Sabina
Apr 16, 2004 @ 11:13 pm
Take a big big chill pill.
SFHagood
Apr 17, 2004 @ 12:02 am
Do we have a definite word on when Olga's last episode will air?
I'm not watching this steaming pile of shit right now, but I would really like to see Lena's departure.
Even if there is Kinks and the promise of Kinkslee, not even for Aidan will I watch this show right now. I just can't handle it. Especially if Krystal is going to change the DNA test. That's a level of morally bankrupt I don't want to bear witness to.
jenmarie
Apr 17, 2004 @ 12:20 am
Damn when Brooke said "She hasn't lost her mind, she's lost her baby." I choked, up. Man, JB really got me with that. But then I busted out laughing at the look on Aidan's face Bianca said she had nurse Bessimo. See, that was the appropriate moment for an actor to bug his eyes out. I wish someone would tell DT that.
Shut up Krystal. Does anyone actually use the word "fret" anymore? It reminds of an episode of Golden Girls where Blanche's southern cornpone father told Dorothy "Don't your fret none you hear". Dorothy replies she would except that she's not exactly sure what fret none is. Ahem. Sorry, I'm big geek for Golden Girls and Dorothy Zbornak. Ok now back to the show...
I loved that Anita snarked on Maria's confessional.
The Kinks was awesome. It was so lovely, so touching, and so sad.
Mimo fondled Kendall's chest "You're my other mommy... got milk?"
Bwah! I swear to the Dark Father when Bianca started to say she wanted to ask Kendall to hold the baby, for a brief second I thought Bianca was going to ask Kendall to feed Mimo. Mimo definitely has Kendall's eyes.
There's no justification in the world for Kendall to suddenly need Ryan to speak to Bianca for her. She's been through hell and back with Bianca, and they did it together, and alone. She didn't need him, she shouldn't have wanted him, and it just pisses me off so MUCH that HE was the one to sit there and explain it to Bianca, while Kendall was reduced to looking at him pleadingly. GAH!! HATE!!
I hate Frankenbrown too, but I do understand why Kendall simply could not get the words out. She had to do it once already and it was hell, and she simply could not bear it again. While I would have preferred anyone but Frankenbrow be there, I didn't think it was out of line for Kendall to reach out to someone else to help her at that moment. I think she would've accepted help from anyone at that moment, but Frankenbrown just had to be there, because he's Our Lord and Savior. AM's entire performance once she got to the PH was done almost entirely without words. She portrayed so many things panic, dread, and fear among other things. ER and AM were both wonderful.
I. hate. McTrash.
katesus7
Apr 17, 2004 @ 12:22 am
Think of it this way, when Bianca finally snaps and gouges someone's eyeballs out with her fingers, who's it gonna be - her girlfister or the spittling, wide-eyed neanderthal who just reminded Bianca that her baby's dead?
and:
Oh, and Mimo knows who her daddy is too. Did you see her settle into Kendall's arms and grab at her shirt lovingly?
Bwah! Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was still very unhappy with life with I logged back onto this board, but these two quotes had me both smiling and giggling.
Yes, I hope mother-Bianca-wrath is huge, and lasts a long, long time. And I hope she spends at least a bit of that wrath on Frankenbrow. Just because.
And, golly, I might just have to re-watch part of this episode, just to see Mimo bond with her 'other' Mommy. See, Mimo knows. Babies see the obvious.
But, still. Ryan?
Hate!She had to do it once already and it was hell, and she simply could not bear it again.
Yeah, I agree. Well, the rational part of me agrees that of course it would be too hard for ANYONE, much less Kendall, to have to do this twice. And it was probably the right thing for Kendall to do to trust and lean on Ryan. But, well, this is Kendall. I just don't buy her going through such a huge turnaround in such a short amount of time (I mean, technically, how many days has it been since Bianca got to the hospital? Two? Three?).
Kendall's major hang-up has always been that she can't trust anyone. She's always thinking that anyone that she's close to is just one step away from screwing her over. Except Bianca. And even that took months. And, yes, there was that whole horrific slow-mo montage of her and Ryan, and sure, she might be doing her best to trust him, but, well, I just don't buy it. In a situation as important and horrible as this, I just don't see the Kendall I know trusting Ryan, or anyone, enough to handle telling Bianca. I just see her shoving everyone else aside, and feeling that she's the only person who can break the news. I guess I just don't buy this new, improved, Kendall-Ryan connection. It just seems too pat, and contrived, and dumb. And, well, I hate Ryan.
Marabet
Apr 17, 2004 @ 12:42 am
Sorry, I'm big geek for Golden Girls and Dorothy Zbornak.
