Lena's best-looking moment--hair, dress, etc.--was the ep when she and Erica were talking about Bianca after Voldemort, Erica was threatening Lena and then opening up to her about what it was like going through Bianca's anorexia. She looked absolutely gorgeous during that.

I have to admit, reading the first part (PBPing as usual today), I felt soooo sorry for Brooke. Her damn date's hitting on Lena. Not that it's not totally understandable (hair aside) why he would, but was it really necessary for AMC to dis poor Brooke like that? Couldn't it just have been a random guy and not Brooke's date? Oh well.

It's really hard for me to talk about Lianca without seeing the ep, since so much of them is in their looks and line deliveries and such, but just reading the PBP, I wasn't really bothered by Lena's "friends" line. I took it more as a way of her reassuring Bianca that just because Bianca had kissed her that night--a midnight NYE kiss can mean everything, nothing, or anything in between, after all--Lena wasn't assuming that Bianca had brought her back to the apartment for sex. Now there are certainly better ways to say just that than the awkward "friends" line (as everyone else has pointed out, who kisses a friend like that?), but while Lena is excellent at talking to other people in front of Bianca, she isn't nearly as silvertongued alone with Bianca. (And, Mystic0, I took Lena's line about Chance as a total joke--no nudging or anything else intended. I mean, the line she used to reject Chance to his face is that she's into beautiful women.)

No surprise as to Lena/Maggie's opinions of what Bianca should do, of course. Lena was right in what she said about what Bianca should do...but it's clear that she also really doesn't have a good understanding of Erica or the Kane Women dynamics yet, either. That's the one part in which Maggie was right in what she was saying. Not that that's Lena's fault--I doubt Bianca or Kendall have ever talked to her in any detail about the circumstances of the original rape and consequent treatment of Kendall. She doesn't know just how much this'll hit to the core for Erica. Lena's points were very mature, but Erica's not mature. Heh. Bianca knows it--no wonder she asked Lena to stay while she goes off to talk to Erica. The Lena/Maggie stuff tomorrow--with Bianca not around, it's open season--should be fun if Liz can just muster up an ounce of energy to play the scenes.

The staging of all the cabin stuff sounds beyond awful, judging from the comments here. And actually worth watching, in a MST3K kinda way. I look forward to it.

Oh goody...more confessing What I Did That Night...offscreen as usual. Dammit. Next week can't come fast enough for me.

Do you think Boobe Sr. (AKA Krystal with a K) would actually go after Adam and trap him into marriage just so she could change her name to "Krystal Chand-lier"?

Chewbacca has fallen. R2DCup will save him!

Loved that Eden finally stopped straighthugging. Thanks Eden! That was the most believable Bianca hug ever. But why the sorry? You just kissed the woman an hour ago, so WTF?
Lena... "friends"? Yeah, right. Stop saying that.
I hate Megan for this inconsistent, contrived bullshit, but thanks for the 2 minutes without Maggie. Loved how Lena came off as the mature, honest, supportive, and altogether together one while Mags looked like a petty idiot.

Notice that Elizabeth's one reaction shot is essentally the same for every situation imaginable? They only variation is whether her mouth is open or closed. Goldfish.

Jerica! Squeeeeeeee! Excellent work. Bianca interruptus? Hee. Go away Bianca. Just because you aren't interested in getting laid by your lover doesn't mean no one else is. What happened to the girl that was scheming to get Jerica back together? Go home and come back in a few hours, you selfish tool.

Lena calls the minifreak on her shit- Loved that... except not. It would've been more fun for Bianca to come home and recap the Coitus interruptus for her "friends", since the reveal isn't happening tomorrow anyway.

regis, yeah that did look a little odd. But Mags and Binks live there. Too soon for Lena to be hopeful enough to pack and overnight "just in case" bag an leave it in the trunk.

I know that this topic has been brought up before, but watching yesterday's episode (I haven't seen today's yet), it struck me again how there has been nothing onscreen to explain why Mia and Greenlee hate Kendall so much. I mean I understand that Mia wants Aiden (although that seems to have only come up recently) and that Greenlee thinks Kendall is sleeping with Ryan to get Fusion all to herself. However, these four girls stuck together through much worse during some of the FEM storyline. Kendall and Mia have no room for doubt about Kendall and that is not the relationship that they had even 3 or 4 months ago. I just do not understand what McTrash is trying to accomplish.

That's all very true but I live in fear of Lena's strategy ultimately shooting her in the foot. The 'friends' line came on the heels of a very interesting hug. (I'm not sure why this hug seemed so different from their eleventy million other hugs but it did. I think it's because Bianca keeps having these odd moments of very tangible physicality popping up at random moments. Errr, I'm not explaining myself well but maybe you'll get it more after you watch your tape. Or maybe I'll learn to verbalize my points better. One of the two.) Anyways, they have this *rowr* hug, which makes Bianca scramble and feel odd, and then Lena's does her friends spiel. Now Bianca has made huge strides in getting more settled and comfortable with Lena but I'm kinda nervous Lena will accidently derail some of that. I don't know how far Binks has gotten past her thinking that she's not good enough for Lena or that someone else would be better for Lena. I'm just nervous that Lena will whip something like this out at the wrong moment and set off one of the trip wires in Binky's psyche. I don't want Bianca to get it in her head that they should be just friends or that that is what Lena wants.

