But it's singing in my head, too! Kaidan. Sniff. I miss them so. They both bring the pretty and the hot and the sexy and the slurpy. Mmm.

::pipes up meekly:: I love me some Kendall/Ryan. I'm looking foward to today's ep. I've kept my mouth shut so far since I already admitted I'm a Bammer. Adding "Rendall" adoration to that might have been too much for some. *giggle*

The Bammer situation, btw? It's not so much that I desperately desire for them to actually hook up. I simply enjoy their friendship. I like them together. Very much like my enjoyment of Kinks. Obviously I'm not rooting for a real incestuous relationship. *snicker* But Kendall and Bianca's relationship is by far my absolute favorite on the show. No romantic hook-up could ever top what those 2 have. heh.

I'd post about the last 2 episodes, but I think it's been pretty extensively covered and I'm not nearly as capable of expressing my thoughts regarding it as the rest of you. But believe me, it's been quite some time since something on tv has affected me so much. God damn, I worship me some Lish and Eden.

If there is a love train for the way Binky screamed "ABORTION" at Erica yesterday, I wanna buy a first-class ticket. Holy crap, that rocked. Best. Delivery. Ever.

Anyway, while I agree that Anita's character has really served no useful purpose, she is so, so pretty. Bobby, on the other hand, could be an interesting character but comes off as a complete tool. The actor who plays him is pretty good, but I liked the original Playa!Bobby much better.


The actress is much better than I expected, but I hate the mere idea and existence of her character, so the writers really can't do anything to make me like her.

I didn't buy Erica on Monday, and I didn't buy her yesterday. For one thing, I think at some point in her quest to stay "young" she had her tear ducts removed. Because crying causes wrinkles, y'all!



This, and Erica saying she understood why Bianca was "lashing out" made me realize that she wasn't really listening to one damn thing Bianca said, other than to turn it around so that she's the misunderstood, loving mother. She's determined that Bianca is just behaving irrationally because of her grief and refuses to understand where Erica is coming from, and of COURSE Kendall has to "betray" Erica as well. So she takes off in an absolute snit. Fine, I don't think anyone is going to be missing you any time soon. Well, except for poor, puppy dog Jack.

I also liked the various interactions yesterday, although during the Jack/Tad scene, I thought "well, Tad does know what it's like to lose a child", and during the Jack/Edmund scene, I thought "well, Edmund does know what it's like to "lose" a child, and have it disappear in the river". And then I thought, damn this show hates babies. Almost as much as God hates Bianca.

Hi QueenBess. Welcome. The only thing worth seeing on GH is Jane Eliot's Tracy. She is the bomb.
random person, We love your tasteless ass here and you know it.

What I really really want is for the to hook up Anita and Bianca! Put them together in a story so it can happen, k? I'll settle for Babe too. But never ... never the Magpie. Guppyface! Worst actor on the show who doesn't have a penis.

Well, I'm going to join CKD and random person on the unpopular minority opinion train because I really didn't like the "abortion" scream. Because, you know what? Bianca wanted to have an abortion at one point too. And if someone else decides to get an abortion after they've been raped, THAT'S OKAY. I don't need Bianca yelling it like it's some dirty word and only truly horrible people would ever suggest it as an option. Yeah, before they used to always say "terminate," but now that the baby is alive and cute they can yell the word "abortion" to show everyone how terrible it really is and no one should do it.

Or maybe I'm over-reacting just a bit. ;)

Edited because ranting leads to bad grammar!

Thanks, SkiffyPup. Jane Eliot does indeed rock, and in fact a few of the actors on TFGH rock; they're just given utter dreck to work with these days.

Hi and EEEE! back, jenmarie.