Well, who isn't? No need to apologize for that. Besides, even Rose showed more average brainpower than virtually all of the people involved in this baby switch SL have.
jenmarie
Apr 17, 2004 @ 12:42 am
katesus7, I'm going fanwank it and say that Kendall was in such complete and utter shock at finding Bianca so "deluded", that she let her defenses down and trusted someone(albeit the wrong person) when she normally wouldn't have.
kariyaki
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:27 am
And as for Ryan, well, yeah, I hate him. He's Frankenbrow. And of course, now I immediately picture Angel Puppet every time I see his stupid face (thank you for that, by the way).
Hee! You're welcome.
I don't even have anything more to say that hasn't already been said. DaddyKendall was just too cute and heartbreaking for words.
LAFFINatU
Apr 17, 2004 @ 5:33 am
And the look on Aidan 's face when Binx said she was nursing the baby.
I loved that look! It had so many emotions at once going but mainly it seemed, "That's disgusting, can I watch." I giggled off and on all day just thinking about that look.
I have to give my mother props; she so totally called Ryan telling Bianca instead of Kendall. My mom said there is no way that Kendall would be able to cope with seeing her sister seemingly lose her grip on reality and then cause her pain. I got to say my mom isn't a Kink's shipper but she definitly sees the "exceedingly closed sisterly bond with dash of corny-horny writers relationship."
silentbob
Apr 17, 2004 @ 11:16 am
In spite of FrankenPuppet at the end, GREAT episode yesterday. Top 10 moments for me:
1) Greenlee: "I want you to be my sister, Bianca."
2) Daddy!Kendall holding Mimo
3) Aidan's reaction to Bianca nursing
4) Binky's Flirty Head Tilt when she teased Kendall about being such a big baby
5) Brooke telling Adam she was proud of him.
6) Bianca's "Binky" joke to Mimo
7) MmmmAnita
8) Greenlee to Mary: "Jackson's my family. Bianca. Kendall, Reggie ... they're my family."
9) Brooke: "She hasn't lost her mind; she's lost her baby!" Julia Barr rocks.
10) Anita: "I would never [cheat on] Bobby. NEVER." Anvil of the Week.
Black Knight
Apr 17, 2004 @ 11:19 am
Ah, Dorothy Zbornak. Man, would I like to hear her insult a few of the characters on this show. She can start with Frankenbrow and Krystal.
It figures, they finally cut Christian Campbell's hair, and it's a lousy haircut. And he still hasn't shaven. And while I'm being shallow, Rebecca is clearly overextending herself these days. She's long had a problem with underneath her eyes, but it was the worst ever in yesterday's ep. Girl needs to cut back on her schedule. (Start by kicking Bachelor Bob to the curb.)
In a situation as important and horrible as this, I just don't see the Kendall I know trusting Ryan, or anyone, enough to handle telling Bianca. I just see her shoving everyone else aside, and feeling that she's the only person who can break the news.
I can fanwank this--as much as I hate, hate, HATE Frankenbrow--for three reasons, one of which has already been mentioned, that of Kendall not being able to deal with causing her happy sister any further pain. Second reason is that Kendall is still in the room, right next to Bianca, so she is able to monitor what's going on--it's not like she left Bianca alone with Frankenbrow. Third reason is that I think she got caught up in the fantasy-that's-really-the-truth a little herself--Kinks on the couch with their girl in their arms. There has to be a part of Kendall that still sees Bianca when she looks in the baby's eyes.
Kendall is notoriously bad at getting words like these out, anyway--she's always required major, insistent prompting from Bianca, and I think part of the problem she was having is that Bianca wasn't doing that this time. Binks was too focused on Mimo to do her normal corner-Kendall-and-force-her-to-tell routine. But I still wish it hadn't been Frankenbrow. On the bright side, it does mean he'll get WrathOfBinky directed his way. She was already looking pissed off at the very end (causing me to oink) and she's pissed off in the previews. Go, Bianca.
One other Kinksy bit that amused me: When Bianca is trapped between Frankenbrow and Kendall on the couch, she puts her free hand in Kendall's and scoots herself over to align herself with her girlfister. It's such a perfect couple-y thing to do. Hee. If they get any more physically in tune with each other, they're going to meld into one person.
I loved that look! It had so many emotions at once going but mainly it seemed, "That's disgusting, can I watch." I giggled off and on all day just thinking about that look.
Who can blame Aidan? Hee. I'm not going to elaborate on the number of inappropriate, but oh-so-enjoyable pervy thoughts that ran through my mind when Bianca and Anita were talking about her rack--excuse me, her discomfort because her breasts are full of milk and she can't nurse--but I was certainly in a happy place.
