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gemini_girl

Dec 31, 2003 @ 7:05 pm

When I first heard about it I thought it might turn out cool, but this episode was really bizarre and weird. And what was up with that font they used for the words?! I was laughing at that font as much as I was at the stupidity of it all.

Yeah when I figured out for sure that was Emily I was like we get Emily acting like the street whore she is twice yet we don't get even a glimpse of Zander? Bastards.

Lindze, that girl is gorgeous. She looked so good in the period costumes especially the "bad girl" getup. I'm just going to overlook that weird wedding turban thing "Georgie" had on.

The first words out of my mouth as Dillon was falling asleep were 'Oh my god I'm scared' and then I proceeded to laugh my head off at everything and kept saying 'this is so stupid!'

SC was so good though, so was TK and CP I loved them as the kooky villians. TK + eyeliner= megahotness, even more than TC in eyeliner and dressed up like Jack Sparrow.

Wow color me shocked, same old Georgie/Dillon/Sage storyline in the 1920's black and white except with marriage instead of sex. Lame, writers, lame! Couldn't think of something fun and exciting to rival the Luke Christmas episode could you?! My sister was filled in on their entire storyline from this sad little b&w recap though, so something was accomplished.

ETA: Happy New Year to all my sweeties in England! It just turned 12:00 there. Woo!

DaiquiriS

Dec 31, 2003 @ 8:02 pm

I absolutely loved today's episode. It had me laughing out loud into commercial a few times. When they first showed LD and NLG, I think I scared the dog. As a matter of fact, I think I laughed everytime NLG was on screen. Do you think it was written for Ma Tubles to be so unemotional or an acting choice by Nancy? And I would do anything for a T-shirt with that pic of Tracy and Dillon!!

Kelsey

Dec 31, 2003 @ 8:58 pm

This episode was pretty good once I decided to mute the TV; the music was beyond annoying. Maybe next time they can do it without the annoying music.

icequeen1501

Dec 31, 2003 @ 8:58 pm

This silent episode was a cruel joke for me. I got to see the first five minutes of it and was all excited because this looked like a GQ AND Drab4-free episode but then I had to go to my friend's to set up for a party (it's later) so I turned on the station on my Walkman before remembering that, oh yeah, this is the stupid silent movie episode. All I could hear was the cheesy elevator music. Sigh. No Silent Episode for me.

Resmudge

Dec 31, 2003 @ 9:30 pm

Cindi Rinehart (I think y'all know who she is because I've seen her discussed here before, although she's a local TV personality so I don't know why you would, but anyway . . . ) gave the results of her Best of 2003 poll today, and receiving most votes for Best Soap Couple overall was . . . Sonny and Carly! Yeah, I don't get it either. I don't even hate S&C, but best couple? Feh. Faith was voted Best Villianess and Dillon Best Newcomer, which could make you feel either better or worse, depending on how you look at it.

The only other thing on my soon-to-be-martini-soaked mind is why BBH gets so much screen time. He's not even a remotely appealing child and he adds nothing to any of the alleged storylines. Every time he's there rolling his eyes about something, it makes me nostalgic for the days when Tommy Hardy was a boy because we never saw him. Whenever Gail would go over to the Hardys' she'd ask, "where's Tommy?" and every single time Audrey would reply, "oh, he's in his room playing." Tommy went into his room, played there for 15 years, and came out a psychiatrist. Can't BBH at least go into the laundry room for a couple of years?

The XZFactor

Dec 31, 2003 @ 9:38 pm

Hallelujah! Finally I have internet access again. I haven't been able to visit this board in weeks. Just spent the last two hours catching up-and clutching my stomach in laughter the whole time. Let me just say a gallon of word to chezhdchick, merlin7, and starrynight5 for all your posts I've seen on the Zander/LiRic/Nem mess. In fact let me just be creepy and ask starrynight for her hand in cyber marriage. I've read your posts here and at the Schmildren-Shmospital board(I'm ZanderRules there) and it's like you post exactly what I would, right down to not exactly having a hate on for the Sam character or Kelly Monaco.

No surprise I'm completely on Zander's side in this situation. Like others have pointed out, I don't know why LiRic don't even want to broach the idea of joint custody of the baby. It makes me hate them even more than before this SL started. The idea that Ric is better daddy material than Zander is ridiculous. Yes, Zander works for Faith but it's not like he can't quit. Hell he told AVS!Emily his job meant nothing to him and she still tried to brow beat him out of his child's life. Liz thinks it's a-ok to hand her child over to Ric when he's really done nothing to earn her trust back but she doesn't even present Zander with an opportunity to turn his life around and work something out. And then when he won't hop to and give his kid away, she just assumes there's no way Zander could actually love and want his child. And letting Ric handle the reveal was wrong. Despite what Zander told her on the docks about not being able to count on him, she still claimed to care about him and yet she let Ric treat Zander as if he was some stranger off the street, trying to buy him off for his child. Geberous stipend?! Bloddy hell! I don't know what Liz was complaining about. Ric's lucky he didn't end up at the bottom of the harbor. Don't even get me started on the PirateDragQueen and his LipGlossed Princess. Their smug and self-righteous attitudes are absolutely sickening. They have no business in this SL anyway. Who asked her to stick her saintly ass in the middle? And then she gets huffy because the ex-husband, she screwed over literally, doesn't immediately give in to her selfish demands.

