Sappy
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:25 pm
Monday
Erica removes Jack's engagement ring; Greenlee fuels Kendall's fears that Ryan plotted against her; Tad and David blackmail Adam into dropping the charges against Jamie and Maggie; Alan suffers a heart attack.
Tuesday
Erica hires Tad to look into her actions on the night of Michael's murder; Bianca recognizes Lena's coat; Mary sees Babe stealing money from the Chandler safe; Simone discovers Tad has been sleeping with both Liza and Krystal.
Wednesday
Liza and Krystal spar over Tad; Jamie assumes Paul is blackmailing Babe; JR sees the money in Babe's purse; Ryan declares his love for Kendall; Greenlee falls into an abandoned mineshaft; Bianca thinks her water has broken.
Thursday
Kendall returns Ryan's engagement ring; David rushes Bianca to the hospital; Erica refuses to see Bianca; Babe heads to Llanview to convince Paul to help her; Greenlee fears no one will rescue her from the abandoned mineshaft.
Friday
Erica does not want to discuss Bianca's pregnancy; Kendall tells her mother she is going to accept the plea bargain; Ryan tosses his ring into the mine shaft, then covers its hole with a boulder; Maria and Edmund exchange Valentine's Day gifts.
From soapnet poster:
Bianca will feel that there is something wrong with her pregnancy. She calls David. David rushes her to the hospital. She will be okay.
The second damsel is Greenlee. Greenlee will go to the area that she last saw Leo. She falls off of the cliff and lands in a cave.
TaliaKero
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:28 pm
Finally got to see yesterday's ep, and wow. Just wow. I thought no one could break my heart like Binks has, but Kendall's lost look in the courtroom just about did me in.
On a shallower note: I'm watching Survivor: All-Stars now and I'm feeling this strange attraction for Jerri. I hated her with a fiery passion the first time around, but since this one's started I've found myself rooting for her and defending her to other people. It was driving me crazy until last night I realized what it was. She reminds me of Kendall. It's the hair. I even found myself thinking of her as Kendall while I was watching it. Sad. AMC is slowly taking over my life.
Mystic0
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:32 pm
Cripes, I get here and there's three pages of stuff to Bwah! and Word! Stupid need for sleep! Gah! I guess I'll just have to Cliff Note my comments:
onewomanshow, bwah! I wish you luck on your new ministry and that *shudder*gets me everytime. Please never go away.
Black Knight, word on all your Kinks findings. There were many, many yummy moments but, even in the cold light of a new day, I'm still reeling on the step up to Kendall's back thing. My new mission in life is to one day find Eden and get her tanked enough to admit she was about to molest Luscious right then and there, before she caught herself. Yowza. Praise Pervy!
Are we to take Kryan's relationship seriously at all?
I hope to hell not, he blows as a fiance. He kissed Greens after he became engaged and to make friendship pacts with someone who openly admits they are your future wife's enemy is shitty behavior. I'm convinced that Kendall's 'love' for Ryan is just another of Kendall's self destructive patterns.
Hoping today is another rip into Greenlee day.
Call me crazy, but I'm real curious to see how Greenlee will react now. She's gotten pretty much all the pieces of the puzzle and even she's got to realize she's fucked up big. I can't think of anything she can do to make it better, either. Plus she's out of bridges to burn, so what is she going to do now?
Oh yeah, she's gonna drop down a mine shaft. Hee! I hope she was pushed.
regis
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:33 pm
I caught a good Jack moment. After the whole dress ripping incident, while Bianca was standing with Kendall, he pushed up the dress on Kendall's shoulder and tucked his jacket up on her in a completely non-creepy way.
Ah yes, but did you see HOW her dress fell off her shoulder? It was Bianca. She put her hand on Kendall's shoulder as she walked over to her other side, and her hand brushed the dress off. Then Jack pushes it back up.
Sending this through the Kinks filter: As Bianca brushes Kendall's dress off her shoulder, in her head she says "here, let me strip you naked so we can get closer", but Uncle Jack, the voice of reason, in his head says "oh no you don't, you pervy girls!" as he pushes the dress back up. Yep, Jack knows! And he's made it his job to keep them in line.
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:36 pm
Exeter has a heart attack? Awww. I like him! Methinks this is a story device to get the trial delayed further.
So Lena was the one in the bushes that night, or someone stole her coat. Interesting. I didn't see that one coming.
Thank goodness the baby's all right. (I still can't believe I'm typing things like that. Damn you, Kinks, for getting me on board with the baby.) And ooooo, Erica's being the bitch mother from hell. Her daughter's in the hospital and Erica won't go see her?
I'm bizarrely amused by Frankenbrow all unknowingly sealing Greens in the mineshaft. She's such a pariah it's going to take forever for anyone to notice she's disappeared. Jack's probably the only one who gives a shit right now and he'll be too busy with the Kane Women.TaliaKero, Jerri redeemed herself on The Surreal Life last year. I think she played up the bitchiness for show on the first go-round of Survivor. [/OT]
Sending this through the Kinks filter: As Bianca brushes Kendall's dress off her shoulder, in her head she says "here, let me strip you naked so we can get closer", but Uncle Jack, the voice of reason, in his head says "oh no you don't, you pervy girls!" as he pushes the dress back up. Yep, Jack knows! And he's made it his job to keep them in line.