*going back to the TFGH thread where I belong*

The ship is becoming a legit ship. people. Fan art:
KinksIsLove
http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v26/cas...phics/kinks.jpg

I really liked Ryan & Kendall together after she first returned in 2002. So I pose this question to you experts because I missed CM's last episode that year: why did Ryan leave? Did he walk in on Kendall trying to sass it up to Aiden? I remember the SL, I just have no idea what Ryan saw and how he left. Was there a big speech or something? Thanks in advance to anyone who answers this dumb question.

No, queenbess! Stay. waves

That reminds me, Skiffy, I quite enjoyed seeing Anita, Lena and Bianca all in one room together (I ignored the midget in the corner). So. Much. Pretty. We haven't seen Anita interact with a conscious Bianca, but I'm sure they'd have chemistry because Eden has chemistry with practically everyone. But I would quite like a Babe/Bianca pairing too.

Speaking of Anita, I was thinking yesterday that this is the only problem AMC's having with the introduction of Bobby and Anita--it's obviously they have no idea of what they want to do with these two romantically. I appreciate the slow integration of them into the canvas, instead of shoving them down our throats and fluffing madly, but it's still isn't a good idea to not have a clear direction for these two characters. It's one thing to chemistry-test a new character with other characters, but it's kind of different when the show's chemistry-testing two "new" characters who are married to each other with other actors. It brings up the question of whether I should be investing in Bobby and Anita's marriage or not, and the fact that they both seem to be fundamentally good people is making that cloudier. But yet there are their interactions with Greenlee and Aidan and Erica that may or may not go anywhere, serving to muck up the picture further. I think AMC needs to give us a clearer idea of Bobby and Anita as a couple first before playing around with these other potential hookups. (And it would also help if the scenes they do give us of Bobby and Anita were not stuffed into hugely dramatic episodes centering around the baby switch SL.)

kariyaki, I forgot to mention before, but on my rewatch I noticed what you said about AMC chopping off non-Kane-Women scenes as closely to the actors' last line or look as possible. I figure the Kane Women scenes have been taking longer to play out than would normally be indicated by the number of script pages taken up by their dialogue.


I think that's why Bianca's tactic of staying mostly controlled was so effective in the end. If she'd been screaming her head off, it would've been much easier for Erica to continue to dismiss what Bianca was saying. But by the end, Erica did finally realize she was in serious, serious trouble with her daughter that goes way beyond what some insincere apologies and comforting can fix. Mind you, I do agree that what Erica took away from the entire thing was "Shit, my daughters hate me, waaaaahhhh" as opposed to "I really screwed up and I should be sorry for the pain I caused," but even getting Erica to realize the former and take it seriously as more than just a one-off lashing-out is a major accomplishment in itself.


I'm in the first-class car with you, silentbob. I'm embarrassed to admit how many times I rewound that, and it was just as amazing the last time I heard it as it was the first.

I never felt that Bianca really wanted one so much as she felt that it initially was the only option. I think it's beyond natural for just about anyone's first reaction in that situation to want to have an abortion. The fact that Erica presented it as the only option didn't help. I kinda thought that Bianca was understandably influenced by the situation, her own confusion, and Erica's adamant position more than it was ever a clear decision on her part to abort. I've never felt that Bianca's decision to keep the baby was an attack on anyone who would choose to have an abortion. To me, the show has always hammered in the decision angle. Various characters have said repeatedly that it was Bianca's individual choice and either way she went was right for her. YMMV, of course.

Bianca seemed to assume at the very start that of course she'd abort, but as soon as she started thinking about it, she seemed to lean towards having the child. She'd seen Kendall right after she learned she was pregnant, and while she couldn't really respond to Kendall at the time, later on she talked to Jack about how Kendall had been so sweet and that she was thinking about how if Erica had aborted Kendall, Kendall would never have existed. Very early on Bianca was leaning towards having the child. But Erica pushed, and then there was the ugly scene with Kendall and Erica in which Kendall made it all about herself, and screamed at Bianca to abort her baby to avoid a repeat of Kendall/Erica, and then Erica herself reinforcing that point after Kendall flounced out. Then Bianca got the check from the Cambias estate and that pushed her over the edge.