Y'all know I love Kinks beyond words, and wish they had their lovechild back, but
I can actually see Krystal's viewpoint. Don't misunderstand me, I'll hate her for it (and I'm also pleased that it'll mean the end of Krystal/Tad when it's ultimately revealed), and I'm going to enjoy it when Bianca and Kendall tear into Krystal for it. But unlike Paul, who was utterly inhuman in how he orchestrated the baby switch, Krystal's being all too human. She was in the waiting room, she heard Bianca's anguished screams. David's spelled out for her the torment a parent goes through upon losing a child. She knows exactly what hell is in store for her own daughter if the truth comes out. Yes, it's an awful, shitty thing to do to Bianca--not to mention to us viewers, since it extends the SL further--but Bianca is not her daughter, Babe is. This isn't a defense of Krystal, nothing excuses or justifies her actions, but at least it's a motive I can understand. From the beginning she's shown complete willingness to do shady stuff to help Babe--and the traits that I didn't like in Babe, she learned from her mother. I like the idea that all that is finally leading to a payoff where Babe, and maybe even Krystal, will recognize just how damaging some of Krystal's "mothering" has been.ETA:
10) Anita: "I would never [cheat on] Bobby. NEVER." Anvil of the Week.
What I really loved is that Maria actually called her on it. The audience knows all the rules of soaps, including how anvillicious lines work, and it's nice when every now and then a soap character is allowed to exhibit similar awareness.
Stinkerbella
Apr 17, 2004 @ 12:45 pm
Do we have a definite word on when Olga's last episode will air?
I'm not watching this steaming pile of shit right now, but I would really like to see Lena's departure.
SFHagood, I believe they listed two more air dates for Lena. I think she'll be on April 20th and her last date will be on April 28th...if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't leave much time for a real endearing 'goodbye' for Lianca.
Maybe it'll go something like this:
Lena: Bianca, there is a family emergency and they need me to fly to Chicago.
Bianca: I can still feel Miranda close to me.
Lena: Bianca, are you listening? I have to leave you.
Bianca: Where's Mimo?
Lena: Bianca, I'm so so very sorry. I lahv you..but I'm going now. Forgive me.
Bianca: Ryan is gonna help me find my baby.
Lena: Ah to hell with it! I should have taken the 3 million dollars Erica offered me to leave you alone!
Argh! I missed yesterday's episode! I began watching it and then my sister, who is trying to wean me off AMC, called during the show (on purpose) so I missed it all. I can't believe I missed Kinks and their baby. Is that a sign, dear baby Jesus?
kariyaki
Apr 17, 2004 @ 1:06 pm
Missing Kinks makes the baby Jesus cry. *cough* SoapNet! *cough*
SFHagood
Apr 17, 2004 @ 1:13 pm
Thanks, Stinkerbella. Also, hee.
I'm really ready for these people to move into the angry stage of grief. And then I want them to find some pitchforks and torches and march there happy selves over to OLTL world, find Pugly, and skewer and roast him.
I am, however, thinking about tuning in to Friday's ep on Sunday so I can catch Brooke. I love her to much to ignore her screen time.
Dorothy and Sophia would make mince meat out of these idiots. That would be so much fun to watch!
Black Knight
Apr 17, 2004 @ 1:55 pm
Brooke's scenes are brief, but definitely worth watching. I was cracking up at her entrance, when I saw that she had a black smudge on her face, and couldn't wait to hear how that'd happened. And, of course, Julia killed her later lines about Bianca. Is it too much to hope for that we could get a Brooke/Adam/Mary triangle? For all McTrash's faults, she likes AMC history and writing for vets--it's the youth-obsessed network twits who interfere, though that attitude isn't restricted to ABC. *cough* NBC *cough*
SkiffyPup
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:00 pm
Well, Eden said we'd love the goodbye stuff ... but she is a company gal.
I imagine it'll be "I'll wait for you ... like you waited for me."-ish. Then, they can use that offscreen long distance lahv to keep the BAM away and the rest of Bianca's Bitches safe ladies in waiting ... Except for Kendall! [/oink]
Mystic0
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:02 pm
Ryan? Hate!
Buddy, I'm with you. My hate peaked when the damn director was showing his stupid mug when Bianca was making sweet verbal love to her GF. Yo, director person? When Kinks are sharing couch time and murmuring about their beautiful forbidden love to each other, there
are no other cast members that need face time, k? Write that shit down if you are the forgetful type.
Missing Kinks makes the baby Jesus cry.
Bwah! So true...
She's long had a problem with underneath her eyes, but it was the worst ever in yesterday's ep.
