gspiggott
Jan 25, 2004 @ 8:25 pm
It's Uncle Daddy's head bobbing and after a while it's hypnotizing.
Black Knight
Jan 25, 2004 @ 9:13 pm
Okay, a little OT, but aren't Liz and Eden really good friends in real life too? I understand it's acting and they HAVE kissed before, but personally speaking I would be thoroughly grossed out if one of my best friends was (soberly or not) sticking her/his tongue down my throat.
Well, Eden and Olga are also good friends in real life, and don't forget all the fun we were having talking about the fact that Eden asked Olga out to dinner when she first heard that there might be an intimate scene between them. Hee. Point being, it's just kissing, and actors all have to do it, so it's nicer to kiss someone you're on friendly terms with than someone you barely know, I think.
I'm just rolling my eyes at the Maggie-kisses-Bianca followed by Maggie-screws-Jamie spoiler. She's more like her sister than she realizes. It's just sillier here because Maggie's already HAD sex with a guy, one she stated she had "big time" sexual feelings for and said that the sex was good (sure sure). I didn't like it when Frankie went off with JR, but it at least made more sense, given that I got the impression she was a virgin and all. Maggie, OTOH, already knows that she likes guys, the question is just whether she likes girls too. Whatever. Hopefully AMC keeps Bianca in character and has her having the good sense to want to just stay away from the morass. She's been through this before, several times, and she's tired of it. Like Eden said months ago, one of the reasons why Bianca feels Lena is the one is because she's a mature woman who initiated their relationship, she isn't confused or going to change her mind about her sexuality later.Mystic0, it would be fun to see if Kendall would get jealous or not. I honestly don't think she would much--she seems so very comfortable and secure and trusting in Bianca's love for her, and the circumstances of the pregnancy gives them a particular kind of bond that Bianca will never have with anyone else. (Here we go again with the Kinks pervifying even innocent sentences.) It had to be such a huge step for her to get to that point in the first place with Bianca--she's never been able to do it with anyone else in her entire life--that I don't see it being shaken easily. I could see her getting jealous if she felt Bianca was turning to someone else to confide in over her, but Bianca is also very aware of Kendall's insecurities and knows how to handle them. For instance, when she did express some anger at her sister, at the police station, because Kendall stuck to her Vegas story, she also made sure to say that they were still sisters and that she still loved Kendall. I do think Kendall'd get very nasty if someone else tried to restrict her access to Bianca and the baby, not necessarily out of jealousy and insecurity, but just because, well, Bianca's so fundamental to her life and Kendall goes to any lengths to protect who and what she loves. Maggie would not last two seconds if she tried that shit with Kendall.
Can us Kaidan fans take it as a positive sign that Aidan is apparently the one to save Kendall from Erica? It's not Frankenbrow! Who's been playing "hero" ad naseum for months! That HAS to mean something, right?
big kabuki
Jan 25, 2004 @ 9:35 pm
Mia's character is quickly going to hell, my big fantasy? She killed Michael in a stoopid move to secure Aidan from Kendall. Hey, it could work! McTrash devolves (or not) another character and writes her off into the sunset, prison, Pie Balley ocean, take your pick. This fits with the rumors of Amelie's possible exit. Anyone buying this?
I'd really rather it not be Bianca because how fucking much can they do to one character? I know, I know, all the crap Megster finds fit to imagine but the payoff is non-existent for me. We have done the "memory loss to memory recover during a murder trial" once with Bianca, this would be overkill...Oh. Oh my, it is true, Bianca did do it! Word to all those who figured this out months and months and months ago.
big kabuki
Jan 25, 2004 @ 9:37 pm
Damn dirty double post!!!
SkiffyPup
Jan 26, 2004 @ 1:20 am
BK- Eden and Olga are not good friends IRL. They are friendly. But, from what I have read ... they don't know too much about each other.
Indigo Sun
Jan 26, 2004 @ 1:21 am
This thread has permanently installed a pervy filter in my brain. I was listening to some music a couple of days ago and "We Are Family" by Sister Sledge came on. This is the first verse:
Ev'ryone can see we're together
As we walk on by
(FLY!) and we fly just like birds of a feather
I won't tell no lie
(ALL!) all of the people around us they say
Can they be that close
Just let me state for the record
We're giving love in a family dose
I don't think I need to tell you where my mind went. Or how I desparately tried to keep from laughing out loud because there was no way I could explain. And it really doesn't help that the song is actually about sisters. I'll never be able to listen to it the same way again. Ooh, look. The 12:30 sled is early. Lap seat, anyone?
boris
Jan 26, 2004 @ 1:51 am
I'll cop to insomnia and admit that I watched the stupid dream episode from Monday. What I found interesting is that Mikey kept referrering to Bianca and Kendall as Erica's daughters and potential targets, as opposed to just Bianca, which seemed to upset Erica. Erica still had Kendall on the brain, but I'm not entirely sure that she knows what to do what that information, or emotion. Then again, she's a deluded, self-indulgent twit, so I don't know why I'm bothering.
