Seriously, somebody on the writers' staff must have it in for adopted kids, because that kid gets the shaft attention-wise. No wonder he became an inventor.

What was with Boyd's sudden snit fit today? I mean, yeah, Kendall asked him to help her out and all, but there's been no indication in any of their scenes since that night that she's been stringing him along. We haven't seen any flirting or feminine wiles being used. At this point, he should know the score damn well -- she isn't interested. He's a grown man and it was his choice to help her with her scam. He may not know everything that went on that night, but he knows enough to know that she did it all to help Erica and Bianca, who are good friends of his.


Actually, I think Bianca hit the nail on the head when she said that Erica has radar for when someone's about to tell her something she doesn't want to hear. Erica already knows, deep down inside, and doesn't want to face it. So she'll grab any excuse, no matter how lame, to explain Bianca's behavior. She knows perfectly well that recovering anorexics hide their relapses, not their eating. SoapNet's summary for tomorrow's episode says Erica and Bianca "lovingly reconnect". Blech. Thank goodness it's just setup for Erica finding out and freaking shortly.

Nice to finally have a due date nailed down and confirmation that Binks is in her third trimester, considering how flexible PV time is. I have a friend who complains every single episode about how little Bianca is showing--she's straight--so she rolls her eyes at me when I tell her it's to keep Eden oinkable as long as possible and to shut up. Snerk.

Word. The thing is, Boyd's hissy fit is totally believable but wasn't palatable because they haven't been showing Boyd at ALL. If they'd had a snippet or two scenes to establish it, that blow-up at Kendall would have carried a lot more weight. Instead, we're forced to fanwank that Boyd's still been all moony over Kendall, we just haven't seen it.

I believe you and I are on the same page kariyaki.

*cough*beard*cough*

Yeah, he definitely had on his crabby pants today. Maybe they are putting things in motion to finally write Boyd out? I like Marc but I don't think they are gonna use Boyd or keep him on canvas.



That's very true but I can still call Erica a dolt, right? ;) About Erica and Binks lovingly reconnecting, I imagine it could be pretty short lived. Binks doesn't know about Erica yapping to the Forehead about Kendall knowing Jack's combination, right? Combine that with Erica attacking Kendall once she finds out that Binky's pregnant (and Erica's reaction to the news in the first place) and we may still get that much needed Erica smackdown. Can't we please?
I'm still crazy curious as to what the 'fallout' will be that the spoilers talk about when Erica finds out. Hmm.



Hee! Your friend wasn't impressed with Bianca's stunt belly?

Yeah, but I had somebody extremely specific in mind.

She'd be more impressed if Eden was wearing it the rest of the time. :)

I agree, Boyd's on his way out. My guess is the only reason AMC's kept Marc Menard around this long is because Kendall needed a co-conspirator. Palmer had his own deal going and Aidan was always trying to stop Kendall in her plans, so that just left Boyd.

You can always still call Erica a dolt, Mystic0--you know I'm on board with that! I agree the Erica/Binky bonding will be short-lived--it's just being done to ratchet up the stakes and make Erica's explosion that much worse later, try to make us shed some tears over an Erica/Bianca estrangement (that'll happen for me when pigs fly, of course).

I don't think Bianca will really fault her mother, at least initially, for telling the police about Jack's safe combination, stupid as that was, because Erica does regret it. I know she tries to take it back and is told that she can't. More than being upset about Kendall, I think hearing about the whole safe deal will start setting a few chords off in Bianca's mind. That is, assuming she even hears about it this week. Kendall won't want to mention it to her. And I do think we'll get a Bianca smackdown after Erica tears into Kendall.

Oh, so do I, my dear. So. Do. I. And they make a much more attractive couple than Rebecca and BachelorBob-BeardForHire, don't you think?

Myrtle! I heart her so much, I'll even watch Maddie.
Boyd! Hey, what is it? Neglected character day?
Edmund... please for the love of baby Jesus ... someone trim those brows.

Lurrrrrved the Erica/Kendall interaction ( more "Erica makes sense." Be afraid.)
And I lahved the bouncy Binks walk. She's so cute. Take your jacket off please. PLEASE!
Hey, Chesty has a nice ass and they should stop focusing on her fake-rack and turn her around more.

I'm sure we all did.

Is it wrong that I thought David's verbal smackdown of JP was really hot? I may have to consider my Greens/David relationship issues. Maybe it's my VI jones from the 80's on Guiding Light that's causing all this.

