Just turned on the 1983 episode with Tad and Liza. One word, Liza: Woofalicious. Howl Howl a-rooooooo. Okay, that was adult of me.

I agree we'll probably never get a discussion (sigh), which is why I appreciated Eden's look so much. She's just really dead-on with the emotions even when AMC is underwriting certain aspects of Bianca's character and SL.

I also think one of the differences between Lena and Bianca here is that Lena's better at the whole compartmentalization thing. But then FEM and Voldemort also didn't hurt Lena directly the way Bianca was hurt. Lena was hurt because Bianca was hurt--there's a degree of separation there. On Bianca's end, it's not just Voldemort and the knowledge that--though it's not Lena's fault--Voldemort likely wouldn't have happened if Bianca had stayed away from Lena (the Asscicle made damn sure Bianca knew that by bringing up Lena every five seconds and making the whole replacement and revenge vibes so strong, and let's not even talk about the whole "Lena used moves on you that I taught her" bit). But their initial months of flirting, after all, were tainted for Bianca by the fact Lena was screwing Bianca's sister's boyfriend the entire time. Their night of lovemaking is tainted by Bianca finding out the next day that Lena was a liar working for Michael. Lena's declaration of love is tainted by her betrayal of Bianca the next day. Bianca's pretty much just turned her back on all that and chosen to move on, to focus on the fact that Lena's changed, that she can trust Lena now. That's great for Lianca's future, and I don't think it's a bad thing at all--it's just that Bianca's never going to look back on the first six months very fondly. Perfectly understandable. "Ah yes, I remember our lunch at BJ's. Hmmm, I wonder if Lena had sex with Michael after our lunch. Or, god forbid, before." I'm not saying Bianca still holds that against Lena, because I don't think she does, but it just isn't ever going to be something pleasant to think about. She's forgiven Lena and so she'd rather look forward to making new happy memories.


The rewrites have screwed things up a lot in many respects. But we know, for instance, that Lena had an expensive and excellent education and that she held a number of high-powered jobs all over Europe. Lena's said herself Mikey picked her up off the streets--so that means he would've paid for her education and likely used his name to help smooth her admission into the impressive universities and first couple of jobs. And the Lena/Michael conflict that we saw, before the conflict over Bianca, was mostly Lena wanting to be considered an equal, a partner with Mikey, not as an employee. She didn't fear him. Now after he threatened her mother, she got afraid; once her mother was safe, she stopped being afraid again.

I actually choose to view the whole gagworthy retcon as just Gamer!Lena settling on a version of events that would present her in the best possible light, for purposes of rehabilitating her image and so the entire town wouldn't actively be trying to keep her away from Bianca. I don't think Bianca really buys it, either, but I also don't think she cares. She never focused on Lena's past; she focused on the stuff that Lena did that was specifically hurtful to her and Erica. Interestingly enough, the one thing not related to herself and Erica that Lena did that Bianca criticized her for was turning on Michael. Bianca has some strong ideas about loyalty.

I'm watching the Tad the Cad marathon. Dude, Krystal and Boobe are so Opal and Jenny: The Next Generation.

Yeah, which really sucks. One more thing Lianca has over BAM, is that Lianca has issues that the writers could mine for years. Dammit.



True. Another thing I'd like to know is just how Lena sees herself now. I know when it comes to Bianca, Lena puts a spin on reality. One of Olga's coolest quotes was that Lena wants to keep Binks innocent, whether that's healthy or not. It seems Bianca's feet will never quite touch the ground in Lena's mind, so how does Lena view herself in this equation?



Yep, that was a character defining moment. Bianca's the only person on earth whose mind would come up with that. Coolness.

I was just over at Eden's looking at the pictures of Eden, Cam, and Josh at Josh's premiere. So. Much. Pretty. Josh keeps getting better looking. Damn, I miss Leo! Cam seems a lot more likable in pics. Of course, these pictures just confirm that Eden will die from a chest cold. Cam and Josh had on sweaters and coats. Eden? Must have the highest body temperature known to man. Maybe she's giving all her coats to Luscious. ;)

Olga posted:

http://pub4.ezboard.com/fsosnovskasymposiu...picID=302.topic

Not at all informative, but sweet of her nonetheless.

Saw that. Let the fanwanking begin. I'll start.



Pro: The capitalized "LOVE" means she is resigning. Otherwise, she would've said "inform" or some other word.
Anti: She really means "I'd LOVE to tell you how they screwed me over. I am leaving, and I cannot tell you yet, but I would LOVE to, so you can get on with your lives."