What Bianca said to Maggie after she returned from the clinic and Maggie asked her what happened was pretty indicative, I think, of her overall state of mind: She said that what happened was "what she had wanted to happen." In short, she knew she really wanted the baby, but she'd been scared into an abortion by fears of the rape-child legacy that Erica in particular had tried to drown her in. It wasn't a case of Bianca wanting the abortion until Kendall was all sweet to her at the clinic, and then changing her mind. I don't think she ever really wanted one. Which is fine. What's right for Erica isn't right for her.

queenbess, you might very well be watching the wrong show. While GH has quite a few phenomenal actors, they often unable to rise above the dreck that's considered a GH script. AMC doesn't have great writers by any means but they're juuuust good enough for the actors to be able to turn shit to shinola and make for a compelling show. If the writing on AMC was as bad as GH's, I'd quit this show in a heartbeat.

senso (and partly for swtrgrl because I'm sure she remembers this as she was posting here more regularly back then), in 2002 when Kryan first kicked up, I loved them too. Biiiig Kryan lover. But then he left when he walked in on her fucking around with Aidan. No argument about it either, he promptly packed his shit on his motorcycle and left just as she arrived trying to explain herself.

But the reason the Kryan love waned is kinda complex. First off, while the puppet man was away, they hooked Kendall up with Aidan. Dear God, those two were the hottest thing EVER. Then they broke them up, Aidan got boring over in Mauria's storyline while Kendall got mixed up with Michael. Then just as we were getting our Kaidan back, here comes Ryan to ruin it all. And I just can't get into them as a couple because I feel Aidan understands Kendall more and accepts her for who she is. He's the Jack to her Erica. Ryan just seems to want to rescue her and change her. And that was fine in 2002 when Kendall was a screwed up mess without a friend in the world but a lot's changed in two years. Kendall doesn't need that anymore.

I agree that an argument can be made that Bianca never really wanted an abortion; I think what I'm having so much trouble with is yesterday really felt like they were equating abortion with murder in a way I have a lot of trouble with. Wanting your daughter to have an abortion at 4 weeks and wanting her newborn baby to drown are two VERY different things (regardless of how Erica really felt at any point in this process). I felt that the show wasn't making that distinction.

What a tool. Thanks, kariyaki, and ITA. Kryan worked the first time around because no one was on Kendall's side then but Ryan (who was always a tool, IMO) was. And even though I missed that episode, I basically figured out Ryan left without letting Kendall explain herself, and hated him automatically for it. I missed a lot of Kaiden, but I did like the conversations they had at the bar Aiden bartended, and that time Kendall saved his job. So I was already liking him more than Ryan, but as you stated, the Mauria SL ruined everything, and practically forced me to stop watching for about a year.

Another reason I can't feel the Kryan this time around is because Ryan is all over the damn place, and I don't know whether they're aiming for Gryan or Kryan. And I do still hate Ryan. But it's not like I'm alone in this anyway.

I know this is a soap and all, but there's no way Danielle could have pulled that off at a real store. And who closes a store without emptying the register?

I'm a sucker for a boatload of charm and a cute accent! Right here! Right here!

Yeah, I miss Chris Stamp too, Kymness. <snerk>

Another thing about Kryan this time around is that before, Alicia wasn't outshining CamMath as bad as she is now. I believe (and I am not a long time viwer, so I could be wrong) that Alicia was fairly new back then, and she is now more comfortable with her role, whereas Cam is still screaming, pouting, and being fluffed. Something happed while CamMath was gone - part of it was that Alicia became a better actress, and, maybe Cam didn't grow or maybe he got worse, but to me, the hard part is that Alicia is so busy acting rings around Cam that I don't care about Kryan. He is the Carlos to her Greenlee, if you will.