Yeah, my Grams called me after the show and asked if she missed a part where Binky took a swing at Greens. I looked at my tape and Rebecca had some baggage going on for sure. She's still beautiful but maybe she should follow Eden's lead and book some spa time.
If they get any more physically in tune with each other, they're going to meld into one person.
Mmmm......Kinks. Can we have cohabiting Kinks now? Please, Dark Father?
superdiva80
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:13 pm
I'm not really into Kinks like you guys, I see them as being very sweet and sisterly, which is odd because most soap sisters fight. But I do have a Kinks theory. I think TPB do know about the subtext and how it's being seen and that they're going to use it as long as possible to avoid giving Bianca a real love interest. Why would she need a girlfriend when she's got her sister ALWAYS around her. Plus they can make them say all this lovey stuff and be affectionate and viewers aren't offended by it but if it was Bianca and Lena there's an uproar. It's pretty ingenious, and also sad.
Black Knight
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:30 pm
My hate peaked when the damn director was showing his stupid mug when Bianca was making sweet verbal love to her GF.
Oh, that was ridiculous--it wasn't even a quick reaction shot, but a whole long pan to Ryan. Sheesh. Made me wonder if the ep was directed by the same guy who directed the lamaze class ep, in which Babe/JR were shown talking while Kinks was clearly up to something just off-camera. Still, I'll love Bianca forever for scooting away from Frankenbrow, over to her GF. And, of course, Eden made me even more her bitch by laying her head on Alicia's shoulder. That was the perfect final touch to the Kinks-with-lovechild sofa tableau. Ah, Kinks and their sofas.
She's still beautiful but maybe she should follow Eden's lead and book some spa time.
Or they could give each other massages. Why on earth is Eden
paying someone to do that?
And what else did your Grams say?
lboogy
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:33 pm
There's no justification in the world for Kendall to suddenly need Ryan to speak to Bianca for her. She's been through hell and back with Bianca, and they did it together, and alone. She didn't need him, she shouldn't have wanted him, and it just pisses me off so MUCH that HE was the one to sit there and explain it to Bianca.
I have to echo this statement as well. If Kendell couldn't(find the words) than what about Reggie? Is like they wanna shovel the suck that is Ryan down everybody throat. The scene could've been so much more believable had Reggie been there. A big glaring mistake by the writers of AMC, imho.
SkiffyPup
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:40 pm
BK- Probably because she wants to be massaged, not pawed by some oinking pig. BWAH! And please paste your whole post in the Kinksthread for momma, k? Your enthusiasm is missed over there.
Superdiva- There was no uproar against any Lianca. Even conservatives wanted them to get down already ... you know? That. of course, doesn't mean that your spec is not what was feared by the hacks. But I don't think that's entirely it.
jenmarie
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:51 pm
If Kendell couldn't(find the words) than what about Reggie? Is like they wanna shovel the suck that is Ryan down everybody throat. The scene could've been so much more believable had Reggie been there.
I actually thought David would've been the best choice.
superdiva80
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:57 pm
I see your point Skiffypup but I also see it in the opposite way. I don't think there was really any Lianca to be in an uproar over. They had their big kiss and there's been maybe two pecks thrown in but they haven't had an actual relationship. At least not on screen. We're alot closer to seeing Kendall and Bianca raising Mimo than Bianca and her girlfriend.
Black Knight
Apr 17, 2004 @ 2:59 pm
I love Reggie, but that would have been too much for him to deal with. He's a teenager. He couldn't handle hearing her screams a couple of weeks ago. Plus Bianca is notoriously stubborn and very difficult to deal with when she's in denial (even though she's right, this time). Uncle Foo Foo would've been the next best choice, but he's off dealing with Lily, so I would've gone with Myrtle next.
The only advantage Reggie would have is that Bianca feels a big-sister responsibility for him and so generally tries not to burden him with more than he can handle, but in a situation where her baby's being taken away from her, I'm not sure just how much she'd be capable of toning down her words and actions for him. Even if she could, it's a little unfair, not to mention probably psychologically unhealthy, to try to keep her in control by using her caretaker instincts against her. She's better off expressing her feelings and grief as much as she can.
But I think it was mostly that Kendall didn't realize that she wouldn't be able to get the words out herself until she was actually with Bianca. And so Frankenbrow took over. I'm sure Kendall will get involved on Monday's episode, as Bianca is not looking remotely inclined to listen to Frankenbrow. She trusts Kendall the most, so it'll take Kendall to turn her around. Of course, that's not necessarily a good thing, since Bianca is quite right that the baby is hers. Sigh. It's all Frankenbrow's fault. I bet Binks could convince Kendall to listen to her, or at least to consider the possibility, otherwise.