Very sweet of her indeed. I can't get a read on her post at all as far as contract status goes, unless the "LOVE" in caps is supposed to be a clue (if so, then all's well).

I went to the grocery store and discovered that the Feb. 24th SOD has the Kinks+Erica ad previously posted here. Since I missed out on the last magazine Kinks ad, I just had to get this one. Alicia's eyes are really, really green in the photo and Eden looks stunning as well. Now I'm trying to decide whether I should cut out the rest of the ad so I just have a silhouette of Kinks. I've been using one thumb to block out Erica every time I look at it--Kinks looks totally couple-y that way. Heh. Yes, I'm pathetic.


Word. That was always a big problem with the BAM pairing--the story would be over once they got together. The story there has always been about Naggie's is-she-isn't-she conflict. One reason I liked Bianca/Frankie, and like Lianca, is that their sexuality isn't their central, or only, issue.


I think Lena feels, and always has, that she can be a good girlfriend to Bianca, and she defines that in large part as taking care of Bianca. I also think she feels she can reclaim her own innocence in this way. It is an interesting issue because I don't think Bianca wants to be taken care of--and frankly any idea of her innocence is long gone--and it's something that Lianca would have to deal with eventually under a writing team who'd be willing to explore their issues. Lena always puts the best spin on Bianca and it'd be interesting to see her deal with Bianca's Kane side. She has Bianca up on a pedestal, and Bianca knows it, and I think it makes her feel uncomfortable because she knows she's only human and flawed like everyone else. (Really, the whole thing has a Xena/Gabrielle dynamic to it.)


That reminds me, I really liked it when both Bianca and Greenlee said they'd never missed Leo so much, because I felt much the same way. I really wish Leo had been around for all this. I think he could've gotten the truth out of Bianca very quickly about the rape, I would've loved to see him helping her in the aftermath and with the pregnancy, and it would've been hella fun to see him and Lena interact.


Hee! What, you didn't think the pink scarf she had on outside with Josh and Aiden was enough protection? ;-) (or did Eden's site not have that pic up? Too bad, it's the cutest of the bunch and she does have on an open coat--very helpful--and scarf to help protect the Rack.)

God. That girl lives to show it off. I swear she's trying to kill us.
Anyone else want to smack Frankenbrow? Lord. Eden has the oddest taste in friends.
The pictures at the Kathy Brier event are far more understated. Notice how bodily unclose Eden is to her. So affectionate HET. It really makes the Alicia/Rebecca pics of yore stand out for their homo-lovey goodness!

Ah, Eden. Thanks for ditching the het (mostly) for the Binkster, the Kinkster, and the Lianca.

A link to Marc Menard's website was posted several pages back (I think) but did you all see this pic of him? He looks so un-Boyd-like.

Thank God that early Tad/Liza ep ended when it did. I'd hate to relive the burning of the Chuck/Donna baby. It was horrible enough the first time, and I was a kid then. Sitting watching it next to my own little son? Not at all enjoyable. The old characters, though! Jenny and Greg!! You know I've converted Mr. KerleyQ to an AMC fan when he willingly watches 6 hours of old AMC eps with me. Of course, who wouldn't watch 6 hours of Tad?

If you compare it to Olga's other posts, which are incredibly positive, upbeat and funny, this seems sober by comparison. I don't think it spells good news. But it doesn't necessarily mean she's out. It could mean she's being bumped to recurring.

Bwah! So you used the onewomanshow method? Hee!



Yeah, I could see that. Every time someone is fawning all over her, telling her how great/brave/strong/whatever she is, I've noticed she usual deflects the compliment. Unless it's Kendall, where fawning is foreplay, and the couch sees another brainstorming session. Heh.



Dude, me too. A lot of things would have played out differently. Plus, he would've come up with some elaborate scam to say the baby was his to spare Bling the stigma. Which would drive Greenlee absolutely batty. Hee! Oh, and we wouldn't have to wonder who iced Mikey's ass 'cause Leo would have done it. Of course, I wouldn't trade Kinks for Leo, but I wouldn't have minded having both. Yep, I'm greedy.



Argh! I didn't see any outdoor pics, nor any Aiden ones. :( Why hasn't any of the single ladies of AMC snapped him up? Oh yeah, because they're all either married or fighting over Luscious.



I don't know if I'm supposed to be turned on or laughing hysterically. Yup, I'm laughing. Gay!Pirate!Boyd? Marc is too pretty.



Hey, any guy that will help his wife count rack-checks between two sisters is a good guy in my book.

Pretty, pretty Marc. That picture makes him look like he should be in the movie version of Savage Love or something equally tacky.

