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I remember when the SATs were first ever mentioned on the show, Dylan told Brenda that he was not taking his SATs until the Senior year-gotta love the continuity!

I must say, I saw the early years after the later years-I started tuning in Senior year when Dylan had to pick. Now seeing the early years, the Brenda/Dylan romance moved me to tears a few times with all the angst and passion going on. They barely showed the Dylan/Kelly romance building, though you knew it was happening. In the end, Kelly reuniting with Dylan seemed natural, but my heart broke for Matt when he is telling Kelly that he finally accepted those two but would not get over it for a long time. This was at Donna and David's wedding, when Matt said to Kelly: "I don't understand this. This was supposed to be us getting married." or something like that. I just went "OUCH!" for him when that happened!

I think that's exactly why a lot of people think that Brenda/Dylan is by far the best 90210 couple. It wasn't contrived and you could really feel the passion between the characters. Kelly and Dylan never had the passion or spark that Brenda and Dylan had on camera. Personally, I also think this also has a bit to do with the relative acting chops of Shannen and Jeannie. Shannen may have been a bit of a bitch onset or whatever, but I think she's a much more diverse actress than Jeannie ever was/is. She totally conveyed the excitement, desire and nervousness of Brenda wanting to get together with Dylan. Kelly just seemed like a bit of a bitchy 'ho', who was making moves on her best friend's guy.

Shannen started acting a lot younger than Jennie ever did, so that is probably why at the time, Shannen was a better actress than Jennie was in 1991/1992/1993. Jennie got better as the years went on and made Kelly more deadpan and sardonic than just the bitchy rich girl.

Also, Kelly didn't plan to snag Dylan; Kelly at the time, was of course seeing Jake behind her mother's back, and then he dumped her because he too old for her, and she and Dylan just sorta found their way together. I felt that sometimes Kelly and Dylan had passion; that scene in the pool together was their signature moment.

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No. Which may suprise some, since he got around so damn much, but he dumped her before they could've done that, he didn't want her to get hurt.

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I'll have to disagree on that one. Example: the slumber party episode was amazing. When Jeannie told about Kelly's first time, I was really touched. Of course, that was before I started hating Kelly. Jeannie knocked that scene out of the ballpark (imo).

I forgot about that scene, yes I agree, Jennie was wonderful, and that was like in November 1990. She did show some acting chops there.

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I'll join the Brenda/Dylan club here. But, I never liked Kelly. At all. I especially hated her during the Val years, where for some reason Kelly felt she had the right to treat Val like dirt all the time, often with no legitimate reason. It was always humorous to hear Kelly call Val a slut-because God knows, Kelly sure didn't get around or anything.

Plus Kelly ending up with Dylan in the end was annoyingly contrived. They had to have Matt inexplicably cheat on her for it to happen.

Don't get me started on Kelly Taylor and her hypocritical self. Especially with Val.

I agree, Kelly did become very holier than thou for some reason. After Brenda left, I think the writers felt the need to make her that way for some inane reason.

There had to be a reason for the way Kelly was -- and the reason was that her mother was a drug addict, her father was a big time financier, but who never had time for her. Kelly and Dylan were a lot of like in that they had the same kind of parents. Kelly I assume lost her virginity at 15 with Steve, and then maybe slept with two more guys or whatever, and as was stated before upthread, she never did make it with Jakey from Melrose. She acted like an insecure schoolgirl whenever she was around him, it was so crazy -- she was the sexually experienced girl on the show and all.

Actually her first time was with a senior when she was a freshman. He left her behind a bush and never talked to her again... She got a rep and then decided to live up to it.

She was really mean to Val but Val was a bitch too...

Brenda and Dylan were the true couple to me. I stopped watching the show once Shannen left. I loved her then and I still love her. (Anyone in Heathers can do no wrong in my eyes!!)

It always bothered me that the show thought Kelly was Dylan's soulmate and I never could believe that. Sure, Kelly and Dylan had some heat but I never felt the love like I did with Dylan and Brenda.

Anyone remember when Dylan had his surfing accident and Mrs. Walsh brought him to Casa Walsh to recover and he was walking around in his undies, yum!!!

So she had to be about 15, right? I was close. She did live up to it unfortunately, but no thanks to Steve who spread crap and made it worse. Some friend he was.

Kelly did hurt Brenda, and that was wrong, but it wasn't like Kelly meant to hurt her, or Dylan too for that matter.
I never thought Kelly was a bimbo, she was just a troubled, rich girl who a lot of people in her life were too busy doing drugs or didn't have any time at all for her. That would suck. I didn't like Kelly when she always put Val down, even though Val did bad things, like sleeping with Ray, but he was to blame to; it takes two to tango. Val trying to break Brandon and Kelly up got tiring after awhile too.