Bwah! Brilliant use of the Pervy filter,
regis. It does seem like Bianca's lost almost all restraint and decorum where Kendall's concerned. Lena had to stop her from yanking Kendall off the stand (in hindsight, Lena should've let her do it, Kendall would've been saved from committing perjury), she was standing so close to Kendall that Erica noticed and called her away, she totally went in for a kiss after Kendall left the stand that was averted only at the very last second, she almost jumped the barrier to take Kendall in her arms after the Boyd-reveal, and on and on. I actually missed Bianca knocking Kendall's dress off her shoulder--hee, something to look for on my next rewatch. But I still crack up at the Kinks/Lena moment when Kendall walks over to Bianca while she's standing with Lena, and they give each other a burning look that Lena sees. Lena's face is all "Oooooo-kay, I can see that you two want to be with each other, so I'll get out of the way". Hee.
Wooda
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:43 pm
Mirashima, you're the only other person with a bit of a soft spot for Greenlee, and I appreciate it. It's hard being the only one, since I'm more instinctual than logical about it, I realize! More on that in a minute.
Erica . Was. Amazing. Can't wait to see today's show---tonight, really. I have a love-hate thing about Erica, but Lucci's acting riveted me through the whole show yesterday. I think she's best when she downplays it, and we can see the numbness, the confusing, frightening thoughts that make her just shut down, as if she's afraid she'll explode if she gets too close to the truth. Really, the core actors now are Susan, Alicia, Eden and Rebecca, they never disappoint. And I'm not a Kinkser but...oh god yesterday was all Kinks, wasn't it? Hee. "Let's run away to a beach together, it'll just be the three of us." Afterthought: "Then you can call Ryan to join us when it's safe." No! Don't call Ryan! Never!
Back to Kanes and Greenlee. I still think they should have told Greenlee, because she goes off her rockers when she feels isolated and misunderstood, you know what I mean? Same as Kendall. I have a soft spot for misfits and pariahs, even when their ideas about a situation are wrong, because Greenlee, and Kendall in the past when she was a misfit/pariah, is someone who doesn't conform to people's moral conventions---they're both a little wild--- and won't just be quiet because people tell her to. I empathized with Kendall when she first returned and obsessed over Erica's love, and couldn't seem to decide whether to make Erica love her or just get her attention even in hatred, and when Kendall was always falsely accused and misunderstood. I just recoiled from Erica's unmaternal arrogance. "I'm a Kane, you never will be! Come here Bianca, only daughter I love." And it was disgusting when Ryan left her, instead of understanding her. He was pompous then, and he's pompous now. (As we see by the preview, he'll talk down to her again when she becomes understandably paranoid he's in cahoots with Greenlee. He's such a tool.) I don't understand why Kendall insists on being with him. There's Aiden. There's...David! Hm! There's Binks!
I think Greenlee would have been able to handle it if told the truth, and that she turned on Kendall after Kendall so clearly seemed to turn on her, without giving her any indication why. As for becoming vicious when people don't accept her sincere apology, did she ever. But she was also losing it. In the "logic" of feeling completely outcast by everyone she cares about, and having had everyone rant at her, I don't blame her for losing control. It wasn't right, it was selfish and catastrophic, but she was crashing and burning. You don't mess with Kane women, but you don't mess with Greenlee, either, without expecting something stormy to happen. Greenlee was showing a glimmer of remorse yesterday, I agree, because she truly didn't seem to understand the tragic importance of what she'd started, and how it really did mean death for Kendall (duh Greenlee! Duh! ) as well as how it had affected an innocent like Bianca. (Binks is innocent, but I agree with a couple posters here, she should have told sooner so Kendall didn't have to go through all of this and deal with Erica's stubborn hysteria on her own.) Greenlee will have to pay for what she's done, if she ever really can, but I hope one or two characters who care for her at least acknowledge that cutting her out as long as they did was rather stupid and hurtful, and that their choices helped create a monster, along with Greenlee's own serious character flaws. She'll be better if people try to understand her. If they continue to treat her like a pariah, though, forget it, she's the new Kendall. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Her badness doesn't come from a vaccuum, any more than Kendall's did when she was the pariah.
Hasn't this been a fabulous week without Krystal and Babe? I'm just saying!
Mystic0
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:43 pm
Why, Erica? Why can't you ever let me like you??? What a bitch, and she wonders why no one ever tells her anything. I wish she would get stuck in the mineshaft with Greenlee. They deserve each other. Mirashima, you're the only other person with a bit of a soft spot for Greenlee, and I appreciate it.
It's probably *really* hard to tell but I'm a member of that club, too. Mostly because Rebecca somehow sells Greenlee's actions so well that it all seems in character and makes sense. If they had a lesser actress playing Greens, I'd actively hate the character. Plus, I just have a thing for screw ups. ;)
TaliaKero
Feb 6, 2004 @ 12:51 pm
Hasn't this been a fabulous week without Krystal and Babe? I'm just saying!
WORD. That's another reason I don't mind having this trial stretch out a little longer. More Kinks for us!!
[OT]
Jerri redeemed herself on The Surreal Life last year. I think she played up the bitchiness for show on the first go-round of Survivor.
That's what my mom said,
Black Knight. So obviously my subconcious recognized this and that's why I like her. It has nothing to do with her Kendall hair at all. Whew. I think I was just pulled back from the edge of complete and total obsession.
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 1:06 pm
I still think they should have told Greenlee, because she goes off her rockers when she feels isolated and misunderstood, you know what I mean?