No, not wrong at all. Mmmmm.......Vincent.

Black Knight, you were talking about who Bianca would fault and for what and it got me thinking about what was bugging me about Bianca and Jack's interaction today. It looks like Bianca's still carrying around some residual anger at Uncle Jack. She took a few shots at his ego today and wasn't reassuring towards him like she usually is. She went on about how she trusts David (and seemed to dismiss or just not give a shit that Jack doesn't) and she talked about how much she misses (and needs) her father (without turning around and telling Jack how glad she is that he's there like she normally does). Of course, this might be all in my imagination and Bianca was just having a 'Don't fuck with me' day, I'm running on -2 percent brain capacity today. ;) I dunno, she just seemed accusatory or something with Jack today.



Wow, that is love!

I think Bianca was just rattled at the aborted hug from Uncle Daddy, that's all. She wasn't prepared for him to find out by accident.

Tad needs a haircut!

Mystic0, I didn't get anything from the PBP about Bianca being upset with Jack, but of course I have no idea how Eden played it. The talk about her father just seemed to be brought on by Edmund's situation and her thinking about Maddie. Bianca and Edmund used to be step-uncle and -niece, and Bianca has always had access to Wildwind from Edmund to go riding whenever she wants, though she hasn't done that since shortly after Frankie's murder, so there is a history there.

I wouldn't mind if she still has residual anger that crops up from time to time, though. It'd be interesting, and very realistic. She and Helen talk about Helen's own rape and recovery process tomorrow, so we should get a look at what's going through Bianca's head at this point in her recovery process. Is she still angry? Is she still blaming herself? Or is she mostly worried about moving on and being able to have a sexual relationship again? And so on.

Thanks for that, because I was thinking "the hell" at her concern for Edmund. It just really seem contrived when I was watching it. I probably could have used a reminder of the Edmund/Bianca history. Then again, I was so busy muting Maria/Maddie that I might have missed something.

I don't remember any mention made of the history in the PBP, boris. So, on the one hand, yay for AMC remembering character history a little, boo on the other hand for not reminding the audience about it, since Edmund and Bianca haven't had a scene together in forever (though Bianca did go to Edmund and Brooke's engagement party and wedding) and Dimitri is long gone from the show.

If I were Bianca and I had to find someone other than Michael to blame for the rape (because this is McTavish-land) and I got past blaming Lena for bringing Michael to town, and I got past blaming my "sister" Kendall for keeping him in town, I would turn next to Uncle Daddy Jack (and he will be her Uncle Daddy if he marries Erica). I would blame Jack for hiring protection for every other woman except me. It must have crossed Bianca's mind at some point. Remember the policeman shadows all the women except Bianca had with them? Yeah, I would be pretty pissed at Jack for not thinking of me.

I was lurking over at Datalounge today, and cracked up at this post.




My first thought was of Kinks and of how Liz wishes she had the chemistry with anyone that Kinks has.

Ok, I see I need to pay more attention to what's onscreen and less listening to the voices in my head.

Thanks for the spoiler, Black Knight. I missed that one somehow. Probably because I swear off spoilers at least twice a week. I always fold, though. Dammit, has anyone seen my willpower lying around anywhere???

Bianca's actually never blamed Lena for anything at all. She did rip into her sister, unfairly but understandably, before Erica and Jack's wedding, but she also told Kendall later on that it really wasn't her fault and that she shouldn't blame herself for it. I do think she blames Uncle Jack--he told her that he should have seen that Michael was a threat to her and given her a guard, and the absolute nicest she was capable of being at that time was to just not say anything at all. She certainly didn't tell him that it was okay or that she forgave him. And she got a couple of digs in at him in that particular conversation on related issues, so yes, there was definite resentment there. But she loves her Uncle Jack, while she was not at all on good terms with Kendall at the time, which is why Kendall was the unlucky person Bianca lashed out at.

Now Lena's an interesting issue because she does bear responsibility for one thing, and it hasn't come out yet--she never told anyone about Michael threatening Bianca. Now if Jack had known, he would've given Bianca a guard, and as mentioned before, Bianca did have anger at Jack for that. So, if Bianca were ever to find out, I don't know how she'd react. She loves Lena, they're on good terms, she's never displayed one iota of anger towards Lena or even regret that she met and got involved with Lena, and she's tried to protect Lena as much as possible from the uglier details of the rape and such, so I would think she'd try to rein in her anger as she did with Jack, but at the same time it's certainly an emotionally explosive little tidbit of info. Bianca does not have all that tight a control on her temper and when she loses it, she really loses it.