ETA: What's with all the VH1 references? I thought that network was owned by Viacom, which is affiliated with CBS. I wouldn't bother but there were several mentions last week by dayplayers, Greenlee and Boobe.
kariyaki
Jan 26, 2004 @ 1:55 am
And it really doesn't help that the song is actually about sisters.
Actually, I think it's about being as close to your friends as you are with your family but that just may be the way that I'm interpreting it.
jabber
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:07 am
I don't think this has been discussed yet, but Chip Hayes former writer/director/producer of Melrose Place has been doing some writing for AMC lately, although he isn't on contract.
Chip is the breakdown writer on a bunch of episodes, though he's not an actual scriptwriter.
SkiffyPup
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:10 am
Another convert! Let's start a 501c 3 and raise nonprofit cash. I think we have enough sledders for a Kinks Koven, if not two. Indigo... welcome. So a song switches over to Pervy Kinks. I totally see it. I was trying to explain Kinks to a friend and had to give up. The were looking at me strangely. You have to be reading here and hardcore into watching AMC for subtext to get the appeal.
allergic2love
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:22 am
Point being, it's just kissing, and actors all have to do it, so it's nicer to kiss someone you're on friendly terms with than someone you barely know, I think.
I can totally see how that would be the case. First off, I know that this is different because Liz and Eden are actors, but speaking from only personal experience, I have to say that it's weird (and horribly awkward afterwards) to find out what kind of lip gloss your friend uses because you've just made out with them. Kissing acquaintances that you never have to see again...not so much.Reading over this post I just have to say that, dude, I'm a slut.
onewomanshow
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:38 am
Mystic0, it would be fun to see if Kendall would get jealous or not. I honestly don't think she would much--she seems so very comfortable and secure and trusting in Bianca's love for her, and the circumstances of the pregnancy gives them a particular kind of bond that Bianca will never have with anyone else.
I think that Kendall's feelings about having someone usurp her place in Bianca's life and heart would depend heavily upon how Bianca reacted to the interloper. Say, for instance that
Sam is actually revealed to be Molly and once outed as being so, comes to Pine Valley to check in on Bianca and immediately begins blathering on about how guilty she feels about not having been around, starts in with the, "Oh, Binky, sorry we haven't been closer, but that's going to change", and a whole bunch of other blah, blah, blah. . .let'sbondcakes. I believe that if Bianca responded positively to that, and, let's say, agreed to go to Port Charles for a short visit or something like that, Kendall would realize that she and Bianca share a bond that is unlike any other the two share with anyone else. Sooner or later, though, if Bianca sustained the second relationship, Kendall's feelings of low-self worth and fear that no one will ever truly love her as she loves them would come to the fore, and Kendall would become jealous. Which I think could be quite lovely if done right. Not all triangles have to be romantic. *ahem*
Actually, I think it's about being as close to your friends as you are with your family but that just may be the way that I'm interpreting it.
Sister Sledge were actually sisters and the song is meant to be taken literally.
Bwah,
Indigo Sun! How ironic! I've already stated here that I'm a bit of a 70's freak, and last week I was listening to my Pure Disco Vol. 2 CD, and when that song came on I thought of Kinks/Kenlee myself and laughed my ass off.
(ALL!) all of the people around us they say
Can they be that close
Just let me state for the record
We're giving love in a family dose
And this is exactly the part that made me lose my shit! Hee. Ah, Kinks.
ETA:
I've made out with friends of mine, both drunk and sober, and had it not ending up being weird for us later. The only friend that I can't make out with is my bestfriend, and that's because we've been friends our entire lives and he's like a brother to me. So,
I don't necessarily think that it would be weird for Eden and Liz, particularly since they would be actors performing a scene.
CookieOK
Jan 26, 2004 @ 4:39 am
Kariyaki,
Thanks for the warning. I'm a "newbie" here, at least as far as posting goes, so not aware of all the protocol. I'll do better in future.
kariyaki
Jan 26, 2004 @ 4:55 am
You're welcome. Gotta take the newbies under our wings, us old-timers.
Sister Sledge were actually sisters and the song is meant to be taken literally.
Ah. Well, I was never much for song interpretation. When I was growing up, my brother would be all, "I think this song is saying blah blah blah, don't you?" and I'd be all, "I don't know, I just like the guitar in it."
Hallelujah, I've finally caught back up. Now I can participate in the convos more readily, yippee!
Aut235
Jan 26, 2004 @ 9:38 am
I was over at Babynameworld.com and for the fun of it looked up the meaning of Kendall's name. Ironically, the name means: Ruler of the valley.