About the baby switch, I can't believe that the TIIC at ABC can't see how bad an idea this is/would be. Not storyline wise because obviously they wouldn't recognize a bad s/l if it walked up and bit them on the ass, but in terms of audience reaction. When Erica stole that baby...it was Maddie. Okay, I just looked it up and Erica stole Maddie and passed her off as her own. Which I find absolutely hilarious for some reason. No wonder she's such a brat, spending her first few months with Erica. I wasn't watching then but wasn't the audience reaction to this storyline incredibly negative? Can they honeslty think that people are gonna like this? Erica should be stealing other people's boyfriends not stealing babies. Stupid execs. I can't believe that I'm getting this worked up over a s/l that might not even happen. Damn you AMC for making me care. Damn you to hell. Oh, wait, not hell. Damn you to Tartarus.

Oh, yeah, I found out Erica almost had an affair with her half-brother, Mark Dalton, when I was looking up whose baby she stole. They broke up when they found out they were related. Make of it what you will.

Also, who sings Eeency Weency spider? Seriously, is there anybody who sings it that way? Maybe it's a regional thing, like how all the people on the east coast say soda instead of pop. And it's sweet and sour sauce not duck sauce. Freaks :)

Eden - Answers some fan questions via her official peep Sandi, who then posts the e-mail to the board. The new plan being, since she never gets around to answering questions on the board due to being uberbusy, that Sandi will e-mail some every couple months and E will answer a few.

Here are the 1st three:
Linkity link

I've heard it sung that way a couple of times. The other 798 times, it's been Itsy Bitsy Spider. (All 800 times in the same town in southern CA) Heh. But Lena's European--maybe they sing Eensy Weensy Spider in Britain?


Yes, it was VERY negative. I think the show eventually wrote something along the lines that Erica wasn't completely responsible for that--she was unhinged by losing her own baby or some such. Erica would have no such excuse this time, and it's her daughter we're talking about, who's already been through enough shit in the last couple years for ten lifetimes, so I really can't imagine how negative the reaction would be now. But Frons did make that comment that AMC has two women due at the same time (yeah, I know, AFAIK they aren't) and so there would be a shocking, amazing twist (uh huh). So we do have some indication spoiler-wise that a baby switch is coming.


Yup, that's why Bianca's one of the extremely few soap heroines I've actually rooted for. Most of the standard soap heroines are convinced of their own saintliness and perfection and are worshipped as such and accept all worship as merely their due, when they do just as much shady shit as everyone else. Gag. The fact that Bianca's moral policy essentially boils down to "no hurting me or mine"--otherwise she doesn't care what kind of shady stuff people have pulled--helps a lot too. AMC's gone a bit heavy on St. Bianca at points but she never views herself that way, so I can tolerate it much more easily than I would normally. Thank goodness.


That would have been so much fun. Heh. You know that if Leo had lived, one day when Bianca was looking for a sperm donor, she would've turned right to him. On the one hand I'm really happy for Josh Duhamel that he's doing so well and has such a bright future ahead of him, but OTOH it really sucks to know that he is never going to return. The Leo character had some important relationships and the part is near unrecastable--i.e. AMC probably could, but only if they waited seven years and then lucked out, as they did with Alicia's Kendall (I give Alicia full credit for everything she's accomplished as Kendall--I adored her the second I saw her, basically--but I also do feel that the seven years in between helped, too.)


That's odd--I wonder why whoever scanned the pics from Josh's movie showing skipped that one. Eden looks radiant in it and it's totally Pretty Overload, since she's got Josh on one side and Aiden on the other. Mmmm. In the SOD that has the pictures, there's a mention that Aiden has a girlfriend. He said something about how he'd have to take the GF to see the movie because he knew she'd like it.

You're gonna make me blush. That paper sounds like a interesting read, by the way. Heh. I never would have thought to do something like that. I had an English professor once who gave me the following advice about writing papers--"When in doubt, look to sex or death." I suppose she was right.



[small voice]I can't decide whether its wrong of me to laugh at this or not. But, it's funny.[/small voice]



Good call, BK. I'll admit that that moment in the scene had me a bit confused. Now, it makes complete sense. And you're right, it's obvious that Eden makes intelligent acting choices. The nerd in me immediately wondered, after reading your post, whether or not Eden keeps and catalogs her acting notes and what kind of acting "system" she uses as far as breaking down her scripts. I'm pathetic.



*snicker* Or left them over at her place. . .



Yes, but Eden and Kathy aren't "bestfriends". *ahem* More Kinks pictures, that's what we need.