Yeah, I think that Boyd's pretty much out of the way now that he's kicked Kendall to the curb. His connection to the Kendal/meatlocker storyline was tenuous at best, and now he's pretty much cut himself off from Kendall at all. While I like all the pretty that Marc Menard brings, a lot of his character depended on F/E/M, which the writers have pretty much ignored since the end of that storyline. I'm araid he's a goner.

Well if he is, we'd better get a last look at that fabulous body. I don't know how AMC would work it in to a murder trial, but I don't really care at this point. Okay, I lie; I don't want a BloodyBeatenorShot!Boyd although that would be almost as unlikely as another peek at Boyd sans shirt. So, admist the Whoo Hoo'ing about the rumored impending exit of Tomy Dunster , I am pausing to contemplate the fact that AMC may lose two fine examples of the male form. Both of whom, coincidentally, we saw semi-clothed a total of, what, 2 times? On a Soap Opera, people. That's just sad. AMC should be ashamed of themselves for not fully utilizing the talent in their employ. Anyway, if ATWT continues to deny me Mike's Ass, then I (um...we) deserve, at the very least, a parting glimpse of Boyd's Beefy Biceps, Absolutely Amazing Abs, and Perfectly Proportioned Pectorals. What? I'm just sayin'.


I think it's been in Lena's possession since sometime around June.

Edited because "the" and "that" and "its" and "it's" are not interchangeable.

Word. That's the bomb I've been waiting (worrying about) to blow. I'm leaning towards TPTB ignoring that completely. They've worked too hard to redeem (over-redeem, in my opinion) Lena to deal with this bombshell. In no way did Lena omit this tidbit maliciously (she most likely did it to save Bianca worry, I guess) but it's a huge fuck up on her part anyway. Cripes, that would be a mess if they did go there, wouldn't it? Putting aside Bianca's reaction, imagine Erica's, Jack's, and Kendall's. Yikes.

There has been a lot of focus that Lena's suicide attempt would be a hurdle for Lianca. I don't really worry about that one too much. I'm sure it will just make Bianca feel like shit and she's so accustomed to that feeling by now, I don't see any longterm threat to Lianca from that. Unless Bianca gets it into her head that she *really* is bad for Lena and breaks it off for good. I could see her maybe going that way. From her view point, Bianca knows Lena's life has sorta sucked but she didn't try to off herself until after getting involved with her. Ouch.



Well, what the hell is she doing with it? I don't remember loaning it to her. My, she is a sneaky girl...

The fact of Michael threatening Bianca to Lena's face has never been mentioned by the show, ever, so I'm guessing AMC/McTrash has either forgotten about it completely or just doesn't plan to bring it up. We've heard plenty of Lena blaming herself for the rape, but she's done it by bringing up everything except the one thing that she really did fuck up on, so my guess is it's going to be swept under the rug altogether. Which I don't mind, exactly, as it could well cause a huge and ugly scene with Lianca, of the sort that's simply painful and unpleasant to watch. I could be wrong, but I don't think AMC will go there. There's been no buildup, no indicators of it. I actually find Bianca's complete niceness on this score a bit uncomfortable, even creepy--how can she have no anger, however unfair or unjustified? is it just buried unbelievably deep?--but whatever. I'm not campaigning for the fact of Michael's advance threat to be addressed, ever. Michael is dead and I don't think Lena's dumb enough to tell anyone, so who'd ever know, unless Bianca thought back to that night and did some huge jumping to conclusions?

I don't think the suicide attempt is going to be that big an issue, though it does depend partly on how Bianca finds out. I could see the one big problem being concern on Bianca's part being whether Lena would ever try suicide again (the last thing Binks, or anyone, needs is a suicide-prone girlfriend), and AMC already had Lena specifically address that issue with Maggie--i.e. she's getting therapy, it will never happen again. So Bianca will just feel like shit some more and that's that.

Yeah, that was one major fuck-up, though I believe it was probably due to underestimation rather than will.