I do get that, but see, the thing for me is, Greenlee's been such an idiot. In case she's missed it, this was a murder investigation. If anyone had told her anything, she would've been an accessory. Kendall's done as best she can throughout to try to involve as few people as possible, and tell them as little as possible. Yes, a lot of other people knew what was going on, but only in indirect ways. For instance, Jack stopped Kendall and Bianca from telling him the details of their pregnancy scam. Bianca has been very careful in what she asks when. They've all had a pretty good code of silence, trying to keep themselves as in the dark as possible about what everyone else was up to "that night". This code wasn't discussed in concert with each other or in advance--they all just utilized plain ol' common sense, even people like Erica who aren't known for that quality. I just really have no sympathy for Greenlee because she was so completely dense to not notice that
it's a murder investigation in which every single person she supposedly cares about are involved up to their eyeballs, and likely one of those people is the one who killed Michael, the guy who raped the cousin Greenlee's developed this sudden caring for.
That said, I also agree with another poster that a large part of the reason why no one told Greenlee anything is because they all knew that Greenlee would use the information to her own advantage the first opportunity that came along or the first time she got aggravated at someone involved in the case. Just like she did when she found out that Bianca was gay, just like she did when she found out that Carloser had that prior relationship with the Laceys buyer, and so on.
If Greenlee wants trust, she has to earn it first. She lost any chance she had of Kendall trusting her when Kendall came back from Vegas and Greenlee told her that she'd support her...if Kendall did what she wanted. Conditional support--exactly the sort of thing that would inspire trust in Kendall. And if Greenlee
had given Kendall unconditional support...then Kendall would've done what friends should do for friends, and kept Greenlee out of it anyway. I do understand Greenlee's deep-seated insecurities and how it kept her from noticing what was best for her, but at the same time, I really loved when Jack told her that it wasn't about her. And she just practically sent a woman to death row because she couldn't see past her own nose.
kariyaki
Feb 6, 2004 @ 1:29 pm
Ugh, did I see that right? Fucking Maurmund is on. Talking about their invisible child, how big of them.
When Greenlee was threatening to throw herself out the window, was anyone else thinking, "Dammit! Right window, wrong Fusion Troll."
Luciaphile
Feb 6, 2004 @ 1:36 pm
I do get that, but see, the thing for me is, Greenlee's been such an idiot. In case she's missed it, this was a murder investigation.
Word. I mean, think about it. She's an adult. She's supposed to be reasonably intelligent. And yet yesterday, when Jack and Ryan brought up (separately, I might add) the fact that it's a capital case and hey, Kendall could very well end up dead or doing a long stretch of hard time, she seemed surprised--like it had never occurred to her before.
If one of Chesty's brood had been the character in question, that reaction would have been excusable. When you're old enough to be a CEO, vote, and are about to get a break on your auto insurance rates, it's not.
kariyaki
Feb 6, 2004 @ 1:49 pm
Hey, it's Sean again. Drawn to the scene where Tad insists that the murderer is in that room, of course he's pointing to David and Adam. Is anybody else still wondering what Sean was doing hanging out in his patrol car by the Ass Condo, so that Smoan could shoot him? I just keep coming up with these crackpot theories of who the real killer is. Today it's Sean. Yesterday, with Reggie's insistence that he could prove Kendall's innocence and the offhand mention of his long-missing girlfriend a few weeks back had me thinking that Joanie had done it. I really wish this would hurry up and play itself out.
mad_typist
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:06 pm
When Greenlee was threatening to throw herself out the window, was anyone else thinking, "Dammit! Right window, wrong Fusion Troll."
Actually, I was thinking, "Hey, who wants to die alone, Greens? I've got a 110 lb sack of ignorant slut you can take with you on your trip down."
Mwahahaha.
I'm a bad, bad person, because I keep hoping against hope that Bianca's baby doesn't make it.
Mystic0
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:13 pm
Erica, there are no words for how vile you are. Nothing says Great Mother better than being completely self absorbed about your daughter's (who is still just a teenager, by the way) seriously fucked up situation. She's your kid, idiot. Part of being a mother is surrendering your over inflated self importance and putting your kid first, twit. Grrrr! Putting aside your worst mother ever status, I can't see how you can get angry at Jack and keep a straight face! Don't you remember 'protecting' Jack from knowing about Greenlee? Woo, you suck. Grrr...
I think today made it official, Greenlee is sooooo Erica's real daughter.
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:15 pm
Do we have confirmation that Officer Sean's car really was shot up and by Simone? (I haven't seen today's ep yet.) Because I'm really doubting Simone's story. As another poster pointed out, why would Michael have been tormenting her otherwise? I'm wondering if my theory that she accidentally shot Adam and thought she had accidentally shot Michael might be true after all. Didn't she apologize to Michael in her nightmare?
There are so many people involved that I really want AMC to just do a straight half-hour or so--not individual flashbacks, not listening to eight different people telling their stories one at a time, possibly interrupting each other--of just what happened that night, period. Let's see all the action in order so that we know who was there when and who did what when. That said,
I think we must be close, because I noticed the spoiler for next Friday says that Kendall tells Erica that she's going to accept the plea bargain. Yay, we've got the light at the end of the tunnel. Bianca's going to rush in just as Kendall's entering her guilty plea, no doubt. If Kendall was going to risk the jury, I'd guess this would last all the way through a verdict and then a sentencing phase and Kendall wouldn't be saved until she was already in a cell on death row.Erica, there are no words for how vile you are.
I better take blood pressure meds before I sneak into the conference room to watch today, huh? Seriously, I sort of don't mind that she's being a bitch about it. I mean, I
do mind, but I'm always more squicked out when Erica and Bianca are all close, because the relationship then is too emotionally incestuous on Erica's part. I do not want to have to watch them bond over the baby, their shared rape experiences, whatnot. But then you know I've always been happier when they're estranged.
Of course, if Erica ultimately pulls some sort of baby switch crap and robs Kinks of their first few months with their lovechild, my rage will know no bounds.
mirashima
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:28 pm
mirashima, if you thought Alicia looked heartbreakingly defeated in that ep, wait until you see yesterday's ep today. Kendall's just shell-shocked, man. She couldn't even summon up one nasty word to fling in Greenlee's direction.
