CKD
Dec 31, 2003 @ 7:21 pm
Yeah, again my question for today is: where is Bianca's jealousy? She doesn't give a shit about Maggie's date with Jamie: she only cares about the fact that Maggie didn't tell her first because she's a selfish brat.
TheCustomOfLife
Dec 31, 2003 @ 7:36 pm
Mystic0
Dec 31, 2003 @ 7:39 pm
I didn't read any jealousy either. I took it pretty much at face value as Bianca laid it out. She was worried that Maggie can no longer confide in her because Bianca has so much drama goin' on. I guess she didn't want the Magster to think that her life overshadows Maggie's to the point that they can't have that friendly give and take, ya know?
I wonder if Bianca disapproves of Maggie and Jamie dating because of the JR/Borie/Jamie saga. I don't know how much of that Binks was privy to but I remember that she had one scene where Borie was bleating on about her love life to Binky. Or maybe Bianca is just freaked because Jamie is actually only what? Twelve years old? He really should be around Petey's age, right? ;)
OneWomanArmy04
Dec 31, 2003 @ 7:49 pm
Word, Mystico. Their backburnered relationship took the meaning out of the kiss for me. Instead I found myself wondering why the characters at the ski lodge I couldn't give a shit about and the Babe SL folk get all the screen time and we get yet another Lianca drive by. The kiss did not compensate for that at all. *Lobotmized racoon* - hilarious! Too true. Less makeup, more storyline, please.
Word, y'all. I think that's where the nagging sense of disappointment is coming from for me. Because while I went "ooh!!" in excitement when they kissed, it was a blink and miss it moment. It was just like all the other Lianca scenes: cut too fucking short. I mean, it would have been nice if there'd been some, I dunno, dialogue today? About their
relationship? If the kisses (and hopefully there are others, but I won't bet on it) are only are going to last 2.2 seconds, I'd much rather have implied intimacy, along the lines of their first "morning after". I'd rather have a meaningful conversation than a 2 second kiss. Though the kiss was nice, it wasn't enough for me. I don't feel like I should have to settle for a kiss and hugs OR conversation. Why can't we get both?
Mysticks Muse
Dec 31, 2003 @ 8:25 pm
I think it was a "Kendall saves Opal from drug dealers" spoiler. Babe was jealous of Maggie and Jamie. Bianca was not. She was somewhat disturbed, but given the situation with Jamie, and it being Maggie, whose taste in men is quite suspect (Henry, Carlos, the unsexiest Fusion man) who wouldn't be disturbed, if only for Jamie's sake.
Katie M
Dec 31, 2003 @ 8:58 pm
Count me as one who was kinda surprised by the 2nd kiss, but hardly impressed. I thought hell would freeze over before two girls kissed on AMC again, but when they started counting down to midnight, all I thought was "this is fucking bullshit if they don't get to kiss too!" The other (hetero) couples are making out well after the new year has rung in but Bianca and Lena are batting balloons and laughing. I love to see them laugh together, but god damn, you know two women as in love as they are would have at least made it a little less tight-lipped and short-lived.
But my gripe isn't even about the kiss. It's about how Lianca collectively had about 4 lines today. They show them arrive at the party, they show them in the background, and they show them kiss for 2 seconds to appease viewers. They can't showcase them as a couple in love like Edmund/Maria nor will they show them as a couple recovering from turmoil like...oh, every other couple on the show. The dynamic of their relationship would be so interesting, given what they have each gone through the past few months, if TPTB would just give us a little of it. Bianca's a huge player on the show currently and they use all facets of her life on the canvas, except her love life because she's a lesbian. Grrr, all I feel for this show is utter ambivalence! (Leaning towards hate side of love/hate these days...)
CKD
Dec 31, 2003 @ 9:35 pm
I hated the kiss, too: I want them to talk, not boink.
Thanks for nothing, McHack.
Qwho
Dec 31, 2003 @ 10:23 pm
I think MysticO is on to something. It is interesting that Jacob Young is on his third major soap character, that I realize I don't recall any talk of a girlfriend, dating, etc. in all his soap years. ( It must be a simple innocent ommision, just like what happens to Christian LeBlanc, Kevin Spirtas, and Tony Geary.....)
In any case, I did see the two men dancing very clearly. Congrats to AMC for the inclusion.
SkiffyPup
Dec 31, 2003 @ 10:55 pm
I LOVED the two men dancing together! Yay AMC! I'll even fastclap.
I want Lianca to talk ... like... in the nuber of lines and scenes Babe gets! AND then kiss(same week) and THEN have loving and passionate and moving reunion/recovery sex. Is that so wrong? I wish they'd do that. What is wrong with these people? It would be a ratings bonanza! Televisions across the continent would explode! I just want it. Hmph.