ITD that Zander is a character that never takes responisibility for his actions. He takes for too much responisibility for things sometimes, and is always punishing himself. He screws up, no doubt, but he always hurts himself the most. Which is why, as much as I hate this SL, I like that Zander isn't taking crap anymore and dishing it back out. At this point Zander could walk up to Nem and plug him both and I'd cheer him on. But most assuredly this is character assassination. And IMO that really can't be compared to what happened with Ric and the panic room. Ric was a new character still basically at that point, whose character hadn't really been established. He was just a mishmash. So even though the panic room was stupid and crappy you couldn't really point to it and go 'But Ric would never do that.' After over three years on the show, you can definitely say that about what they're going to have Zander do. He would fight for his baby to the death and would never use it, even to get much justified revenge against his enemies. But once again, Zander didn't start this. Ric and Liz are the ones who decided Zander should give up all rights to his child. This wasn't his idea.

I don't care what the rat bastards in charge have Zander do next. I'll support him and root for him because Chad gives Zander such depth and humanity, without being given any help and he'll come out of this with his dignity in tact, and maybe Zander's as well.

As for today's show I'll say it was millions of miles above the suckitude of last year's New Year's Eve eppy and the Corky Thanksgiving Vortex of Horror. But after having seen OLTL's recent fantasy this ep reeked in comparison. And was barely enjoyable on it's own. Granted, I only saw half of it(I had more pressing concerns like clipping my toenails) but still it didn't seem fun at all. It was grasping to be funny and wasn't most of the time. And IMO parody isn't funny if it's basically the same as the norm, which this was. Maybe it's because I don't particularly love the Dillon character, but no episode should revolve around one character. And I just felt embarrassed for NLG. Second year in the row that they've made fun of her by portraying her as some sexless, dowdy ninny. In a way I'm glad CB wasn't in this one or the others before it. I really cringed when I thought he was one of the bumbling cops. Better to be ignored than to appear in the crap. Then again, that probably stands for regular every day episodes, too.

KerleyQ

Dec 31, 2003 @ 10:12 pm

They gave me my keystone cops!!

And I would just like to add that I am currently watching the episode of South Park featuring--you guessed it--the Chewbacca Defense. I'm just laughing my ass off because this is actually a better trial than Sonny's was.

Kwyjibo

Dec 31, 2003 @ 10:24 pm

Hi everyone. I've lurked for a very long time. I just wanted to say it is really crappy, nasty, dirty, ugly, and many other unmentionable words that Nik and NotEmily made Zander's refusal to hand over his rights to his child to Liz and Ric ALL ABOUT THEM. Yes, that's right, morons. The man is only holding out on giving up his child to get revenge on YOU. Not that he'd want to, oh I don't know, raise his child or be a father or anything. Nope, he just wants to get back at YOU. Poor YOU. Emily, do you get all, um, like, um, dizzy with the world spinning like all around you and stuff?

Which made me even angrier when he went to Lic (I refuse to call them LiRic) at the casino and gave up. Let the character assassinations continue.

Sorry..rant over.

merlin7

Dec 31, 2003 @ 10:40 pm

kwyjibo

Excellent post. But..um..you mean it's NOT all about UMILY? WOW! LOL

xzfactor

I've totally missed you and another round of WORD back atcha. Zander can plug almost everyone in GH and I'll be cheering him on! LOL

superdiva80

Dec 31, 2003 @ 10:50 pm

I was perplexed by the silent episode since it was alot of the same crap we always see just silent. There were a couple twists but nothing special. Plus the music gave me a headache. I thought some of the women looked gorgeous in those costumes but overall it was very disapointing. They could have come up with something alot better.

ciarra

Dec 31, 2003 @ 11:32 pm

Where's high tide when you could really use it?

jenmarie

Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:58 am

File this under: You've Got to be Fucking Kidding Me! or I Know He Just Didn't Say That! He Did? Oh Fuck.

Spoilerish stuff from GHH2:

Ted King, in SID, talks about Carly coming to see Lorenzo in the panic room, "I'm thrilled to see her because I think she's coming to rescue me. But she's holding a gun when she walks in. That changes everything. I'm in the position she was in a few months ago. So she gets a chance to get revenge on me if she wants it. There have been a few disappointments for Alcazar, but he keeps coming back after every one. That's love, isn't it?"

Referring to their kiss, "Damage was done to the part of her brain that controls sexuality....and she makes sure that I know that. The way I think it plays out is that she's starting to be open about her real feelings and then, when things get too close between the two of them, that becomes her cover. That's when she says, 'I don't really feel that way. It's because of my brain damage. It's not really really that I have feelings for you.'.... But he's starting to know better."

Shaking my head in disbelief. First of all has it been proven that there's a part of the brain that controls sexuality? Did I miss a bulletin? Second of all she has to be damaged to want someone other than Sonny? WTF? Lastly, I didn't know being brain damaged meant having flashbacks of 70's bad porn automatically stored in the memory.

Rudywill

Jan 1, 2004 @ 8:53 am

jenmarie: The part of the brain you refer to is known in layman's terms as the Corinthos Cortex. Many neuro-sexperts agree that damage to the Sonny center of the brain, especially when penetrated by a bullet when giving birth. This has been known to cause coma-like hallucinations of another life and inexplicable urges to jump minimobsters while they open the mail. Experimental treatments to damage in the Sonny Center requires frequent exposure to broken crystal. It should be noted, however, that Cancer and Meningitis seemingly have no effect on this area of the brain, as evidenced by the simulataneous dream shmecking by our own Pwince and Pwincess of Wuw, twue wuw. -- Source, Journal of Mobster Neurology

captanne

Jan 1, 2004 @ 9:53 am

Good Morning, Oh, Snarkers of Delight!

Rudywill Couldya warn a woman before you write such brilliant and hilarious snark? I just snorted my morning CWW up my nose. (No, really, hair of the dog....I know it sounds disgusting but Mr. C and I got into the CWW last night and it's the only thing that I know of on New Year's Day that will cure what ails me. Now I just need a Hydrocodone.)

Welcome to kwyjiba and welcome back XZFactor! Now we just need to find GreekChorus and get Alkybabe to post more.