As far as the suicide attempt goes, I agree that Bianca's reaction will vary depending on how she'll find out about it. I really think Lena should tell her, though I can't imagine when a good time for that might be. Maybe before her testimony, a sort of shot across the bow that'll start with "tomorrow, in court, I might be asked about...and the truth is...and I kept it from you because Kendall wanted me to and because I dind't want to burden you..." etc. etc. Certainly, if Bianca were to find out in court or, spare us all, from Maggie, she won't be as blasé about it - not that she ever would be.

ETA: Soapboy says Bianca will find out about Lena's suicide attempt "before next month."

Soapboy says a lot of things...

Edited to add: Video Archivist! Woo-hoo! I'm a geek and proud...

I seriously doubt that the writers will address Lena's warning from Michael or suicide attempt in any genuine way. Both are messy issues that distract from "sexier" plot points like baby antics or murder, and secondly they would actually give Lena a character. Let's face it, the writers aren't invested in Lena and her development is sketchy at best. She's pretty much been written as the reformed baddie, and is now really, really boring.

BTW: I feel like a stupid superficial perv, speculating about Aiden and Boyd, while everybody had been making astute points about Bianca, Erica and Jack.

Soapboy does say a lot of things, but I'll take whatevercakes is about Lena. Or sorta kinda about Lena. Or - well, you know.

Boyd had new hair again today: I guess Marc and Olga hang out and fuck around with their hair while waiting for their 20-second appearances on AMC.

Even a stopped clock is twice right a day. Probably SoapBoy is guessing, as opposed to having any true inside source, but given the timing, his guess is probably correct.

Bianca has always been prtrayed as mentally healthy with an attitude of - ONLY Michael is responsible for Michael's crimes. No one else. Not Lena... and not Kendall... the REAL person who brought Michael to town and ALSO slept with his Satanic self. She still loves Kendall and never blamed her, so WTF? Her unhealthy mental state is always about feling numb/like a different person/ ruined/ and she cannot get asshat out of her thoughts ever. She played it as Lena should move on because she fell in love with a Bianca that doesn't exist anymore and as if the new Bianca had no interest in having feelings ever again. Something she is getting past as she slowly heals and has oddly pious epiphanies about. Plus baby innocence whatevercakes.

Her reawakening of her big geeeey feelings started at PVU when the Bagster pointed out the fireworks and symphony that could not be denied. This was like the painful tingle when your numb as dead arm starts getting blood after 2 hours of sleeping on it.

See, the thing is she's not even a reformed baddie, she's a victim. I wish like hell she was allowed to be a reformed baddie. When they backtracked her character and made her Mikey's victim (instead of the cool as hell bad girl/vixen she originally was) things started down hill for me. Why mess with perfection just to make a bid for audience sympathy? I'm still irked about that. Bastards.



Blasphemy! Every and all superficial pervy thought is wanted, nay, needed! It's the coin of the realm here! With a few exceptions, of course. Y'all know what I mean.
cough*Maggieandplungers*cough ;)

Congrats on your status change, allergic2love. (sniffle) It's such a special moment in every guy/girl's life. Our baby is all grown up now... (sniffle)

Awww, that just made me remember the times when my roommate and I would stand in front of the mirror trying all kinds of hair products. Of course we didn't have fucked-up storylines driving us to do it.

I see the writing on the wall here. Am I never to live this down? Is it too late to delete that post? In what world does an innocent comment alluding to a toilet bowl plunger and its brief affiliation with a 3rd tier character rate worse than the (relentless) promotion of an incestuous relationship between two sisters? How many questions can one ask in a single post? Bah!

P.S. Congrats, allergic2love and boris. Don't forget to pick up your door prizes (monogramed smoking jackets and copies of War and Peace) before you leave.

Except I've always felt that they are all giving Kendall too much "credit" for this finger-point of blame. He'd practically been stalking her (or had hired someone to do so). Remember all those old pictures she found? He followed her to PV. The only thing I blame her for in that regard is that she misplaced her brain for several months, falling for his crap. I always hated that a lot of that storyline depended on Kendall being deeply stupid. It was almost like she was Mia.


Oh, bad thoughts... naughty thoughts...

By the way, I don't even remember this Maggie/plunger remark. Is anyone going to tell me or do I have to ask? It can't possibly be as bad as my dad's last comment, right?