Stinkerbella
Apr 17, 2004 @ 4:01 pm
Is it too much to hope for that we could get a Brooke/Adam/Mary triangle?
Should we start praying and pimping for a
new and
improved BAM? A BAM for 2004. A BAM that doesn't churn our stomachs. A BAM with maturity. A BAM with more evil and conniving possibilities. A love triangle for the old folks to get their groove on. And most importantly, a damn storyline for Brooke!...with Mary!
And folks, please quit talking about Kinks and their baby. Not that I don't support Kinks, I bought my sled ticket to hell a loooong time ago...its just that all this talk about Kinks and their love child is making me jealous because I didn't get to see Mimo in Kendall's arms. And I don't have Soapnet. Yep, this is my sad life...no second chances for some pervy Kinks viewing. I really think Jesus hates me. Or maybe its a good thing I didn't get to see Kinks & Mimo because from what I've read, Ryan ruined it. I think if I saw that asscake interfere with Kinks & Mimo...I would have gone on a murderous rampage. Maybe baby Jesus was trying to keep me out of trouble.
Oh
Kinks My Kinks!
lboogy
Apr 17, 2004 @ 4:32 pm
Yeah, Jackson or Myrtle would've made very good choices as well as David. Agree that Reggie is too young.
Ryan was just a bad choice, imho.
Black Knight
Apr 17, 2004 @ 5:06 pm
Or maybe its a good thing I didn't get to see Kinks & Mimo because from what I've read, Ryan ruined it.
Frankenbrow's power is not as strong as the power of Kinks, fortunately. There was a poor directing choice at one point, but it was still quite Kinksy. And Ryan was NOT in the camera frame with Kinks when Bianca put "our baby, our Miranda" in Kendall's arms, wrapped her own arms around her GF, and laid her head on her GF's shoulder. (happy sigh) How much more maintext can Kinks get, I ask, short of onscreen shagging?
Speaking of such, I went to that cappies site that has daily pictures of anything with Bianca, Lena or Naggie, to look for appropriate pics from yesterday's ep, and I get an error message. Does anyone know what's up with that site?
Ryan was just a bad choice, imho.
Oh, I agree. My (poorly-expressed) point was that I don't think it was really a choice--he happened to be the only other one there when Kendall realized she couldn't tell Bianca herself. Maybe she should've gotten up and called David or Myrtle--or, more likely, if she'd just been alone with Bianca, Bianca would've eventually stopped misinterpreting Kendall's tears and choked words and started pressing her, which is what Kendall always needs to tell her girlfister anything difficult--but it seemed like Lord Ryan stepped in and took over. Plus Kendall was probably also concerned about the time issue--she didn't know that Babe had convinced everyone to wait, and for all she knew the cops were about to show up, which would've been the worst possible scenario.
SkiffyPup
Apr 17, 2004 @ 5:29 pm
SON Previews, teasers, and interesting casting tidbittery...
Here.Elsewhere around SON- Soaper whot got on board the primetime Pilot train. One is a cutie from GL that is in the new Marti Noxon (ex-Buffy scribe) pilot.
Black Knight
Apr 17, 2004 @ 6:27 pm
Let the betting begin on which guy is intended to cater to La Lucci's desire to get the same perk as Robin Strasser and Cat Hickland have on OLTL--i.e. a hot romance with a hot younger man--since her efforts to get a renewed David/Erica relationship failed. (It's fine with me, really, since the Kane-Montgomery sibling foursome have bonded to the point that they'll interact regardless of Jerica's on/off again relationship, and that extended family was the only reason I cared about Jerica being together. The only Erica pairing I've ever cared about for itself was Erica/Dimitri. Too bad Michael Nader can never be brought back. Sniff.)
Personally, I say let Susan have Thorsten Kaye, and leave Christian for the Greenlee/Bobby/Anita/Aidan quad.
Hee, Kendall refuses Uncle Foo Foo's urging to run to Vegas to see Mommy. But does Frankenbrow have to be the reason she refuses? Blech. I can see Kendall refusing because she's angry at Erica still and because she doesn't want to leave Bianca, but not wanting to leave Frankenbrow makes no sense. Ryan loves Erica and would want Kendall to go, so maybe that spoiler's just worded misleadingly.
SFHagood
Apr 17, 2004 @ 11:37 pm
Re: the SON previews "Ryan decides to turn the tables on Kendall. Ryan uses Greenlee in his plans to test Kendall." Asshat. Asshat, Asshat, Asshat. And really, that's all I have to say about that. Oh, wait...Asshat. 'k.