Granted, that probably won't happen now that Lianca are way more open with each other and I worry for naught. Honestly, I get apprehensive anytime these two talk ;) They don't communicate very well and Lena always interrupts with a reassurance right before Bianca says something that Lena probably needs to hear. Drives me batty, man. Bianca was about to sputter out *why* she was apologizing
about the hug and........grrr. I wanted to hear it, dammit, even though I know what Bianca most likely would have said.



Ooh, the whole thing is worth it for the last five minutes. Damn funny stuff. After Kendall/Mia/Greens knock the guy out, they just gape at him like he's a bug they're too afraid to squish. Plus, Mia being all "Do me!" in the chair to lure the guy in was hilarious.

Dude, don't get me going again on the scant reasoning behind Mia and Greenlee's turn on Kendall. I have ranted endlessly on this subject. They were on her side at first, then as quickly as Ryan rips off a shirt they hated her guts. Makes no sense, especially for Greenlee. A few months ago, those two were almost needing to get a room.

Maggie's ill-fitting sequined dress with the hideous scarf around her waist was nothing compared to tha backless bolero ballet sweater-over-white t-shirt monstrosity she changed into - that has got to be nastiest thing she's worn, and yes, I'm counting the Thanksgiving placemat. And word to the awfulness of the pigtails and Lena's hair. But I have to say, Eden is gorgeous with her hair tucked behind her ears like that.

Did y'all catch how, when Maggie started blasting her for planning to tell Erica about the Voldertot, Bianca oh-so-unsubtly got up and went and sat next to Lena? Loved that.

Who needs a coffeeshop? Just bring Smyrtle back and let them dish!

True, but every word of your rant was correct, so it was a good rant. Kendall should kick both their asses. Hmph.



I forgot to add that if you want to challenge yourself, try counting how many times Lena rack-checks Binks in this ep. I was taken out of the moment a bit when, while Bianca was talking about manger babies and crazy moms, Lena easily hits double digits in rack checking. This ep had so many funny moments, intentional or not.

It took me the better part of today to notice, but people "Portia" is gone! It's been replaced by some sort of Elvis rendition in beadwork.

Really??? Damn, I didn't even notice that. Wonder what happened...

Forgot to add my favorite inappropriately funny today. When Erica was talking about how women are fabulous, my pal shouted out, "Well DUH! Binks has only been telling you that for years!" Hee!

They replaced portia at the same time Erica was FINALLY spilling the beans to Jack. Except not. Damn you Mc Trash!!!! You go to Hell! YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!!!!!!!

Ahem. Sorry. But PLEEEEZE put us out of our misery already.

I personally find it tiring to be in a sequined dress for hours upon hours, so Bianca and Maggie taking the time to change isn't odd, since they were at home.

As far as the usual Lianca hugging goes, I tend to put the fault on Olga's side because Lena is nearly always the one to initiate the hugs and it's hard to be able to do much when someone taller wraps their arms around your shoulders/upper arms the way Olga tends to. It kind of pinions your arms down. I think the only other hug that Bianca ever initiated was the post-coital hug in the hotel suite, and I like that one because Eden approached it just like a kiss (which was perfect because it was completely idiotic that they were hugging instead of kissing at that moment) and so it looked damn sexy. The come-hither look in her eyes when she pulled Lena's head down to hers...*rowr*


I totally get what you're saying and it could easily become an issue at some point. In a small way it may be an issue now, because as commented on often, this NYE dress is the most skin-baring thing Bianca's ever worn, at a point when she's getting closer to being ready for sex but yet isn't quite there. There's an element there of putting the goods out on display for Lena to keep her interested during this long enforced absence-of-sex period, which is something Bianca certainly worries about because it's a large part of the reason why she broke up with Lena in the first place. She felt Lena deserved a real girlfriend who isn't a mess and can have sex. It'd be a lot clearer if Lena came out and said point-blank that she just doesn't want Bianca worrying that Lena expects them to have sex right then, but I think Lena really doesn't want to talk about sex outright, for fear of opening up a whole can of worms. All that said, I don't think it's a huge issue yet. Down the road, yeah, it could backfire, but Bianca's coming along well enough that I think she'll be ready for sex before that point.