I did like that it was Bianca who pulled Lena in to the kiss. And I did like the kiss itself. Pan-away? Write down the director's name and have him shot.
Want to hear something hilarious? Meli tells me that the subject of Maggie's thanksgiving dickie came up at her lunch with Eden/Liz/Olga/BAM. Everyone hated it except one person who really thought that top was cute.
Who could possibly like that freakish top, you ask? The answer will surprise you.
Olga Sosnovska. Wrap your mind around that bit of information. They all just looked at her like, Whuh Fuh?
Mystic0
Dec 31, 2003 @ 11:04 pm
In any case, I did see the two men dancing very clearly. Congrats to AMC for the inclusion.
Word. I've always felt that TPTB could get away with alot more if they just made it a non-issue. If you treat everything like a big deal, people react like it's a big deal. No big deal is the way to go. There are many snuggly fun things that Lianca could do that probably wouldn't kill some poor repressed granny. A lot of stuff could easily slide under the radar if TPTB wouldn't shine a spotlight on it. Kinda like HoYay, if you are looking for it, you see it quite clearly. If it's not your bag, you probably wouldn't notice it at all. I really think the five yard rule calls more attention to the Big! Gay! aspect of Lianca than if you just had them acting a bit more normal couply-like. General hand holding, hugs, sitting close, and snuggles really wouldn't cause the earth to slip off its axis, I don't think. I realize that Lianca can't be *quite* as affectionate as others but TPTB definitely should put a little more faith in today's viewers as a whole. Sure, some wouldn't be down for it but I doubt it would cause the mass exodus that they so fear.
ETA: I don't think I
can wrap my brain around that,
Skiffy. Tell us more...
SkiffyPup
Jan 1, 2004 @ 5:22 am
Mystic0,
Honeypie, I just heard it face to face today and I was so flummoxed that I got reconfirm and than added a req for permission to post it on TWP. (The Only place where it woud be safe to post and also believed.)
Meli referered to the ... dickie .. as "Gramma's placemat" and WTF, etc. The others weighed in with their unlove and Olga was like, "Oh, the green blah blah? I LIKE it. blah blah cute whatevercakes." [/paraphrasing!] I swear I almost had an attack of the unpretty kind hearing this on a Lianca kiss day. It was like hearing the lianca kiss was actually mouth to mouth in an unsexy ambulance way, and then Baggie fondled each other's naughty parts in a drunken stupor!
Olga? At one time I thought you never put a foot wrong. I was mistaken. Now, touch your nose and count backwards from 100 until I am satisfied you are merely a blind tipsy inattentive nearsighted well meaning co-worker instead of a crackaholic insecure actor. This is your second strike.
Oh BTW, without a preggo story I could totally get into Bianca having pants-unbuckling-skirt-lifting sexaholix with two people ... jus' like sissy Kendall her real girlf... um, sister.
Pan-away-vision-cam2: Elelectric Zoomaloo.
sugahoney77
Jan 1, 2004 @ 5:43 am
They are dancing in the background (While Tad yaps to Mom of Boobe, I think) and you see JR's big noggin actually smiling happily (!). Then it pans so you can see JR is smiling at Tarzan while doing this seizure dance. He appeared to be totally ignoring Simone. Not that I'm calling JR gay. Nor would I point out that Dax and JY are supposedly roomies. Nope.
Is that what they call it nowadays? Roomies. I totally saw that in the background. At first I thought that JR wanted to cut in and dance with Simone but he just started dancing with both of them. Roomies indeed.
That kiss was sweet but pretty pathetic. They didn't even focus on them but were just panning out in time to show Tad with Boobsie's mamma doing the mackage.
I'm also with those who aren't convinced of Bianca's jealousy towards Maggie. She really did sound like a concerned friend. It wasn't like she was obsessing over her like that fiasco bedroom musical chairs at the lodge. How old is Jamie now anyways? 16? 17? 25?
goatie
Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:57 pm
Yesterday totally summed up my disgust with the McT-verse. SL A: Scheming poor slut looks for ways to save her bacon. SL B: Three couples play the most annyoing, mind-bendingly boring, nonsensical game of musical beds ever devised. Whiny spoiled diva-girls must be boyfriends’ entire focus, or they move on to the next guy immediately. Men’s entire focus is to protect helpless, resourceless womenfolk from danger for their own good. Viewer could barely believe she was even FF-ing this crap. SL C: No, wait, Lianca wasn’t actually a SL, but some nice backdrop/wallpaper. No dialogue, no context, no meaningful interaction for viewers waiting 6 months for pay-off. Oh wait, Bianca did get a foreground scene with – damn - Maggie. This whole setup was a very bad sign of things to come, I think, Lianca relegated to the background drive-by for their extremely significant second kiss. Before yesterday I still thought there was a chance of the girls returning to some level of relevance story-wise but not anymore. It’s going to be all about the Bianca-verse of baby, Kendall, Erica’s reaction, Maggie’s jealousy, etc. Ugh. Bring on The “L” Word, Santa!
silentbob
Jan 1, 2004 @ 1:30 pm
I'm still not convinced that the Lianca kiss yesterday was scripted. My theory is that it was a clever ad-lib that Eden and Olga snuck in, and the producers decided not to re-shoot.