Plus, Ryan was also a much more tolerable character back then because he got to be in scenes with Leo (sigh), the pre-Shaggy JR, and Liza (where the hell has she been?) as opposed to the constant McGrabbyfluffing that we've gotten in the past six months.

Random question, since I was away for several weeks -- does the "Mo" in MiMo stand for Mona or Montgomery or both?

Mona.

It's Miranda Mona. Kendall (god bless her) coined MiMo at the weddi... erm, baby shower right after Bianca did the name reveal.

Damn, Skiffy beat me. Oh well, I'll comment on Kryan instead.

Yeah, Alicia was new when Kryan first started up. She and Cam were pretty much on the same level acting-skillwise (but I found HER much more charming). Since Cam's been gone, Alicia's grown by leaps and bounds while he's remained stagnant. Aiden has grown too because during Kaidan Round 1, Alicia was carrying him in the scenes but during Round 2, they were more on the same level.

Now if we ever get to round 3, we may be back in the round 1 situation because Alicia has gotten so much better in the last six months that it's not even funny. I'm not sure Aiden has had the opportunity to get that much better.

The reason that I personally am for Ryan/Aidan HoYay is because these are two of the most useless characters on AMC right now. Aidan really has nothing to do and while cute, serves no real purpose. Ryan is the most irritating shoved down our throats intrusive character on the show. So they might as well hook up and be entertaining for us. Besides, I'd love for Ryan to do one of his patented Arm Grabs on Aidain and watch Aidan kick his ass.

OK, many of us, myself included, have been saying that Alicia can be more powerful with her expressions than her words...the last few days have evidenced that, but today??

Wow. Anyone with me? Her blank, expressionless, "I-can't-even-dry-my-hair-or-eat-without-Bianca-and-Miranda-to-live-for" face is really powerful

Dianora said:



I could not agree with you more. It would have been one thing for Bianca to scream that Erica really wanted her to miscarry at eight months - which she did - but quite another to imply that she was happy MiMo had died. I assume the writers weren't aware they were drawing a very dangerous parallel there, but they did and it was suffocatingly uncomfortable to listen to it. Also, while it is true that they always presented Bianca's choices as choices, there was a very clear undercurrent of "abortion=bad" for months because they only ever had Erica pushing for it, over and over, and it must have made the mere thought of Bianca aborting the fetus unappealing to just about everyone watching.

And now, just because: Ryan, go away.

The other implication of the abortion, one that no one has mentioned flat out, but that Erica, Kendall and Bianca are all aware of, is that Erica wanted Bianca to have the abortion b/c she wished she had...which would mean no Kendall. That realization has hit Bianca hard since Erica found out about the baby.

Considering this train wreck of a storyline and that Miranda may be masquerading as "Bess" for quite some time, I've been thinking of cute little MiMo as ”McMess”/"Mess" (McHack's made a real McMess of this show., When will McTrash quit Messing up Bianca’s life?). Or, for the seemingly inevitable custody battle, “MiBess” (Bianca: Adam, I’m only going to say this one time. “Babe’s baby” Bess is really my daughter, so back the fuck off or I’ll make you wish you’d never slithered your way out of Pigeon Hollow.).

I’m still about 2 weeks behind on my AMC viewing. Although intensely dreading the MiMo is Dead scenes, I can’t wait to see Bianca tear into Erica (and the return of RealGreenlee). As I sit here trying to imagine Erica’s reactions during the smackdown, all I can picture is the fantasy sequence from Ally McBeal where Ally gets pierced through the heart with dozens of arrows. Heh.

I'm in a tiny minority rooting for Kryan just so Ryan will get the hell away from Greenlee. My overwhelming love for Rebecca Budig keeps me from FFing through those horrible Greenlee-Ryan scenes, and they are making me hate this show. Of course, I FF through Kryan scenes, but at least that way, I can get through the show a lot faster.

