luv2surf
Feb 7, 2004 @ 2:34 am
Many thanks Black Knight for the link, I owe you a Kinky sled drink specially for us damned ;)
When Greenlee was threatening to throw herself out the window, was anyone else thinking, "Dammit! Right window, wrong Fusion Troll."
Heh, so true. Only mine went more like "No McTrash, we said
Mia, M-I-A dammit!" They so visit the boards!
Oh hell!! I just noticed that her name spells it all out:
Missing
In
Action. This girl is meant to take a long walk off a short pier y'all. That has to mean something, so take heart.
And this:
Ryan dumps ring into Greenlee's mineshaft prison and covers it up with a boulder. Too funny. That's symbolic I'm sure of it. I just can't organize it into a coherent or insightful observation right now. No double entendres intended.
The three Marx brothers, Adam, David and Tad, had me in stitches with the dogpile on the floor and sneaky finger pointing. Love. It. And now they'll all be in the slammer with the horny youngins, sweet.
Word on the pleasant lack of Krystal and progeny, I feel smarter
and cleaner as a result!
"Simone discovers Tad has been sleeping with both Liza and Krystal. Liza and Krystal spar over Tad" Hmm. I guess Simone opts out of the running. Too bad, it sucks, but good for her.I must have a soft spot for Erica. Since way back in the day, whenever she is saying and doing ridiculous things, I always come back around when LaLucci shows us Kane's humanity. She does the pompous flaunting of everyday Erica well, keeping her on this infallible plane, but now and again circumstances arise and she comes back down to Earth.
Not as grounded as Binky for sure and it doesn't last, but I see it in her and I've got faith in Susan, my soap hero since elementary school. That said, I'm with the 'scared of Erica' group. Her denile is on mad overtime...and we know it won't last.
Wooda
Feb 7, 2004 @ 11:35 am
Oh man, I can't decide if Erica is vaguely sympathetic, because she personalizes this baby as much as Kendall can't help doing, and Erica *is* still something of a nutcase anyway, or if Erica is just showing herself to be the unmaternal shrew she usually seems to me. (It also looks as if she's about to get more upset that Jack kept it from her than her own pregnant daughter. Is that her priority? Jack, then Bianca? Is her pride that fragile?) Anyway, Lucci's acting is great this week. I've been looking forward to this moment, they do make what Erica does momentous somehow! Poor Bianca always has to walk on eggshells around this woman.
Black Knight, can you refresh me about the conditions Greenlee laid out for Kendall when she returned from Vegas? I'm not doubting you, I really don't remember the details! "Unconditional love is for puppies"?, Jack? Yeah, and for Jack vis-a-vis Kane women, heh. I don't know how Greenlee is supposed to earn their trust if she's not given a chance to, um, earn their trust. (Did she have to earn David's trust, too?) She absolutely went after Erica in business, and she was furious that Erica kept it from Jack that he was her father, though of course the real culprit here is Mary. But she wasn't giving reason to think that she would have tried to hurt Bianca. She never gave reason to think that she just adored Cambias, or would stand in the way of his destruction. She had been Kendall's friend, trying to protect her from Cambias, until the post-Vegas shocks. Seriously, when people saw her checking things out these past few weeks, somebody should have told her what the hell was going on. She was reeling in hurt, but she never went to the prosecution, she never did the calculating, Adam-style thing that could have made her point much more easily a long time ago. She was way too confused and unbalanced , really. It was personal, about her and Kendall. Meanwhile, Adam, in all his splendor, is willing to let Kendall fry. If he knows who did it, he doesn't care that she'll go down and is innocent. And he doesn't have as much to be angry at Kendall over, it's just part of his overall strategy. Contrast that to Greenlee, who has lost the rational side of her feelings and is telling everyone to go to hell, thinking of suicide again (well, I don't think she really is, she's very melodramatic) and smashing up Fusion. She does care, and that just makes it worse. If she'd had no emotional investment in many of these people, what she'd done would just be pure unadulterated evil. But it's a breakdown. Look at how she said she was nobody's daughter. Mary doesn't count, because Mary's no mother. She's a scheming partner, she didn't try to set her daughter straight, and she has her own agenda with Adam anyway that she's much more involved with. Greenlee had, smartly or not, invested a lot of feelings in her very newfound relationship with Jack. Now that she thinks Jack and a lot of other people hate her and wish her dead, she's spiraling down even more. I have to blame Ryan as much as Greenlee or Kendall's delusion for that breakup. Ryan tried to play both sides, he wasn't honest with either one of them. He kissed Greenlee, and he led the little nutcase on as much as he pleased, just in an apparent attempt to shut her up. (He lets the lines between friendship and lust blur with them, and it's cheating on Kendall, IMO.) No wonder Kendall didn't understand what he was up to. And why didn't he just answer Kendall, "You are wrong, I didn't manipulate you", instead of his little huffy exit? He manhandles women and treats them like children. I don't care if sometimes these women act like children, he's insufferable. Personally, I think he's too friendly with Maria. Don't even go there.
Is Boyd's comment that it was all for nothing the clue they referred to? Is it him, or is that too obvious? What if it really is Kendall and Boyd? That would be interesting!