Mystic0
Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:32 pm
That kiss was sweet but pretty pathetic. They didn't even focus on them but were just panning out in time to show Tad with Boobsie's mamma doing the mackage.
The more I think about it, the more I see TPTB's logic about how they chose to handle it. Remember the airport kiss? If you just look at the kiss its the tamest kiss in the history of the world. But the setup of scenes leading up to it gave it some punch. Which is further credit to the actresses because the airport dialogue alone? Not so stellar. I'm guessing that they set up yesterday's kiss, in the fashion that they did, to diffuse Lianca a bit. Duck some of their sexual chemistry, ya know? If Lianca would have had build-up scenes, I'm pretty sure the actresses would have dialed up the intensity level to ten and then a kiss? Um, no. I would bet that would fall under the heading of
too much for TPTB. Too scary and blatant, that is. ('Cause if you give Eden and Olga some juicy material, they'll kill you with chemistry.)
So, they handled it in a way that would deliver (Because most would be howling in outrage if Lianca *didn't* kiss) but would do so in the safest way possible. I do give them props for going there but I would have traded it in a second for a better understanding of where Lianca's relationship actually stands. Still, even though the kiss doesn't make up for the stuff we're not getting (like actual conversations), I'm glad we did get the kiss. It shows a willingness on AMC's part to deal with the physical aspects of Lianca to some extent. Baby steps, yo.
The view from the mansion assures me that AMC is still in a transitional stage and will get to more character driven SLs and less 'event' storytelling. And that stuff will stop 'sploding every damn day. Lalalalalala... ;)
Kiltomatic
Jan 1, 2004 @ 3:25 pm
I didn't notice the two guys dancing, but I did notice when Lena and Bianca were dancing just after Maggie enters the room and sees them, two women leave the room but before doing so pause and look back into the room. They're too much in the background to really tell who or what they are looking at, but it seems to me they were giving Lena and Bianca the once over and thinking either "Hey sistahs! You go girls!" or "Damn, we thought we'd be the cutest lesbian couple at the New Year's Ball!"
SkiffyPup
Jan 1, 2004 @ 9:11 pm
Other HoYay dancing action included three women dancing together ... but they were obviously just friends. The two men were definitely a couple!
onthetracks
Jan 1, 2004 @ 9:16 pm
Word to your post MysticO - I agree - Olga and Eden crank the intensity a bit much for the suits. Not that I'd trade it in or anything. Hopefully, since the sky didn't fall, they'll consider giving us some actual dialogue. Really, they went there at Stewart's place (2-20 days before Xmas). It would have been nice to see what transpired in Bink's head from the kiss to hug bail-out to this rather enthusiastic lip lock. I sure as hell would have liked to see and hear something/anything. The kiss was well done, and would have been totally smokin with an appropriate lead-in.
Random thought that's really been bugging me: Adam must actually have hired crack monkeys to investigate Babe, as any pinhead would have been able to discover Babe's marriage in 15 minutes or less. Yes Babe, the annulment will be public record *gasp* but apparently not the marriage itself.
DC and AS looked like they were having a blast at the party. Please extricate them from this dumbass SL and let them do some real evil manipulating!
newyork1
Jan 1, 2004 @ 11:10 pm
So, they handled it in a way that would deliver (Because most would be howling in outrage if Lianca *didn't* kiss) but would do so in the safest way possible.
Having your cake and eating it too satisfies no one in the long run.
I do give them props for going there but I would have traded it in a second for a better understanding of where Lianca's relationship actually stands. Still, even though the kiss doesn't make up for the stuff we're not getting (like actual conversations), I'm glad we did get the kiss. It shows a willingness on AMC's part to deal with the physical aspects of Lianca to some extent. Baby steps, yo.
I don't believe AMC has any desire or willingness "to deal with the physical aspects of Lianca to some extent" or to any extent. In interviews, Eden Riegel and Olga S. have indicated that their physical contact is strictly controlled by the directors, et al.
The kiss was a non-event for me. As someone said, if you blinked you missed it. And, as soon as you blinked, the real focus focused on the open-mouthed kissage between the Tad and White Trash Mama and JR and White Trash Bambino. (Oh, and let's not forget the cabin fevered bed-hopping of the fusion girls - contrived and silly - what the hell happened to these women? don't any of them work any more? And, what have they done to Greenlee? How passionate she was not long ago about running her business or at the very least fighting to keep it from the greesy hands of Lavery?)