With Bianca's long-running issues of people telling her what to do, exacerbated by the rape, right now I think if Lena did press (not for sex, since Lena would never do that, but for an official "we're back together" declaration) she'd run screaming. Did you notice when Maggie was talking a couple of weeks ago with the clear assumption that Lianca are going to get back together, and Bianca actually got pissed about it? She absolutely hates people making assumptions whether those assumptions are right or not. (If Maggie wants to throw a wrench in Lianca, there's the way to do it.) Lena has always done much better with Bianca when she doesn't push and let Bianca come around on her own--that's Bianca's biggest red button issue, so safer to stick with the passive-aggressive stuff. Plus, I think both Bianca and Lena really tend to define whether they're officially girlfriends or not by whether they're having sex or not. I don't mean that in a bad way, it's just a product of their sexual attraction being so strong.

ETA: Not that I'm sorry to see Portia go, but uh...there was such a fuss made about Portia surviving the gas explosion. And it's not like AMC didn't know what kind of reaction the audience would have to the painting, since all dialogue about Portia centered on every other character hating the painting like poison. As such, wonder what the reason for the change is. That said, ELVIS? WTF? Maybe this is just going to be a running joke like Maggie's godawful wardrobe?

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OMG - that outburst made me laugh so loud. It suprised me how much I was touched by that little phrase. Thanks!

I'm glad that you could decipher my code. ;) I agree with all your points, so WORD to ya.

The weird thing about Lianca in the last few eps is that the five yard rule has suddenly disappeared. Really disappeared. Snuggly dancing and a much hotter kiss from NYE and today there was gratuitous hugging, plenty of hand shags, and Bianca (park bench notwithstanding) sat the closest to Lena I've ever seen. It's kinda hard *not* to be waiting for whatever shoe to drop. Are they allowing this new level of physical closeness because it just makes sense for people in love to be like this? Or is it just making Lianca more viable because TPTB are setting up the triangle? It's just so damn sudden, I'm nervous. Hee! I'm fully bonding with my inner drama queen.

Tomorrow should be interesting. We'll have a Lena/Mags showdown (wonder how that'll go), an 'Erica no doubt says something stupid and makes Bianca cry' moment (at least Lena said she'll be there when Binks gets back. *rowr* Comfort snuggles.), and more lodge antics. Notice how I ignored the Boobe saga? Intentional.

Well, she did tell Bianca today after the "friends" thing, that if the kiss led to more, she wouldn't complain, but if not, that's okay, too.

That's right, and then Lena made sure to follow that up with the joke about Chance, IIRC. She's doing her very level best to keep Bianca from feeling the slightest bit pushed, which as commented before is wise.

Isn't it nice to not have Boobe on for a day? Yeah, I'm back to calling her Boobe too now. Mostly because I'm annoyed at the spoilers that have her, JR and James being like three-fourths of the upcoming AMC action. GAH!

Mystic0, I always felt the five-yard thing was entirely due to Bianca's issues from Voldemort. Before V, she and Lena were very touchy-feely. The only real rule seemed to be that they couldn't kiss. Now that Bianca's worked things out with Lena to the extent that she's asked Lena to stay for her, which is an implied promise that she'll be with Lena, it doesn't surprise me that they're more physical again.

However, I wouldn't say that you're wrong to worry about the sky falling in, either. It's McTrash. That's what she does. Her favorites are tortured nonstop.

Okay, 2deadcows, I will concede - Fred Astaire he ain't but who could resist the young cad - and there were very few women in the Valley back in the '80s who could. Great link! Can't believe how young Palmer looked (and how old I thought he looked at the time)!

I too am disappointed with my Tadley doing the nasty (cause what else can you call it when it involves one of the Trailer Trash Barbies) with Mom o' Boobe. At least he did do it with Smoan on the floor instead of in the skanky Krystal-used sheets. Tad the Cad was a great idea for a 20 year old (and it was the '80s), but I just don't know how well full on Cad with the bed-hopping will play out with Tad the Dad - would people have loved Melrose Place so much if they'd been in their 40s?!

Liza and Brooke as 2 cynical mature lesbians - BWAH! Bet they'd go for it if it meant a real SL.

Okay, help a sister out here, folks. I've been following the board, though I haven't watched AMC since the rape fiasco, and I've read some spoilers re: the Bianca/Maggie/Lena triangle being romantic for all parties, so I'm sort of intrigued. Is it worth me tuning back in to catch up on what's going on, or should I stay far far away before this trash pulls me back in?

The Charlies Angels trio was a hoot today. I also love that everyone kept telling Ryan to shut up.

If this is supposed to be a triangle, they are not doing a good job of portraying one. Bianca was obviously smitten with Lena, even Bianca's body language told the story.

If this is the direction the "triangle" stays - I will thoroughly enjoy it. Maggie of the Blank Stare can be an annoying pain in the ass while Lena and Bianca continue their relationship (such as is it is).

By the way, I must give props to whomever said "Bob's big boy hair" re: JR - I laugh my ass off about that everytime he's on screen. It's made looking at him so damn often at least a little less intolerable!