Ugh. I do not even want to think about Berica. Yuck. And you know, if the kids stay together like there are, I'd say Jack should stay the hell away from Erica for a while. She's toxic, and he deserves better than that. Besides, David & Dorian are hot sex because they're all schemy and delicious. Rex & Lindsey are hot sex mostly because of Cath, really. Berica, however, is just wrong. Put her with someone young, fine, whatever. Just not Bobby.
BAM version 2.0 works for me.
jenmarie
Apr 18, 2004 @ 3:52 am
About those spoilers, I wonder how many months we're going to get of
Krystal feeling guilty, Krystal deciding the tell the truth but changing her mind at the last minute, or Krystal convincing herself she did the right thing?Ugh. I do not even want to think about Berica. Yuck. And you know, if the kids stay together like there are, I'd say Jack should stay the hell away from Erica for a while.
The only aspect of the Jerica relationship I like right now are all the kids. I personally can't stand Erica, and I hate the way she treats Jack. So if they can manage to keep the kids together as a family without actually having Jack and Erica together, I'm all for it.
lilac2000
Apr 18, 2004 @ 10:31 am
Two years? Are they serious? I see a couple of problems with this scenario (besides all the Give Bianca her baby back now issues.) 1. Wouldn't the writers want to maximize the emotional impact of seeing an infant being put back into her mother's arms? 2. Very rarely do you see two year olds on soaps. They're too unpredictable. This is why they SORAS. A two-year old being given back to her soap mother while staring at her real mother standing behind the camera loses something. However, knowing what Megan McTavish is capable of makes me doubt nothing.
Black Knight
Apr 18, 2004 @ 12:10 pm
I don't recall Krystal ever showing one iota of guilt for anything shady she's ever done to help her daughter (granted, I've FF'd her a fair amount), and I don't expect her to start now. She has a certain...pragmatism when it comes to Babe that completely overrides any moral issues, not that she seems to be strong in that department to begin with. Maybe after Babe finds out the truth and rips into her mother, but I don't expect to see Krystal wavering and tormenting herself before that. She likes Bianca, but every time she sees Bianca in pain, it isn't going to make her feel so much guilty as it'll make her more determined that her daughter not suffer like that, especially since Babe told Krystal she didn't think she could survive at all.
I can see AMC/OLTL taking two years to return Babe's baby to her, but I doubt it will take as long to return Mimo to Bianca. The way the SL's been set up, it's much easier to figure out that Mimo is Bianca's than to figure out what happened to Ace, and from the AMC characters' POV, the question is which baby died in the crash, not whether any baby died at all. OLTL's side of the story is essentially long-term; Kelly, Todd and Pugly pulled off the baby-stealing in order to maintain the status quo of Kelly's marriage to Kevin, so that OLTL can set up and plow through a lot of SL involving the Kelly/Kevin/Blair/Todd quad first. I personally don't expect to see the truth about Ace come out until Todd and Blair have been back together for some time, and even their reunion is at least some ways down the road. In short, Ace is the ticking time bomb that's set to explode after a lot of current SL has played out and the OLTL characters are all positioned in the way that will make the revelation most devastating. That's fine for OLTL, but AMC needs a shorter SL to play out in the interim while waiting for OLTL to be ready to reveal the Ace baby switch--and that would be the Finding Mimo SL. Going by when the reveal would be most devastating--well, Babe and JR are happy together, so there's no need to wait on account of them, but with Krystal's involvement, I suspect it'll happen after Krystal's gotten together with either David or Tad. So maybe August sweeps, with the ensuing fight over Mimo dragging out until November sweeps.Mostly to avoid an entire post of black lines:
So if they can manage to keep the kids together as a family without actually having Jack and Erica together, I'm all for it.
That's where Jack being Bianca's uncle helps, since it makes Bianca, Reggie and Greenlee family regardless. And since Kendall has bonded strongly with Bianca and Reggie, the only weak link is Kendall/Greenlee, but their connections to Bianca, Ryan, Jack and Reggie will keep them interacting regardless of whether they're on good terms with each other or not. Which brings up something else I find interesting--even though Greenlee and Bianca are currently only cousins, Greenlee has put a very heavy emphasis on being sisters with Bianca. And she's not really basing that on Jerica's potential future marriage, because by all rights that puts Kendall on an equal footing with Bianca--they would both be Greenlee's stepsisters. But Greenlee basically ignores that. I don't necessarily think it's intentional, more subconscious on her part, but it's indicative nonetheless. I think Greenlee listing Kendall as part of her family to Mary on Friday was the first time Greenlee's ever acknowledged Kendall as such.
kariyaki
Apr 18, 2004 @ 12:19 pm
Unspoiler-tagging this part because it's speculation.