Will Ginks do? Look at this one from 2001. She and Rebecca are veeeeery close in this one. Go to page 3 and scroll to the bottom. Heh. Ginks

There's an Alexa Havens article in the SOD I picked up today. There's a mention in it that Eden went out of her way to make Alexa feel comfortable at AMC by including her in social outings away from the set. There's also a picture of Alexa's dressing room door, on which she has posted a lot of photos of herself with friends and castmates, and a pic of her and Eden--who is in one of her usual cleavage-baring she's-trying-to-kill-us-all tops--up at the top looking very chummy indeed.


Not at all--now that you bring it up, I'd love to know that, too. Olga once commented Eden's a perfectionist about her work. But she's also interesting in that you don't usually catch her doing anything obviously "acting". It all seems to come from a very organic place, which would seem to indicate a lack of anal-compulsive breaking down of her scripts. It's one of the reasons why, like Josh's Leo, it'd be a bad idea to try to recast Bianca quickly were Eden to leave--she seems to just kind of be Bianca. And so a recast would either have to try to imitate Eden--which is just a bad idea, since it fundamentally goes against the whole way Eden plays Bianca and so would turn Bianca into a set of mannerisms and tics--or be something hella special herself.

And onewomanshow, I want that dirty little ditty you offered to write. Consider this the HOLLA you requested. Heh.

Yes indeedy. He got a brother?


When SMG first started on Buffy and got some notoriety, I was supremely bummed because I thought the part of Kendall was unrecastable and her being famous meant she'd NEVER go back to it. So yeah, it makes sense that we'd feel the same way about Josh's Leo. But it's only been a year and a half (or so). Give it five and a half more and maybe they'll get lucky again. The downside is that the show's track record for hiring guys isn't near as good as it is for hiring girls.

And yeah, Alicia deserves a LOT of credit for the success of Kendall this time around. She had some big shoes to fill.


I'd love to accommodate you but all that occurred ten years and about four million moves ago. That sucker is long gone. The really funny thing was me going around to all my friends' dorm rooms and borrowing all their smut books, then skimming them and taking notes. I got the funniest looks from people in the study lounge.

That professor of yours was right: sex sells. With my particular prof, I figured out early on that he loved papers on euphemisms. One time I submitted one on how truck drivers seem to have their own language. And I all I did for research was watch Smoky and the Bandit.

If you have those sorts of general audience questions for Eden ... you should go post them on her board. Hopefully, she'll get them unedited (unlike, say, mine.). I think they got my message about that. :-)

Exactly. Which is why I feel torn about the rumors flying around that Eden may leave the show. While I feel that leaving would probably be the best thing for her career right now, I'd hate to be without her and Bianca.



Yowsa! And, ah, IIRC, weren't those two roomies at the time that picture was taken? Hmmm.



I'll get right on that. No problem. I used to write about five a day for my bestfriend. Now, I wish I'd kept those things. . .

ETA:



Sweet. I once wrote a paper on feminism that dealt exclusively with the character Dana Scully from the X-Files. Heh.

I agree. The thing that bodes well for a recast of Leo some day, despite AMC's general poor track record with men, is that the show does seem to realize how difficult it'd be to recast Leo and that they need to wait and be careful. Otherwise, Leo'd most likely be back in town already, given both his popularity and Greenleo's popularity.


Heh. It's such a painful and unpleasant task.

I have never heard anyone sing it as that. It was cool seeing that Lena's anal retentive streak is alive and well. I bet she terrorized Google until she found the perfect baby sing-along CD with the best recommendations possible. Then she promptly memorized the complete song list, including the spelling and proper pronunciation. Heh. I've adored Dorky!Lena since the Lianca does Europe itinerary.



They seem to get on pretty well on-screen. The only time I've liked Babe has been in scenes with Binks. Eden must pick and choose who she rolls out the welcome wagon for, seeing as how she didn't notice who the hell poor Justin B. was. Heh.



Aw, Rebecca looks sooooooo wittle! I was trippin' over Rebecca's wig in the pic of Becca/Eden/Cady (?). Naughty. Those AMC peeps love their group hugs, don't they?



Eden leaving would be depressing (I'm trying to ignore all the rumors that she is leaving. Lalalalalala). I really have no faith in TPTB's casting ability. Alicia was a miracle that probably wouldn't be repeated. Gah, a re-casted Bianca. Mainly, it would suck because it would screw up the good cast chemistry AMC's got going on. All the major players are talented and play well off each other. Plus, Alicia, Eden, and Susan all really do look related. Then there's Kinks to consider. No, it's all too distressing to contemplate.

SkiffyPup, you asked about the L Word? If you don't mind saying, what did they cut out?



Way to hedge, Eden. Way to hedge. And I really hope you don't leave the show.