I just thought that was so appropriate.
karmas bitch
Jan 26, 2004 @ 10:22 am
SFHagood from a couple of pages back
And just because I'm curious: Why would a baby store be selling a faux preggy belly foam pad anyway?
Foam pads are used to help round out the belly so clothes fit better, especially in the first few months when maternity clothes just hang on your body.
Maternity stores use them so pregnant women can wear them while trying on clothes so they can see how the outfit will look 2 months later. They also have bras with padded cups so you can tell if a shirt will fit or will be too tight once the pregnancy boobs show up.
I finally caught up on 2 weeks worth of tapes, last Friday's episode when Erica was reaching out to touch Kendall's belly--CHRIST! what a talon, looked like something out of the crypt keeper!
Dianora
Jan 26, 2004 @ 11:11 am
Apparently Josh Duhamel has been tapped as the LEAD in Disney's next blockbuster, ANTARCTICA. ::sniffle:: Our Joshy's all growed up!
Tad and Liza sleep together? I'm going to go cry in a corner now.
dirksunboy
Jan 26, 2004 @ 11:39 am
Okay, I'm not sure if I should spoiler this, but better safe than sorry:
So, Kelly Monaco's GH character, Sam, is going to turn out to be Bianca's sister, Molly?? I don't have a problem with this concept, since I've always wondered why Bianca never mentions all her OTHER siblings. My problem is since McT and Co. have gone out of their way to let us know that Bianca is 19, her half siblings should be younger--and I don't think Kelly Monaco's character is supposed to be that young, is she???
I'll un-spoil to ask, WHY is Bianca's age always mentioned, but Jamie, JR, and Boobe's are not?? Are we supposed to believe now that JR is OLDER than Bianca?? 'Cause it wasn't so long ago that JR was crushed on Bianca but thought he didn't have a chance because she 'was an older woman'...this was pre-Bianca's coming out, of course.
Black Knight
Jan 26, 2004 @ 12:46 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot about JR's crush on Bianca. When I was re-reading the old transcripts of when Eden's Bianca first came to Pine Valley, Dixie was all encouraging JR (who was going by Junior at the time) to ask Bianca to dance and such. It was another nice little red herring to keep the secret of her sexuality from coming out too fast--a lot of viewers would've been guessing whether she was going to be in a triangle with Leo and Greenlee, or hooking up with JR instead.
Anyway, we all thought during FEM that Bianca had been unofficially SORAS'd--she probably was. But then McTrash showed up and Kendall re-stated her age at that point to be in line with what Bianca's age was when Eden first joined the show. I suppose mostly as a way to make Voldemort seem even worse. It's not because of Maggie because Maggie is supposed to be a year older than Bianca anyway. I do think we're finally past all the childification of Bianca crap. It's sort of like McTrash wanted to have her grow up
again--thanks, dear Megan, but that was done once already at the beginning of FEM and it really wasn't necessary to do all over again.
Anyway,
Kelly Monaco is still just rumor for now. Personally I doubt it's happening.
Sooner or later, though, if Bianca sustained the second relationship, Kendall's feelings of low-self worth and fear that no one will ever truly love her as she loves them would come to the fore, and Kendall would become jealous. Which I think could be quite lovely if done right. Not all triangles have to be romantic. *ahem*
Hee. We may very well see that, but if so, I have a feeling it'll be with Bianca's girlfriends, as opposed to
family. NO, not because of Kinks's SisYay...for once...just more because both Lena and Maggie try to attach themselves to the Binkster as much as possible anyway, while meanwhile Kendall's getting used to coming first with Bianca. Once the murder trial crisis is over, Kendall isn't going to have quite the place of priority that she does now, i.e. taking up pretty much all of Bianca's attention and focus. That may be a bit of an adjustment for Kendall, depending on how things play out. It's not entirely clear, for instance, how much Bianca will turn to Kendall to confide in on an everyday basis--Kendall knows about the pregnancy because she found the baby book, just as Maggie knows because she found the prenatal vitamins and Jack because he put together all the clues. Lena is actually the only one Bianca's told outright, entirely on her own. Not that Bianca doesn't love and trust Kendall, but I think it may well be an issue of Binks again generally feeling more comfortable in the role of reassurer as opposed to reassuree, protector instead of protectee.
karmas bitch
Jan 26, 2004 @ 1:09 pm
dirksunboy asked:
So, Kelly Monaco's GH character, Sam, is going to turn out to be Bianca's sister, Molly?? I don't have a problem with this concept, since I've always wondered why Bianca never mentions all her OTHER siblings. My problem is since McT and Co. have gone out of their way to let us know that Bianca is 19, her half siblings should be younger--and I don't think Kelly Monaco's character is supposed to be that young, is she???
Keeping with the theme of spoiler tagging the speculation:
Molly Montgomery is older than Bianca. Travis was married to Barbara, they had Molly then later divorced. He married Erica, they had Biance. Barbara showed up with a sick Molly, she needed a bone marrow transplant from a family member. Barbara and Travis had another child, a boy.
