS jarring to see Emily as a bio-mom of a grown daughter, but that's a subtler point. The hyper-aging of Bonnie, though, was incredibly annoying to me, because a) I don't think Jessica looks old enough to have a daughter in her 20s; and b) I think there would have been a lot of interesting things to do with a young teenager who's of a mixed racial and national background and whose father left her mother because his first wife came back from the dead.

Didn't Hal say yesterday that the only fingerprints found on the goblet were Paul and Rose's? Because that doesn't correspond with Lily handing her the goblet, as was shown in the flashback today.

God, Barbara is the shittiest mother ever. And Jen is a pretty crappy sister too, since she wouldn't stick up for Paul and tell the truth. I realize she wants to protect Barbara, but her brother was being arrested for murder, and all she can say is "I'll get you a good lawyer"? Gee, thanks. It also looks like Barbara is going to continue to mind-fuck Will right good.

Ah. I was thinking of Will, then. I guess. I'd thought he was born earlier too, like 91 but that timeline says 93.

I get why some kids are SORASed and some aren't. Parents' ages. It just boggles the mind when one thinks about it too much. I try not to but then the topic comes up and my brain goes through a twister not unlike the EAC from Finding Nemo.

Hee! Great mental image.

Yeah, it's not that I don't understand the hyper-SORASing sometimes...but I far prefer the more subtle SORASing. I understand why two-year-olds get SORASed into four-year-olds, and nine-year-olds into teenagers, but the "small child one day, BIG child next day" freaks me out. Unless MAYBE if the parents are unusually old and already have fully grown children, a la Lila and Susan. But in general hyperSORASing is freaky and leaves soaps vulnerable to having thirtysomething grandmothers (such as Brooke Logan Etc. on B&B).

And Emily. Because Susan may have given birth to and raised Alison but with the nine-year-old about to give birth herself, that still turns Emily into Baby Stewart's thirty-something-year-old biological grandmother.

I can just hear the conversation with the school guidance counselor.
Guidance counselor: Miss McKechnie, have you been having any problems at home?
Bonnie: Well, it's kind of complicated. You see, my father's first wife had her head shrunken, only then it turned out it really wasn't...

No misunderstanding. That's exactly what I meant.


Well, I mostly use it as a solvent in a lab setting, but a little research shows that methanol is commonly found in solvents, cleaners, small engine fuels, antifreeze, perfume, paints, varnishes and glues. So, it's fairly easy to access but I can't imagine accidentally pouring any of those into wine. On the other hand, the "lethal dose" range is quite broad so I would definitely buy an "I only meant to hurt her not kill her" argument at the end of all this, particularly given that she's small so it wouldn't take as much to kill her.

I'm still not fond of super SORASing found on most soaps today. While I love JD, I am most definitely not thrilled with the SORASing of the character of Allison. Why not cast her as the lost teen/very early 20something Dani Andropulous? Making her Emily's niece. SORASing Aaron was a huge mistake too. The show did almost nothing with the goldmine of Aaron Snyder's history. If they wanted Agim so badly, why not just make him a new character to town with a troubled past. They could've connected him with the Snyders as a cousin(just like Jack is) or even with John Dixon(also as an unfamilar family member) or any family that they wanted to. But now we have Emily being a 30something grandmother(making her a teen egg donor to her mother's reproductive dreams, ick!). And Bonnie being a 20something prison princess/duchess with a mother who must have been a teen when she had Bonnie. It is just a real lack of vision on the part of the writers and producers. Alli and Aaron should've future pals for Wil, Casey, Bonnie, etc. But now it is just really screwed up. The only reason I can think of why the writers haven't aged poor Luciano is that it would really age their favored heroine Lily, which they wouldn't do.

All the SORASing has a side effect of compressing the adults' ages together. Soon Nancy, Kim, and Margo will all be the same age!

ETA: I hate what they're doing to the Mitzi character--making her all cold and calculating so that we'll buy that she might be the murderer. Yeah, she embezzled, but she still had a conscience at that time--she tearfully soliloquized, "I never thought I'd have to steal from my best friend." Now we're supposed to believe she's been an opportunist all along and she's gleefully plotting to take over the Roller Palace.

Also, re: Tom and Lily at the police station, why is it that some people are called on their sh*t and others never are (in Oakdale and IRL)? Interfering with investigations is a way of life in Oakdale, and no one ever gets lambasted for it to the degree that Lily did today, except for Jack's occasional ineffectual snarling at Craig.

Was I the the only one to catch Dusty saying something to the tune of:

"Rose was the only woman I ever really loved!"

WTF?!?

So what was Lily an Overture an Hors D'Oeurve?

And how he could have loved that ignorant and trashy slut as opposed to Molly who actually was there for him is somewhat beyond me.

Anyway... you can so see that Rosanna and Paul have got good odds of hooking up. Craig's horrible manipulations and lies will probably be what kills his marriage.