I'm totally on the Zander bandwagon. That poor guy. Upthread (I'm too lazy to look and all that mouse clicking hurts my head, hee) someone mentioned that the character assassination of Reek was easy to run with since the character was so new. We had no "nice Ric" to fall back on. (So to speak, get your minds out of the gutters!) So when Reek was reprehensible over and over and over and over we/I just rolled my eyes and said, "What a dick."

With Zander we have a whole, complete backstory and one really adorable love story with Amber Tamblyn's Emily. (I've been watching old GH and I really miss that child.) Remember the Pixie Sticks? Dumb. Trite. Silly. But, oh, so cute. And Zander turning his life around. Redeeming himself. Getting out of the drug business. Being genuinely sorry over a long period of time. (As opposed to someone else who says he will and within 15 minutes is skulking in corners and eavesdropping on people he "loves.") So, we do have a good Zander to look back on and say, "WTF? Zander is angry and hurt but he's still acting out of character."

Someone else mentioned a while ago that even when CB is in the background of a scene he's still engaged and totally in his role. That is so true. I've noticed it, too. For me, that's a real sign of professionalism.

Contrary to what I've written, I am not a huge Chad Brannon fan. I think he's fine. In acting and to look at. But he doesn't take my breath away. I hope he does really well whereever he's headed and that if things don't work out, Zander isn't so raped by TIIC that he can't come back and reprise the role.

On the flip side, Steve Burton does have moments of taking my breath away. I've been watching tapes from just before his accident and onward. My GOD his hospital scenes are almost always his best but these are just amazing. I totally buy the brain damage (unlike Carly's which is just contrived and ridiculous) and see the continuity built by the writers (?) from the beginning 'til now. I don't know the history of who wrote what when but from the very beginning they set up the Spidey Sense, his imperviousness to hot and cold, his uncanny knowledge of "things medical", and his ability to empathize with other peoples' feelings even though he doesn't have them himself. Compared to the "no imagination" idea, those are pretty subtle. I was amazed to have flashes of recognition when this dialogue happened:

Keesha Ward [at Jason's bedside]: Don't be sad, Jason.

J [bluntly]: I'm not. But you are.

Keesha stares like she's seen a ghost. She's been trying her best to be chipper and bright and he sees right through her.

The reason I say Carly's brain damage is ridiculous is that a)it happened over night; and b)rather than turning the main character into a dark hero, it's turned her into a nymphomaniac. Just one more way to objectify women and, rather than giving the serious injury of being shot in the head the gravity it deserves, they just make her a joke.

Nice.

But not really.

TFGH.

ETA: Thanks for the remedy, Rudywill! I just read a quote from Julia Roberts. Honestly. She says, "You have to find the right balance between champagne and carrot juice." Could I just stick with CWW and Hydrocodone? Lordy.

ANYway, I thought of another scene where Burton blew my socks off. There I am, not bothering anybody, bawling my eyes out while Mac gives Robin the quilt square for the NAMES Quilt in Stone's honour....and just everybody is crying.....including me......and Jason goes on the stage and carries Robin off.

Good GAWD, people. That was some great stuff.

SSteacher

Jan 1, 2004 @ 9:59 am

Hello everyone, My name is Nan and I recently joined TWoP. I am a diehard S&C fan who is just absolutely flabberghasted that the show would actually try to put Carly with a man that kidnapped, stalked and sexually assaulted her. that is just unreal to me.

I hope that I can post with you all from time to time and I hope you all have a Happy New Year.

SSteacher

Jan 1, 2004 @ 10:02 am

Jean-Marie, I was absolutely stunned when I read those comments. All I could do was laugh because on what planet is a kidnapper, stalker and sexual assaulter "romantic". That is absolutely ridiculous!

Rudywill

Jan 1, 2004 @ 10:35 am

Captanne , why are you surprised that the magic bullet caused such a transformation? Don't you realize that all women are either whores, sluts or tramps? Or they exist merely to clean up crystal or change diapers (Leticia, I'm looking at you...) [OT] drink a lot of water today too - the headache is most likely from dehydration. But the hydrocodone will be a lot more fun...and addictive! Whee...[OT]

SSteacher, as a "die-hard" S&C fan, can you justify the fact that Sonny shot Carly in the head while she was giving birth to their child? Or are you going to rehash the Chewbacca defense?? Or was the use of "die-hard" the snarkiest or snarks, because then I would bow to you... pssst - in case you didn't hear...Alexis gave birth to Sonny's baby and didn't get shot in the head

As for TPTB putting Carly with Lorenzo, is it any worse than the abuse heaped on her by Sonny? The mere fact that Sonny removes himself from the situation when he discusses how she "got shot" as if it were a random drive-by or something. Lorenzo's no bargain, but on this show, who is? All the good guys have gotten their characters annihilated to fluff the Drabs. TFGH....

ETA: I mean fluff in the porn sense, as opposed to fluffing a pillow, a cloud, freshly laundered socks or that lovely marshmallow goo in a jar. Oh and Captanne, FWIW, I used to be a fan of Big Steve too, after the reindeer sweater years. I thought that his new life and brain injury would be some excellent raw material. But that potential has also been ruined - that, and the fact that he no longer goes shirtless...*sigh* pass the hydrocodone...

SSteacher

Jan 1, 2004 @ 11:03 am

Rudywill, I am a die-hard S&C fan and there is no snarkiness behind that. And while I thought it was the dumbest plot point that Sonny shot Carly, it was an accident. He wasn't trying to shoot her. He was shooting at Alcazar who didn't have the decency to accept the bullet and not let it go anywhere LOL. However, I'd rather see Carly alone with her kids and starting her life over again than to see her with Alcazar. I don't blindly excuse the things that Sonny has done, but what he has done is nowhere close to the things that Alcazar has done to Carly. Sonny may have accidently shot her in the head, but he never helped a man clearly out of his mind keep her chained to a wall in a panic room, he never kidnapped her twice for nefarious reasons, he's never blown up a limo in front of her child, he's never stalked her or sexually assaulted her, he's never paid a woman or man to pretend like they are a ghost to destroy her marriage, and he's never killed a man in cold blood to cover up a crime that he's committed against Carly.