I actually got to see the first few minutes today, before being called into work ([Mojo Jojo]Cuurrrses!
Cuuuuurrrses![/Mojo Jojo]). I love that we got a replay of Greenlee's rampage before jumping back into the action. Evil as it was, I'm not sure that that scene will ever get old. I can't even bring myself to tape over yesterday's, and I never save episodes.
In about two hours I'll be free to run home and get back to it. Until then I'll be lurking around here, continuing to be amused by the rest of you.
Oh, but this?
Greenlee falls into an abandoned mineshaft
Good fucking grief. That is all.
Mystic0
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:33 pm
I better take blood pressure meds before I sneak into the conference room to watch today, huh?
I wish I had. What really bugs me is that Erica really is (and has from the start of Voldemort) been in the best position to actually help her daughter (since she's been through the same thing) but she refuses to get past her own skewered agenda. It drives me insane! She refuses to budge from the abortion angle. If she hadn't been screaming her "Abort!" song from the beginning, Bianca would have been comfortable enough to confide in her. But nooooooooo, Erica proves daily that she can't be trusted with anything that doesn't gel with her way of thinking, and has the audacity to get offended when people don't confide in her!
Today was just painful. Seeing Bianca apologize to that twit was just..........grrr. Plus, Erica wouldn't even acknowledge what Bianca was telling her. Then Binks leaves and Erica starts in on chanting her 'Bianca did the wrong thing' mantra. She didn't hear a damn word Bianca said. I'm at a complete loss...
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:33 pm
I'm thinking jobs are really overrated, mirashima. But do be sure to post your impressions after you finally get to watch...
Maybe Rebecca's on vacation? I hope so, because while she's a great actress, I'm not sure I can tolerate days and days of Greens doing soliloquies and wailing.
Imsuperorginal
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:53 pm
This whole Rape Baby SL Reduex has played out better than I thought it would. That said I really really hate Erica. She's a strong bitch meddling in everyone's lives one minute, the next she's a weak little crying girl. Damn pick a personailty and stick with it. And you guys are right Greenlee is being groomed to be the next Erica Kane, so it makes sense she is Jack's daughter cause of his pathetic obbession with the Great Kane.
Not really digging any of the guys on AMC...well except JR and David. I think the writers of AMC have a tendancy to use men to prop up the women or to use men as some romance novel sterotype. I just never felt the men were very organic/real....well as real as a character can be on a soap.
Mystic0
Feb 6, 2004 @ 3:01 pm
Ok, on a non-ranting about Erica note, Kinks! Pervy manages to bring it still, even when they're apart. We get an impassioned "I love her!" from Binky about her GF and much goodness about what Kendall means to Bianca and the hole that would be in her life without her. Sigh.........Kinks.
KerleyQ
Feb 6, 2004 @ 3:28 pm
When Greenlee was threatening to throw herself out the window, was anyone else thinking, "Dammit! Right window, wrong Fusion Troll."
At the very least, I was hoping she'd open the window and accidentally knock some heavy knick knack out the window that would just happen to land smack on the head of a passing by Mia. I figure it'd either kill or or knock some sense into her.
Jack was great today in his scenes with Greenlee, but I wish he'd have laid it out even clearer for her--This is not about you, and my first thought upon finding out that my niece was pregnant and carrying her rapist's child was not "Dear God! I wonder how Greenlee will handle this!!" This was not Jack's, Ryan's, Kendall's or David's secret to tell her. Why does she think she was entitled to this information? And Bianca's pregnancy has no bearing on the fact that, by undermining Kendall's story in court, she could seal Kendall's conviction. Why does no one point this out to her, ever?? Just bugs the shit out of me. And I hope Kendall tells Greenlee where she can stick her apology tomorrow.
God bless Eden, she's bringing the Kinks even when Kendall's not in the scene. She couldn't have sounded anymore like she was talking about her girlfriend if she tried. Pervy has been working overtime lately, hasn't he?
kariyaki
Feb 6, 2004 @ 3:36 pm
I hope Kendall tells Greenlee where she can stick her apology tomorrow.
Er, Monday, you mean. Stinkin' weekends. I'm looking forward to this too. I was thinking of all the bad blood that existed between Kendall and Greenlee that they were able to move past last year but this is completely different. The woman practically handed Kendall over to Death Row personally, not to mention setting in motion Bianca's exposure as the pregnant one. Nobody messes with Binks and escapes Kendall's wrath. Greenlee's toast.
Pervy has been working overtime lately, hasn't he?
I did notice Chip Hayes's name in the credits again today.
eejm
Feb 6, 2004 @ 3:49 pm
I know that different women show at different times in their pregnancies, but why does Bianca barely look pregnant? Shouldn't she be having her baby in late March or early April (or, likely in this month, considering that there HAS to be the "Will the baby survive?" drama)?
Or, perhaps Bianca is going to be pregnant for 15 months, like Ashley was on Y&R...
boris
Feb 6, 2004 @ 4:15 pm
I had to give Jack a big "hell yeah" for his conversation with Greenlee. For starters, she has a horrible track record with the Kanes and would most like use any information about them as ammo. Period. Secondly, she always makes situations all about her (like Erica) without regard to the consequenses. Third, she's only been a member of the family since August and needs to earn some trust before she can expect it. I guess, I just reiterated Jack's points, but he was totally right. Go Jack!