I have supported the Bianca s/l since she was reintroduced in 2000, through her mixed up relationships with Sarah and Frankie; her mature and glorious relationship with Lena; and, through to her horrific rape. Eden's performance has almost always been first rate, but it was her performance from April through September that captured me and many others, showcased her talent and put her in the category of a Meryl Streep. She deserves the emmy and will most likely win it (brava).
As for the s/l, I honestly thought that Lena would be fully worked into her recovery and until recently I still supported the s/l. I don't feel that way any longer. They have had almost no contact and the little contact they have had is too little too late. This week alone, they have had maybe 1 minute of dialogue and a couple of minutes of being together on screen. The relationship has been marginalized as all of Bink's relationships eventually become.
And, I would have perferred dialogue between Bianca and Lena. They need to talk things out. They have much to talk out, to resolve. I will concede that physicality between them is still controversial on daytime TV. Fine, I don't expect TPTB to deal with it as they would the heterosexual couples on the show. And, frankly, that gets old real quick and most people get annoyed (example, Maria and Edmund, Maria and Aiden).
But, how in heaven's name can simple conversations about Lianca's relationship be tabu on daytime TV? I just don't get it. Never will.
Final thought for tonight about other AMC s/l's: I know many people are disgusted with the Babe and Mother Babe s/l. And, it is not as though I haven't cringed at the inordinate amount of airtime devoted to it. Nevertheless, I much prefer that s/l to the Ryan Lavery show (which AMC has become since his return). First of all, he is on almost every day and he is in almost everyone's s/l. Honestly, I never liked this guy (I was and still am a Leo lover - and he cannot remotely compare to Leo). And, now I dislike him more than ever. He is a smug, know it all, jerk-off. I don't know what any woman sees in him. I only hope Kendall goes off with Aiden (now there is one hell of a guy who doesn't grandstand and isn't a smirky jerk). And I also hope that Ryan was hit in the head with the big ball that fell in Times Square last evening.
I thought that was the funniest line on Wednesday's show (and is pretty much how I feel about TPTB at AMC as well as ABC): "I hope the big ball falls on all of your pathetic heads". :}
Happy New Year!
KerleyQ
Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:21 am
I saw the ad for "Win a Date With Tad Hamilton" tonight and immediately asked Mr. KerleyQ if he'd watch the baby while I go see it tomorrow. He was dumbfounded "That looks like one of the dumbest movies ever!" But, the pretty! Did you not see Josh with his shirt off? The.Pretty.Damn.It. Does that make me shallow??
SkiffyPup
Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:30 am
Welcome, newyork1. Your very first post and it is already just right for the bitter culture of The TWoP AMC Forum. Dittocakes to your sentiments.
TIIC just don't seem to want to go there. What to do ... what to do? Last time we started a jihad from here there were banner ads available and passionate outrage to be mined off the official fanboards. We totally kicked PTB ass and lost them ratings and even got them in a temporary fight with GLAAD. Can't do that level of intensity this time though! It's one thing to scream about the Rape the Lesbian after she has sex one time cliche'. It just won't work if we did a "What? No TONGUE? No convo?" campaign. Perhaps all communication with PTB should be signed Physical Equality NOW! PEN? Yep. That's kinda snappy.
We could complain about the writing, but I'd rather not see them happen in the hands of the the people writing the current retarded Lianca conversations.
[OT] I think I was drunk when I wrote the last post a page back. Happy New Year!
TWoP keeps me sane.
sno ball
Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:55 am
So, they handled it in a way that would deliver (Because most would be howling in outrage if Lianca *didn't* kiss) but would do so in the safest way possible.
I agree with your assessment,
Mystic0, that TPTB had reasons to handle Kiss 2.0 the way they did. I've been reading the past few pages of posts and wording everybody's frustration with the scene, though--and totally relieved to find out I wasn't just being a wet blanket when my "eeeee!!!!" turned to "...wait a minute..." After Bianca told Maggie, what, 2 weeks ago, that she wasn't yet ready for a relationship with Lena again, that they "ha[d]n't even kissed yet," I feel cheated. That kiss was supposed to be big, dammit. Maybe even Airport Big. Instead, it's in the middle distance and a quick pan away, with no dialogue.
I'm totally rehashing everybody's points. I also started to wonder, though, if they didn't toss it in there just so that Lianca freaks couldn't complain. "What? We treated them like everybody else: they kissed on New Year's."
Oh, and to rehash again, WTF were they wearing? The Punisher was really in fine form. Poor Olga looked like she had fallen down a shaft at a sateen nightie mill.