Alcazar is a pyscho stalker, Sonny is not. While Sonny has his faults, Alcazar is 10 times worse.

captanne

Jan 1, 2004 @ 11:05 am

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Shirtless Steven.

Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

We now return you to your regular programming.

Rudywill

Jan 1, 2004 @ 11:49 am

Easy there Nan, there is nothing personal behind my post, just simply pointing out a difference of opinion. There are a few S&C fans around these parts and everyone seems to get along just fine. And no snarkiness, not ever?? What's the fun in that??? And as far as I'm concerned it's six on one hand half a dozen on the other when it comes to the men on GH

Captanne - did the visions of Shirtless Steve do anything to rid you of that headache **tries not to imagine Captanne jumping Mr. Captanne while he opens the mail because of the nefarious vision implanted in the Sonny center of her brain...**

captanne

Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:03 pm

Mr. Captanne has never been so lucky in his life. Except that he isn't parading me around in the all together while psuedo-stalking-would-be-lovers appear at the front door. Then I might have to shoot him in the head.

Welcome, SSTeacher! I must admit I agree with your assessment of Stalker-but-undeniably-hot!Lorrrrrrenzo. Poor Sonny. When did TIIC turn him into such an asshat, though?

SSteacher

Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:04 pm

Rudywill, I didn't take your post personally, I'm sorry if you thought I did. I was just explaining how I feel about Sonny and Carly and why Alcazar should NOT be an option on this planet or in this universe or anywhere else LOL.

SSteacher

Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:06 pm

Thanks Captanne. You would not believe the Alcazar hate I have lurking in the depths of my tortured soul LOL. So much so that I have had to turn on the show for a while. I hope things get better soon though.

starrynight5

Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:09 pm

Welcome SSteacher! (And XYFactor!)

Glad to see there's some different opinions floating around on the board. I myself am not an S&C fan, but I can see both your and Rudywill's POV.

However, I do want to point out that Sonny's got to be an idiot not to realize that if you point a gun at someone from four feet away and fire, the bullet will likely to go right through them and hit the body behind them. Now I know, Sonny's upset, yadda, yadda, but that was his pregnant wife there. He needs to stay home more and watch a little CSI, you know?

GOOOOOOO SEICHE!

ETA: To correct any confusion that I'm questioning the intelligence of any of these delightful fellow snarkers. Not so! Just Sonny's.

Rudywill, I'd love to see Grissom investigate ANY of the crimes perpetrated on TFGH. Just the thought of his geekoid look of total incredulity and confusion at the fact that NO ONE cares about his findings would crack my shit up. Kinda like Dr. Meadows and her Glare of Displeasure ™.

SoapQueen89

Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:10 pm

Sonny's been doing bad since he got Karen on drugs and had her strip at his club, he has ordered hits on his enemies since he's been on the canvas and Jason does the dirty work.

On a show where the mad men and the criminals are glorified there isn't much a resident of PC can do and not get a pat on the back for a job well done. Shooting your wife in the head has got to be dumbest thing Sonny's done, and I heard he conveniently forgot to to tell anyone that HE did it. Typical .. everyone else's fault but Sonny's.

I have never been an S&C fan .. actually I hope Carly leaves his sorry butt and takes her children with her. She should of done that a very long time ago .. I just see an abusive man trying to control his wife. He can love her all he wants, but no one deserves to be treated the way Carly has been treated by Sonny.

Steve Burton has his moments - Robin and Jason on the bridge when she says goodbye and goes to Paris, Jason & Carly, Jason & Emily, Jason & Monica .. Steve has blown me away in certain instances .. But Chad blows me away every day he's on my screen.

Rudywill

Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:28 pm

SSteacher - I think that the destruction of Alcazar's character is almost complete. I agree that he is pure eeeevil, and think that at this point, bringing out the CarLo would be akin to beating the horse after it was shot in the head while foaling . The time would have been when he got her out of the panic room. If Zander can kidnap Emily and she lurrved him (until that is, she met a man with a bigger...makeup case than hers), if Luke can rape Laura and theirs was a love brighter than the light of ten thousand suns.... dear lord, why do I watch this crap? LOL

I used to like Sonny. Even when he was making Karen strip (hangs head in shame); even when he was awful to Brenda and then Lily (clink, boom, awesome). When he was written as a multi-dimensional character who wasn't supposed to be a good guy by any stretch of the imagination. But I can only imagine what it would have been like if Sean Donnelly cornered Sonny and put a metal tipped snakeskin cowboy boot (I figure he was the type) in his ass once and for all....Anyone care to join me on this deck of the ship? We will be departing for 1988....

starrynight, can you imagine the scene of the birthing bullet done CSI style? But the writers would have shown Lorenzo reaching into his sucking chest wound, pull out the bullet and lodge it into Carly's head on his own, thereby aquitting Sonny....who takes his street acquired legal knowledge and runs for DA. It could happen.....

Bach-us

Jan 1, 2004 @ 1:04 pm

SSTeacher, welcome! You mustn't sign your posts here. You'll get in trouble with the mods if you keep doing that. Have a look at this too.

The music for the silent episode was mostly themes from famous 19th century piano music. I recognized a couple of Chopin etudes (the "Revolutionary" and the "Winter Wind"). If you didn't like the music, don't assume that means that you don't like Chopin. This was incredibly badly played. There was no rubato and barely any expression. The performance was perfunctory and positively metronomic. I'd assume a robot were playing the piano except we didn't hear clicking as the metallic fingers tapped the keys.