Judging by the previews, Bianca might be backing off the Kinks if she's trying to shove Ryan and Kendall together. And Gah! The pregnancy wardrobe!
mr.simpatico
Feb 6, 2004 @ 4:43 pm
Doesn't it seem in every scene with Greenlee and Jack, whenever she doesn't get her way Greens alway says "then I guess you lied about loving me" mumbo-jumbo. And I loved how Greens brings up Jack's "other child", Reggie, as if her "sister" Lily no longer exists (and maybe she doesn't).
As for Erica, wasn't this how everyone expected she would react. It's always all about HER. Bianca doesn't get to have a life without her. That's partly why she hates Kendall so much - because Bianca loves her. I can easily see Erica blaming Bianca not having the abortion and carrying Voldespawn all on Kendal -as if Bianca had nothing to do with the decision.
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 4:48 pm
Shouldn't she be having her baby in late March or early April (or, likely in this month, considering that there HAS to be the "Will the baby survive?" drama)?
David did confirm Bianca's due date as late March/early April, and Bianca said she was seven months pregnant today. AMC just doesn't want to have to detract from Eden's figure TOO much. ;-)
Well, I see my brief hope for Greenlee went right up in smoke. I was cheering Jack on today. He rocked. "This is about trust!" and so many other on-target lines. Greens was absolutely insufferable in her all-about-me take on things. Jack should have shoved her out the window.
Ryan--whatever. I was rolling my eyes when Maria was fluffing him. How natural it is that Maria would confide in him. It's not like she has any family, or anything. Oh wait...And Edmund really looks like a turtle. Shut up and die.
I found Tad/David/Adam hysterical, especially when David and Adam teamed up against Tad. Tad, you got outsmarted. They are too slippery for you. Another clue for the murder mystery--so Erica had Michael's gun for some reason, and then Adam left with it. Hmmm. Maybe Erica tried to shoot Michael and couldn't bring herself to do it, and that's what she's blocking out. She did tell Lena she didn't think she was capable of shooting someone in cold blood.
Yes, Eden brought the Kinks. And Bianca really tapped right on Erica's sore point with the Kinks dialogue, too. This is at the heart of Erica's feelings about Bianca's pregnancy--had it been up to Erica, Kendall would have been aborted. And she can't see her daughter's pregnancy as anything other than a referendum on her own decision, as well as what her decision would have been if it had been legal at the time. But Erica doesn't want to talk about that, I don't think she even can, it's all buried too deeply for her. (What a shock.)
Mystic0, that said, I actually wasn't bothered by Erica today. We're going to get much much worse later, I'm sure. For Erica, she was in very low-key mode--clearly because at the moment she's deeply sunk in avoiding her feelings, which is a baaaaad sign, of course. So Erica was focusing on the one aspect that she could handle discussing at all, Bianca's lies, except I don't think she's really all that interested in it. The continual "why didn't you tell me"s had something of a perfunctory feel, almost as if it were something to say to avoid the pregnancy itself. She was so relieved when Jack knocked. The lies are not what she's really upset about, not in respect to Bianca (Jack and David will be a different story).
Color me stupid, because I actually thought that Erica
had to some extent acknowledged yesterday that Bianca was pregnant and was only looking for a confirmation from her. I was really rather surprised, and amused, to see the full-scale denial at the start. Props to Bianca for finally pointing out, "You said you could handle the truth" before disrobing (yay, and oink!). And I snickered for some reason at how Erica really gleefully jumped at her idea of "You were going to do what I did! Come back and pretend nothing ever happened!" Yes, if Bianca wasn't going to abort, second best in Erica's mind would be for Bianca to emulate Erica exactly. Does Erica ever get tired of advocating denial and avoidance as the best solution? Bury! Forget! Deny!
Finally, it must be said. Susan, you really did rock today, and I can't imagine AMC without you or your Erica Kane character. But please keep your claw off the lovely Eden's face. Thanks.
kariyaki
Feb 6, 2004 @ 4:50 pm
Doesn't it seem in every scene with Greenlee and Jack, whenever she doesn't get her way Greens alway says "then I guess you lied about loving me" mumbo-jumbo. And I loved how Greens brings up Jack's "other child", Reggie, as if her "sister" Lily no longer exists (and maybe she doesn't).
That's actually pretty consistant with Greenlee's character. That's how her father/daughter relationship with Roger went.
As for Lily not being a factor, it doesn't bother me. Lily isn't like Reggie or Greenlee in Jack's eyes because he never has to worry about her doing something boneheaded like his other kids. She's not in a position to disappoint him, nor is she considered a threat for Jack's affection which is how Greenlee sees Reggie.
Mystic0
Feb 6, 2004 @ 5:32 pm
Judging by the previews, Bianca might be backing off the Kinks if she's trying to shove Ryan and Kendall together.
Nah, I wouldn't worry about that. Kinks has an open relationship. The one ground rule being that Kinks comes first, of course. (suggestive sentence alert!) Binks knows that Kendall (for reasons known only to her) wants Ryan, so she wants Kendall to have what she wants. Binky's sweet like that ;)
And she can't see her daughter's pregnancy as anything other than a referendum on her own decision, as well as what her decision would have been if it had been legal at the time.
Word. Kendallette doesn't stand a chance with grandma, does she?
We're going to get much much worse later, I'm sure.
Crap, Erica's scaring the hell outta me already. I always knew she was off her nut, but the sheer level of her denial and insanity is really coming to light. What the hell is she going to do? Is she going to give Binks the "You're dead to me!" mob speech or something more sinister? If TPTB are pounding in the Erica's a nutjob deal this strongly.....I'm sceered, man. I dug those little flashes on Bianca's face when she'd get smacked by a glimpse of her mother's insanity. She was all,"Ooooookay, um, huh?". Whatever happens now, the ball is firmly in Erica's court. Bianca put all her cards on the table about her regret and her reasonings for the decisions she's made, what Erica's twisted little head will do with it, I dunno.