I know the TwoP AMC board is big on the Lianca love but if they are going to go ahead with a triangle, wouldn't it be more interesting if there really was a discrepancy in Bianca's heart? Weren't any of you hoping BAM would get together way back before when the chemistry was intense, the latent love was definitely there (despite the lack of evidence via dialogue), and Lena wasn't really around yet?

I was really into BAM before they completely annihilated the chance for them to be together (O-Chem scandal, ugh) but I was a fan of Lianca when they finally started to get together. Ever since the rape, I've pretty much hated everything. But if the writers can take BAM back to it's best point and Lianca to it's best point, I don't know who to root for! But I AM rooting for a triangle. Anything is better than Lena lurking in the shadows and getting one line per week and one hug per 2 weeks.

(puffs chest out proudly) I can't take much credit for it since it's so damn obvious. Just look at him!



Guess it depends on what your looking for. It's actually going better than I would have thought. (I thought they'd have Binks suddenly re-smitten with Maggie. Luckily, no.) So far, they are really bringing Lianca together and Mags is just all double-speak and longing glances girl. The triangle is mostly Maggie (seemingly) coming to the realization that she *might* feel something for Binks. Nothing positively concrete has been said though. Lena, ever the quick one, is clueing in on Mag's love vibes toward her girl. Bianca, meanwhile, couldn't be more oblivious. The fun so far, is watching Lena and Mags hiss at each other. Hope that helps.

The hissing always helps, especially because it makes Maggie look like a tool. That said, it's clear that she's feeling something for Bianca, but I don't believe it'll lead to reciprocal BAM regardless of whether Olga stays at AMC or not. At this point, and I base this on how Eden is playing the scenes, it would take an era and a half for Bianca to even begin to feel remotely interested in Maggie again.

mad typist! C'mon back, jack! The show is, as ever, for shit. But I tried watch B & B and now deem AMC and McTavish worthy of daytime emmys.

Mystic0


I am also boding with your inner drama queen. Does that mean we are in a triangle? The 5 yard rule! Glad to see it gone. Good thing it went away right before the McTavish quote about how AMC is committed to showing Bianca's lovelife, or I'd be snarking my ass off right about now in letters too numerous to count. McT gets extra points for responding to a Bianca question with a Lena and Bianca answer. She said Lena first too. After I regained conciousness, I realized what a huge step this is!

Count me among the people who do not want to see Binks return Maggie's affections. Together, they are regressed to high school. I want to see WOMEN!
Lena brings the womanly out of Bianca. If they go Baggie, it's teen pregnant lesbian rapevictim and confused bi-girl do ice cream and baby showers. Meh. I want the hot women bonding and building a relationship and having a big gay romance, folloewd by a marriage and raise the bling bling blessed baby.

MysticO, I think it seemed different because it was different, because…

Word Skiffy. I thought the Lianca Christmas Eve hug was the most “straighthug” I’d seen between them. Bend at the waist, hug high and lean over so that only the shoulders have a chance to touch. I remember thinking that Eden’s sister needed to tell her that dykes don’t hug that way and give her some lessons in full body contact. Today Eden swept her arm around Olga’s waist and pulled her in tight. And she didn’t telegraph the move so it looked a lot more natural.

I disagree on the fault lying with Olga. Eden has always been able to make the hugging choice she made today. Usually she places her hands up high on Olga’s back so that her palms are at or near Olga’s shoulders. Eden ended up moving her hands up Olga’s back today, but not nearly so far and starting at the waist made all the difference. Not sure if that was an acting choice Eden made to signal some change in Lianca’s relationship (or Bianca’s feelings toward Lena) or just an increase in her repertoire of hugs and comfortableness in physical contact with Olga. Whatever, it worked. The 5-yard rule seems to have disappeared a few hours before midnight on New Year’s Eve. Now if we could just get the dialogue to go along with this new physical closeness.

Poor Maggie. Dissed in so many subtle ways. I loved when she got up and joined Bianca on the couch and Binks immediately got up to sit with Lena. And since Lena already had her arm along the back of the couch and Binks sat on the couch within Lena’s armspan it accentuated the “we’re together” message. But what’s with Maggs and Lena speaking for each other? “We” agree. “We’ll” do it. They both did it at different times today. Guess they both want to appear agreeable to Binks and can snark and snarl at each other in private.

As for Brooke and Liza? Let’s see…Julia Barr just got paired with a day player who was hitting on everyone else. I think she’d jump at the chance to be paired with a long-term contract player in what would be a much discussed storyline. And Tad would certainly have some issues to deal with. I know plenty of women who've come out much later in life, so a competent writer could make it realistic. Oh wait...