Mystic0
Jan 26, 2004 @ 2:46 pm
You know, for a filler ep, today gave me two things I love.
One: I forgot just how good Marcy Walker is. In that last scene where she's telling Tad how good they could be, dude, she sold it. I loved Marcy as Eden on Santa Barbara and it was nice to see her not having to be just the frumpy loser in the corner. Krystal and Simone certainly bring the flash but today Liza brought the heart. You go Marcy! Missed ya, girlfriend.
Two: Nobody does subtle "I'm freaking the hell OUT!" better than Eden. She did a great job of showing the exact moment when it really hit home to Bianca that whatever it is that she's repressing, it's some bad shit and she's scared. Then Gollum!Binky returns and she merrily skips to the store for party snacks.
Creepy. I'm sure we'll return to the more blase approach of trying to figure 'it' out but it was nice to have at least one scene where the gravity of what all this could mean was alluded to.
Kendall knows about the pregnancy because she found the baby book
Aw, I loved all their scenes that day. Kendall was cracking me up. Her indignation at the fact that Bianca didn't want to let her in had me rolling. Kendall's 0-to-80 expectations trip me out. She was all "We're cool now! Let me in! We're all square now, I have a right to come in! Why don't you want me in?" Hee! I always love how she perceives any boundary as rejection. Then how she took it upon herself to nose around Binky's stuff. Bwah! I loved when she was incredulously looking at Bianca's textbooks and when she insulted Portia. Of course the best part was her reaction to Bianca's horrible attempts to lie. Her expression was priceless. Even when Kinks aren't pervilicious, I love them.
kariyaki
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:02 pm
I was doing stuff with my cars outside so I was dipping in and out today. I wish I had seen the scene with Liza. Oh well, I'll catch it tonight on SoapNet after school.
The exposition kills me sometimes. Can't they be more imaginitive? For instance, Erica: "After I left the hearing, where Michael Cambias was released..." If I was Bianca, I would have been all, "I know what happened at the hearing, I was THERE! Tell me what happened AFTER that. AFTER!"
Luciaphile
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:36 pm
Okay, a little OT, but aren't Liz and Eden really good friends in real life too? I understand it's acting and they HAVE kissed before, but personally speaking I would be thoroughly grossed out if one of my best friends was (soberly or not) sticking her/his tongue down my throat.
I dunno. Would you think twice if the actors were best friends of the opposite sex? Or if the scene required one of them to be flouncing around a crowded set in nothing but some flimsy undergarments? I seriously doubt most actors give a lot of thought to this stuff. It's a role and they do what's required of them and that's that. Isn't that what acting's all about?
Topic. I am so damn confused. I thought Greenlee was already aware that Binks was preggers and that Kendall was faking. What did I miss? Or are we supposed to pretend we knew this and let Toxic Meg create her crappy drama?
Black Knight
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:42 pm
If I was Bianca, I would have been all, "I know what happened at the hearing, I was THERE! Tell me what happened AFTER that. AFTER!"
I know. I especially love it when someone's telling Bianca what Michael did to her. "Michael raped you." She knows! She was the one who was raped! Duh! In the Ginks boathouse scene, Greenlee had a line like that, something along the lines of, "When you were testifying...about what Michael did to you..." I was rolling my eyes.
She was all "We're cool now! Let me in! We're all square now, I have a right to come in! Why don't you want me in?" Hee! I always love how she perceives any boundary as rejection.
Yup, I loved those two eps too. Kendall's insecurity then made perfect sense though, since she and Bianca were only just starting to bond. And the way Kendall said, "No matter how hard you try, you're a
horrible liar!" cracked me up. It's even funnier when you consider that Kendall ended up teaching Bianca how to lie convincingly enough that she even fooled Kendall, at the boathouse, not to mention outdoing her sister in fast thinking and scheming during the whole gas leak explosion crisis. With a concussion, no less.
I still think Erica's just a red herring. If Erica had killed Michael, Kendall would have freaked the hell out over Erica's testimony. Kendall didn't go through all this crap just to watch the person she's protecting incriminate herself.
Luciaphile, Greenlee is convinced Kendall is faking, but she doesn't know about Bianca being the pregnant one.
Telaryn
Jan 26, 2004 @ 3:45 pm
God I hope the KM/Molly Montgomery spoiler isn't true -- primarily because if one more actor shows up on TFGH with everyone having to pretend they don't look *exactly* like the character they used to play, I'm going to beat my head against the wall and never stop.
(What I'm referring to is the fact that Susan Pratt -- aka Barbara Montgomery -- used to play Annie Logan on TFGH.)
boris
Jan 26, 2004 @ 4:09 pm
It's a boring day when the only thing that interests me is the promo for February sweeps. Hey, it was Eden in a wifebeater! [/shallow].