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Ok, did anyone notice this big continuity issue or goof? I just saw the 90210 Christmas episode which aired on Christmas day (Imagine that!) and I loved the episode. However, it starts where the previous episode left off where Steve took off for a small town in NM to seek his biological mother. He finds his biological grandfather who told him that his mother was really young when she had him (assuming as a teenager), then went off to college, got married and later died in a car accident. Of course no questions from Steve on if he had any brothers or sisters, but I guess the writers did not feel like dealing with it. He creates a bond with his new grandfather and goes back to LA, honoring Samantha his adopted mom as his real mom. Of course, Steve does not even ask about his biological father which is just weird.

Cut to a few years later and Steve is feuding as usual with Rush(?), his adopted Dad, who you can tell Steve gets alot of his traits from. Steve is wondering what his real dad was like and if he is better than Rush. Then the big news comes out, Rush had an affair cheating on Samantha, the woman got pregnant and Rush just decided to adopt the kid (no knowledge if Samantha knew about this), and guess what-Rush is Steve's biological dad!!!!!! Steve was not very happy with this information, even though he is the spitting image of his dad in every way.

So if we are to get this correctly, Steve's dad, Mr. Beverly Hills, country club, high roller exec, man about town, went off and had an affair with a teenager or an 18 or 19 year old in nowhere NM??????? Which if he was dating/married to an up and coming Hollywood actress would surely have been leaked to the press. OK......

All right, so I just found this thread, so some of this is slight o/t. I (tried) to skim through most of the topic, so forgive me if I repeat anything, but I'll try not to!

First of all, I have to convey just HOW big of dorks my sister and I are about 90210. We used to do this thing where we enacted the Brandon/Dylan friendly/manly air punch thing from the opening credits (you ALLL know what I'm talking about) at the beginning of every episode. It's difficult to explain, but I figured TWOPers would be the only one to appreciate such gestures...that having been said...moving on...

I, for some strange reason, am a Brandon/Kelly 'shipper. I really think that, being that I'm only on the verge of 21 now, I was pretty young when I watched the original episodes and now as I catch the reruns, I get stuck in my 14 yr old girl mode of love and relationships. Because of my BK love (Burger King -ha!), I HATED any of the many parade of love interests who tried to interfere there. For example, Traci, the news anchor. HATED HER. My sister and I used to scream at Brandon through the tv screen:

"Dump Traci! She's toooooooooo possessive!!!!" Ahh good times.

Also, my freshman year in college, FX was kind enough to show its 90210 reruns at 4 pm and 5 pm every weekday. This was HEAVENLY. You would walk down my floor in the dorms and hear the opening music filtering under the doors of every room. Eventually, we all began to openly admit to our 90210 addictions and have numerous conversations about whatever plot was occuring at the time. It was great bonding time, and I wonder if there is some way we could talk FX into airing the show at a diff time again? (esp since they consistently flip it around with Ally McBeal and Buffy)

Also, as I was reading through the thread, every time someone said something about the "I choose me" Kelly speech, for some reason, all I can think of is on The Simpsons when Lisa gave Ralph the valentine that said "I choo choo choose you," or whatever it said. Just me? Ok.

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Every 90210 fan does that punch thingy from the credits.

Embarrassing:
I went to the Guiding Light Fan Club Luncheon in October. I met Daniel Cosgrove (Matt).

I said, "I was dared to hum to you the 90210 theme song"
Matt: SMILE "I don't remember it...but I remember my dance." SMILE

He was so cute...and nice.

I've read most of this thread and I'm pleased by the amount of Kelly-hate but I'm surprised no one has mentioned what I found one of the most annoying things about the character/actress. Which was the silly, high-pitched, cutesy voice she put on whenever she was talking to any of her boyfriends. I blame Jennie Garth, she obviously thought it was attractive for Kelly to suddenly lower her chin, look up and bat her eyelids and just generally make like Betty Boop. Grrr, I wanted to wring her pasty neck.

Gypsy, yes!!! the Kelly baby-voice/talkin' to my cute boyfriend thing was extremely annoying. I'm glad you mentioned it.
I really just wanted to post to express my disappointment that the 90210 rerun I watched this weekend on FX on Saturday morning was a really sucky one that had to be from one of the very last seasons- after Brandon and Valerie were both gone, involving characters such as Gina, Matt, Matt's schizophrenic wife, Dylan, etc..... I'm really not familiar with these episodes because I stopped watching after Brandon was gone. The only redeeming quality was the sub-plot about Steve and Janet getting all cutesy and smooching after an angst-filled camping trip.
Once Valerie and Brandon were gone, this show lost any interest for me and I stopped watching, so when I see these reruns I get all pissy and miss the the oldies-but-goodies.