Thanks for the info, SusieCue. After they announced Rose had been killed by methanol, I did some research into it and posted many, many pages back. The thing that puzzles me the most (and was never addressed on screen) is that most experts believe methanol takes 10-48 hours to act on the victim. It totally blows the Fugly Goblet of Doom theory to pieces, since the methanol had to get in her system, break down into formaldehyde, then formic acid (which is what really kills the victim) over that period of time. My guess? The writers will not bring up that little nugget of info now, since it would mess up the timeline of Rose's demise.

I'm still pinning my hopes on the HBC having killed Rose.

Professor Soap, I saw that and immediately mentally blocked it. This is not my Dusty. This is a horse's ass painted to look like Dusty and doing a terrible job of it. No way does a Harvard-educated (even if he dropped out— did he? Was that ever explained?), Richie Rich ex-cowboy talk like that. No way was Rose his one true love. I don't care that I barely saw two weeks of her before she died, and have no idea what their relationship was like. He loved Lily. He was her Dusty ex machina. He was her first (a little bit like that Jasmine-worshipping alien on Angel who kept repeating, "We loved her first!").

I'll stop now before I work myself into a real snit. The only way I can deal with this character is to assume he's not Dusty, or he got conked on the head and has forgotten his childhood, who is his real father, and most of his education.

My favorite part of Friday's episode was when Aaron said about Alison, "Oh, she's amazing." Runner up was when all those snowballs hit Holden. JH has fabulous chemistry with those kids. Honorable mention to Holden calling Mitzi on her mooching off every single person who lets her.

Why is the mother of Timothy going into a program? No one said she was addicted to anything or abusing him. What am I not understanding?

WORD. (It's like if Katie was murdered and they tried to make it out like Henry did it.) I watched for the first time in a few months on New Year's Day, and I was shocked at what they'd done to the character. Ever since her first day on the show, Mitzi was Rose's BEST FRIEND. She loved Rose. She literally existed to support Rose. She was also always portrayed as loveable, kindhearted, slightly ditzy, and loyal. Sure, Rose treated her like crap towards the end (another unrealistic development), but to imply that it would be in character for her to murder Rose, and not even as a crime of passion, but out of greed and opportunism-- is not only absurd, but also insulting to the audience. It shows zero regard for the show's own history, and no respect for people who watched the woman act a certain way for years, only to be told she's actually a totally different character. (Hmm, sorta like what they did when they brought back Dusty "FatTonyWannabe" Donovan.)

What-the-fuck-ever.

Honestly, this past week is the first I've really watched in quite some time. I have no idea what they've done to Mitzi. It just seems absurd to me since I'm just remembering her from when she first came on the show. Seems like crap.

And it was good to see the fact that I can only like Aaron if he is away from Lucy confirmed. The second those two started up in the diner, woosh! I hated him again. Thank goodness that it seems like he'll continue with Alison, because I kind of like enjoying Aaron.

I also bawked at Dusty calling Rose the only woman he's ever loved. Please. I was pretty happy when Rose died (which is a shame because I loved the character before she came back from Italy and ended up with Nu *now with flaring nostrils!* Paul.) I'm happy that it's led to some good time spent with Lily.

You know, maybe when Holden's supposedly "permanent" quasi-amnesia/personality change mysteriously (but thankfully) disappeared a while back, it actually transferred itself to Dusty, complete with the part of "forgetting" being in love with Lily. Because Lily was everything to Dusty back in the day.

Unless he really sees Rose and Lily as a single entity?


Agim is continuing to impress (well, to impress me, at least). Bailey Chase seemed to be at a different (aka lower) acting level than AD and AK in their confrontation on Friday. Okay, maybe I'm just down on BC because Chris was being such a total and complete ass (let's get this straight: you sleeping with Alison sans protection was understandable and okay, but Ali and Aaron getting married in order to raise their child together is immature? Whatever), albeit in a way that tied in nicely with what Holden has been saying about Aaron. And on a shallow level I kept thinking that Ali and Aaron look good together; not that BC is ugly or anything, but something about the closeness in height and the contrast in looks with AD/AK works better for me.

Some of Holden's memories were supposedly able to be restored because there was apparently some healthy and surviving brain tissue which wasn't removed in his emergency surgery after that mugging and this remaining tissue responded well to some new and cool treatments DuJour at some world-famous Hospital (Not in Oakdale!).

Holden's loss of memory story was pretty dumb when they did it.

I'll bet the writers wish they could excise our memories just as easily but that will never happen because TWOP viewers are the best and the brightest.

Chris/Alison/Aaron were irritating.

Is it just me or does it seem like Alison's only job these days is to beg, cry, and look both helpless and badly constipated?

Yeah, I'm starting to tire of Alison's woe-is-me routine. I like Jessica Dunphy and all but Alison is a lot more fun when she's being spunky. The old Alison will hopefully come back once Aaron climbs on board to claim fatherhood of her baby and she doesn't have to worry constantly about being outed.