Speaking of The Punisher, I guess Mauria didn't have time to put on a bra for her date with Edmund. *shudder*
SkiffyPup
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:26 am
fallen down a shaft at a sateen nightie mill.
sno ball! BWAH! Rehash if fine when you're saying it better and funnier than everyone else. I heart you.
Continuity point on The Punisher: Liza threw out all her frumpwear and never got around to tossing the unsexiest black longsleeved gramma partyfrock ever? Upside ... The Hair Punisher was so concentrated on Lena and even Bianca for the party that Liza sauntered in with the best hair ever. I thought Marcy Walker looked radiant, for a change. She's really beautiful. And, age appropriate too
nirvana71
Jan 2, 2004 @ 11:50 am
[QUOTE]Perhaps all communication with PTB should be signed Physical Equality NOW! PEN? Yep. That's kinda snappy.
I really want some dialogue between Lianca. How about Equal Dialogue Damnit! END.
Skiffy, what was Olga's first strike?
rsmith2k2
Jan 2, 2004 @ 1:05 pm
The more I think about it, the more I see TPTB's logic about how they chose to handle it. Remember the airport kiss? If you just look at the kiss its the tamest kiss in the history of the world. But the setup of scenes leading up to it gave it some punch...I'm guessing that they set up yesterday's kiss, in the fashion that they did, to diffuse Lianca a bit. Duck some of their sexual chemistry, ya know? If Lianca would have had build-up scenes, I'm pretty sure the actresses would have dialed up the intensity level to ten and then a kiss? Um, no. I would bet that would fall under the heading of too much for TPTB. Too scary and blatant, that is. ('Cause if you give Eden and Olga some juicy material, they'll kill you with chemistry.)[
Commenting on Mystico's excellent observations, I believe TPTB sort of divided Bianca and Lena's Reunion Kiss into two parts for the very reason s/he mentions. The may have done so in yet another barometer of Middle American audience reaction to/preference for:
1.) Bianca and Lena, the
lesbians, reuniting as a couple (and I do not personally believe that the triangle is a factor here)
2.) Emotional intimacy,
relationship dialogue, actual CUs of eye-shagging (Reunion Kiss, Part 1-The Almost Kiss at Stuart's)
3.) The true physical intimacy (without the contextual "build-up scenes") we witnessed on New Year's Eve
Reunion Kiss, Part 1 (The Almost Kiss at Stuart's house a couple of weeks ago), provided the Emotional Intensity, the "build-up scenes" (Mystico)...time together, ALONE to talk, contextual
relationship dialogue, hand-holding during the dialogue, actual CUs of eye-shagging, those longing looks at each other's mouths and a general blushing-inducing intensity to their entire interaction. Deeply moving and
Emotional but a KISS, true
physical and sexual intimacy?
Almost.The Reunion Kiss, Part 2 (New Year's Eve Kiss and Dance) gives us the exact opposite of The Almost Kiss scene. True
physical/sexual intimacy without the appropriate emotional "build-up scenes." Bianca's revealing dress, Bianca leaning in to display her considerable goddess-given assets (yes, yes, of course I am thinking
KILLER RACK) to Lena while they chat at their table, Binky and Lena's bodies pressed together in a snuggling dance, the kiss itself, while not depicted for as many seconds as the het couples, there could be no doubt any viewers mind that Binky and HPF were kissing because they were
physically/sexually attracted to each other (we already know they are in love). That, my friends is still a Very. Big. Deal.
The missing contextual relationship dialogue in the New Year's Even Kiss...? See The Almost Kiss. Emotional and physical intimacy together in one scene or a series of scenes?
I would bet that would fall under the heading of too much for TPTB. Too scary and blatant, that is.
Dare I do it for the first time ever? Word. Eden and Olga would explode TV screens all over America.
So, they handled it in a way that would deliver (Because most would be howling in outrage if Lianca *didn't* kiss) but would do so in the safest way possible...It shows a willingness on AMC's part to deal with the physical aspects of Lianca to some extent. Baby steps, yo.
There
is a method to this House of Mouse network machicinations/madness/genius. All that lesbian interaction (I know, I know...2 min scenes, 40 sec scenes, etc--the fans, Eden and Olga have earned much more) they bring in a PG rating on both eprisodes. A PG rating keeps the young demographic they so desperately chase on board and probably reduces negative fan reaction. I think there is a good possiblity we are still watching a test, focus group fodder to help TPTB gauge how to present Lena and Bianca visually as a couple to the Middle Americans they grossly underestimate.
Any thoughts?
r
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PS-As a long-time lurker I want to say thanks to all the TWoP's posters for their brilliant thinking and incisive humor. In all sincerity, I would not have survived the Summer of Voldemort without you.
kariyaki
Jan 2, 2004 @ 1:13 pm
"Is Kendall really that good in bed?"