As a Lane fan, I missed his voice terribly during the silent episode. About the earlier comments re: his recurring role on L&C, his best work was in the fourth season when he played two different characters who were reincarnations (actually, pre-incarnations à la Constance Q) of the Tempus character. That was his favorite episode, too, because he got to shoot six-guns and ride horses. I was hoping he might have the same opportunity during the silent movie, but alas and alack, the budget cuts…

I like Chad's acting (and the pretty he brings) more than I like Zander. I'll be keeping an eye out for him after he and Lane are gone and I don't have to FF through this crap show just for a few minutes of Lane a week.

merlin7

Jan 1, 2004 @ 1:11 pm

I'm just gonna WORD Soap

Cause I big OLE Ditto everything she posted. About Sonny and about Steve and of course about Chad.

Bach-us

I loved that L&C ep too. Loved Lane as Tempest.

I'm so bitter that TIIC pulled Zander's back story.

Chad and Lane ROCKED THE HOUSE in Jan. And I bet that's why it was pulled. A REAL father and son SL with to incredible actors was stealing the spotlight from..well you all know WHO!

What could have been just makes me mad/bitter and sad.

Lane and Chad going at it even once a week and telling the story WHY Cam would let his son spend five years wallowing in guilt would have been amazing to watch.

Watching them hate each other. Come together. Watching Cameron regret what he did and try to reach out to Zander. Watching Zander blow him off yet regret it and so on...That is MUST SEE TV. Which is something GH will never be again. So..we didn't get it. We got NUM and NON CAMEXIS instead.

SSteacher

Jan 1, 2004 @ 1:30 pm

Thanks Bach-us! I will try to remember not to do that. It's a habit from posting other boards.

jenmarie

Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:01 pm

Rudywill, BWAH, to your Journal of Mobster Neurology! I love that! I still can't believe that the writers are actually going with: She's brain damaged so now she's horny. She's brain damaged so that's the only explanation as to why she could want anyone other than Sonny. I personally think a person has to be brain damaged to want Sonny in the first place, but that's just my opinion.

I'm going to watch the silent movie episode again this weekend on mute, maybe my opinion will change about it, we'll see.

I don't think anything Alcazar is done is any worse than anything Sonny's ever done. Alcazar's killed people, so has Sonny. Alcazar kidnapped Carly, Sonny kidnapped A.J. and hung him on a meathook until A.J. gave him what he wanted. They're both assholes, but at least Alcazar is mucho sexy. Sonny not so much.

Chad and Lane ROCKED THE HOUSE in Jan. And I bet that's why it was pulled. A REAL father and son SL with to incredible actors was stealing the spotlight from..well you all know WHO!

Word.

Sonny....who takes his street acquired legal knowledge and runs for DA. It could happen.....

ARGH! Don't say that. It might be really funny though. Sonny calls the medical examiner to the stand and proceeds to question him but gets mad and says:

"Stop using big words! I can't understand you! Speak english!"

I'd assume a robot were playing the piano except we didn't hear clicking as the metallic fingers tapped the keys.

I didn't know Jason played the piano.

chezhdchick

Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:03 pm

have never been an S&C fan .. actually I hope Carly leaves his sorry butt and takes her children with her. She should of done that a very long time ago .. I just see an abusive man trying to control his wife. He can love her all he wants, but no one deserves to be treated the way Carly has been treated by Sonny.

WORD. And I cannot buy into the fact that Alcazar is pure evil (he's bad, but I find Sonny worse), or that a stolen kiss on the dock of a ship is akin to sexual assault. I think Ric telling Carly that they had sex while she was drugged and passed out is more of an "assault." Kind of "mind raping" her, if you will. I also find having your husband shoot you in the head while giving birth to your child about a thousand times more offensive than Alky's obsession. Not to mention years of treating Carly like crap by ordering her out of rooms, calling her a slut or a whore, throwing glass, leaving her when she's pregnant, screaming "YOU BETRAYED ME" every five seconds when she even speaks to some other man (yet, it is perfectly acceptable for Sonny to give his ex-girlfriend a throat culture with his tongue on the docks, conceive a child with his attorney, and obsess about his dead ex-wife's ghost). How about CARLY feeling betrayed in those instances? God forbid in Pruzaland, I guess.

I actually used to like S&C, but after years of watching that greasy little putz abuse Carly, I want her O-U-T of that relationship and away from Sonny's obsessive, smothering, misogynistic version of "love."

I'm so bitter that TIIC pulled Zander's back story.

Chad and Lane ROCKED THE HOUSE in Jan. And I bet that's why it was pulled. A REAL father and son SL with to incredible actors was stealing the spotlight from..well you all know WHO!

Joining you, as always merlin on the bitter Zander fan side of the barge, where the tequila is being free poured by nekkid Chad and the candy dishes are always full of chocolate and pretty little "candies" from the pharmacy. The dart boards have photos of Pruza, Frons and Jill, on them, and we play Pin the Missing Gonads on the Alpha Males. The Pruza Fave stuporcouple, NUM, voodoo dolls are also available for sticking with pins into (after applying clown make-up, of course).

Actually, after the "generous stipend" siutation, I'm thinking that Lic (thank you to whoever made up the wonderful alternative to LiRic) gets their faces on the billiard balls on the pool table so we can whack at them regularly, too.

JohnnysAngel

Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:06 pm

Greetings, SSteacher! I'm one of the very few Sonny fans 'round these parts, and I agree totally with your assessment about Alcazar, and how Sonny, even though he exercises bad judgment sometimes, is motivated by love for his family and the desire to keep them safe at all costs, even at the cost of his own life if necessary. Alcazar is just a stringy-haired caveman motivated by what he selfishly wants. "Oooh, pretty woman. Me want woman. Me follow her and take her away." Sad, really, because Ted King actually is a good actor and has the potential to be truly warm, funny and charming (that backgammon game on the yacht, etc.), but it's mostly wasted.