Yeah, I'm for the triangle too. I like both pairings for different reasons, although, ultimately, I'm probably more for Lena/Bianca 'cause I like Lena as a character (even one that's been severely diluted) more than I do Maggie. Right now it seems most of the triangle is being played out in the media--AMC has both fanbases right they want them and can pretty much do anything without actually committing to anything. I think anyone expecting a full-blown triangle will be disappointed because, as several posters above pointed out, Bianca's going to be busy with other storylines and there is no romantic relationship between Maggie and Bianca to root for. I'm intrigued as to how this new character (presumably Braden) will fit in. I read a speculation on DL a couple weeks ago that seems likely with the scenes we've had so far--that Bianca would freak out at any sort of intimacy with Lena and would settle for, essentially, a semi-romantic, non-physical friendship with Mags. Mags, in turn, would fall head over heels with a guy and Bianca would lose both of them. I still have big doubts that they'll make Maggie gay or even bi.

This Calatraves crap is a bore, but the last 2 minutes of today's ep were pretty good. I liked Kendall and Greenlee shoving and kicking Ryan, the Fuuuuusionnn! chicks kicking butt, and the Terminator-esqe music. And at least the bomb wasn't as cheap looking as the cooler bomb in the Caribbean.

Bianca looks so cute with her hair kept back like that. And I'm so freaking glad she stopped the conversation mid-thought to change clothes. Apparently when Maggie slips into something more comfortable, her boobs grow two cup sizes. Word to liking the Lena/Maggie angst--I'm excited for their scenes tomorrow.

siiigh...be still my heart.

Well, I do have to disagree with one thing, CKD--if Olga leaves, I think we can expect BAM. Whatever I may think of Lianca vs. BAM, they both have devoted fanbases and in soaps, if one of the rivals leaves, the other rival generally gets the girl/guy by default, simply because there's no point in pissing off both fanbases and trying to build a third fanbase with a newcomer. (The best example: Sonny/Brenda/Jax wars on GH, rounds 1-467.) AMC isn't going to leave Bianca with no love interest at all.

iprobablywatchtvtoomuch, I used to hope for BAM, but that was because I'd adored Bianca/Frankie, which were basically a teen and lighter version of Lianca. It was the same sort of couple--con artist falling for her mark. I was very annoyed when they killed Frankie off. And then when Maggie showed up and was straight, I pretty much gave up altogether. But then AMC started moving that way, and I didn't think they'd ever pair Bianca with anyone else. I figured A girlfriend was better than no girlfriend at all. I certainly never figured AMC would dare pair Bianca with an older and sexy woman--I always figured they'd keep her with some young virginal teen because then the romance doesn't look like much more than an emotionally intense friendship. I'm so used to gay couples on network TV being completely de-sexualized, always talking about their feeeeeeeeeeelings and never admitting that hey, they want to have sex, dammit. Then Lianca got going and really raised the bar for gay network TV couples. To go back to BAM at this point would just feel like hamburger after filet mignon, and it's really hard to imagine Bianca being torn on any serious level between the two of them. With some true triangles, that can be interesting. With Bianca, I'd just think she's an idiot for being torn, especially as she has no chemistry with Maggie. If AMC keeps it mostly this way, a rather one-sided triangle, I actually think it's MORE interesting because at least there's finally something interesting to watch about Maggie. Her bitchiness, jealousy, and generally being pathetic is amusing. If she goes psycho, she may even have a personality.

Having seen today's episode, and laughed my ass off at all the ridiculous action and drama up at the cabin, I can comment a bit more. Loved the Girl Power stuff, though I noticed MoronMia really did all the hard work and Kendall/Greenlee just cleaned up a bit. Did everyone at the cabin look as annoyed with Ryan as so many of us have been? Hee. And Edmund getting shot was only slightly less funny than when Jack got shot. I love Walt, but remember that hilarious twitchy gaping he did when Flanders plugged him?

I kind of found it karmic justice that Bianca interrupted Erica just as she was about to get lucky. How many times have we seen Erica interrupt Bianca? Anyway, who wants to bet that after Bianca's "The big news is why" line that we heard in the previews, Erica or Jack will immediately interrupt with whatever they think the reason is, thus fulfilling soap cliche #32 "Never let any character simply talk, always interrupt and tell them what they were about to say"?

Maggie's shawl was awful, but its worst failing was that it didn't cover up near enough of that damn shiny dress. Bianca looked hot in the black top. Oink!

It's always fun seeing Lena's colder and more calculating side come out. The way she kind of let down and looked worried once Bianca left indicates that she realizes Erica's more of a problem than she let on to Bianca with the rah-rah support, not that Bianca needed Lena to tell her that anyway. Bianca knows better than anyone what kind of meltdown Erica will have. But Lena wants Bianca to stay in town, of course, and I'm sure she realizes she couldn't have talked Bianca into anything, anyway. Bianca had already made her decision and was just looking for support, really. When she didn't get it from Maggie, she went straight to Lena, physically even. The HPF isn't dumb and gave Bianca what she wanted. All the arguing back and forth cracked me up. If Binks thinks it's bad now, wait until she's got Maggie AND Lena AND Kendall AND Erica all in the same room spouting opinions. She'll have to put them all on a timeshare plan or something.