Oh my. So many comments on that one little line of Greenlee's. One: Well, duh, why else does she think every man in PV is trying to hit that? Two: do I detect a hint of jealousy and envy there? Heh heh heh.
DrCher
Jan 2, 2004 @ 1:39 pm
Greenlee is really denying her love of Kendall a lot today. The line kariyaki mentioned just above and now, "I won't swing that way. Not even for Fusion." Sure, Greens.
ETA: Now she's chasing Kendall around the hotel room, trying to get a peak at the 'baby'.....
kariyaki
Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:05 pm
My dad was all, "Ooh, catfight! Catfight!" I myself was thinking more along the lines of Greenlee desperately trying to rip Kendall's clothes off of her.
silentbob
Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:17 pm
"Trying to get a peak at the baby" -- is that what the kids are calling it these days?
I can truly understand now why Tad has not yet slept with any of the Kane women (and probably never will). Given how good they allegedly are in bed, Pine Valley would spontaneously combust.
All the Greendall HoYay! today is pretty strong evidence that the writers are toying with us.
Dianora
Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:27 pm
Hello all. I've been away from the internet for far too long, so now I am back to say: I do not like Krystal. I do not like Krystal with Tad. I do not think BE and MEK have any sexual chemistry. Tad and Simone are freaking hot and fun and why the hell are they screwing with that? It can't be just to torture me, can it?
Hey Megan, you can shove Tad/Krystal down my throat all you want, but I'll never find the pairing, or Bobbi Eakes' scary as hell leathery midriff, appetizing in the least. I do not want Tad with a skank who gives a doctor/stranger a blow job to get him to keep his mouth shut. Crazy of me, I know.
Note to
katesus7:
Although, anyone whom Tad flirts with, that isn't Simone, I just want to smack. Wow. I AM a true shipper now. Long Live Timone!!!! (Yes, I'm deluded).
I am so right there with you. We can be deluded together.
And a big fat word to
mr. simpatico on the same subject:
are we supposed to believe that Tad would really dump Simoan who is gorgeous, funny and obviously infatuated with him for white trash Krystle who has her eye on the main prize and looks old enough to be Simoan's mom or even in McTrash's dream world Opal II - which would make any relationship with Tad seems Odiepal at best?
I can't believe they're already pimping this nonexistent pairing in the press. Because it worked
so well with Jax/Sam on GH. [/scarcasm]
kariyaki
Jan 2, 2004 @ 2:29 pm
I don't like Tad with Krystal but I don't like him with Smoan either. I like him with Liza, I liked him with Anna (still pissed that no Tanna ever came about).
Non HoYay scenes today I loved? Liza fucking with Smoan while the latter is combing the hotel for Tad. I could almost hear her cackling, hee.
Oh, also. Adam and Mary are HOT.
Kelsey
Jan 2, 2004 @ 3:20 pm
I can't stand Tad with Krystal either; Simone was somewhat tolerable because they were at least fun but my preference is for Liza too. Unfortunately, I think Liza is too normal and AMC seems to be obsessed with sluts rather than normal women. I find it very degrading and would love to see Babe and her mother go back to where they belong!
onlyinPV
Jan 2, 2004 @ 4:05 pm
It was a pretty good episode today for once! My fave line was Greenlee giving a long list of insults ending in "pole dancer" to Kendall, and Kendall saying "Hey! I don't pole dance!" Bwah!
As far as Tad wanting to put "safety first"??? Dip yourself in Clorox, boy! With the bacteria and STDs this ho is likely swimming in, a condom just ain't gonna do it.
SkiffyPup
Jan 2, 2004 @ 4:45 pm
Today is a day to demand PEN!
Word to all the HoYay Kenlee action! Saved today's show. I heart that writer hardcore, and I was rollin'. Tad and Krystal? ICKY-Dittoes! Don't worry too much, because spoilers say David will be in her orbit soon. I hope for either Tiza or Timone or even a hetero "three's company" situation. Colby has two mommies and a two daddies. That would give Adam an aneurism.
Awww, shiny newbies and lurkers. Welcome to our little corner of hell. Good to have you.
Re: Olga strikes ... Can't tell ... but I keep calling them balls anyway because I am SO her bitch.
Hey, looks like Lena and Bianca ran home! Wonder if they did anything interesting offcamera? What am I saying? Every time they do anything interesting, it's offcamera.
Don't shoot me, but I gotta say I liked Mia and Aiden today. Ryan can stay if he sets up this kind of quality Kenlee HoYay, but stop with the grabby. WTF with the Greens? Honeygreens, you just lost the man you love to a mobjihad and you want to fuck around with Ryan? The JUAN is still in the building, for chrissakes. Skanky.