OTOH, Ric's pathetic antics don't bother me as much, even though he's worse than Alcazar, because Rick Hearst is more mediocre, to me, so there's no big talent there to tragically go to waste. (No offense to the RH fans, he just doesn't do anything at all for me...)

Sabretooth

Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:08 pm

Wow. 6 pages of posts in 24 hours. And all bringing the snark.

Regarding the Zander/Liz/Ric situation (I'm refusing to call it a conflict since its so one sided) I found a quote in my quotebook from the days of the BBH cutody battle. Bobbie told Carly "Children are not raised by the most qualified contenders. Children are raised by their parents." Maybe Guza and Co. should go back and revisit this idea, that maybe Zander has rights to his child. Being a mondo-fuckup as Zander is written to be shouldn't exclude him from the child's life. Ric's occupation doesn't make him more saintly than Zander. Like someone said earlier upthread, Zander is Faith's version of Jason, but with a little more common sense. Why is Zander bad and Jason good? It boggles the mind!

Grasshopper

Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:18 pm

Jenmarie, the frontal lope controlls must of all sexual tendecies. Though not to the point that they would cause us to be attracted to another person. If she really had damage to that area Carly would be wanting to fuck everything and anything that stands in front of her. I actully watch studies on this and I can say that it is nothing like what they are showing on the screen.
I haven't watch the show in a long while, and even Jason's brain damage dosen't really make that much sense.

SoapQueen89

Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:23 pm

Like someone said earlier upthread, Zander is Faith's version of Jason, but with a little more common sense. Why is Zander bad and Jason good? It boggles the mind!

1. Jason has brain damage and walks on water 2. Zander's been written as the punk kid who makes the bad choices on impulse and doesn't think before he acts .. Kinda like Carly.

ONE reason why they should of done Zarly! Zander and Carly are from the same cloth ... both impulsive, both reckless, both don't think about the consequences before they act out.

I truly wish Jason didn't come back, Sonny died and Carly found herself having more feelings for Zander then just friendship. The 6 months of Zarly was pure heaven for me! They were hot, sexy, intense, fun, and they made each other laugh .. and it's been a long time since I saw Zander and Carly both laugh like that.

TPTB missed a golden opportunity with Zarly! Pity .. cause it could of been great if given half the chance.

starrynight5

Jan 1, 2004 @ 2:37 pm

Sonny, even though he exercises bad judgment sometimes, is motivated by love for his family and the desire to keep them safe at all costs, even at the cost of his own life if necessary. Alcazar is just a stringy-haired caveman motivated by what he selfishly wants. "Oooh, pretty woman. Me want woman. Me follow her and take her away."

Me no see the difference. Especially when Sonny shoots his pregnant wife in the head instead of just grabbing Alky off her and beating the crap out of him. Or when he shoots the guy point-blank, not for kidnapping his wife or sister, but because his wife had DREAMS about Alcazar in the come-induced state Sonny put her in.

And, um, didn't Sonny do this with Brenda? Didn't he follow her around incessantly, "assault" her with kisses and drag someone else's throught-to-be-deceased wife back from the dead? Wasn't he pretty much a stalking bastard once upon a time? Just sayin'. No one's the better man here.

ciarra

Jan 1, 2004 @ 3:32 pm

Anyone else think that Sage bore a striking resemblance to Lucy in the silent picture episode? NuSpice's pointy nose and the way she smiled reminded me of Lucy. Maybe I just need more medication. I also thought they spelled "villainy" wrong in the subtitles, but I couldn't bother rewinding the crap to make sure.

kariyaki

Jan 1, 2004 @ 3:42 pm

I actually thought Tarragon looked disturbingly like Felicia, myself.

Chenin

Jan 1, 2004 @ 4:20 pm

ANYway, I thought of another scene where Burton blew my socks off. There I am, not bothering anybody, bawling my eyes out while Mac gives Robin the quilt square for the NAMES Quilt in Stone's honour....and just everybody is crying.....including me......and Jason goes on the stage and carries Robin off.

Good GAWD, people. That was some great stuff.

That was some great stuff! I miss that Jason, I miss loving the character instead of dreading everytime he's on screen. Damn tptb for ruining such a fantastic character, starting with the Opie Opus.

starrynight5

Jan 1, 2004 @ 4:38 pm

I think the Louise Brooks' hairdo really suited Ho!Spice. Better than that stringy Joey Potter-esque mop. But she was really terrrrible.

Word to whoever mentioned LL's beauty in black-and-white. She just looked gorgeous, but didn't seem to get the whole "silent film" concept of acting with your body. Still, she was so purdy.

As was NL, who truly looks like a classic 1920s movie star. It's funny, but I find she does way better with body language and absolutely no dialogue. And no snark intended. Honest.

jenmarie

Jan 1, 2004 @ 4:40 pm

Thanks Grasshopper, for clearing that up for me. Me no so smart when it comes to biology. Hee! I knew there was a part of the brain that controlled sexual impulses, but when people say sexuality I think about sexual identity. Also I would think that either Carly would want to have sex with everything like you said or she have no sexual feelings at all. I wouldn't think that stupid flashbacks with the Purple Light of Pornography would be something that's automatically triggered by brain damage. Then again it was The Bullet of Love, I guess it had more power than we originally thought.

starrynight5

Jan 1, 2004 @ 5:06 pm

Also I would think that either Carly would want to have sex with everything like you said or she have no sexual feelings at all.