I hope Greenlee drags Ryan into the mineshaft with her and climbs out on his big, blocky head. Then she can push Mia in, for fun, and let Ryan annoy her to death.
DarcyPennell
Feb 7, 2004 @ 11:53 am
I thought Ryan was acting like a whiny five year old. "You have thirty seconds to take that back! Or .. or .. I'm telling! MOMMEEEE!" I couldn't believe he had so little compassion for the woman he's supposed to love. She just lost her future, possibly her life. You'd think he would cut her a little slack when she lashed out. No, storming out on her in her hour of need was way more mature.
I can just imagine them as a married couple: "Ryan I wish you wouldn't leave your dirty dishes in the sink." "How dare you not trust me! You have thirty seconds to take that back!"
snarkyb
Feb 7, 2004 @ 12:23 pm
Too bad for the Kendall court case that they already discredited the reverand and the ME. I don't recall all the facts, but if the ME says the time of death was x o'clock on August 29th (give or take a few hours), and rev. crazypants says that Kendall was marrying Boyd at roughly that same time that same night (and given the time it takes to fly from PA to Las Vegas and back (and the assumption on my part that there are not a whole lot of flights after a certain time of night)), then the jury would have had to acquit. Or maybe the time of death had too long of a "give or take a few hours" and I have no idea what I'm talking about.
SkiffyPup
Feb 7, 2004 @ 12:58 pm
I thought Ryan was acting like a whiny five year old. "You have thirty seconds to take that back! Or .. or .. I'm telling! MOMMEEEE!"
DarcyPennell, that was my exact thought too!
Ryan needs to go. Mr. Self Fluffer just macked on Greens and is busily patting himself on the back because he didn't actually fuck her. Then this asshat move?
Kendall has a right to panic because of 1) what she saw 2)her situation and 3)her Kane genes. Allowances must be made. You cannot leave a Kane woman who makes assumptions, throws accusations, and issues demands. You'll
always be leaving, because it never ends.
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 12:59 pm
Black Knight, can you refresh me about the conditions Greenlee laid out for Kendall when she returned from Vegas?
She told Kendall to combine Fusion with Enchantment, kick Erica out, and give the shebang to Greenlee to run, and turned nasty when Kendall refused. It was very clear that Greenlee's support was tied to this, because just before that she'd made a big production of how she and the other Fusion girls would support Kendall through her marriage to Michael, that it'd been a brilliant plan on Kendall's part, etc. Kendall fell for it and looked grateful to have the backup. Then Greenlee proposed the Fusion/Enchantment merger, Kendall saw Greenlee's true motive, called her on it, said she was not going to kick her own mother out, and that was that.
Poor Bianca always has to walk on eggshells around this woman.
I thought it was very telling that the first thing Bianca said to Erica in regards to her pregnancy was that she didn't do it to hurt Erica. That is what Erica always accuses Bianca of whenever Bianca does something Erica doesn't like--she accuses Bianca of doing it on purpose to hurt her. She did it with Bianca's sexuality, with her choice of girlfriends, with her support of Kendall, etc. etc. Yes, Bianca's an enabler and she needs to stop walking on eggshells and just tell Erica to either accept her or go to hell, but she learned that bad pattern. Her whole life Erica has told her that any attempt to be different from what Erica wants is an unintentional attack on Erica at best and a malicious attempt to intentionally hurt Erica at worst, and Erica usually goes with the latter "malicious intent" theory. Consciously or not, Erica has pounded the theme into Bianca over and over from a young age that the most important thing is to protect her mother, that every action of Bianca's must be considered first and foremost through a filter of How it Affects Erica. Bianca's comment to Kendall that her job was to protect her family was telling. It's not her job, except in regards to her baby, but she sees it that way because both her environment and her genes have reinforced it--all the Kane Women feel strongly about protecting each other.
Speaking of protection, I'm back to thinking that Jack suspects that Bianca, not Erica, killed Michael. Did anyone notice his slip-up with Greenlee? He told Greenlee that everything Kendall has done since August 28 has been to protect Bianca. But the pregnancy scam didn't start August 28th, it started almost two months later when Kendall found out Bianca had not gone through with the abortion.
Of course, Jack also said that Reggie knew Bianca had been pregnant, which IIRC isn't true, but maybe the AMC writer for the day just remembered the relevant Bianca/Reggie scene incorrectly. (Reggie heard Bianca saying something in her sleep about the baby, and Bianca told Reggie that no baby existed.)
You'd think he would cut her a little slack when she lashed out. No, storming out on her in her hour of need was way more mature.
I totally agree, especially since he knows what Kendall is like. She needs reassurance constantly. Bianca gives Kendall that reassurance without Kendall having to ask for it, which is part of why she's the only one Kendall trusts completely, and also, interestingly enough why Kendall doesn't act clingy with Bianca. She doesn't need to; she's completely secure in her sister's love. But Ryan doesn't do that. If he had just hugged Kendall in the courtroom, say, he probably wouldn't have gotten the lashing out he did. I have no sympathy for him, and it looks like Bianca's completely out of patience with him. The way she was phrasing her sentence and delivering it in Monday's preview was very interesting and atypical for Bianca--she was all "
I want you to find her and get this straightened out!" Usually she would phrase it as advice and deliver it in a nice tone of voice. But Binky has had it with anyone making life the tiniest bit difficult for Kendall.