Just how many times do Jackson and Erica expect people to get worked up about their engagement? They're in double digits by now, right? I would love it if they had a roomful of people monotone "yay" at their happy news.
SFHagood
Jan 26, 2004 @ 4:23 pm
Thanks to karmas bitch, because really I had no idea!
You know, I would love to see Kendall put the big sister smack down on Maggie for all this BAM melodrama kiss and bail crap
I love Marcy Walker! Its about freaking time she had more than 2 minutes of screen time.
So JR is supposed to be younger than Bianca? Huh. That I didn't know.
Black Knight
Jan 26, 2004 @ 4:31 pm
I haven't seen the promo yet--is this a new shot of Eden in a wifebeater or is it from the storm scenes with her and Erica a few months ago? Though actually the latter might be preferable, since AMC's now making Eden wear a pregnancy pouch...sigh. Speaking of Eden's cleavage, did anyone else see Mary Louise Parker's dress last night (which my newspaper this morning awarded "Best Cleavage" to) and think that it's a racier version of Bianca's Vengeance!Dress? Now if AMC could put Bianca in that dress as soon as she's no longer pregnant, I'd be a happy, happy camper. Ahem.
I have to admit, what with all of Erica's engagements, I am rather surprised to realize that her last actual marriage was to Dimitri, what, eight or nine years ago now? Speaking of Dimitri, L&O SVU just replayed the ep in which Michael Nader has a brief role. He looked totally different. I know AMC can never bring back Nader, for excellent and justifiable reason, which makes me quite mad at Nader because I loved Erica/Dimitri.
superdiva80
Jan 26, 2004 @ 4:50 pm
I really liked Erica and Dimitri as well.
Mystic0
Jan 26, 2004 @ 4:53 pm
I still think Erica's just a red herring.
I have less than no clue what-the-hell-ever Erica's involvement is in Mikey's demise. I'd hoped that it was just limited to her and David giving Michael the magic potion. Today Erica told Bianca that Erica has 'lost time' and doesn't remember what all she did that night.
Great. For some reason, Erica telling Binks that got on my nerves but that's probably just because Erica gets on my nerves. Bianca blanking out I can see but Erica suddenly getting another round of PTSD is making me ill. If this turns into All About Erica I'm gonna get cranky. Dammit.
When someone does figure out if that was a new Binky shot in the promo, let me know. It looked like she was having a bad time of it so maybe it was from that scene at Erica's. The shot of Bianca flashed by too quick for me to tell. Bianca's hair is getting long again, I wish I'd noticed if her hair was shorter in the promo.
I wish I had seen the scene with Liza.
I liked it for Liza but I wasn't feeling the Tad love today. Krystal and Tad (Kad?) just bug me so very much. Please get him away from her.
boris
Jan 26, 2004 @ 5:03 pm
It was probably an old promo shot from that scene at Erica's. Most of the shots were stuff we've already seen, with the exception of some "Towering Inferno" crap from GH. I guess I was getting excited for nothing.
I like Marcy Walker too, I just wish she had something to do other than moon over Tad and share filler scenes with Mia. Maybe she could shove Mia out something again. Good times. I'm just tired of the women characters having jack to do but stab each other in the back over men.
Today Erica told Bianca that Erica has 'lost time' and doesn't remember what all she did that night. Great.
I had the same reaction. For fuck's sake, we have one character blanking out about that night, and now we get two? Talk about pulling plot points out of your ass, that one is really too far over the top.
Mystic0
Jan 26, 2004 @ 5:11 pm
Maybe Erica's lying? She seemed a bit casual when talking about something that would seem serious. C'mon, maybe? Please?
kariyaki
Jan 26, 2004 @ 5:13 pm
I loved Erica/Dimitri.
Chiming in on that. Me too. Other than Jack, Dimitri was the only other guy who could hold his own against La Kane and not be overshadowed by her.
Maybe she could shove Mia out something again.
It's been over a year, it's long overdue. I would love nothing better than to see a Mia-shaped crater in some concrete again. Good times, indeed.
Black Knight
Jan 26, 2004 @ 5:29 pm
Kad's perfect for a couple I dislike as much as Krystal/Tad. Props to you, Mystic0.
We've always known that Erica and David did something in addition to the castration potion because of the zillion conversations they've had about "That Other Thing We Did", that Adam and Jack also know about, plus David's bruise hasn't been explained yet. That said, I'll scream right along with you if this turns into All. About. Erica. I'm not sure I believe the PTSD thing though, as she's never made any reference before to losing time, she knew what Adam was talking about when they discussed that night, and it's a bit much to have both mother and daughter blocking out something. Granted David has that forgetting potion, but I don't think he actually keeps a supply on hand. Besides, David and Kendall don't seem to be in cahoots over Michael's death, and Kendall clearly knows more about that night than anyone.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say that Michael probably caught Erica and David mucking around in his condo, and there was a fight, and David threatened to shoot Michael. And so naturally of course Erica and David don't want to say anything about that. The reactions from Adam and Jack don't seem to point to "Erica and/or David shot Michael". It's more of "Hmmm, yeah, that could be trouble" as opposed to "You killed him! You're in such deep shit!"