The whole idea of this as an actual SL just cracks my shit up, especially since Nympho!Carly was totally her MO when she first hit Port Chuckles. Can you imagine her getting it on with Leticia in the nursery? Jumping Jason in the Penthouse? Or grabbing Courtney upstairs at Kelly's? Sick, but still . . . BWAHAHAHA!

merlin7

Jan 1, 2004 @ 5:41 pm

Zarly was just awesome. Some NUM fans like to insist that Zander isn't being demonized so they can shine brightly. But that TIIC never knew how to write for Zander and that he wasn't worthy/couldn't carry a SL!

REALLY? The Zander/Cameron back story did well.

LaZer was a go and the fans both Liason and ZEM quashed it. And what sucks about that is that both Becky and Chad paid for that because it was never gonna be LIASON! JIP was the plan and JIP we got.

ZARLY was great. GaP returned and killed it. ASAP!

Nu ZEM could have worked and I bet would have but GaP's other hard on fave, TC, came back and BOOM!

Zander could fit anywhere, and did, thanks to Chad. That's what makes me bitter about Zarly but even more so about the Zander/Cam stuff. That was gold. And if TIIC had just ONCE Followed through on the SL's Chad was in, they would have made it. If they had given a Zander SL the time they're giving NUM and JAM, neither of which have kicked off on their own....and never will...then Chad would have stolen the spotlight. He already was even as the idiot kid doing idiot things to prop the other players.

Zander was supposed to leave in six weeks. Chad is the reason Zander stayed. No one propped Zander. No one created a buzz. Chad got that all on his own and TIIC wasted it.

I'm bitter, but happy as hell he's going.

I have all my Zander edits and Chad got to do some amazing stuff with Zander.

Sexy/hot/tender love scenes. He got to play a teen and grow from there. He got to be a messed up/wild kid with a heart of gold. He showed us true love. Heartache. A shattered soul. He showed us a character so messed up but who still loved with everything he is. Who cared with everything he is.

We saw Zander beat up, and nobody does physical pain better.

And Zander in restraints, be they cuffs or hospital restraints. And he was damn sexy too.

We saw Zander in suits. Zander kissing/loving gorgeous women.
Zander breaking our hearts with a pay phone. Overdosing. Angry. Scared. In love. Heartbroken and the list goes on. Now DARK and hopefully he'll fuck over everyone who fucked him. And it's a long list. Zander never betrayed the people he cared about/loved. But every single one of them screwed him in return.

Chad gave his all from day one. I'm gonna miss Zander, but Chad is gonna make it big and I can't wait.

Okay..I'm off my soap box! LOL

And Chez..I'm joining your party. And drooling over Nekkid Zander! LOL
Oh yeah...Chad gave us lots of HOT BOOTY Shots too! HEe

And the hair. YUMMY hair. Long and short. Heeeeee

Oh..and he made me laugh and cry. It don't get no better than that.

TrampForVamps

Jan 1, 2004 @ 6:56 pm

If I were the type to make New Year's resolutions, I'd put weaning myself off of this show before I burst a blood vessel in my brain (which probably feels similar to being shot in the head while giving birth, come to think of it) at the top of my list.

What's going on with Zander and the baby is just the end. The absolute, living end. I know it's a soap, but it still has to be somewhat grounded in reality. And I'm talking about a show that once had an alien from outer space as a main character, ok? That was more believable that this junk.

If anyone has the right to be suspicious of someone's parenting skills, it should be Zander towards Ric. And I like Ric! But what he did in six months can't compare to anything Zander's done in his whole life. Ric was ready to kill a woman for her child. He let Liz drink poisoned lemonade and she almost died because of it. He was ready to smother Liz himself to avoid getting caught. That's a lot worse that Zander standing around in a suit behind Faith, clenching his jaw and trying to look tough.

This all-or-nothing baby plot makes no sense. Why should Zander have to sign away his paternal rights completely? Have these people never heard of visitation?

In my opinion, Zander showed he was a good man by not punching Emily dead in the mouth the other day when she mewled that Zander shouldn't continue the loveless cycle that he had with his father. First of all, that was a tacky statement on Emily's part for a whole lot of reasons. Secondly, her 41 IQ brain is not considering the other side of the story: how is the child going to feel knowing his father signed away all his rights the moment he learned he (or she) was going to be born? I think I might feel a wee bit unwanted and unloved in that situation myself.

For Fan February, I wish we could have a "Slap the 'Um' out of Emily Day". If I could get that, it would be like Christmas all over again.

SoapQueen89

Jan 1, 2004 @ 7:44 pm

Yeah someone needs to open a can of whoop ass on her and right quick! Emily needs to be taken down a peg or two!

merlin7

Jan 1, 2004 @ 7:48 pm

TrampforVamps

Please don't take this the wrong way but I LOVE YOU! :D

A big ole Wordity Mc WORD to the nth for your post.

No matter what GH tries to do I will NEVER get over the fact that Sonny, a mobster, who MUST KNOW how guns work, SHOT Alky in the back..in the BACK no less and he's HONORABLE? Knowing that Alky was leaning over his WIFE!

And then he shot the guy again and got away with it both times. And he has insulted Carly repeatedly. Treated her with absolutely NO RESPECT *And Carly understands what respect is. She got that from ZANDER* Respect and loyalty and someone who listened to her and valued her opinion. Then she goes back to SONNY? Carly needs therapy more than Sonny and Ric combined do.

Zander needs it too. He suffers from a type of battered wife syndrome himself.
It's sad. Zarly were good for each other...*sigh*..sorry..back to the point I was making. Or rather, rant I was making.

Sonny does that and he's a GOOD Mobster. Misunderstood? Blah blah.
The crap he spouted at Sam when he KIDNAPPED her made me ill.