Speaking of skanky mcskanker, Boobe. Oh lord, they really are making her a sick manipulator of the manflesh! Way too frontburner ... but Alexa really sold this new and worse side of her character. Note to self- Must do everything possible to keep Miss Golddigger Skank out of Bianca's orbit when everyone finds out about VolderBlingBlingFetus. She would SO go there!
gspiggott
Jan 2, 2004 @ 4:55 pm
The new SOW has a picture of Olga and her Hot Indian Fox, and SOD mentions that DeVry came back to shoot some scenes through this month and has been offered recurring status. So will First Evil Assicle be the labor coach from Hell or are they changing the story for some reason?Spoilers some from McTrash.January will be a very Tad heavy month. Babe has something else up her sleeve and McTrash vows to continue the Maggie Bianca Lena triangle. Next week Maggie fights her romantic feelings for Bianca and Lena calls her on it.
Also McT promises the return of many old favorites in the new year.
Speaking for myself I don't want to see Braeden Lavery or Kit Fisher or Bobby Warner again, and before they add any more Santos's shouldn't they do something with the one they already have?
DrCher
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:01 pm
has been offered recurring status.
Twin?
lilac2000
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:04 pm
[quote]Or Kit Fisher[/quote].
Wasn't she Jack and Travis's sister? Or am I confused? I remember they tried to set her up with Edmund. Jack doesn't need any more slightly unbalanced women in his life right now. Braeden Lavery I could maybe handle since I wasn't watching during his first run. Didn't he try to rape Hayley or something? Was he that old friend of Mateo's or was that some other psycho?
kariyaki
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:10 pm
Taking this out of spoiler tags because it's just an info dump of past character histories:
Yes, Kit Fisher was Travis and Jack's sister--half-sister, actually. Not sure which half but I think they all had the same mother. The friend of Mateo's that assaulted Hayley was Tanner, not Braden. Braden had raped Kit and Ryan almost got sent up the river for it because them being brothers (half-brothers as it turned out) made the DNA analysis kind of a close call.
lilac2000
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:11 pm
Thank you kariyaki.
I'd completely forgotten about Tanner.
gspiggott
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:16 pm
SOD has a column about answering viewers burning questions and two of them were why isn't Olga in the credits and are they committed to showing Bianca's love life. The answers are the usual piffle. Oh and the set for Glamorama got trashed somewhere along the way.
SkiffyPup
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:44 pm
gspiggot! Squeeeeee! Thanks and I hate you. Now I must run to Rite Aid and endure the smirking gaze of a checkout loser as I place a precious copy of SOW and SOD on the counter. Can't get away with my usual mumbled, "My friend writes a column .." bullshit line if I buy both!
And ... c'mon Greenlee. You would too go there for Fusion. ( Please? Pretty please go there. Just a dream or fantasy sequence. Just once. I'll write florid love notes to Ms. Megan McTavish aka: Best writer EVER for a solid year! That's how badly I want it.)
boris
Jan 2, 2004 @ 6:21 pm
My fave line was Greenlee giving a long list of insults ending in "pole dancer" to Kendall, and Kendall saying "Hey! I don't pole dance!" Bwah!
That line alone had me on the floor laughing my ass off. Then, the "trying to take a peek at the baby" pretty much did me in. You can tell that the actors really seems to dig those fight scenes, because they were really hitting all of the great comic high notes.
kariyaki
Jan 2, 2004 @ 6:32 pm
I just know the only reason Greenlee brought up Kendall pole-dancing is because she has a secret fantasy about it. Naughty girl.
Melvin_Spelvin
Jan 2, 2004 @ 8:23 pm
I spotted crazy Laura English in Mona Lisa Smile. She looked good in 50's style clothing. And she had red hair. You know, as much as her character grated, I couldn't help but love her. She was so fucked up, it was loveable.
Anyway, this show is getting worse. I'm not interested in any SL they've got right now. And add me to the list of those who were waiting for a Kreenlee sex scene while Greenlee was tied to the pole. If Megan had any balls, she'd pursue that.
Black Knight
Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:30 pm
It's a good thing that we had the Kenlee HoYay stuff today, because except for those bits, I spent the entire time Greenlee was onscreen wanting to slap her into the next country. Ugh. Her hypocrisy and complete lack of self-awareness is infuriating. And you think that she'd buy a clue that if Kendall killed Michael, she did it because he raped her sister. Shut UP, Greenlee.
I know that Aidan was right that Kendall was just rebounding from Ryan today, but damn. I'm still a determined Kaidan shipper despite everything.
So Mary and Adam are getting down with each other, finally. It cracks me up how they embrace, Adam lifting her up and Mary bending her legs so that he's supporting her entire weight.