Yes, Eden brought the Kinks.
And it was lovely. She tried
so hard to make sure Erica knew that Kendall didn't talk her into keeping the baby, not that it will matter to Erica. Psycho. I also give Binky points for giving Jack an 'out' about his knowing she was preggers. Jack should have taken it. The poor bastard has only known what? One day PV time? He doesn't deserve the shitstorm he's about to catch.
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 6:06 pm
The poor bastard has only known what? One day PV time? He doesn't deserve the shitstorm he's about to catch.
And plus Bianca told Jack she would tell Erica once the trial was over. He doesn't know that she changed her mind after Erica tried to kill Kendall. It was nice of Bianca to give Jack the out, but Jack probably figured that since Greenlee knew that he knew, Greens would end up telling Erica at some later date anyway. Bianca doesn't know Jack stupidly told Greenlee about the pregnancy. Which reminds me, I was quite happy to hear Bianca bring up Greenlee today. She was too focused on taking care of Kendall before, and Kendall too shell-shocked, to rip into Greenlee, but it's got to be coming.
Kinks has an open relationship. The one ground rule being that Kinks comes first, of course. (suggestive sentence alert!) Binks knows that Kendall (for reasons known only to her) wants Ryan, so she wants Kendall to have what she wants. Binky's sweet like that ;)
Hee. Yeah, I thought the same thing. I actually swooned some more over Forceful!Bianca in the previews, even though she's pushing the wrong guy. But she's acting based on who she knows Kendall loves and wants, and Bianca will do anything for Kendall. I could watch Bianca being chivalrous and
taking care of Kendall forever. Sigh.
She tried so hard to make sure Erica knew that Kendall didn't talk her into keeping the baby, not that it will matter to Erica.
Yeah, I'm sure Bianca's denial that Kendall had talked her into anything went right in one ear and out the other. When Erica starts really acting out about the pregnancy and complaining about how Bianca's decision is wrong wrong wrong and that Kendall pushed her into it, I hope Bianca tells Erica exactly what Kendall said to her at the clinic, that she told Bianca to do what she had to do. I doubt it'll make a dent in Erica because Erica's got a head of titanium steel, but I'd still like it to be said, anyway. Because while Kendall is a mini-Erica in many ways, there are some crucial differences, and that's one of them. Bianca will probably let Erica beat her up as much as Erica wants, but she won't let Erica trash Kendall to her face. So the sooner Erica starts being a bitch about Kendall's role in all this, the better IMO.
As for what Erica Does Next, likely she'll remember she's got two months to convince Bianca to give the baby up. We've seen her denial in action. If Bianca gives the baby up, then it's still somewhat okay in Erica's warped mind because then Bianca's doing what Erica did, even if it wasn't exactly what Erica would have done if she'd had the abortion option available.
SkiffyPup
Feb 6, 2004 @ 6:32 pm
Bury! Forget! Deny!
BK, HEE! If that tactic doesn't work, Erica makes the other
BFD out of whatever the issue is.
Tuesday- Bianca
recognizes Lena's coatAnd since Bianca's
recall sequence showed that the coat was longer than the arm and hand in it, we know Lena was not wearing it. Who was wearing her dry cleaning this time? Bianca? Erica?I also think Lena cleaned that never before seen dress she lent Kendall during a major closet purge. However that low cut thing got in the car, I am thrilled that Lena had the good sense to select something plunging for Kendall.
Lena is a Kinks enabler! I can see you two want alone time... call me if you need me! Perhaps Lena is only jealous of Maggie because she isn't worthy of the Rack that captivated Pie Balley.
And I'm not a Kinkser but...oh god yesterday was all Kinks, wasn't it? Hee. "Let's run away to a beach together, it'll just be the three of us." Afterthought: "Then you can call Ryan to join us when it's safe." No! Don't call Ryan! Never!
Bianca knows Ryan is Kendall's chosen Kinks-beard! Bianca wants to run away with Kendall and earlier said (to Mags) that it would be great if Lena could come (along)- BWAH! Maggie's
kissault could be interpreted as a lame attempt at auditioning for the beard role for Bianca. Now,
THAT would be fucking hilarious.
Mystic0
Feb 6, 2004 @ 6:38 pm
She was too focused on taking care of Kendall before, and Kendall too shell-shocked, to rip into Greenlee, but it's got to be coming.
Oh, you know it! Greens will have it coming at her from all directions. I'm really wondering where McT is going with Greens. She'll either have to come up with one hell of a redemption or she's using all this to spiral Greenlee into a truly evil bitch villian. I'm looking forward to the Kenlee showdown Monday (curse you, weekends!). Kendall probably has one helluva head of steam built up. She lost her man and is facing prison all because of Greens. Look out, Greenlee!
I actually swooned some more over Forceful!Bianca in the previews, even though she's pushing the wrong guy.
Hee! She did seem rather fiesty. Poor kid, there's only so much she can do to help Kendall, so god help Ryan if Binks perceives him as being a problem or a detriment to Kendall's happiness. She'll go after him with both barrels. "So Kendall yelled at you and accused you of shit? Tough! Go fix it
now!!!"
I could watch Bianca being chivalrous and taking care of Kendall forever. Sigh.
I'll take a double order of
that! Mm-hmm. *rowr*
So the sooner Erica starts being a bitch about Kendall's role in all this, the better IMO.
Ooh, good point! Erica better not test Bianca on that front. Mmm, the glorious smackdown!