Lena, run. Bianca has too good of a BS detector, and neither the Man nor the Dark Father will be able (or inclined, as they're Kinks fans) to help you if Bianca thinks you're letting her precious Kendall get sent up the river.
kariyaki
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:24 pm
Is Boyd's comment that it was all for nothing the clue they referred to? Is it him, or is that too obvious?
I think Boyd's "all for nothing" comment was just in reference to the hoops they jumped through to keep Kendall's defense afloat all being in vain. I don't think it was him. He's much too in love with Kendall to let her take the fall for something he did. There's NO WAY he'd let her go up the river for murder if he's the one who did it.
I don't know what "the clue" was supposed to be. If they showed one, I didn't see it.
dirksunboy
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:29 pm
As much as I want McTrash GONE, I have to admit that this week was the first in a looooooooong time where I couldn't wait to get home to watch my AMC tape. The show has been really, really good this week....WORD to everyone's praise of LaLucci's acting. She really does rock when she's not playing hysterical or doing big sobbing scenes (hmmm...sorta like our miss Minshew).
I know these will be unpopular opinions with most of my fellow TWoP'ers, but even the non-Cambias stuff was good. I actually enjoyed Maggie and Jamie together--he's such a cute lunkhead and she's so fucked up and pathetic, and they have chemistry...They're probably the dumbest people in Pie Balley (well, besides Mia) so they might as well hook up! I'd rather see them going at it than another JR/Babe pawing session.
Liza also rocked this week. Nobody does bitchy conniving like Marcy Walker, and she looked hot, too. I hope she puts the screws to Krystal Burger big time. Still, I hope when the dust settles, Liza decides she doesn't want Tad and gets a new hot guy.
I'm kinda 50/50 on the Edmund/Maria stuff. On the plus side, I'm looking forward to Brooke, Anita and possibly Bobby Warner involved in this story, and that Eva LaRue sure does bring the pretty...on the minus side, get Juan Pablum and Ryan out of this story! Poor Eva LaRue having to fluff BOTH of them this week for what should be HER story!
Also, no Babe/JR/Krystal this week (PLUS) ...but no Mary (minus)...
All in all, I'd give the first week of sweeps an A.
Mystic0
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:38 pm
I have no sympathy for him, and it looks like Bianca's completely out of patience with him.
Seriously. I mean, look at Aidan. He knows Kendall's engaged and Kaidan is through, but he steps up at every opportunity and comes through when Kendall needs him. Ryan? Ugh. I can't blame Kendall for jumping to conclusions, when time after time, she catches him snuggling up to a woman that she
knows wants to destroy her. What's up with that? Plus, this really isn't the time to be bailing on your fiance, seeing as how she's almost certainly in a world of hurt right now. What an ass.
I don't know what "the clue" was supposed to be. If they showed one, I didn't see it.
Yeah, I got nothin'.
SkiffyPup
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:51 pm
Updated spoilers (new adds last night) from Beth at SON:
http://www.soapoperanetwork.com/boards/ind...?showtopic=3087Maggie is
still confused and tries to put it out of her mind? Heh. Just keep fucking Jaime. You're hot together.
So Binks goes to the
hospital for a baby emergency and the 2 unexpected people help her? Who in the hell is not expected to help Bianca? ROTFL that Erica won't go to the hospital and won't talk about Voldertot.
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 2:55 pm
SkiffyPup,
the only two people in town I could see as being "unexpected" are the two that are apparently out of contention altogether--Erica and Greenlee. So, beats me. If it's JR and Boobe, I'll scream because that's another hint that a baby switch is coming.I don't want BAM, certainly, but I also never want to see Jamie and Maggie boink again. They were squickworthy. She didn't look like she enjoyed the sex, and Jamie was the one who went on and on about how good it was in nauseating innuendo, so my guess is another go-round is not happening.
I don't know what "the clue" was supposed to be. If they showed one, I didn't see it.
Yeah, I got nothin'.
I finally came up with a slender possibility on my rewatch last night (shut up. I had to see what
regis said about Bianca knocking Kendall's dress off her shoulder. And she really did, hee. Ahem), but it's a possible clue mostly in the context of spoilers, so in tags this goes:
Look at the shot of when Kendall is holding Ryan's ring in her hand. Her hand is much the same position as it would be if she was holding a gun, and since she's wearing Lena's dress, we can see that the sleeves would come to a long enough length to hide her hand almost entirely if she was holding her arm straight. Kendall and Bianca are the only two female suspects in Pine Valley who could reasonably wear Lena's coat at all--since we know Opal was in police custody and Liza is not a suspect--and I still think Kendall ambushed Michael with a gun and forced him to videotape that clip of himself talking.I don't think Boyd's comment was meant to be anything of a confession. And that reminds me, I had to roll my eyes when Lena asked him what he was talking about, since she was right there when it was revealed that Kendall married Boyd. Maybe Lena brushed against Mia in the courtroom and lost some of her brain cells.