Dorky!Lena, Gamer!Lena, Schmoopy!Lena, I love 'em all.

She ain't leavin'. It's just one really busy idiot poster saying that stuff all over.
C'mon. The girl loves acting and attention. No way is she leaving to go back to school. I could see her leave for primetime or something like that ... but there has been not the teeniest rumor of that kind of thing.

Indigo ... you can see it at the link, where I posted my original question in my comments and thank you.

Eden doesn't seem that career-minded, more into her work and her fun. Plus, she's also quite young--she could sign on for another three or four years as Bianca and still be a couple years shy of 30 at the end, still in an excellent position to try for other roles. In some ways it'd be better if she waited, as far as other roles are concerned, because at her age now she'd probably be cast in teenage roles, which are usually shallow and tend to pigeonhole actresses, even the good ones. If she waits until 27 or 28 she'd be up for the better-written, more complex adult female parts.

In short, unless AMC sticks her on the backburner and tells her to forget about getting any more story, I doubt she'll leave this time. In any case there's months to go before her contract is up--I think the only reason why there's rumors of her departure right now is because of the speculation that Bianca killed Michael.

ETA:
Heh. I love how she's so smart in the way she answers questions. She manages to express a veiled preference for Lianca without pissing off those of her fans who are into BAM.

She also pimpity pimped mctavish again. *heh* She never changes. Just between y'all and the lamppost- This is one reason why I love Olga more.

Heh--Olga, who made sure to throw out big bones to the BAM fans last year? I do think there's a difference because Eden is much more of a spokesperson than Olga's had to worry about being, but Olga does the politic stuff too.

Oh, and onewomanshow, that pic of Eden and Rebecca is from October of 2001, so yeah, I believe the timing's right. Didn't Eden move in with Rebecca after her apartment was destroyed?

Sadly, no. I wish he did, if for no other reason than to divide his mother's attention... But yeah, he's always willing to count rack-checks.

BK- There WAS no Lianca organized fanbase then ... or even an ezboard. Olga definitely knew she had to kiss some bambooty until her own fanbase developed and finally became so incensed at the backstabbing undermining of those freaks that they set up their own boards and organizations.

She won over so many of them, it was definitely worth it. At least Olga's never been so tasteless as to pimp ScTavish!

If Olga had actual screentime under McTrash, it'd be a different story, SkiffyPup. Nor would I fault her for it. I thought the catering to the BAM fanbase was an intelligent move on her part as well. Point being, they're both politic when they need to be, as are most daytime actors, period.

Well, Olga and Eden are kinda an apples and oranges deal. Olga doesn't have two fan bases to appease. It would be the dumbest thing ever for a soap actress to align herself strictly to one couple or fan base. The very nature of soaps means that you'll go through a million different pairings. None of this is to say that you shouldn't like Olga better or whatever, everyone's got their preference and all.

As for complimenting McT, there's no arguing that Eden's gotten some good material to really push her acting chops. I doubt the actors see the storylines as we do. Eden made a good point that you can't consider every single aspect of what your SL means or translates to. No actor could work ever if they did. I'll be the first to say McT is a hack but some of her ideas, as portrayed by the actors, have been some good stuff. I hated Voldemort but have enjoyed some damn fine drama and acting that rose out of its hideous depths. That said, I do hope McT is canned.

ETA:

I read somewhere that her crib went boom in 9/11.

Yeah. Eden's cool. I have no problem with it.
Recap of my opinions: Eden is cool. Olga can do nearly no wrong. And McTavish is a hack. I agree that Eden's execution of the material she is given is killer great work.

The other thing to consider is that Eden's worked nonstop since the day McTrash took over. A certain amount of gratitude is expected for such, especially from an actress who would like a certain couple to come to the forefront. In short, if Eden wants Lianca, she has to stay on good terms with McTrash. Otherwise she's off to the backburner or off the show altogether, and without Bianca there's no Lena.


Yes, she lived across the street from the WTC. Thank goodness a soap's workday starts early.

Dude! I thought you meant the other one! You know they claim she still wants it badly. LOLOL

Hee! I do heart you, Skiff. I hope you didn't feel anyone was trying to change your mind but I fear for Olga/Lianca fans sometimes. I don't want you hardcores to ever become so involved in the backstage crap or in deification that someday you go all BAM on our asses. If (and here's hoping) Olga stays on AMC longterm, she'll have to do her share of pimping (it being their job and all) and if McT is at the helm, the poor girl will probably have to pimp something you'll hate. I saw the BAM folks slag on Liz and Eden for being unfaithful to BAM, and I reeeeeeally don't want to see the Lianca peeps morph into that, ya know? I like y'all all cute, sane, and snarky. And in your case, passionately sassy. ;)

Man! That is my second best valentine today! I can't speak for all lianca fans (or even most) and I'm not part of that official team anymore and haven't been for awhile. I'd be nearly as happy seeing Lena get her freak on with Aiden ... or Olga doing something more interesting that I can watch (fingers crossed!).