So maybe August sweeps, with the ensuing fight over Mimo dragging out until November sweeps.
Do you mean July sweeps? There's no sweeps period in August, it's July.
silentbob
Apr 18, 2004 @ 12:35 pm
I've been spoiler-free -- are the writers really considering dragging the Mimo storyline to November?!?
I think Greenlee listing Kendall as part of her family to Mary on Friday was the first time Greenlee's ever acknowledged Kendall as such
Can you blame her for wanting to be Kendall's, um, "sister"?
jenmarie
Apr 18, 2004 @ 1:41 pm
I don't recall Krystal ever showing one iota of guilt for anything shady she's ever done to help her daughter (granted, I've FF'd her a fair amount), and I don't expect her to start now.
Well there is the one spoiler for next week about
Krystal feeling guilty, but I don't know how strong the feeling is or even if it will last. Even if it is out of character for her to feel really guilty or conficted over it, she's got to, because it's the only way in my mind McTrash will be able to salvage the character. If instead Krystal walks around with the mentality of better Bianca suffer than Babe, she'll never recover, because it's cruel. Hell even if she does feel guilty and in the end tries to do the right thing, her character still might not recover.Do you mean July sweeps? There's no sweeps period in August, it's July.
I didn't know there were July sweeps. I thought there was May and November and that was it.
kariyaki
Apr 18, 2004 @ 2:26 pm
May, November, February, July. July doesn't get a whole lot of publicity since prime time shows are usually in summer reruns at that time. Whenever networks debut summer shows, it's because of July sweeps. Like FOX did for 90210 that one time.
holdencaulfield2003
Apr 18, 2004 @ 3:13 pm
just read a spoiler that the actress who plays Joey's agent on Friends is playing a wardrobe mistress in Las Vegas starting on the 22nd
SkiffyPup
Apr 18, 2004 @ 6:48 pm
Sweeps will shortly be a thing of the past. Sometime during the year, barring a court freakout like the one Fox recently threw in NYC local market, it should all be switched over to continuous metering. Neilsen Sweeps 24/7 Yo. LA is already on it, I think. Thank God and The Dark Father! I hate sweeps and the way those periods distort stories from daytime to primetime, and I bet the cable stations and companies are downright ecstatic to see the end of the old viewer diaries.
snarkyb
Apr 18, 2004 @ 7:00 pm
I'm trying to catch up on the show (and about 150 pages of postings) after being gone for a month, so I have a question that I'm not sure has been asked yet (or maybe I just missed it). I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv, but maybe one of our friendly lawyers in the audience can help me. After Mimo supposedly died, some lawyer from Cambias Industries showed up and told Ryan that he was in control of CI again (and of course Ryan yelled and yelled and yelled at him). How the heck would that occur?????? Mimo was born alive, and there were 2 witnesses that she was born (Babe and Paul). So, if she died in the helicopter crash (which she didn't but that's beside the point) wouldn't her next of kin (Bianca) then inherit CI and everything???? How can some CI lawyer show up and try to give CI back to Ryan??????
A second question (for all the Olga fans). I just got the most recent SOD, and noted that Olga is once again (for the 100th time?) listed as the Favorite Actress on AMC (I think she's been the winner of this poll the entire time she's been on the show). Do you think we can/should still vote for her as the Favorite Actress on AMC after she leaves the show? I think that would be a GREAT thing to do, to show her how much we luv and appreciate her work, and to show TPTB what idiots there were for not utilizing her to her full potential.
Good luck on MI-5 Olga - I'll start tuning in as soon as it returns to A&E.
Mysticks Muse
Apr 18, 2004 @ 7:34 pm
How the heck would that occur?????? Mimo was born alive, and there were 2 witnesses that she was born (Babe and Paul). So, if she died in the helicopter crash (which she didn't but that's beside the point) wouldn't her next of kin (Bianca) then inherit CI and everything???? How can some CI lawyer show up and try to give CI back to Ryan??????
Answers as follows in the order that you asked the questions:
(1) Because it's a soap and the writers (Pervy excepted) are too busy smoking or snorting something to bother researching how things are done in the real world.
(2) Yes, unless Alex Cambius had put something different in his will, which we have no evidence of. So, see Number 1.
(3) See Number 1.
kariyaki
Apr 18, 2004 @ 8:03 pm
How the heck would that occur?????? Mimo was born alive, and there were 2 witnesses that she was born (Babe and Paul). So, if she died in the helicopter crash (which she didn't but that's beside the point) wouldn't her next of kin (Bianca) then inherit CI and everything???? How can some CI lawyer show up and try to give CI back to Ryan?????