Or maybe the time of death had too long of a "give or take a few hours" and I have no idea what I'm talking about.
snarkyb, it's a good thought. But since we know that Michael was dead by the time Kendall and Boyd flew to Vegas, it wouldn't work as an alibi. The ME only gave a range of hours for Michael's TOD, but the earliest part of that range would certainly be before Kendall and Boyd's flight to Vegas.
boris, you're not the only one thrilled at
the prospect of not having to look at the Fugly Purple Monstrosity for a couple of days.
kariyaki
Feb 7, 2004 @ 3:02 pm
The ME only gave a range of hours for Michael's TOD, but the earliest part of that range would certainly be before Kendall and Boyd's flight to Vegas.
Not only that, the ME flat-out admitted on the stand that the TOD isn't 100% accurate anyway because of the condition of the body so really, Mikey could have been offed at any time that day.
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 3:08 pm
Yup, kariyaki. I'd say Livia pretty much made it look like Michael could have died anytime before his body was discovered, she was so effective. But the original poster was wondering if maybe Livia had inadvertently screwed Kendall over by so thoroughly decimating the ME's time of death, so I was explaining why it wouldn't help Kendall even if the TOD hadn't been discredited.
SkiffyPup
Feb 7, 2004 @ 3:26 pm
The 2 unexpected people who help Bianca could be the DA and ADA agreeing not to prosecute her for her subornation of purgery by Kendall and Dr.Helen, etc.
They're the only two people who could get the tag "unexpected".
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 4:03 pm
SkiffyPup, I think the help must have to do with her hospital scare. The spoilers say that David disregards it at first and realizes later that Bianca needs help, so that seems to imply that the two someones come across Bianca and call David to let him know it is serious. Boobe would know from prior experience that David should be called when Bianca's in physical trouble. JR/Boobe could qualify as "unexpected" as far as the spoiler-writers are concerned because they and Bianca don't interact much.
That said, I do wonder when the prosecution, or the defense, are going to get around to at least discussing calling Bianca as a witness. I could see the prosecution offering Bianca a deal where she gets immunity in exchange for turning state's evidence on her sister. And on the flip side, the best thing Livia could do is put Bianca on the stand and have her establish that 1) Kendall's lie about the pregnancy was to protect Bianca's pregnancy 2) that Bianca hated Michael like poison 3) that Michael was a miserable excuse for a human being. This would give the jury a more sympathetic reason for Kendall's lies, allowing Livia to potentially sweep under the table altogether Kendall's other motivations for lying--i.e. her defense and the inheritance (I know Kendall never lied for the latter reason, but the jury isn't necessarily going to believe that). Plus it'd establish the most viable suspect of all for Michael's murder, and finally make the jury perhaps not care all that much about seeing Michael's murderer punished. In short, get the defendant looking like a hero again, create reasonable doubt, and trash the murder victim. But Kendall will never let Livia call Bianca.
Those spoilers say Kendall testifies again, so perhaps she changes her mind about taking the plea bargain. She's really going to have to pull out a hell of a performance this time, seeing as how she's a convicted perjurer who already lied to this particular jury once. It now works against her that she was so convincing because now no matter how convincing she is next time, this jury's going to remember that they fell for her act once already.
jenmarie
Feb 7, 2004 @ 4:31 pm
I know these will be unpopular opinions with most of my fellow TWoP'ers, but even the non-Cambias stuff was good. I actually enjoyed Maggie and Jamie together
I hate Maggie so much that if it keeps the leech away from Bianca, than I love them together. Go Jaggie! Woohoo!
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 4:41 pm
What I want is for Adam to figure out some way to freeze Naggie with one of her guppy expressions on her face. Then he can give her to Bianca to put in her studio as a decoration. A different hideous outfit can be put on StatueMaggie every day and she'll have to watch Bianca happy with her two girlfriends without being able to whine, kissault, or otherwise annoy me.
SkiffyPup
Feb 7, 2004 @ 4:47 pm
Or David could concoct a "true nature" formula and turn Mehggie into The Unincredible Ms. Limpet.
She could live in her own fishtank and kissault the glass while Lianca gets acquitted on the sofa. Bonus- She'd need Binks and Lena to feed her and Lena could always threaten boiling water by showing the teakettle when Bianca has her back turned.
CKD
Feb 7, 2004 @ 4:56 pm
since we know that Michael was dead by the time Kendall and Boyd flew to Vegas
Hum. I guess that's true, but it would not explain why or how the drop of blood Kendall found on her shoe on her way back from Vegas got there: if she was one of the two people who carried whatever that was out of Michael's condo, then those were not the shoes she was wearing. Just another detail I hope McT will clarify for us, but what are the chances she'll do that?
SkiffyPup
Feb 7, 2004 @ 5:10 pm
yeah. Where is Ms. Desert Hearts (Patricia Charbonneau) the flight attendant? They need to have her back to testify about the shoe and to further torture the lesbian viewers by reminding them what hot lesbian romance is like.
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 5:21 pm
I guess that's true, but it would not explain why or how the drop of blood Kendall found on her shoe on her way back from Vegas got there: if she was one of the two people who carried whatever that was out of Michael's condo, then those were not the shoes she was wearing.