Finally, why would Erica make up this particular lie, that makes it sound like she might have killed Michael, to give to Bianca? Hmmm, because maybe she's finally grabbed a clue and realized that her darling daughter just might have capped the Asscicle? I think Erica, just like Kendall and Lena, are totally trying to distract the Binkster from putting together the pieces. Remember, Reggie blew Bianca's alibi to Erica.
CKD
Jan 26, 2004 @ 5:33 pm
Speaking of shadows, I think the shadow Bianca keeps on remembering/seeing is her own. At the very least, it's someone with the same haircut.
What, we weren't talking about that?
Black Knight
Jan 26, 2004 @ 5:46 pm
When I was looking at the silhouette from last week, if I thought of the head being at one angle, it looked like Kendall's hair. But if I thought of the head being at a different angle, then it looked like Bianca's hair. I know that makes no sense, given that Kendall has long curly hair and Bianca has short straight hair (except for the time she permed it as a sign of solidarity with her lov--er, sister, of course), but that's just how the shadow looked to me. I ultimately came down on Kendall's side, with reservations. I've always been bad at that sort of thing, though. Rorschach tests? So not for me. "What do you see?" "I see a blob." "Try to make out a shape. Say the first thing that leaps into your mind." "All right, it's a shape of a blob." "Perhaps we should move on. Let's try the next card. What do you see?" "A blob."
2deadcows
Jan 26, 2004 @ 5:58 pm
...The exposition kills me sometimes.
Only "sometimes?" Seriously, who do TPTB think is benefiting from the exposition? It isn’t a holiday; the kiddies are in school. Maybe it’s for the regular viewers who have been FF through the storyline since August. Or maybe the writers are just too lazy to come up with actual relevant dialog to advance the plot.
I know. I especially love it when someone's telling Bianca what Michael did to her. "Michael raped you." She knows! She was the one who was raped! Duh! In the Ginks boathouse scene, Greenlee had a line like that, something along the lines of, "When you were testifying...about what Michael did to you..." I was rolling my eyes.
Preach it! Should Asscicle even have a name outside of the courtroom proceedings at this point? Why aren’t Erica et. al simply referring to him as “that monster” or “that animal?” From an individual character’s perspective, it would serve to dehumanize and further malign Michael and possibly distance that character from and provide a vulnerability barrier against the memory of him and his actions. Sure, Erica[ETA: *] could still work herself into a tizzifying rant over Michael and what “that monster” did to her family, but I think attaching a generic label to him would at least remove some of the sting (self-recrimination, self-loathing, second guessing, etc...) associated with his name. Anger at Michael is fine, the other stuff isn’t. Or maybe I should just burn my old “Psych 101 for Non-majors” textbook and watch Dr. Phil. [scared voice] Please don’t make me watch Dr. Phil. [/sv]
Man, Punisher really has it in for Lucci. Hopefully, tomorrow is another day in PV and an end to Erica’s shiny happy 80s homage.
* or [insert character name -- Kendall, Lena, Jackson, Bianca, etc...]
Edited because I don't think "loating" is in the dictionary and to add
the "*".
Mystic0
Jan 26, 2004 @ 6:04 pm
Right there with ya,
CKD.
It looks like the shadow is on the inside of Mikey's door, right? I've been assuming that it is Bianca's own shadow, too. The reactions from Adam and Jack don't seem to point to "Erica and/or David shot Michael". It's more of "Hmmm, yeah, that could be trouble" as opposed to "You killed him! You're in such deep shit!"
Good point. I'd forgotten about David's bruise also. Huh. Yep, still clueless.
I just can't get my head around Erica blocking something out, it's been bugging me all day. I realize that most of my irritation stems from reeeeeally not wanting Erica to be the hub of this mystery. A supporting player? Fine. She's got her wedding and I'm sure eventually finding out about Kendall jr. to keep her floating SL wise, that's enough. There's more than enough players involved to use to throw off the fact that Bianca did it (if that's what they're trying to do) to keep from having to put some wacky Erica crap out there to confuse the issue.
Hmmm, because maybe she's finally grabbed a clue and realized that her darling daughter just might have capped the Asscicle?
Damn, I hope that's it. I know that what happened to Binks is traumatizing to Erica but, as you've said, this blocking things out angle hasn't been nodded to at all. She has seemed pretty clear headed (for Erica) and hasn't seemed haunted or traumatized by anything Mikey death related. Plus, I had assumed that David was with Erica all that night. (I couldn't see him just leaving her alone after whatever went down that night, she wasn't with Jack, and she certainly didn't go home.) If she didn't remember something, you'd thing she could just ask him. So, I gotta go with she's lying.