Lena/Aiden- You'd have to watch twice. What'd he say? What'd she say? Then he said what? Hee. It would be hilarious. And who cares if you couldn't understand their conversations? Honestly. OR- It would be so cool if they Canary'd Olga and gave Lena a twin sister (secretly shipped away by her anti-commie parents who could, "Sophie's choice"-like, only send one baby to freedom.) who could come to Pie Balley all BritHet and ready to rock and roll.

Gotta love Eden, she throws in the "intimacy" bone for the pervy Lianca fans, and the "unique" bone to that singular institution known as BAM.

Heh. And that makes me wonder--has Aiden gotten better in his enunciation, or have I just gotten used to his accent? British accents are usually the easiest of any kind of voice for me.

Still, with that kind of pretty, who needs to talk? Now I have an image of him mugging at her like he did for Kendall, and her dancing the Hustle for him like she did for Bianca, in a contest to out-cute each other or die laughing. Bwah!

Eden post on the Retcon32's board tonight re: her Brokerage appearance and a BAM contest: "Hey Bammers, Riegel Rebels and Liz Loyalists!"

They want to perform your G rated fantasy BAM.

Would Bianca stabbing Maggie to death be considered G-rated?

How about Maggie falls head-first down that mineshaft that Greenlee's stuck in, Maggie's head hits a rock and splits open, emitting a burst of air that lifts Greenlee right out of the mineshaft? For the purposes of that little skit, Eden would, of course, have to play Greenlee. Think they'd dig it, y'all?

Black Knight, let me know if you want me to e-mail you that Kinks poem, or post it here.

Well, that would work if it was Mia.

Okay delurking to add my thoughts. First of I would like to say that yes I am a young man who is a BAM fan and I know I am walking into the proverbial lion's den here. Well, I have posted other forums here and I like the chats here. THat being said I am not really a member of any BAM fan club or any clubs for any couples. I just like BAM and I like Liz and the character of Maggie. And I do love Eden and Bianca

Okay I have been reading about Olga maybe leaving and I can't say I am surprised if she does. I mean really the rape seemed like a hard thing for her character to go from. I say this because all the conflict seems to have been removed from the Lianca relationship. Bianca seems to trust her, Erica has been more accepting, Kendall offered her a job and Lena seems to be supportive of the baby. Alot of the conflicts that could have arisen for the couple that would have given them a s/l have seemed to been resolved with little fanfare. I also think learning more about Lena's past esp. with Michael is like a double-edge sword. The more we could find out the worse it could look for the Lena character. Example is did she know about this other rape that was alluded to? If she did and was still involved with him that would be pretty bad. I've also thought that bringing on a male version of Bianca on would be interesting. What I mean by this is a young man that Lena seduced who was a child of a CEO, innocent, and an overall good person. But instead of falling for him like she did with B, she and Michael did ruin him and his family and now the young man has come for revenge.

I am not going to try to change anyones mind about Bam or Maggie but I do want to say somethings about her. I like the character and I think she has potential for many different storylines with or without Bianca. First, I think the conflict in BAM is not just about sexuality but also about Maggie being able to be in love. From what I have seen from both Maggie and Frankie, they must have had a pretty screwed up childhood. Frankie was like this raw nerve who felt everything and Maggie seems to have built walls to prevent from feeling anything yet they are both emotionally repressed. I would like to know what happened to them. I have always thought they could bring on Maggie's father (all we know about him is that he abandoned them) to help delve into. I mean look at how many good 40-50ish male soap actors that are available (SN, RKK, AM, LD etc). I also think her career could be a storyline because I don't know if becoming a doctor is for her. I do know her character has many flaws but I like her and the actress and I think given time and writing could mature into a really good, well-rounded soap character who I will hope does dress more conservative.

THat being said, like Olga, I wouldn't be surprised if EH isn't around when her contract expires. I think both characters have been so tied down to Bianca that they haven't been explored as individuals enough. I think EH has had some really bad breaks with her characters and I think another one would be the writing on the wall. I am also not going to get into these arguments about the fans because both sides have good and bad people representing their side. Nor do I want to get into what the actresses said or meant by what they said because I know none of them and don't pretent to know what is going on in their minds. All I know is that actresses are all friends so I don't want to disrespect any of them.