Run, Greenlee! Run from the oozing suckfest of this stupid love-triangle as fast as your little legs can take you!

Run toward Kendall and we'll all be happy.

Kendall did actually approach that subject two weeks ago in her confrontation with Erica, but Erica shut her down and said she wasn't going to go there anymore with Kendall. But later Erica did come very close to admitting it outright, but dressed it up in her Erica way. That is, she said that Bianca chose to have the baby in order to prove that she's better and stronger than Erica can ever be, to prove that she can succeed where Erica failed. Now that's not why Bianca chose to have the baby, but it's the reason Erica objected so strongly to it. She views Bianca's choice as an indictment of her own behavior where Kendall was concerned, because it's all about Erica, as always. And Bianca, in particular, Erica has always wanted to follow in her footsteps as much as possible, which is why she also had such a problem with Bianca's sexual orientation.

The interesting thing is that Kendall can actually deal with the dichotomy of Erica loving her, but still wishing always that she had been able to abort Kendall, better than Erica can. At bottom, Erica really doesn't know how to live with those conflicting feelings, and instead of just accepting that that's the way she feels--there's nothing wrong with how she feels as far as that goes--she wants to twist it all around in her head to fit a narrative that she can live with. And since there's really no way to accomplish that, she chooses to, surprise, bury it all and not deal with it. But Bianca's choice to have her baby brought up all those feelings, and so Erica wanted Bianca's baby gone, gone, gone. Bianca had it dead right when she commented on how now Miranda's out of the picture, here's Erica with the comforting and support and love--something Erica didn't offer during the denouement of the murder mystery, or when Bianca was hospitalized for complications before. But once Miranda was gone, what a surprise, there Erica is, all "You're my golden child again."

Chiming in with the minority again:
Today was so good with the Kryan. Sorry. They spoke like 15 words between them. It was absolutely lovely. I can't help it.

Well, it IS always good when Ryan doesn't speak, I'll give you that.


If they'd quit taking Kendall away from him, Aidan would have a purpose.

Damn, I wanted to be more verbose in my current comments but I'm late for school. I'll elaborate more later.

Does anyone think that the phone call Erica got yesterday was about her father dying of something? That being why she left right away.

I agree with most of what you say, BK. In this specific abortion debate, there is also the very real fact that Erica just cannot get away from choices she never had a chance to make. Erica would have had an abortion if she'd gotten pregnant after Roe vs. Wade and there is nothing wrong with the fact that she just does not want to be trapped with and by the results of choices she never had in the first place.

It's easy now to see Kendall as the living, breathing person she is and indict Erica for the way she's treated her - and I certainly think she's been a bastard - but I can't even imagine what it must be like to be forced to carry a fetus to term and not have a choice in the matter: Erica had a hell of a long time to hate everything about it. Yeah, Kendall was the innocent byproduct of a horrendous act of violence, but it's easy to see how the two things (being raped and getting pregnant as a result) can merge and be encapsulated in the same ball of hatred. Untimately, this is why I've objected to Erica's "abort now!" stance: there was nothing conflicted, nothing human in her reaction to Bianca's pregnancy and, while it is true that this is how Erica is, when we're talking about issues like abortion and choice, I think it would be better to stray one degree left of canon and not demonize - or sanctify - anyone based on the choices they make.

Either that First Time Poster, or Josh Duhamel called, cause Erica's going to Las Vegas apparently.

Mysticks Muse Now that would be a crossover I could get behind (or in front of, or on top of - frankly whatever he wants would be fine with me). I miss him so. Bring back the Pretty!

Anyone else pissed off yesterday when, during the montage at the end, Greenlee was looking at what was revealed to be Ryan's picture? Ryan?! Wouldn't her gazing at Leo's picture have been appropriate here? Bianca was Leo's best friend, wouldn't her being upset about what happened to Bianca seem like a natural time for her to be thinking about, or maybe even "talking to" Leo? Instead we get her staring at a picture of Ryan. Why??!!