It's been over a year, it's long overdue. I would love nothing better than to see a Mia-shaped crater in some concrete again. Good times, indeed.
Hee! And WORD.
Black Knight
Jan 26, 2004 @ 6:20 pm
As much as I'm tired of hearing "Michael Cambias" over and over again, I think it's probably the best of compromises for the people who actually interacted with him. It makes sense for Palmer to call him Cambias, given that they had like two business conversations. But Lena and Kendall can hardly start calling him Cambias--I'd be like, "Give it up, you slept with him a hundred times!"--but then Michael can sometimes be a little too casual. And so they wind up compromising with "Michael Cambias" a lot. I don't think anyone needs to de-humanize him in their minds because they clearly already have in a fundamental way, by their absolute indifference to Michael's murder. No one makes any hypocritical pretense--it's all, "Good, someone offed him, now let's make sure no one goes to jail for it." I think using a generic term like "monster" for Michael would actually have the opposite effect from what you're thinking, 2deadcows, as it'd be a term of anger and fear and so every time one calls him that, it's giving him and the sins he committed more power in one's memory--ultimately it'd inflate him to some sort of demi-god monster status. Bianca actually had the closest to the right attitude, actually, when she told off First Evil Asscicle a few weeks ago, telling him she was stronger than him and that she was going to win.
For some bizarre reason, I want to see Erica's Nancy Sinatra look from a couple of weeks ago make a reappearance as her next outfit. It just cracked my shit up.
Mysticks Muse
Jan 26, 2004 @ 9:19 pm
Don't have too much to say tonight, but we're getting dangerously near Page 2.
I was reading Eden's board yesterday, and there is a thread on the so-called triangle. Imagine my surprise when I read a post from a Bammer stating that there really isn't a triangle. I was shocked to find that perhaps one actually had some sense, until I read the poster's reasons. See, in some Bam fans' minds, there's not a love triangle, because . . . hold onto your seats . . Bianca doesn't really have feelings for Lena. She never has. Bianca's still in love with Maggie and has been waiting around for Maggie to realize that they're destined to be together. I wanted to cut and paste, but that board doesn't allow it. The moderators are Bam fans, and I suppose they realize how delusional most of them sound. I think they've invaded our mansion in Egypt. We really should charge rent.
Edited because there's a difference between "their" and "they're", at least to most people.
regis
Jan 26, 2004 @ 9:54 pm
See, in some Bam fans' minds, there's not a love triangle, because . . . hold onto your seats . . Bianca doesn't really have feelings for Lena. She never has. Bianca's still in love with Maggie and has been waiting around for Maggie to realize that their destined to be together.
Wow, those of us who are Lianca fans are given so little to keep us going - the BAMmers have even less and yet they believe that Bianca truly is in love with Maggie! Imagine the fanwanking you would have to do to keep that hope alive. I think the BAMmers are paying the mortgage on the mansion. In fact, they may even be adding on a few more floors.
merlin
Jan 26, 2004 @ 10:54 pm
I hope when the Michael murder reveal plays out, we get to know everthing!!!
Who shot Adam?
Where is Maggies gun (still unaccounted for)?
Where did Reggie go that night?
Who hit David?
etc. etc. There are so many loose ends, I hope they clarify. What am I saying McHack is writing this show!!!!!!!!
By the way, why hasn't Maggie been called as a witness for the prosecution when she SAW KENDALL WITH THE DUFFEL BAG COMING OUT OF MICHAELS CONDO????
Will any of these pieces actually make sense....probably not....
merlin
Jan 26, 2004 @ 10:54 pm
I hope when the Michael murder reveal plays out, we get to know everthing!!!
Who shot Adam?
Where is Maggies gun (still unaccounted for)?
Where did Reggie go that night?
Who hit David?
etc. etc. There are so many loose ends, I hope they clarify. What am I saying McHack is writing this show!!!!!!!!
By the way, why hasn't Maggie been called as a witness for the prosecution when she SAW KENDALL WITH THE DUFFEL BAG COMING OUT OF MICHAELS CONDO????
Will any of these pieces actually make sense....probably not....
DeeeDee
Jan 26, 2004 @ 11:38 pm
Can I say I just miss Marj Dusay? And that I also miss all the stellar fabulousness that was PalmNess? I'm *still* pissed off about breaking the two of them up. Palmer/Daisy was great but to me Palmer's soulmate will *always* be Vanessa.
SkiffyPup
Jan 26, 2004 @ 11:41 pm
Poor Merlin with the damnable double post as 2/3rds of your total.
Answer- No one cares who killed asshat and, I'm sure, since McTrash said it would make sense, that it will not.