What I really enjoyed was the way Lena did that little bit at the end. Fixing Maggie with a look, beginning, "Bianca's decided not to hide her pregnancy anymore"--her accent thickening there, always telling when Olga does that--and then pausing, mouth open, before delivering the rest of the dialogue. Reminded me of a big cat eyeing the prey for a second before going in for the kill. No playing nice now that Bianca's out of sight, hee.

No, Rif! You'll get that song stuck in my head again. (starts humming What Women Want) Crap, too late.

I guess I'm the only one who never contemplated straight vs. gay hugging. Is that in the manual?



Yes, lawd. And she chose black to put on. Good girl.



When BAM was the only option available, I liked 'em. I admit I wasn't down with the 'dating the twin of your dead ex' squick factor, though. I thought they had good chemistry at the time but it was nothing compared to the white hot chemistry of Lianca. With BAM, I think it came through that these two girls could really love each other but it didn't have the 'I want to rip your clothes off' underlying sexual vibe that Lianca has. Man, I hate saying that since some accuse Lianca of just being about the sex. I believe that's unfair because I think that the love for each other that Lianca has shows through pretty clearly but they do have a strong sexual vibe, too, that I think BAM lacks. If we are getting a triangle, TPTB need to find BAM's strongpoint and work it. It can't just be about emotional dependence or support either because Lianca is more than capable of stepping up in that area. BAM would have to have something that is unique and engaging to really compete with the many aces Lianca has going for it.



Ahhhhhhhhh, everything's right with the world.

I knew you'd like that, Mystic0. Snerk. I'm still annoyed at the death of Bianca's other black top, though. Eden hasn't looked quite so shaggably delicious since. Maybe it was just her being opposite Alicia?

Oh, and I forgot about the Christmas Eve hug Bianca did. I don't think that counts at all though, really, as that was clearly something where Eden had to keep the scene going at a very quick pace--she had to run across the room and hug three people in quick succession while making her way halfway back again. None of the hugs are going to be intimate ones in a situation like that. Anyway, today's hug was cool, or I should say hot--Bianca pulled Lena quite hard against her. Rowr. Definite sexual vibe there. No wonder she panicked a little bit, freaked, and then started to apologize.

I absolutely loved the interaction between the two, but I have one question, that has probably been adressed before, but that I just have to ask. Does Marcy Walker (Liza) have it somewhere in her contract that her upper arms are never, under ANY circumstances, to be shown? If so, how annoying for the people doing her costumes - because let's face it. There's only about 6 or 7 really elegent evening dresses that you can design with full sleeves; after that, any actress is just going to look like a frump. Which is what poor Liza has looked like for the past 2 or 3 years. How the heck is she supposed to ever have another convincing love scene if she always has to be wearing long sleeves?

Kariyaki, I know you're something of an AMC historian/fact checker. Could you tell me when the last time we've seen Liza's upper arms? It's just gotten incredibly distracting for me. Every time I see her, I think "Oh, yep, there's another long sleeve shirt. At 4th of July. Or elsewhere in the middle of summer. Or in the middle of a love-scene. Yeah, that's realistic". And I LOVE Liza. This really irks me; I'd love an answer.

As for today's show? I'd love it if Edmund/Maria/Pablo/Ryan/Aiden (yes, even Aiden) were shot, and somehow Simone teleported herself into the lodge (because, come on, several of these characters know how to teleport), so that the Fusion gals could really, truly, re-live their glory. The only shoot-out scenes I really cheered for were the one's involving Mia, Kendall and Greenlee (I actually giggled when they crowed about kicking that guy's ass). If Simone had been added, those scenes would've been true gold.

And, yeah, well, if Pablo, Edmund, Ryan, and I'm sorry, but even Aiden, were all blown up and/or shot? Eh. I'd get over it in about an hour. I'd just enjoy me some Fusion gal bonding. Ahh, Fusion gals!!! I miss them so.

It isn't confined to Liza--while I do remember Brooke showing her upper arms now and again, what I really, really remember is the heat wave on AMC this summer, in which every woman onscreen was running around in a sleeveless top, except for Brooke, who wore not just a shirt but blazer too. I don't remember seeing Liza during the heat wave eps. But ah, those were good times.

I'm sorry was there someone on my screen during the heatwave eps other than Greasy? Who knew? Is Micah Alberti working (preferably as a cabana boy in the Los Angeles area)? Oh, cabana boy, mama needs a cool drink!

I was kind of bummed because we got a retread of the Liza is hot dress, and in comparison to the skin flashers, it didn't work. Because with that new haircut, LW looks really good. It really is a shame that TPTB shuttle off the women of "a certain age" off the the story basement, because they have some seriously good-looking women on this show above 30.

And, even with the excuse of the heatwave, still no Shirtless!Boyd.



You are so right, SiameseCatLady. Brooke and Tad look like babies, and Palmer, in retrospect, was so dapper. It was also nice to see Peter Bergman minus the Jack Abbot ocean wave ‘do.