As for what Erica Does Next, likely she'll remember she's got two months to convince Bianca to give the baby up.
Great, just friggin' great. I don't know if I can take two months of Erica nipping at Bianca's heels about adoption. Grrr... I'm gonna lose it. Maybe Kendall will knock Erica senseless. I don't see her taking it too kindly if Erica's pressuring Binks about getting rid of their lovechild. Kendall's an absolute bear when it comes to messing with the Binkster or their baby. An Erica smackdown by Kinks is almost insured! Whee!
TheCustomOfLife
Feb 6, 2004 @ 6:44 pm
I just finished watching the Mona Kane funeral episode. All the flashbacks were very powerful, and they did a good job of incorporating everyone to speak at her funeral. The final scene did it for me: the flashback to Mona in the hospital, and Erica telling her she loved her, then Erica grabs the coffin and starts wailing. I'm shocked Susan Lucci didn't win an Emmy for that.
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 6:48 pm
Lena is a Kinks enabler! I can see you two want alone time... call me if you need me! Perhaps Lena is only jealous of Maggie because she isn't worthy of the Rack that captivated Pie Balley.
Bwah,
SkiffyPup. Kendall does sign Lena's paychecks, after all. Plus Kendall is willing to share Bianca--so long as Kinks comes first, hee--while Maggie isn't. Oh, and
kissault? Hee!
Good point about
why the coat was longer than the arm, in which case Lena certainly wasn't the one wearing her coat. Here I'd figured that AMC was just being really lame, trying to hide the hand holding the gun, but this would actually explain why. I wonder if Lena's coat could possibly be the "it" that Bianca's looking for. I know the "it" might just be metaphorical for the missing pieces of Bianca's memory, but in that case wouldn't First Evil Assicle just say "try to remember" or some shit instead of "find it find it find it"?I don't know if I can take two months of Erica nipping at Bianca's heels about adoption.
Fortunately I doubt that AMC will actually wait until late March for Bianca to give birth, so Erica's probably just got a few weeks to be the Most Fervent Spokesperson Ever for adoption. Thank goodness for the rule that all babies must be born during sweeps. And yeah, no way Kendall is going to take kindly to talk of giving
her baby with Bianca up for adoption.
kariyaki
Feb 6, 2004 @ 6:54 pm
If not this month, we'll probably be looking at a stubborn, overdue Assfetus that won't want to come out until May. Given that Erica is its grandmother, I can't say I blame it.
SkiffyPup
Feb 6, 2004 @ 7:10 pm
Yeah, Black Knight. And Lena was against Bianca searching for "it". Now, we know she wouldn't be against that for herself ... or anyone outside of Bianca's loved ones. SO- Lena knows who had her jacket on and is protecting that person. I speculate it is Erica or Bianca- The Kane blackout gene victims.
Oh, and maybe Lena was drycleaning the blood out/ the evidence away after it looked like Kendall would be ... acquitted? But she did it too soon? Hmmm? And maybe that dress she lent kendall had blood on it too before the trip to the cleaners... and it isn't actually hers!
Heathen
Feb 6, 2004 @ 7:34 pm
Nice acting today. Hateful as Greenlee is, Rebecca's great at what she does. And as much as i want to slap the stupid conspiracy theories out of Kendall's mouth, Alicia's awesome. She got me yesterday when her defense crumbled around her. And I even thought Lucci was good, despite finding her an overdone, shrieky actress half the time.
The show's watchable again. If only Krystal and Ryan would disappear...
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 7:39 pm
Given that Erica is its grandmother, I can't say I blame it.
Me neither. Poor Kendall Jr. I'm sure we're going to have to listen to Erica pushing the "legacy of rape will be too hard on the child" angle while pressuring Bianca to give the baby up for adoption, and, of course, we all know who's going to be the one giving her shit over the upcoming years for being a rapist's child. Bianca and Kendall would never tell that child, "You're like your father." Grandma Kane will, just like she's done to Kendall constantly. I'd like to say in advance--Shut UP, Erica.
And Lena was against Bianca searching for "it". Now, we know she wouldn't be against that for herself ... or anyone outside of Bianca's loved ones.
Lena was quite willing to help Bianca figure out her dream and how it could help Kendall...until she found out that Bianca's alibi has a hole in it. She had no idea Bianca had left the penthouse that night. That's when Lena started singing Erica and Kendall's tune of "Leave it alone!" I think she suspects now that Bianca might have killed Michael, and she would rather that someone else go to jail than Bianca. Lena only loves two people--Bianca and her mother. When it comes down to her bottom line, everyone else can go to hell, even Kendall. Frankly I hope Lena's suspicion doesn't become apparent to Bianca, because she won't take kindly to anyone knowingly sacrificing her sister, even for the motive of saving her.
CKD
Feb 6, 2004 @ 7:40 pm
Does no one find the whole coat thing ridiculous? I mean, it was August! Unless the killer feared the gunpowder test, but still.
I'm waiting for Erica to implode but, in the meantime, I'm very much enjoying La Lucci's acting: she's phenomenal when she's understated.
Luciaphile
Feb 6, 2004 @ 7:54 pm
So where exactly does Ryan get off with his "you have 30 seconds to take that back" crap? Yawn.
regis
Feb 6, 2004 @ 8:00 pm
I did notice Chip Hayes's name in the credits again today.
And he was there yesterday too.! I jumped for joy when I saw his name yesterday, and man did he ever deliver on the Kinks! Can't wait to see today's Kinks.
Black Knight
Feb 6, 2004 @ 8:01 pm
It doesn't bother me, CKD--average low for August in Pennsylvania is 64 degrees, so it's likely colder at night. Hee. I can't believe I looked that up.