Bianca specifically blamed Kendall in the big fight they had before Jack and Erica's wedding rehearsal. "If you hadn't welcomed him into your bed, he never would have--" and then got so upset she couldn't finish. Later she calmed down and was eventually able to tell Kendall that it was NOT her fault and that she shouldn't blame herself for it, and proposed the pact that if either of them started in on blaming themselves, the other sis would kick her butt. But at the very start, she did blame Kendall. Unfairly, yes, but feelings aren't rational and anger and blame (including at oneself, and Bianca's blamed herself more than anyone else except Michael) is part of the recovery process. She and Kendall weren't close at the time and so Kendall was the safe target for Bianca to yell at. I agree Kendall's role has been entirely overstated--she blames herself, but no one else does, not once Bianca calmed down. Bianca was also definitely mad about the guard issue, but did her best not to take it out on Jack when he talked to her about it.

But anyway, Mystic0, I watched the tape tonight and I didn't notice anything truly negative on Bianca's part today towards Jack, other than a little irritation because he was hammering on David and making her day more stressful. I did notice Jack being a little uncertain himself on that score, though, when he was talking about David being there for Bianca after the rape. One thing that did rub me the wrong way was when Jack wanted Bianca to talk about her abortion with him. Uh, Jack? Bianca's under no obligation to discuss everything with you. An abortion's intensely private. If she doesn't want to discuss the details, leave her alone.


That's one of the few things I like about the Lena/Bianca/Naggie triangle. It's letting Lena pull out a few of her old tricks again, sharpen her claws on someone else. Hopefully that will continue. At the very least she's no longer being saintly 24/7, thank goodness. That shit was driving me nuts. Bianca doesn't want a saint anyway. I'm hoping Naggie does head down a bad path where she starts doing shady stuff to try to get Bianca, because that would really get Lena to come out and start swinging.

Interesting that Erica framed the photo of herself, Bianca and Kendall from the wedding. I do believe she's sincere at this point in her life about wanting Kendall to be part of the family, even though it'll never work out all that well. I also noticed that Kendall's careful not to mention her closeness with Bianca to Erica, even though Erica brought up Bianca's support of Kendall a couple of times. But Kendall? Remember what Erica was saying about deciding which risks are worth it? Ryan's not worth it. Dump him.

Oh, and one really significant comment Kendall made--telling Erica that she wasn't going to blame her or Bill or Alice anymore. Bianca's pregnancy has really helped her, I think.

ETA:
That's a matter of opinion, kariyaki. Hee. It was back when I was complaining about a dream I'd had of Kinks in which they were just arguing amiably over grocery shopping, and 2deadcows told me it was time to take the Kendall Cleans the Fridge tape off loop. Then she added an "innocent" comment that at least I didn't have a thing for Naggie and her plunger, thereby earning herself a place on our sled.

kariyaki, think back to the episode with Kendall cleaning the fridge. Got it? Yeah, I thought so. Anyway, Black Knight posted the following the next day:



to which I replied:

“Black Knight, it's time to take the Kendall Cleans Her Fridge scene off of "loop." Good thing you're not enamored with Maggie and her plunger...”

Upon reading BK’s aghast response, I reread my post, belatedly grasped the underlying, unintended, insinuation and followed-up with:

“ETA: I just realized how truly depraved this post could be interpreted as being. "Ew" doesn't even begin to describe... To paraphrase Maria, people like me shouldn't even be posting. ;-)”

So, does it top your dad’s succinct comment? I submit to the court that mine was unintended. That word in my hands is beginning to sound a lot like Ross Gellar’s “…we were on a break!”

ETA: Damn, BK beat me to the punch. And in an incredibly concise manner too. Bah.

And I submit to the court 2deadcow's own words: “ETA: I just realized how truly depraved this post could be interpreted as being. "Ew" doesn't even begin to describe... To paraphrase Maria, people like me shouldn't even be posting. ;-)”

Heh.

Since you were directly involved with the initial exchange, Black Knight, I don't think you're an impartial observer. I demand arbitration. ;)

Go ahead, use my own words against me. Am I not human? Do I not bleeeed from my self-inflicted wounds?

Hmmm....AMC. Did Boyd look purty today or what?

ETA: And you didn't bold the most important part of my defense - "...this post could be interpreted as being."

Oh yeah, I remember that now. Heh, I thought it was funny. But then you all know who my dad is. He had another crude comment again today about Greenlee but I decided not to offend your delicate sensibilities. Also, I kinda forgot the punchline.