I'm also still on the Kaidan ship. I know it's sinking, but I'm bailing it out as fast as I can. I need them to stop shoving Aidan at another already married Santos sister.

Nothing like Maria and Edmund in old movies to bring you back down from the high of the great stuff we've gotten the past couple days. That was all kinds of awful.

Hee, me too, but only because Jack Scalia had the funniest pose for his picture in the opening sequence. It was so a cross between, "Jack Scalia is Chris Stamp" and "How you doin'?" Good times.



Word. I think part of my soul died sitting through those scenes.

I was home today during AMC, but I wasn't watching it - plan to watch my tape later when I can fast forward through Maurmund. But I flipped past, and I was...um, trying to figure out why the hell Reggie was dancing around with that annoying girl? Stress relief? Taking his mind off Binks and Miranda? What's the deal? Should I FF that too?

I ff the entire show today. I wanted to watch Kendall but I couldn’t bring myself to watch Ryan. The last show I completely ff was Days right before the SORASed all the kids. And then I stopped watching. If I don’t get some Kinks and some David (Hayward and Canary) soon I may give the show up.

I think the funniest thing about the Reggie/Danielle dance video was that the song they were listening to was completely impossible to really dance or groove to. As far as that song was concerned, I can't imagine anyone saying, "Oh, let's boogie to this!" It was funny because IMO, you can tell MBJ didn't know how to dance to it. That's why it was funny. Better than that O-Town performance, nonetheless.

Rooney, the group in the video, had a concert at my school a couple months ago and I completely agree with you when you say that you can't dance to that song. When they performed it, it was basically just a room filled with swaying people (and by people, I mean blonde haired white girls, as that seems to be their main following) bobbing their heads up and down.

And the other realization on the part of everyone involved IMHO is that Binks had the baby because of Kendall. I think Bianca is in the middle here and one of the reasons the character works is that through it all she's so gosh-darned nice and lovable that she seems like a regular person so that the soap watcher will root for her no matter what (for instance I can never see Binks becoming the occasional "bad guy" Erica is or even Kendall in her SMG days was), that's one of the reasons fans (the so-called conservative ones who the networks think watch soaps) have been receptive to the Binks as a lesbian and the Bianca/Lena thing (which I give Eden and Agnes Nixon credit for, not Frons or McTrash)

The audience loves the character, so to put the character in that position/decision is like putting the audience in it (putting aside for a moment how bad Voldespawn is as a plot device/story). Erica would have no problem getting the abortion (she had the first abortion in soaps no?) while Kendall I think would never willingly have one (based on the circumstances of her own birth), Bianca is a different matter - like anyone her first thought would be that of course she can't give birth to her rapist's child - the thought is revolting - and so she agrees with Erica - but then then she sees Kendall (a sister who's not always been kind to her in the old days, who resented the love Erica showered on Bianca and the hatred showered on her), who has in a short time come to mean more to Binks than anyone in the world, more than Lena, more even than Erica (as was obvious this week). Bianca imagines a world in which Kendall does not exist, in which she does not love Kendall and this leads her to thoughts to Voldespawn who in that moment becomes not the child of Michael Cambius but Miranda Montgomery, a lovable person in her own right. Someone who will be to Kendall's daughter or another of Binks' daughters what Kendall is to her and she so cannot have the abortion - it would to Binks like aborting what Kendall has come to mean to her. I think the issue is so politicized that in the cirumstances of these 3 characters - the dilemma and its outcome and the feelings that go into it make perfect sense (for a soap opera world that is).