Kendall changed her clothes twice that night--first she changed out of her original dress into the black outfit Naggie saw her in, and then she changed into the dress she wore to Vegas. I don't remember what that one looked like, but if she wore the same shoes with both dresses and she was wearing the original dress when Michael died, she could have gotten the blood on her shoe then. Then she runs across the way, calls Boyd and changes into a sensible outfit for the dirty work of hauling Michael's body away and stashing it in the meatpacking plant.
Kendall was also surprised later, after the Vegas trip, when she returned to Michael's condo and found something--blood, maybe--that she then wiped up. I remember her saying "What the hell?" when she saw it. I've always thought that someone must've mucked around in the condo after Kendall had already departed with Mikey's body for that reason. Maybe that's when Adam was shot. Unless Jack or Lena stumbled into the furniture and cut themselves while they were running around in the dark planting heroin and poisoned pills.
CKD
Feb 7, 2004 @ 5:36 pm
I did think about Kendall changing clothes, but it seems weird to me that she would put on the same clothes she had on to either kill or move Michael: it would make more sense if she had ditched them.
The blood on the shoe was interesting, too: it wasn't a smear, but a drop, which is more consistent with spatter. In other words, that's not something she could have gotten on her shoe by moving Michael's body post mortem. Maybe it got there when they hung him in the meat-packing plant, but then I'd expect there would be blood on her clothes, too - which brings me back to the original point: Kendall would not have kept or put back on the same dress. Of course, this is a soap...
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 6:14 pm
I would think that after the time it took to change clothes, call Boyd to come over, stuff Mikey in a bag and get him to the meatpacking plant to hang up, the body wouldn't have been dripping blood anymore. It doesn't take long for blood to congeal. Actually, it wasn't even apparent that he'd been shot, IIRC--there wasn't any obvious huge bloodstain on his shirt, and we had to wait for the autopsy to find out that he'd died from a gunshot. In other words, he died instantly, therefore not much blood after the initial spatter of the exit wound to deal with. (Now I'm thinking of the Buffy episode in which Tara was shot. Heh.)
The dress Kendall wore in Vegas wasn't the same dress she'd been wearing before, was it? I agree that not even Kendall would've put on the same dress she'd worn at the murder scene, but I could see her thinking the same shoes would be okay if it was the only pair she had that went with her Vegas dress. Kendall could have been far enough away from Michael when he was shot that none of the blood from his exit wound landed on her dress at all, in which case she might not have considered blood on her shoes. But one spot could easily have landed on her shoe and none on her dress from that initial spurt of blood.
jenmarie
Feb 7, 2004 @ 6:25 pm
Did Kendall have a blood test done when she married Boyd? I always the drop of blood on her shoe could've happened during the blood test and that was just a red herring to make it look like she killed Michael.
kariyaki
Feb 7, 2004 @ 6:29 pm
I don't think they do blood tests in Nevada. Isn't that why it's so easy to have drunken marriages in Vegas?
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 6:38 pm
I just googled it and indeed, no blood test is required in Vegas. (Obviously, no waiting period required either.)
SFHagood
Feb 7, 2004 @ 6:43 pm
The dress Kendall wore in Vegas wasn't the same dress she'd been wearing before, was it? I agree that not even Kendall would've put on the same dress she'd worn at the murder scene, but I could see her thinking the same shoes would be okay if it was the only pair she had that went with her Vegas dress.
She had on that tight white with bright multicolored flowers dress in Vegas with beige linen looking shoes. It wasn't what she had on before.
DrCher
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:02 pm
Are blood tests even required anymore anywhere?
kariyaki
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:12 pm
That's a good question. For that matter, what's the point of marriage blood tests in the first place?
Mystic0
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:13 pm
Oooh, interesting theory about Kendall wearing Lena's dress as a clue. Makes sense. After all, it would have been just as easy to have Kendall say she had her own drycleaning in her car. We know from the Maria/Kendall tire blowout ep that Kendall has spare clothing in her car. (heh) So, Lena's dress would be a subtle clue, what with Lena's coat being a factor later. Props to TPTB, if it pans out that way, since that would be mad subtle. Cool.
kariyaki
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:17 pm
unspoiling this part:
We know from the Maria/Kendall tire blowout ep that Kendall has spare clothing in her car. (heh)
Dirty spare clothing. I doubt Kendall would wear it. If the cashmere sweater in her backseat doesn't still have Mauria's greasy fingerprints all over it, it (and other clothing items) probably have other... uh, stains on it.
regis
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:31 pm
Not that this has anything to do with anything, but it's been bugging me for awhile, and I finally realized who Jamie reminds me of - Kelso from "That 70's Show". That dumb pretty boy way they both talk. Even some of the same vocal mannerisms.
Mystic0
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:40 pm
If the cashmere sweater in her backseat doesn't still have Mauria's greasy fingerprints all over it, it (and other clothing items) probably have other... uh, stains on it.
(snicker) Good point. That scene still makes me laugh just thinking about it.
kariyaki
Feb 7, 2004 @ 9:06 pm
Me too and it's been what, over a year? It's too bad we'll probably never get a Mauria/Kendall scene like that ever again. Talk about two opposing personalities... They were the exact opposite in every way. Weird how Aidan fell for them both.