Hee! What can I say, I picked up a few lawyer tricks from bluedevilblue when she was justifying her own perverted thoughts.


It was funny, albeit in a gross, ew-inducing way, but that's toilet humor for you. Definitely rates a seat on the sled. Own your perversion, I always say... (runs off to look at the Kinks banner ad some more)


Then what good are you?? ;-) Write it down next time...

Well, I'll paraphrase then. It was something from today when Greenlee said something about leaving herself wide open. My dad goes, "Just like her legs."

Hey, I did remember the punchline. It was just the set-up I had forgotten.

You people are sick. After all the SisYay and the BroYay you keep talking about, today I saw MoYay, and I blame you all. When Erica was trying to get Kendall to open up to her, she said something to the effect of, "You've tried it with Ryan, and that didn't work, so how about you try it with me now?"

At this point, we've pretty much hit Greek tragedy levels of incest.

Yikes! Right there with you Natey. Incest-o-vision featuring LaKane is not what I ever need to see, but given the tone as of late - well, major brain washing was in short order last night. After that line, I suffered temporary paralysis from the bad place I went, and had to rewind about five minutes to catch the rest of the dialogue I missed.

For the record, I am not shipping the sisters (too bitter that post-Maggie bonding, TIIC have found yet another way to marginalize Lena's interaction with Bianca), although those of you who are are completely cracking me up. Can I squeeze onto the sled? You all are too funny, and I need to warm up. It's too damn cold.

Other observations from yesterday's show:

Jack's head looked like it was about to totally bobble off during the hospital convo with Bianca.

Yay! No Boobe/dumb and dumber SL. Free for a day!

Even though I know where it's heading, RB was just too adorable. What a cutie. But seriously, she truly is chemically-challenged with the boys. Compared with Ryan, her and JP look like nirvana.

Here we go again (for the week of Jan. 19 and taken from the SS):

Maggie decides that what she feels isn't too deep, so carries on with every day doings.

U-huh. Just the thought of recaping this...yay!

I wonder how valid that one is CKD. No source was credited, and I didn't recognize the poster. I hope it's true, and I hope it's for good. I don't exactly think there's much of anything too "deep" about Maggie, plunger jokes aside. I'm greatly looking forward to the messages to Marge on the All Gay Recap if this spoiler is true. I still think Marge is a fake though. Nobody's that stupid, even in that group where few can spell and fewer can use capitalization properly.

I agree that it wasn't Kendall's fault that Mikey came to town. She was just an 'in' for him to help get a foothold in PV. If Kendall hadn't been there he still would have come to town and targeted Enchantment and so on.



Me too. If the triangle will give Lena her fangs back, bring it on. While it's kinda sad seeing her mixing it up with Maggie of all people (not really the most formidable of all opponents), it's a start.

Speaking of the triangle, What Maggie feels isn't too deep? What the hell does that mean? Does she figure if she's not too lovestruck to function, it's all good? "Hmm, I just feel 30% in love with Bianca today. I think I'll do laundry!" Sigh.Black Knight was right, I guess. This triangle stuff is gonna sit and percolate during the trial. Pervy Writer help us.

Bwah, 2deadcows! Sorry to reopen your wounds. No more plunger talk from me but your outrage? Damn funny.

Hee, Marge. She's as dumb as a plunger and, if I were to go by the posts I release to the AGR, then I, too, would think she's fake. But there are quite a few other messages she has sent me and others (that I have not reposted) that are so very violent and vile that I no longer think she's a teen out to have fun.

The Maggie spoiler... yeah, I wonder about its validity as well, but it goes hand-in-hand with spoilers that say Maggie will brush her feelings aside once the trial starts. My nightmare scenario is that they'll do that this month and then drag it all out again once the trial is over, thereby making the Naggie/Baggie saga just about neverending.

ETA: When you said "even in that group where few can spell and fewer can use capitalization properly" I thought you were referring to the AGR and had a semi coronary, but then I realized you were referring to...you know and I felt better. At least I think that's what you meant. *L*

It was. I was speaking of Marge's group. Based on internet postings, there's an obvious difference in intellingence and education between most Lianca fans and you know. The All Gay recap and its posters are at least as intelligent as the TWOP posters, and I think TWOP is the most intelligent website out there.

Edited to add that I'd be very interested in seeing those Marge emails. I just thought she was a Lianca fan mocking the intellectual deficiencies of the other group.