BTW- Shooter or no ... that was Bianca's own shadow she saw in her 'lil flashback.
She either did it or saw who did.
(Currently watching the AUS Open Tennis. Much more lezzy than AMC.)
PS: GO Liza! It's your birthday ... GO LIZA!
boris
Jan 27, 2004 @ 12:08 am
I've always loved Marj Dusay on GL or AMC, but that damnable Proteus storyline was So. Damn. Boring. She is a killer baddie, though.
ETA: What in the hell did David Canary do to deserve all his screntime to newbies and really bad actors? All this OLTL crossover crap has me hitting FF faster than anything. Nobody. Cares. And what's with the Boobe storyline? They tried to redeem her earlier only to have her trash it over New Years in trying to bed Jamie. Why bother? She's become more serious FF material as it goes along.
aich
Jan 27, 2004 @ 12:20 am
Hi, I'm new to the board. I haven't watched AMC in years and seeing the McCrap is at the helm didn't induce me to start again. I read a spoiler about Liza (I love Marcy Walker) and Tad, I figured a spoiler surely means more than 2 minutes of airtime.
I also tuned in to see the big Bianca/other girl story. That Olga Super-Long-LAst-NAme also wins in the polls for favorite actress. I've only seen her about twice. I can't get into her and Maggie and Bianca. I never that the Frankie/Maggie actress was all that great so whatever. You guys seem like big Bianca fans. I liked her but I cant get into this trial. I mean does anyone care who killed this guy (who I don't know who he is. And how did he end up with every single company on the canvas? I mean honestly, WTF? I picture Snidely Whiplash running around twirling his mustache)
And it seems to me like Bianca whacked old Snidely and everyone is protecting her. I mean, is this trial not absurd? Ignoring Erica's horrible outfit (lilac polyester bell sleeves- i certainly hope La Kane is no longer modeling) There are like, outbreaks of murmurs every three minutes. "We call Erica Kane." *murmur murmur murmur* Gimme a break!
And if any feels like answering all my annoying questions- why do Mia and GReentea hate Kendal? I thought they were friends? And did liza seriously throw Mia out a window? If so could I get some details.
Personally, I'm going to tune in a little more for liza and tad (even though this seems completely out of left field to me) I like the actors. I am a bit annoyed that Tad has three chicks after him. I mean can't there be another love interest for liza, simone and krystal so they don't completely reek of desperation. Although the writers (and I use that term loosely) have a real boner for Bobbie Eakes- I'm sure she'll have Tad and probably some other characters in some triangle. I suppose I shouldn;t complain. It could be worse. It could be General Hospital. Now there is some crappy writing.
well, that's all I have to say. Oh and you guys crack me up. I love your posts.
SkiffyPup
Jan 27, 2004 @ 12:29 am
Gee. I just dunno what to reply to that. So I will leave it to others. Meantime ...
Kate at eyeonsoaps has a terrific spoiler/commentary "Hee!" combo here:
http://eyeonsoaps.com/amcscoopskate.htm
kariyaki
Jan 27, 2004 @ 12:45 am
why do Mia and GReentea hate Kendal? I thought they were friends?
Can open. Worms everywhere. *regular posters groan at
kariyaki's impending rant* Aidan is in love with Kendall, who leads him on a lot. That's why Mia hates her. Greenlee does because when Kendall acquired all those businesses Asscicle had usurped, Kendall wouldn't merge Enchantment and Fusion and leave Greenlee in charge. Plus, Greenlee seems to have some THING for Ryan lately. Neither of them have a great reason to hate Kendall, certainly not enough to jeopardize her murder trial, it's just contrived so there will be even MORE conflict.
And did liza seriously throw Mia out a window? If so could I get some details.
Oh, you got it. There's nothing I like better than rehashing that (perhaps delving into intricate Kinks details but I digress). Liza had developed this ridiculous irrational suspicion that Adam was sleeping with Mia. So Mia was up in the attic schmooping to her boyfriend, Jake, on the phone. Liza thought it was Adam and lunged to grab her but tripped on her dress (it was a costume party), fell right against Mia who went ass over teakettle right out the window. God, I'm laughing just typing this. The best part was that they kept flashing back to it all in slo-mo. It was one of my favorite bits of exposition, that flashback.
aich
Jan 27, 2004 @ 12:52 am
oh. my. god. that sounds so hilarious. costume party? she tripped? Here I was thinking maybe that brain tumor came back. pity- that was a classy storyline, that one.
i don't know if i even want to go through all the trouble of finding out who any of these newbies (or not-so-newbies are) and why the characters are acting the way they are. I see Mc Tavish is at the helm so I'll just chalk it up to the chain smoking monkeys and lots of crack.
wasn't the whole fusion thing a cheap sex and the city rip off anyway? obviously girls don't need friends. Fewer friends = more catfights. That is a direct correlation. Clinically proven. yup.