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 9:22 pm
Yes, blood tests are still required in a few states. It's to check for certain diseases--for instance, in Connecticut they test for syphilis.
Dirty spare clothing. I doubt Kendall would wear it.
Heh. Of course, Kendall was dirt poor at the time. Since her now-ended access to the Cambias fortune, I'm sure she's been taking advantage of dry cleaning services, as clearly she avoids doing laundry as long as possible.
As such, Mystic0's point that it would've made just as much sense, and been easier really, for AMC to write that it was Kendall's own dress.Maureen and Kendall were both outsiders who had a distrust of people and the world in general, and both needed help from Aidan, who's a sucker for that, but otherwise they were very different.
DrCher
Feb 7, 2004 @ 9:31 pm
Me too and it's been what, over a year? It's too bad we'll probably never get a Mauria/Kendall scene like that ever again. Talk about two opposing personalities... They were the exact opposite in every way. Weird how Aidan fell for them both.
Mauria and Kendall had opposing personalities, and Mia has none. Aidan has odd taste in women.
Stewie
Feb 7, 2004 @ 9:49 pm
Did anyone else notice Greenlee in the courtroom after the BIG REVEAL! refer to the baby as Bling?
Since Lena's coat makes Bianca question Lena's involvement in the murder. Bianca may come to believe that Lena is the murderer and is allowing Kendall to take the fall. This could cause a wedge between Lianca, making the contrived Lianca/BAM triangle more plausible.
Mia is also tall enough to where Lena's coat. Maybe Mia letting out crazypants was not an accident. Maybe she killed Assicle and got close to Aiden as a mean of destroying Kendall's defense.
Black Knight
Feb 7, 2004 @ 9:58 pm
Actually, Greenlee was talking about the Cambias estate, not the fake baby, when she said "bling bling". That said, I cracked up because Mystic0 used to call the baby Bling Bling Montgomery a lot and so it seemed like a shoutout.
I doubt Bianca's going to seriously believe that Lena killed Michael, because she knows Lena already had her murder scheme all set up, and if Lena had shot Michael in the middle of planting the poisoned medication, then she would've just taken said poison meds with her and dropped it in the water along with the gun. But Bianca will probably come to the conclusion also that Lena knows more than she's saying. I don't actually think Lena knows much of anything beyond a suspicion that Binks might've killed Michael. This whole bit next week is likely to help push Bianca closer to a realization that she herself killed Michael. If Lena had done it herself or knew who did, she would've told Bianca and the police long ago. The only reason she'd stay silent is if it was Bianca herself. Same basically goes with Kendall insisting that Bianca coming up with another suspect can't help her, which is bogus on its face since that's a huge part of her defense strategy. Bianca isn't stupid and she's going to put all that together eventually.
sweeper
Feb 7, 2004 @ 10:11 pm
Maybe Mia letting out crazypants was not an accident. Maybe she killed Assicle and got close to Aiden as a mean of destroying Kendall's defense.
Except that would mean she's smart.
Mystic0
Feb 7, 2004 @ 11:15 pm
That said, I cracked up because Mystic0 used to call the baby Bling Bling Montgomery a lot and so it seemed like a shoutout.
Ah, yes. The innocent days before I was Kinksed. Now, I'm all about the Kendall Jr.
What are little Kendall's chances anyway? Could possibly *both* Bianca and Babe have babies that live? On AMC??? I figure poor Leora getting iced insures at least one baby will make it, but two? And if one must die, who would be the better choice SL wise (or more desirable DOA to TPTB) to off? I fear for little Kendall Jr. if only one baby will make it. There's a lot of different reasons to kill her over Babe's baby. The most paranoid being that gay parenting might scare the suits and the more likely being torturing Bianca is the coin of the realm. Ever since they figured out Eden does angsty drama well, they might think she'd be better suited to do a dead baby SL than the more untested Alexa.
Nevermind, maybe AMC will let both babies live. It could happen, right? I really don't wanna see the Kinks lovechild die. I don't think I could take it, man.
Edited because posts should make sense.
SkiffyPup
Feb 7, 2004 @ 11:16 pm
AMC's hardcore spoiler clampdown as told by Jill Larson. Scroll down and click on the Cambiasface with the questionmark overlay to read it:
http://www.jilllarson.com/
CKD
Feb 7, 2004 @ 11:24 pm
I would think that after the time it took to change clothes, call Boyd to come over, stuff Mikey in a bag and get him to the meatpacking plant to hang up, the body wouldn't have been dripping blood anymore. It doesn't take long for blood to congeal. Actually, it wasn't even apparent that he'd been shot, IIRC--there wasn't any obvious huge bloodstain on his shirt, and we had to wait for the autopsy to find out that he'd died from a gunshot. In other words, he died instantly, therefore not much blood after the initial spatter of the exit wound to deal with.
Right, that was my point: how can Kendall's shoe have a
drop of blood on it - as opposed to a smear - if she didn't kill him? It's simply not possible, not unless Michael were still bleeding when he was hung and the chances of that are pretty slim.