If Alex specifically stated in the will that the estate goes back to Ryan should the Cambiass heir not live to adulthood, the CI lawyers can very much show up and do just what they did. We have no way of knowing how Alex's will played out for every exact detail (Thankfully. The entire reading of a will would sure make for some coma-induction.) so I'm assuming that the above is pretty much what happened.
SkiffyPup
Apr 18, 2004 @ 8:25 pm
This one is old old .. but almost as funny as the last McT one:
here
Mysticks Muse
Apr 18, 2004 @ 8:59 pm
Even if Alex's will gave Alex's estate to Ryan in the event Miranda didn't survive, I think Chandler, Enchantment and Fusion were Michael's. That was never really clear, but if they were taken over using Michael's money, they would pass through Michael's estate, not Alex's.
kariyaki
Apr 18, 2004 @ 9:10 pm
But it was proven that Michael died first. That was a big deal so far as who the Chandler/Enchantment/Fusion companies went to because they were in dispute between Ryan, Alex's heir, and Kendall, Michael's "spouse". The faux marriage made the custodial issue a moot point but the coroner's autopsy had Michael's time of death before Alex's, rendering all of his estate over to Alex. So ALL of the Cambiass holdings rely on Alex's will.
Mysticks Muse
Apr 18, 2004 @ 9:31 pm
the coroner's autopsy had Michael's time of death before Alex's, rendering all of his estate over to Alex.
Yes, Michael died first, and I've not dealt with this issue, but as an unborn heir of Michael's, I think Miranda would have had just as valid a claim against his estate as she did against Alex's. The fact that she wasn't born yet didn't affect her claim against Alex's estate, why should it affect her claim against Michael's? I guess maybe Michael had an offscreen will that left everything to Alex.
krizmic
Apr 19, 2004 @ 12:17 am
OK, it's been said, but bears repeating. I just rewatched Friday's show...
Babe. Rocks. Alexa has totally come into her own and the writers have smartened up and written Babe softer, not as gold-diggy...she is such a good friend to our Bianca.
And Kinks, my Kinks...I love you Kinks...even Mimo feels the Kinks.
Kinks is Love.
kariyaki
Apr 19, 2004 @ 12:32 am
Michael died first, and I've not dealt with this issue, but as an unborn heir of Michael's, I think Miranda would have had just as valid a claim against his estate as she did against Alex's. The fact that she wasn't born yet didn't affect her claim against Alex's estate, why should it affect her claim against Michael's? I guess maybe Michael had an offscreen will that left everything to Alex.
I don't think Michael HAD a will which is why his estate was in such dispute over his time of death. Since he died first, it all went over to his next of kin, Alex. So it affect's Mimo's inheritance because there was no estate left of Michael's anymore, it was all Alex's.
About Friday's ep (I only just now got around to watching it, as opposed to just listening to it like I did the first time), I found it interesting how Anita found Mauria's infidelity explanation to be an "it's not you, it's me" copout, only to have Bianca recite this exact line when she doesn't want to let Greenlee hold Mimo. I don't know what to make of it, really. Probably just a coincidence.
Oh, and why does it not surprise me that Ryan drives a flashy, red penismobile?
krizmic
Apr 19, 2004 @ 1:15 am
Oh, and why does it not surprise me that Ryan drives a flashy, red penismobile?
LMAO!
kariyaki you consistently crack me up.
SkiffyPup
Apr 19, 2004 @ 1:26 am
It could be a surprise to those who noticed he has the girl Harley Motorcycle. LOL. Still- Penismobile. It shall be called that forevermore.
luv2surf
Apr 19, 2004 @ 1:46 am
Sorry in advance, I'm still catching up, but did we come to some kind of consensus on the 'preemie' issue of Babe's baby, thus making it obvious it's not Miranda (who was more or less full term)?
I know I shouldn't be asking about these logical snafus, as Mystics Muse posted upthread about the smoking and the Trash and the soap factor, but still, was this addressed? Every time they say how perfect Mimo/Bess is, I just want to yell "yeah, for a preemie...it's AMAZING. Idiots." it's just a soap, it's not real-I know.
And cause it can't be said enough: Shut. Up. And. DIE. Ryan. grr. Assface. Frankenbrow. Ooh the hate.
Also, this is total spec but off the spoiler that Ryan's brother is getting cast, and the theme of Older Woman/Younger Man romance, does anyone else think Erica's going to be all over this one? It'll be the perfect post-Jack or Independent!Erica thing to do, IMO.
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