Okay, that's my post. I probably didn't get to say everything that I was thinking or say it as well I would have liked to but this post was getting too long. I just felt the need to say something because I as stated earlier I do like alot of the discussions at TWoP and I agree with alot of things on this forum except for the obvious. So let the merciless mockery begin!

*growl* Hee, just kidding, man. Dude, it's cool. While this may not be the best board to come to if you wanna feel the Maggie love, we do have a couple of occasional posters that are Maggie fans. I don't think we've killed one yet. ;)



Bwah! Good point. I wonder if they'll give Aidan a job after the murder stuff clears up? I love the boy but he's dangerously close to subplot island since his one family tie has left town. Of course, he's generally accepted as a part of PV. Even LaKane seems to respect him. Mostly though, TPTB just plug his pretty self into whatever SL needs a Captain America/Spy Boy, so maybe it works for him that he's so flexible.



And thank goodness you have really cute cast mates willing to take your homeless ass in. Heh.

No worries, ybrik, it's not allowed. Glad you came out of lurkdom...


I've always thought she did know. She said as much in a fight with Erica once, and there was an implication in a later conversation she had with Michael. AMC has smartly dropped it, as you're right, it would be pretty bad. I love Amoral!Lena, but there are some lines. There are some write-arounds that could be done to explain this away, but it would all be along the lines of more retcon Victim!Lena shit, which I'm not in favor of. Plus, it makes Lena not telling anyone about Michael's threat of Bianca--something else AMC has smartly appeared to drop--even stupider.

And I would be down with a previous victim of Lena and Michael's coming to town--a male version of Bianca, heh, would be amusing. But it'd also be interesting if it was a woman out to take Bianca from Lena. After all, the way to truly hurt Lena is through Bianca or her mother. A woman so hurt by what Lena did that she turned pretty evil would be interesting for Lena to deal with--she can't let herself feel too sympathetic when, after all, said former victim is out to destroy her, plus there could be a sexual attraction present still between them--and it'd work on another level because Bianca has a weakness for shady people.

I agree that right now there's next to no onscreen conflict with Lianca, but the thing for me is that because of Lena's past, Voldemort, and so on, there's years worth of material that could be done, if the show was just willing to write it. There is so much built in there that wouldn't be resolved upon their getting back together, so they'd be the kind of couple that can be together and reasonably happy while still having a lot of issues to work through (i.e. their issues aren't making them fight 24/7, causing the audience to ask why they don't just end the misery). The built-in issues with BAM, OTOH, would be pretty much resolved upon their getting together. AMC would have to create something else.


Punching Michael out in the police station helped a lot, I'm sure. I could practically see Erica swooning that time. But yeah, Aidan's another of those characters who are almost completely dependent on the Kane Women for screentime. When Kendall stupidly chose to get back with Ryan, Aidan's ep count dropped. I wonder if the apparent upcoming pairing with Anita will change anything. If AMC really is going to go that way, I have to sigh, because then Aidan obviously hasn't learned anything. A married woman on the outs with her husband? Disaster.


And, thank goodness you have a Rack-o-SORAS that gives really cute Pinging the Gaydar castmates an ulterior motive for taking you in. Heh. Someone needs to get Rebecca drunk sometime and find out what her real nickname for Eden is.


Given how many people in this thread ride the KinkSled, unless the poem's NC-17 or something, I say post it here. I wouldn't want to deprive anyone...especially my Pervy Sister Mystic0. Heh. Mystic0, that reminds me, where did you read that fan fic about Kinks on the run from the cops? I know you said it was perfectly innocent, but the Pervy filter is strong...

Black Knight, you're my homegirl and all, but this brain sharing is getting spooky. I was just thinking the other day how interesting it would be to have one of Lena and Mikey's old marks come to town to reap a little vengeance. Since they couldn't get to Mikey (him having a severe case of dead and all), they could go about systematically fucking up everything Lena holds dear. Ooh, Olga could get to brush off her Screwed!Lena faces! If what Lena and Michael had done to this person was particularly nasty and cruel, Lena probably wouldn't be all forthcoming girl with the details to Binky and it would be fun watching her run around trying to fix it without Bianca being aware. There could be blackmail, intrigue, drama, and Screwed! faces. Lovely. Plus, I wouldn't be opposed to putting a nail in the kitten-up-a-tree Lena coffin and revisting the fact that once she tore shit up and it was cool.



Damn straight! Come on, fess up, Rebecca. We're all pervs here... I'd also love to get Alicia and Eden tanked and get them talking 'bout Kinks.