I don't think TIIC pay attention to things like blood spatter, but it's something I noticed.
katesus7
Feb 7, 2004 @ 11:42 pm
Hasn't this been a fabulous week without Krystal and Babe? I'm just saying!
I KNEW there was some reason I loved this week of AMC so much; and this was exactly the reason. No Boobe or Mama Boobe. Ah, it's like a glimpse of the show I want to watch. I'm sure McTrash will have them front and center all next week to make up for it. Of course, any and all scenes involving Maggie and Jamie were FF'ed right out the window. God love that VCR.
Wow. Erica and Bianca's scenes on Friday blew me away. Erica didn't react how I expected her to. I expected her to jump on the whole Kendall being at the clinic, and talking to Bianca aspect, and never letting go of that fact, but Bianca SEEMED to defuse that aspect of it rather quickly. And Erica going into the kitchen for tea, and the Mona remark? Damn, I'm actually interested, scared, and am going to be glued to my TV to see the fall-out from this.
Alicia...wow, if there was any doubt to my total adoration of her character, it went right out the window. Her absolute hurt, fear, vulnerability, and anger when she lit into Ryan just tore into me. I don't know if she did it to push him away because she thinks her life is ruined, or if she really meant it, but she had me convinced. Her voice, wow, the way it sounds like she's about to burst into tears without ever doing it? More, please.
Ryan? blech. Whatever. Jack? Should've ripped into Greenlee way more than he did. Although he had a couple of good lines in his tirade. But, although she showed a few seconds of remorse and pity, in the end it was all. about. her. When she wanted to hurl out the window, all I could muster was a huge roll of my eyes. It was so obvious that she just wanted pity, and had no real feelings about being "wrong", it was just sickening to me.
Would someone please explain to me why the fact that Bianca was pregnant, Kendall was trying to both cover for her and save her butt at her murder trial have to do with Greenlee? Why should she have been in the know and not, well, Mia? Simone? Half of Pine Valley?
The best part of Friday's episode? Bianca not being able to wait for Erica to get back with the tea, to get back to Kendall. She just wanted to go back and comfort, and get comfort from, her girlfrie...er, sister. I really should just make that whole phrase a macro.
Good episode. Good week. I'm looking forward to Monday.
katesus7
Feb 7, 2004 @ 11:43 pm
wow, I didn't realize how easy it is to double post. Sorry.
bonobochick
Feb 8, 2004 @ 12:25 am
Spoilers for Feb 9-13 from Soapsite.com
Monday
Erica removes Jack's engagement ring.
Erica takes a sip of brandy.
Greenlee manipulates Kendall.
Greenlee fuels Kendall's fears that Ryan plotted against her.
Tad accuses Adam and David of murder.
Tad and David blackmail Adam into dropping the charges against Jamie and Maggie.
Alan suffers a heart attack.
Tuesday
Erica hires Tad to look into her actions on the night of Michael's murder.
Bianca recognizes Lena's coat.
Mary sees Babe stealing money from the Chandler safe.
Simone discovers Tad has been sleeping with both Liza and Krystal.
Wednesday
Liza and Krystal spar over Tad.
Jamie assumes Paul is blackmailing Babe.
JR sees the money in Babe's purse.
Ryan declares his love for Kendall.
Greenlee falls into an abandoned mineshaft.
Bianca thinks her water has broken.
Thursday
Kendall returns Ryan's engagement ring.
David rushes Bianca to the hospital.
Erica refuses to see Bianca.
Babe heads to Llanview to convince Paul to help her.
Greenlee fears no one will rescue her from the abandoned mineshaft.
Friday
Erica does not want to discuss Bianca's pregnancy.
Kendall tells her mother she is going to accept the plea bargain.
Ryan tosses his ring into the mine shaft, then covers its hole with a boulder.
Maria and Edmund exchange Valentine's Day gifts.
Black Knight
Feb 8, 2004 @ 4:14 am
Right, that was my point: how can Kendall's shoe have a drop of blood on it - as opposed to a smear - if she didn't kill him? It's simply not possible, not unless Michael were still bleeding when he was hung and the chances of that are pretty slim.
It is possible, that's what I was trying to explain. She doesn't have to be the shooter to get splattered with blood--heck, she might've been closer to Michael than the shooter was, for all we know the shooter didn't get hit with a single drop of blood. Kendall just needed to be the right distance from Michael so that the initial spurt of blood from the gunshot wound wouldn't have hit her dress, but a spot still land on her shoe. Or maybe her dress did get splattered with blood also. She was wearing a different dress in Vegas, after all. The only reason I'm thinking her dress didn't get any blood on it is because she apparently wore the same shoes after she changed out of her commando black outfit and she would've been more likely to make that boneheaded maneuver if her dress had no blood on it, not realizing that the blood would've traveled in a downward arc.
I expected her to jump on the whole Kendall being at the clinic, and talking to Bianca aspect, and never letting go of that fact, but Bianca SEEMED to defuse that aspect of it rather quickly.
I think Erica let it go for now because her pregnancy with Kendall is at the heart of her feelings about Bianca's decision. She would assume that Kendall used her own experience, which of course is tied to Erica's experience, in talking Bianca out of an abortion. As such, she can't bring herself to talk about Kendall at the clinic right now. Plus Bianca was insisting that Kendall hadn't talked her out of anything and so Erica probably believes that Bianca is either shielding Kendall or is too naive to understand how Kendall must have manipulated her.