BWAH!! sweeper What the hell was she wearing? Upon close inspection, it appeared to be a white t-shirt, sweat bottoms, and a reaaalllly small workout jacket thing. And then the pigtails... Lena, Maggie, Mia, and (I'm sorry, I didn't think the mashed behind the ears hair was flattering) Bianca today. I think someone in wardrobe and/or hair & makeup is geting free therapy by working out his/her frustrations on the pretty people of AMC.



Sometimes reading this board is such an education.

ETA: Did anyone else think Lena's dress was Betty Rubble-esque?

Yes, 2deadcows! Exactly. Especially when they showed her barefoot today when she was moving down the couch to grill Maggs at the end of the ep.

(Sigh.......) I do so miss heatwave Greasy.

Bwah, it's totally Betty Rubble. Good eye. I liked the barefoot thing, btw, for a reason--that's right, Lena, go ahead and make yourself right at home at Bianca's. First she invited herself to stay and then she took her shoes off. Hee. She and Maggie are totally warring over territory, while Bianca's not exactly completely oblivious, but has no desire to dig too deeply into it either when she's got the pregnancy and trial to worry about.

I had to snicker at Lena's final line to Maggie because there was also a nice little vibe underneath of, "That's exactly what I would be doing." It does take one to know one.

ETA: Apparently on GH, they had sisters kissing today. Did the Pervy Writer switch shows?

Yes. And I knew you would be.


Ooh, that's a tall order there. It's not like people keep track of that kind of thing. But I know a good screencap site, I'll check out the Liza ones.


Right? Especially when he was yanking up his shirttail to wipe sweat off his face. I really was mad at Brooke for pulling him away from Mia and Smoan. I really wanted one of them to "educate" the boy.

Count me in as someone who was all for a triangle...until today. It was almost painful watching Liz stumble through her lines, how hard is it to say "and"? Her pause must have lasted 5 excruciating seconds. And the wailing, my god, she really can't hold her own with Eden and Olga. Maybe they should hook her up with James.

Okay, I poked around in that screencap site and other than a cap of Liza having sex with Tad that was So Very Old, my quest was a failure (which really was no surprise to me. Upper Arms of Liza are as much of a rarity as neurons firing in Mia's head). The best I could do was this cap of Marcy from her GL days.

But I don't want to entertain that notion. At. All.

Is that so wrong?

I've pretty much learned to not get my hopes up about anything AMC related, but I CAN'T WAIT to see today's ep and see Lena tear Maggie a new one! Lena's been sidelined so long, I'd forgotten how great she is at being devious and commanding! The boyfriend and I were laughing watching the end of yesterday's show over how Lena and Maggie were like watching a slinky, bitchy cat toying with a widdle mouse. I hope McT and Co. won't JUST have Lena as a "leg" in the triangle though, and give her some more "corporate espionage" stuff...but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't EVER remember seeing Liza's upper arms. TPTB treat Liza like such a frump, and Marcy Walker is FAR from that. I saw a pic of MW in some soap rag a couple of years ago where she was at a AMC function wearing a tight, WHITE, off the shoulder, SLEEVELESS dress and she looked fantastic, and I think she was probably even heavier then. I guess when you have size 0's dominated your cast, the wardrobe department is at a loss as to what to do with NORMAL sized women.

So, the killer will be revealed this month. I really have NO idea who it could be but I have a good guess:
It's Mia. Why not? She's been bout the only person NOT a suspect and this would fit in with all the 'psycho' like behavior of late. And she's just about used up her usefullness, so this could be a way to get rid of her. But I'm probably totally wrong.

For those of you who might be wondering, there is a definite difference between straighthug and gayhug. My son is gay and explained the differences to me, and on that Boy meets Boy show he always picked out the straight guys based on the way they hugged. I myself didn't read that Eden's gay sister taught her to hug the proper gay way but it makes sense to me. According to my son, gay people rub the other's back when they hug and have more body contact, straight people pat and have no contact below the shoulders. Lianca is really getting the gayhug looking authentic! Sizzle!

I don't want to see Liza's arms. Maybe it's in her contract, maybe they all just decided it's best for her, fashion-wise. I have too many memories of different outfits making her look like a linebacker, so she must have some large arms and shoulders there. I thought Brooke looked very attractive, but they're treating her like a grandma in this story. That's a shame. She used to be a rival to Erica, and now Kane can get in all-too-true digs about Brooke having nobody. It's not fair. Nice girls finish last, and they've made Brooke ridiculously nice.