KIDNAPPED! Yeah..like Zander kidnapped Emily. DIFFERENCE being. Sonny is a GROWN adult. He had just SHOT a man for the second time. He grabbed her to make his escape, fearing for his life/freedom..I assume. And yeah..poor poor Sonny and his claustrophobia. BLECH!

Zander was a TEENAGER when he grabbed Emily. A teenager who sold drugs but I let that go for several reasons. One...we know his background, HELLO CAM YOU ASSWIPE!

Two...he was SET UP to take the fall for murdering a COP! Something Lucky and Nik did to him. He did TIME for his crimes. Yeah..a teenage kid with way bigger balls than SONNY. WHo treated your wife WAY BETTER! Who dared to STAND UP TO YOU, little man . And so you've wanted to take him out/down ever since. GAG!

BUT. I'm supposed to believe that Zander is bad/evil/rotten father material?

Sonny has the LOVE of his wife. His fears of Alcky are unfounded in spite of Carly's so called injuries.

Zander had EMILY to shatter him/lie to him/betray him in everyway. But he's a BAD guy and Sonny is misunderstood? Carly never betrayed you. You shot her in the HEAD and she's messed up because of it, little man.

EMILY on the other hand did what she did KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY! I'm not a big Carly fan since Zarly was dissolved. Chad made me like TB. She was way better with him. But I love Carly compared to Emily. I feel Carly's pain. How she's actually TORN and doesn't want to hurt Sonny but she has an actual PHYSICAL reason for what she feels.

EMILY doesn't and she's now a self righteous bitch who not only ripped out Zander's heart for the sake of TWUE WUV. But now she pours salt in the gaping wound over and over again and gets MIFFED when Zander is cold to her?

I'm sorry..I rather lost track of my rant. But I feel better now !LOL

And I won't even go into Ric vs Zander as a better choice for father. I'll just read the great posts y'all are posting! LOL

Rudywill

Jan 1, 2004 @ 9:22 pm

No matter what GH tries to do I will NEVER get over the fact that Sonny, a mobster, who MUST KNOW how guns work, SHOT Alky in the back..in the BACK no less and he's HONORABLE? Knowing that Alky was leaning over his WIFE!

merlin, Sonny's reason was very simple, he thought that Alky was getting all excited by seeing Carly in all her nekkid spendor (by this I mean on a table grunting as she pushes out a baby) ...cause lord knows that Carly's magic vagina was forefront on Alky's mind at the time. I mean, its the middle of a freakin hurricane, in an abandoned house, the woman he *snerk* loves has a history of postpartum hemmorage AND the baby was supposed to have a HOLE IN ITS HEART. But no, Sonny reaches high over his wee widdle head for the doorknob and sees his wife exposed to that man, so she must be CHEATING (cause she's a slut, whore AND a tramp).... leaving him with no other option but to put a bullet into her head via Alky's back.

Cause, elbowing him out of the way would have been too difficult. He could have sent in Courtney first and she would have beaten the tar out of Alky and whelped that pup with one hand tied behind her back.

ETA: You'd think that if Zander was true to character, he'd be trying to convince Liz of Ric's instability and would be trying to raise the baby WITH her. If a good writer had this, we could see a story of a woman coming to terms with an abusive psychopath husband - with two possible outcomes, the true redemption of Ric OR his further descent into insanity and criminal behavior and the slow build of a really good love story. It has all the elements of "good" soap - if only there was someone to write it..... I hope "One Good Writer" is reading this and can smack some sense into Fronzapallooser...

Gibasi

Jan 1, 2004 @ 9:32 pm

I absolutely loved Zander and Carly! I like Carly all right when she manages to get away from Sonny but with Zander she shone. He treated her so respectfully, as if she were smart and her opinions mattered. He enjoyed her company. Zander treated Carly as an equal. They were friends to each other and I was so upset when Zarly was killed. I wasn't on-line then and didn't know what to think. I was a dumb and naive viewer. Silly me thought Zarly had a chance. I didn't know that it was going to become a trend with TPTB and Zander. Who would have thought that a character with so much potential in terms of angst and a mysterious past would prove to be too difficult for the shitty writers. And they have Chad portraying Zander. As others have said, he has never failed to give a stellar performance. He does not phone it in and has never behaved less than professionally in interviews or appearances. You will not hear him bad mouthing other actors or the writers (SBu comes immediately to mind). Even when he was not on the show for months at a time he was on his official site encouraging the viewers to keep watching because GH was worth it. The guy has class. If I ran a company I would want Chad as an employee. If I had a sports team I would want Chad as a player. If I had a soap I would want Chad as a performer. Only on TFGH do they not recognize the gem before them.

Bach-us

Jan 1, 2004 @ 10:42 pm

If I ran a company I would want Chad as an employee. If I had a sports team I would want Chad as a player. If I had a soap I would want Chad as a performer. Only on TFGH do they not recognize the gem before them.

Exactly, Gibasi why the Mistletoe Massacre (great name!) destroyed what little respect I had for this production. Given good, loyal and professional workers, a company would naturally reward them for good, loyal and professional work to give an incentive to others. It would keep them as long as possible for an example to others and also to improve new workers' skills (as the guy who plays Dillon said John Ingle and Jane Elliot do for him). What do the ABC soaps do? Fire their asses! Prop, fluff and retain the ones who deliver sub-standard work, talk unprofessionally about coworkers and counter the best efforts of newcomers (this one goes out to ALW and her eye-roll of Anti-Chemistry).

There's a reason I give my tv the finger so much while watching the opening credits.

TFGH.

Eta congratulations and Genoan Deck Christmas presents for captanne. Sorry about the mullet.

captanne

Jan 1, 2004 @ 11:50 pm

Ooo! Speedo heaven! Hee! Thank you!

Now really, aren't Speedos great?

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