It's too bad we already used Asshole up on Michael, because Ryan so deserves that title too.
Aut235
Feb 6, 2004 @ 8:24 pm
To me Ryan = the Assinator.
I am so glad that Kendall got rid of him.
Man oh man, this week has been the best with all the Kinks action. Bianca declared her love for Kendall! Erica better not think about stepping between those two.
I wish that Jack would have shoved Greenlee out that window and that Greenlee's body would have squashed Mia's when she hit the ground. Greens better watch herself on Monday. I do love Angry!Kendell, Greens better remember this is the girl that walked around PV with a knife strapped to her thigh.
What was the point of the Edmond/Maria scenes today? They seemed out of place and totally unneccessary.
CKD
Feb 6, 2004 @ 8:43 pm
I went to College in PA, so I know about the weather, but no one was wearing a coat that night, not even Lena when she dumped the gun in the Pine Valley Ocean. I don't know why I care, but I do! *L*
ETA - From Beth at SON:
Bianca questions Lena's part in the Cambias murder.
Watch out for Kinks, Lena!
onlyinPV
Feb 6, 2004 @ 10:14 pm
I must say that for once Lucci did an excellent job. I expected over the top hystrionics, but her deadpan replies and wooden expression were more disturbing than any screaming and fainting. When the doorbell rang and she said "But it might be important" I actually felt a chill. Her face looked 20 years older. For the first time in a very long time, Erica was an interesting and absorbing character instead of a caricature.
boris
Feb 6, 2004 @ 10:40 pm
I thought that Erica looked older for once, too. But it was mainly her neck. I'm rapidly turning into my mother, who judges people's ages by their neck and hands. But she really did look older, especially in contrast to Bianca. I really cracked up at Eden's line delivery of "She's just so calm. It's scary". No shit girl, you know she's just absorbing the shock right now, and the fallout is going to be brutal. Erica's going to Lose. It.
Tell me I'm not the only one who's excited that for maybe a few days we lose the Fugly Purple Monstrosity? And anybody else wearing Lena's coat kills me. Three-fourths of the women on this show are seriously short. Kendall and Mary are closer, but not by much. That sucker probaly drug the ground if Lena wasn't wearing it.
Jack better check the desk for shiny implements. Lord knows Erica can't stab anybody with a proper knife. She needs ceramic scissors for kids.
SkiffyPup
Feb 6, 2004 @ 10:47 pm
Even Erica knows she is fast becoming Mona. I loved that "Mother's words in my mouth" moment today. Lucci's line delivery was excellent without TOO much irony. Just the right attitude there.
Loved the no music choice. Dead silence makes it more powerful and music usually detracts from scenework like this.
jenmarie
Feb 7, 2004 @ 12:25 am
What is it with Greenlee always trashing stuff when she gets mad? She trashed her place after Leo died didn't she? And she trashed her place when she found out about Jack. Then she was trashing Fusion today. She's a grown up, supposedly, and the constant trashing of stuff makes her look very immature. But I suppose that's the purpose.
Whatever happened to the Lily recast that was planned?
Given that Erica is its grandmother, I can't say I blame it.
Me neither. Poor Kendall Jr. I'm sure we're going to have to listen to Erica pushing the "legacy of rape will be too hard on the child" angle while pressuring Bianca to give the baby up for adoption, and, of course, we all know who's going to be the one giving her shit over the upcoming years for being a rapist's child. Bianca and Kendall would never tell that child, "You're like your father." Grandma Kane will, just like she's done to Kendall constantly. I'd like to say in advance--Shut UP, Erica.
Word, and I wouldn't want to leave the comfort and safety of Bianca's womb, knowing that the first thing I'd hear is Erica calling me "That monster's baby."
kariyaki
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:34 am
Greens better remember this is the girl that walked around PV with a knife strapped to her thigh.
Lord knows
I will never forget it...
What is it with Greenlee always trashing stuff when she gets mad? She trashed her place after Leo died didn't she? And she trashed her place when she found out about Jack. Then she was trashing Fusion today. She's a grown up, supposedly, and the constant trashing of stuff makes her look very immature. But I suppose that's the purpose.
Yeah, and it works for character continuity as well.
Whatever happened to the Lily recast that was planned?
I guess they backburnered that plan. Haven't heard a thing one way or the other.
Marabet
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:43 am
I thought that Erica looked older for once, too. But it was mainly her neck. I'm rapidly turning into my mother, who judges people's ages by their neck and hands.
Your mother is wise. A relative of mine who sold makeup for years swears to me that people's hands are a near-infallible indicator of their real age -- much better than their faces. This subject occasionally comes up on the DOOL board, because Deirdre "Marlena" Hall has hands that give away her true age despite having had what must be kick-ass plastic surgery on her face.
Of course, if Erica ultimately pulls some sort of baby switch crap and robs Kinks of their first few months with their lovechild, my rage will know no bounds.
Please, oh PLEASE don't let them have Erica switch/rob someone's baby AGAIN.
jenmarie
Feb 7, 2004 @ 2:00 am
Of course, if Erica ultimately pulls some sort of baby switch crap and robs Kinks of their first few months with their lovechild, my rage will know no bounds.
Please, oh PLEASE don't let them have Erica switch/rob someone's baby AGAIN.
I vaguely remember the last baby switch, and I would like to think that Erica would not be so cruel as do that to Bianca. However, I'm sure Erica would think it would just be for the best. Also I hope Erica is not anywhere near Bianca when she gives birth, since control freak that Erica is, she might think it would be for the best for Bianca to think her baby died.
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