I definitely agree about the lack of charismatic and sexy men. The only other soap I watch is OLTL, and AMC does not have a Trevor St. John (Walker/Todd), who is amazing, riveting, and sexy, or a Dan Gauthier (Kevin), who's become more and more complex and is doing great with a difficult story. OLTL has a lot less smirk and camp. (But I still won't accept Angel Luna. Urgh.) You watch AMC for the great actresses, not most of the actors. I also agree about Tad, though. I like his flirting chemistry with Krystal, but once they hit the sack, I was bored and disappointed. Simone loves him too much, and he's too shallow to appreciate it. I think Tad is past the days of having a serious, non-smirky relationship. That was only possible with Dixie.

I am very glad that Bianca will tell Erica. I don't care how Erica reacts, we know she'll react badly, but this scared lying has been ridiculous. She would have found out eventually, and knowing later would devastate her even more. It's beneath Bianca, and Lena is right, telling her is the mature and honest thing to do. (If it destroys her relationship with her mother, at least temporarily, so be it. She'll know who she can rely on and who she can't. But she hasn't even given Erica a chance. Erica is very immature, but may well accept the 'child-of-rape' sooner than she accepts being kept out of the loop.) I never saw Binks as an "ends-justify-the means" type, so the lie annoyed me, it wasn't true to character. Typical that Maggie wanted her to keep up the lie. Really, she wants Bianca all to herself, and doesn't care what's best for Bianca or the baby. Leaving town and pretending to adopt a kid isn't best; lying to the kid about her own origins for the rest of her life isn't best. I'm the only one here who liked Lianca's NYE outfits, especially Bianca's but even Lena's, because the neckline was gorgeous. Lena can wear anything. She wears fashion, fashion doesn't wear her, as is the sad case with Maggie. Oh Maggie. Who changes into a complicated backward sweater and pigtails crap outfit for lounging around at two in the morning?

OnlyinPV- I'm so proud of your boy. *sniff* You must be too.



Here is the thing: I think it would actually be smarter to bring on a new woman if Olga leaves. BAM is such a small fanbase and so many Lianca fans hate hate hate the pair or at least find them incredibly boring, that a new woman would be the only opportunity to capture the huge Lianca fanbase support. No way will they BAM after everything the Squeaky Frommes and the AMC PTB put them through.

Lianca fans have always been about the compelling chemistry of Eden and Olga together. There is no way Liz can carry it off. We've seen her try. It just isn't there. Lianca fans just might switch for a neat and shiny new woman though. But she'd better be as incredible as Olga/Lena and just as ubercool!

Then they could have the Maggster start her freaky-mental dependent behavior of only being attracted to Bianca when Bianca is unavailable and giving love to someone else ... and constantly trying to covertly sabotage her romantic relationships.

I'm not saying that is what I want. I want a Lianca wedding and Olga to stay forever. But it's what I'll take. No BAM please.

Wooda

Word! Even barefoot in the dress from the sateen factory accident, Olga always has something to show. She should've ditched the shawl earlier in the evening. great shoulders! Oh, and fantastic legs! Show me more!!!!

Speaking of barefootness, she was barefoot throughout most of that scenework. I noticed in her last (halfhearted) attempt to go "let me drive you" (oh, yeah. Let her!) she was moving as if offcamera down her foot was slipping into her shoe.
Poor Lena didn't want her magical date to end ... even if it included time with Maggie or a side trip to the mother-in-law's penthouse.

WORD, Skiffy.

I'd actually support a triangle as long as it didn't involve Maggie. I'd have no problem with a third woman wanting either Bianca or Lena: I just don't want to see Maggie anywhere near Binky. Now, if Maggie were to want Lena - that I would go for, too.

Bring on a new woman if Olga goes.

Exactly, CKD.
Oh, and if they keep Olga barefoot more often... we can start promoting they show on foot fetishist sites. Those are some attractive feet. Is that wrong to say? So few people have lovely feet.

I think we could drive the male viewer ratings up by at least .3

I don't think it's just Lianca fans that hate BAM. I think the general audience despises Maggie, especially in the past few months, except when she's with Jamie, where she seems to show some slight chemistry. Soapnet and Soap Central posts are all generally Maggie negative lately, and most of the internet insiders (Soapboy such as he is, Mimi, etc.) don't like the idea of BAM. For the life of me, I can't see how certain people on Eden's board can claim with a straight face to be the "biggest" Eden fans and still support the pairing, knowing that it will drag Bianca's popularity down with the general audience if it happens. It confirms for me that most of the BAM supporters are all about Elizabeth/Maggie and realize that her tenure on AMC is probably not going to last much longer absent a pairing with Bianca, and they're willing to sacrifice Bianca's popularity to keep Maggie on the show.

We joke about Maggie being the NuCarlos, but the general nonshipper specific websites (and this is one of them, contrary to what certain fanbases may think) hate the pairing and the Maggie character just as much as most Lianca fans do. To the general AMC fan, I would go so far as to say that Maggie is little more than a walking wardrobe joke that people stop to look at before hitting the fast forward button. That's not to say that Lena's the most popular gal in the world, though her popularity decline seems to correlate directly with that of every other previously strong woman on AMC, starting somewhere shortly after McTavish took over.