I rewatched the last Erica/Bianca scene, and I don't think I will ever watch the last part--where Erica puts her hand on Bianca's face--again. The dialogue and delivery are just too creepy. She was making that speech, bringing up how Bianca almost died at birth and that she's always been extra precious to Erica, and both times I watched it I was just waiting for the other penny to drop. It doesn't sound so much like an affirmation of love as it does an eulogy. Bianca's no longer the golden child. I'd say she's no longer the favorite, except Erica can't be thrilled with Kendall either and it doesn't seem like "favorite" is an applicable term anymore at all. But Bianca's probably in deeper shit than Kendall with Mommie Dearest, because Bianca's the one who disappointed Erica's expectations. Erica expected Kendall's opinion on the pregnancy and abortion to be what it was, but she expected Bianca to have the same feelings as herself and to do what Erica thought best. Erica's talking about how Kendall felt like a tumor inside her and Bianca's talking about what a huge hole in her life there'd be without her baby and Kendall. They couldn't be any further apart if they tried.
Unsurprisingly, Greenlee's the one who has the same reaction as Erica's. Jack told her that Bianca couldn't go through with the abortion and Greenlee couldn't understand. (And Jack wisely didn't waste any breath trying to explain.) Like Erica, Greenlee lacks the ability to empathize, to understand viewpoints other than her own. It's one of the ways she's emotionally stunted. For instance, I did give Greens props for putting aside Jack's criticism of her long enough to ask how she'd hurt Bianca (though she disappointed me by reverting right back to MeMeMe mode afterwards), but at the same time I had to roll my eyes also. Bianca loves Kendall. Greenlee saw Bianca rush to Kendall and hug her in the courtroom. Greenlee had just had it explained to her--an explanation that should have been unnecessary in the first place--that Kendall was facing jail or death row. What, she doesn't think it would hurt Bianca if Kendall was executed? Sigh. She just really sucks at understanding emotional connections, including the fact that you have to build relationships, especially with those you have a lousy track record with. Why on earth would Bianca tell her anything? The info would have been all too likely either flung in Erica's face during some argument, or used to blackmail ownership of Fusion from Kendall.
SkiffyPup
Feb 8, 2004 @ 11:01 am
Just in time to avoid PToS- We haven't discussed ratings in awhile.
Ratings for the Week January 26-30, 2004
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1. Y&R 4.9/16 (+.3)
2. DAYS 3.9/12 (+.3)
3. B&B 3.8/12 (+.3)
4. GH 3.4/10 (+.3)
5. ATWT 3.2/10 (same)
5 OLTL 3.2/10 (+.4)
5 AMC 3.2/10 (+.4)
Such a good week for all soaps. Wonder why that is? And !JesusMaryandJoseph! Y&R is nearly at 5.0. Wow. Poor AMC finally has a huge increase and cannot get out of the #5 spot. BWAH!
calgrrl
Feb 8, 2004 @ 11:25 am
So, my mom comes over and she's all, do you have to watch your gay show right now?
Funny, coz I was trying to catch up on the Kinks moments of the week...She din't find it so gay when I watched the Maggie Kissault! I love it when moms catch the subtext-that's-rapidly-becoming-text.
Mystic0
Feb 8, 2004 @ 11:34 am
It doesn't sound so much like an affirmation of love as it does an eulogy. Bianca's no longer the golden child.
It's probably some left over brain residue, but I was ambling down the same path. Looks like the Kane dynamics are in for a real shake-up. It will probably suck mightily for Bianca to suffer her mother's ire but I'm kinda glad for it. Maybe it will finally break their co-dependant pattern for good. Thing is, Bianca still has several major relationships that offer support (most notably her new bond with Kendall) but what of Erica? She's used Bianca as focal point and crutch for her self image for so long, I'm interested in seeing Erica minus that, especially if she feels so betrayed that she kicks Jack (and David) to the curb. Wow, Erica with no self affirming man
and with no 'perfect' daughter? I've never really seen Erica without these crutches.
And not going to Bianca at the hospital? That's some major shit, even Myrtle might chew on Erica's ass about that. I can't even see Opal being too supportive of that little pettiness. Not that Erica's support system would turn on Erica but I don't think they'll encourage her way of thinking, either. Despite the stroke I'm undoubtedly going to have watching Erica be a complete bitch, I'm looking forward to seeing it all play out.
ETA:
So, my mom comes over and she's all, do you have to watch your gay show right now?
So Kinks set off your mom's gaydar? Bwah! My grams just keeps mumbling that Kinks are acting like "hill people". Hee! She's an old perv so I think it's probably a compliment. At least she's always grinning when she says it...
SkiffyPup
Feb 8, 2004 @ 12:19 pm
Okay, we're officially sane. (I had been wondering.)
Momma4th, CalgrrlMom, and GramMystic0 all see the blatantly textual Kinks. ("hill people"? Tee hee! love that, Mystic0!) I'd ask SkiffyBitch, but she won't watch the show.