Hee! It's not posted anywhere that I know of, it was emailed to me. It's a harmless little ditty but it's good for giving the filter a work out. Hit me with your email addy (not that you check your email or anything) and I'll forward it to ya. Mmm.....Kinks. I'm so looking forward to the Kendall tells Reggie to take care of Bianca for her scene. How deliciously romantic.

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Valentines snark. Snarkity snark. Love her!

Right on, Mystic0. It'd be a perfect SL to do in so many respects, but especially because it'd rejuvenate Lena's character and let her claws come out with someone who'd actually be a worthy opponent. Naggie's just too easy.

Speaking of cons and such, Kendall brought up an interesting point about how she feels that as CambiasHeirBianca's sister, she's a target for golddiggers now too. It's kind of too bad that the "pair of con artists hit town and target the Sisters Kane" has been done already. Kinks wasn't a solid unit during FEM; now, their revenge'd be scaaaaaary.

Hmm, I guess I'm just on board with the "let them tear shit up!", whether it's Lena, Bianca, Kendall, or preferably all three. Give 'em all a target.


Heh. dagnytag45@aol.com. I actually check that one--the addy that TWoP has is the one that I only check once in a blue moon. Thanks much, Pervy Brain-Sharing Sis.

That's how I learned it and that's how I taught it to my nephew when he was a toddler.

Actually, Black Knight, I do know about the no mockery of each other. I was just using a quote from one of my favorite shows of all-time, NewsRadio.

I agree with you that Lena's past has many story possibilities but like we both said opening these doors up could end up doing alot more harm than good. That's why I always thought the raped ruined Lianca because so much of her past seems to be linked to Micheal. However, I have always thought that the Lena character should be explored more. At her best Lena is more of an Adam type character. And like Adam, these characters are good at sparking a romance but over time the storylines get redundant. (SEE Adam&Liza)

But I guess mainly I am sucker for friends to lovers storylines because there really aren't that many good ones on TV. I don't think the start of a relationship with BAM is the end of their issues. Quite frankly, I think both of these girls have some major issues. Bianca has her mother issues, the baby, the rape, and Cambias's murder. All this plus once these are resolved, where does she go from here? Her life has been at a standstill for months she has to decide what's next. Maggie has got the 'more issues than Rolling Stones' going on. SHe's got trust, love, and family issues that obviously need to be dealt with. I also think her being a doctor never really meshed just like Bianca working for her mom.

In general, all three ladies have storylines that could and should be explored but I don't think they will be. I feel both the Lena and Maggie characters won't be explored as individuals and will just be tied to Bianca.

Thsi is only my second post, so please be gentle. Treat me like a virgin on her wedding night.(Hee)

I would like to preference this post with I adore Lianca. Having said that, I needed someplace neutral to voice my opinions. I am a Lianca fan, but unlike most I am a Bianca fan first and foremost. I know some will deny this but the proof is on which board they post on more. Using the excuse they feel uncomfortable posting on Eden's board. There are Eden fans who have refused to be run off by those asswad Bammers. Which brings me to those head in the sand morons. I used to want Bam but now I would rather shove a hot poker up my own ass than watch them as a couple. It's not that Eden could not convince me that Bianca actually wants Maggie (Eden could convince me of anyhting because I am so her bitch), my reasons are pure spite and disdain for that particular fanbase. Those brainless twits have caused me to have an unimpaired aversion to all things Maggie/Liz related. Their rape pimping and defense of McSuck is very telling. Saying they wanted Eden to have more airtime when in fact she was already in a frontburner story with Olga and not their precious Liz. They are ALL ABOUT MAGGIE. One of those dumbass tools even has I.I.A.L (It is all about Liz) in her sig as she happily post on Eden's board about how much she loves Eden. Until someone called her on it and it mysteriously disappeared. This would be the same numbnut who has defended rape-happy Meggie to the mags and says McTavish is the best writer in daytime(which is also in her sig). What self respecting lesbian or woman for that matter would fortify this misogynistic cretin.

As much as I love watching Eden portray Bianca, and would miss Lianca and Kinks (yes I have been on the Kinks sled since that day in the clinic when Kendall put Bianca's hair behind her ear, kissed her on the cheek, and whispered ever so closely to Banca's ear "I love you" causing a whimper to come from Bianca. Man I need a cigarette just thinking back to it), I would rather she left this trainwreck. But then again I want her to outlast Meg's reign of terror. Catch-22 much. Before I end this post, I would like to say I really look forward to coming here every day and reading these post. This board is one of my enjoyments of AMC. The other being Eden and here more than impressive acting skills, her lovely lips, and her glorious cleavage. YUM