I really don't like Tad and Krystal together, but I did like that she knew what he was after. That said, this is one failed chemistry experiment. Not only do they not spark together, but their entire segment dragged. Stop, start, stop, start...yawn.
AMC better drag Bianca out of her own SL to have a few more scenes with Babe fast, because she's used up all liking and goodwill from last time. Some lines from Jamie, an admitted idiot, about how Babe's obviously screwed up and has no self-esteem, are not doing the trick here. I did like Babe repeatedly pointing out how silly it is that Jamie's basing a great love on one night together. God, he's so dumb.
KerleyQ
Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:35 pm
"Safety first"? Seriously, Tad, I hope you double or triple bagged there. You might want to run to the doctor for a round of antibiotics, too.
I think I'll enjoy Babe now that she's being openly written this way instead of all the ambiguous crap they were doing.
At least they threw in the Kenlee scenes to balance out the Maidan II crap. Like this so far meaningless fling with Mia would make him decide to stay in PV forever but his love for Kendall wouldn't have moved that damn watch to Pie Balley time a long time ago.
kariyaki
Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:40 pm
So Mary and Adam are getting down with each other, finally. It cracks me up how they embrace, Adam lifting her up and Mary bending her legs so that he's supporting her entire weight.
Did you see Brooke's double-take when she got a gander at them? Hee hee.
Black Knight
Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:52 pm
I think I'll enjoy Babe now that she's being openly written this way instead of all the ambiguous crap they were doing.
I'd be down with that if I didn't have the feeling that this is still supposed to be ambiguous, only poorly executed (surprise!). Not that it was working for me, but Jamie's lines seemed mostly geared towards making the audience feel sorry for Babe somewhat. Now she's the screwed-up cynical prostitute with a heart of gold who needs to be saved. JR's being presented as a fairly jerky mini-Adam, we've got Babe being jealous of Jamie with Maggie, Jamie overhearing Babe yelling at JR to let her go...I think we're still supposed to feel sorry for Babe despite everything. Uh huh.
kariyaki, I did notice Brooke's look at Adam and Mary. Very funny. Poor Julia Barr, though. Talk about being in C-plot hell.
onewomanshow
Jan 2, 2004 @ 10:06 pm
I'll cop to being both hurt and disappointed by Greenlee's "I don't swing that way" protestation, but by the next segment, my faith in Kenlee's undying love for one another was reenforced. See the baby, indeed. Oh, sweet Greenlee, you doth protest too much, me thinks. Stop bullshitting and claim your woman. Dammit.
Adam and Mary were smokin'. All right! Krystal and Tad, on the other hand, not so smokin. Not so all right.
Seriously, Tad, I hope you double or triple bagged there. You might want to run to the doctor for a round of antibiotics, too.
Word. Just. Word. [BANKY EDWARDS]For all you know, that chick is more of a germ farm than that monkey in "Outbreak"![/BANKY EDWARDS] Urrgh.
[OT]I have to get something off my chest. A suspicion. I don't mean to be a rumor monger or anything. And no one call the tabloids, because I don't have any proof. But, I think. . .that Mary Stuart Masterson is Liz Hendrickson's mother.
All jokes aside, though, I've always thought that LH had a "Mary Stuart Masterson thing" going, but after watching a MSM movie right after watching AMC, I've come to believe LH is doing a MSM
impression. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I know that if I were an actor, I would shamelessly steal from other actors I admire. It was just startling to notice it, that's all. It was down right weird. If you have the time, I would suggest watching a Maggiecentric AMC episode, keeping a close eye on LH's facial expressions and mannerisms, and then watch something like "Fried Green Tomatos", "Immediate Family" or "Bed of Roses" doing the same thing with MSM. It's amazing. If LH
is doing an impression, it's a damn good one.[/OT]
ETA:
Your oink buddy in spirit (my pal Paul) found a link to Eden's new SoapNet promo and has been foaming about low cut dresses, bending over, and cleavage all damn day.
Did your pal happen to share that link with you? If so, give it up! Please. With sugar on top.
Mystic0
Jan 2, 2004 @ 10:10 pm
Shut UP, Greenlee.
I haven't even seen today's show and I still agree with this. She's bugging me. I hate that I missed some Kenlee action. Dammit. Did we get our daily 'splosion? Did Ryan die? (crosses fingers)
Black Knight, I was just thinking about you. Your oink buddy in spirit (my pal Paul) found a link to Eden's new SoapNet promo and has been foaming about low cut dresses, bending over, and cleavage all damn day. So, even when you're away, the oinking lives on. ;) Which reminds me, what did you think of the New Year's ep?
But, I think. . .that Mary Stuart Masterson is Liz Hendrickson's mother.
Get out of my head. Oh, and word! And bwah!