I completely agree, CKD. Erica is not wrong for having wanted to abort Kendall, and she's not wrong for still wishing today that she'd had that option. And yet she does love Kendall, in her Erica way, and while I can accept quite easily that she can both love Kendall and yet wish that she'd had the option to abort when she was fourteen years old, I can see why she has difficulty simply living with that dichotomy. (But then I have a friend who adores her children and yet says unequivocally that if she could do it over, she would never have had children.) There would have been nothing wrong with Erica refusing to have anything to do with her grown daughter, either. Where Erica went wrong in her treatment of the adult Kendall is with her dangling love and acceptance in front of Kendall's face and then snatching it away again as it suited her.


I think Erica's reaction has been very Erica, and quite human, because Bianca's pregnancy brought up Erica's deepest issues. I also don't really think any demonization or sanctification has gone on, here, not on a show level. On a character level, I think Erica has demonized herself to some extent because of that dichotomy she can't deal with of loving Kendall now while still wishing she'd been able to abort Kendall long ago, and I think that's quite human and conflicted. And I think Kendall's sanctified Bianca to some extent because she's so happy to have finally found someone who's glad Kendall exists despite the circumstances of her conception--again, only human. But as far as the overall show goes, I think it's been played pretty even; other characters talk about how it's not an easy choice for Bianca to have made, Bianca's struggled with doubts and fears, and so on. I agree with Mystic0 that the overall emphasis of the writing has been on Bianca making the choice that was right for herself, not for all women. Erica's the one who's made it a referendum on herself, which is completely true to Erica's character. No one's criticized Erica for wanting to have aborted Kendall. Julia's abortion in the same situation was discussed by Bianca and Maria, with Maria saying that Julia did what she needed to do.


Yes, but I was trying to block it out of my mind, along with PuppetRyan just barging into Kendall's condo. Sigh. Hate. Ryan. Speaking of Kendall's condo, I was quite disappointed to see that Kendall hadn't moved out yet. I know realistically she hasn't had the opportunity since she and Bianca talked about it, since the current crisis started the next day, but this is a soap--I was hoping that she'd just thrown all her possessions into Sammy's teleporter.

And here, mr simpatico, you have, IMO, summed up the Kane dynamic these past months. No, Erica doesn't wish Kendall dead, but she wishes she had had the option to abort. Bianca knows it and, as she has said to Ryan and others, Miranda represents Kendall. Where would Bianca be right now without Kendall? Who would have protected her? Not Erica, not Lena, not Jack (because as much as she adores him, she didn't tell him about Mimo). Bianca *needed* Kendall to be her savior because it validated keeping Michael's child...her child...Miranda.

Huge list of SOD Editor chat spoilers:
http://pub4.ezboard.com/fsosnovskasymposiu...picID=609.topic

With the exception of Kryan, I did, too. I dont' care about the teens. I don't care about Tad the Cad. I don't care about the Santos girl, I hated the movie clips.

Each of those spoilers is more coma-inducing than the next. Yay, yay, yay. [/sarcasmcakes]



What happened for me is that Erica's abortion pimping was so strident that it drowned out everyone else's common sense and, therefore, I got a very strong sense of good choice vs. bad choice from the show. Like I said before, I'm not suggesting the writers did this on purpose and the acting choices probably had a hand in it, but that's the effect it had on me.

One bit from the spoilers Skiffy linked to above:

[QUOTE]Is it safe to say the baby story could end by May sweeps?
<moderator> I don't think the baby story will end by May. It will play prominently in May. [/QUOTE]

Ugh, just kill me now.

I was there with you on that, until Jerica had a conversation where Jack said something along the lines of, "Of course, terminating is the best option." He initially assumed, too, that Bianca would abort but, unlike Erica, respected Bianca's decision not to. Little convos like that one and the one between Maria/Binks actively reinforced the neutrality of the message AMC was sending. I think they really did go out of their way to highlight that this was one character's choice and not a commentary on anyone else or any stance pro/con. JMHO, yo.

KerleyQ, Greens stupidly pining over Ryan's graven image ticked me off, too. You'd thing Mimo 'dying' in the same river that Leo cashed in his chips at would get her thinking about Leo. Hmph.