I'm so happy that someone else is a Dylan/Toni fan like me!
I loved this whole story line and actually paid someone for a video of their story. (I'm a 9021-nerd)...

I stopped watching after Valerie left and Vanessa Marcil came on.

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Hey, 90210ers, James Eckhouse, who played Jim Walsh, was one of the guest stars on last night's "Without A Trace". It's a small role - only a couple of scenes - but an important one, and he gives it some nice, unexpected shadings.

Watch for it on reruns!

Guess who's getting married!

Tori Spelling is getting married on 8/14/04 to Charlie Shanian (who?), and you can check out her CRAZY gift registries at Williams-Sonoma (under Victoria Spelling, natch) and Tiffany & Co (under Tori). They are insane! Someone already got them the $1,800 espresso machine (perhaps Luke?). I was surprised all the cheapie stuff was already purchased from the WilliamSonoma one. I wonder if some zealous fans bought her the small stuff! (I briefly thought about it, considering how much entertainment her father has provided me through out the years)

WORD!!
When she became 'Kelly the saint', she was so 'holier than thou' about Brandon visiting the porn shop, Valerie, everything.

The bitchy, clothes horse from high-school was much more entertaining!



I think that everyone thought that. Dylan's mother, his half sister - everyone kept telling him to go back to Brenda. I agreed!

Hi 90210shippers!

I loved this show. I liked it best when they were in the first two years of college.

Loved: Brenda, Val, Andrea

Hated: Kelly (after she got with Dylan and afterwards)

Everyone else I liked or meh.

The couples I liked best were Brenda/Dylan (my favorite), Brandon/Susan, Steve/Clare, and David/Val.

I really stopped watching after they graduated from college, I could tell that the bond that the friends had wasn't the same. It didn't help that Brenda, Andrea and Clare were gone and all these new people that I didn't care about came in. I used to like Brandon until college senior year. He started to turn into a jerk.

I think you are talking about the 90210 reunion from last year -- I don't ever remember Brandon himself visiting any porn shop.

I think you mean when the gang were talking about that their set was actually just a warehouse in Van Nuys (in The Valley) and it was near a porno studio or whatever, and Jennie Garth was all suprised that the guys went over there and she said: "I thought you guys went to the candy store."
And they were like: "Well we did, lol."

Jennie was so naive it was cute.

There was an episode, when Steve and Brandon ran the newspaper together, so it was one of the last few seasons, and they were doing a story about or running an ad from this new sex shop place (lingerie, sex toys, that kind of place). Kelly was all offended and got off on some rant about porn and basically blamed Brandon for every guy who's ever read a Playboy, if I'm recalling the episode correctly.

Don't even get me started on that episode. It's so typical of Kelly to blame the blameless for that shit.

It's like when Gina and Noah had the strip party and Mel got caught with the stripper. Kelly blamed Gina and Noah for Mel's "Cheating." Whatever. He didn't have to be there. He didn't have to get all grope-y (did he even do that?). She's such a judgemental beeyotch.


I loved it, too. The episode where she died really hit me. I had never been emotionally into an episode before...and never was again.

This was when I started hating her too. She became a mean spoiled brat instead of just a spoiled BH brat. If Dylan paid attention to anything else besides her - Brenda, his 'stepmom' and stepsister, etc. - she freaked out and got all pouty.

I totally agree, Kelly's character was so inconsistant. Too much so to be chalked up to "growing up." She went from shallow slut to backstabbing friend to poor little rich girl to condescending biotch to completely holier than thou. I mean really, did she forget about her days boinking seniors in the bushes when she looked down her nose at Valerie?? A little jealous maybe???

Oh, that's right; I had totally blocked that episode out of my memory. Now it is starting to come back.

She did get all feminist on him, which isn't bad at all, 'cause I did agree with her, but still...she wasn't perfect, that's for sure.



Yeah, that was total character assassination IMO. Kelly just wasn't any fun anymore when they made her this holier than thou person. The TPTB at BH90210 needed to realize it was alright to have Kelly Taylor be a character with flaws -- a character is more relatable that way. I think she was always jealous of Brenda because I think deep down she knew that Dylan would always carry a torch for her, and that is why they put her with Brandon at the end of S4.

I remember hearing that Uncle Aaron tried to get Shannen to come back for S9, but that fell through (he instead got her a job on his new show Charmed of course); that would've been awesome IMO.

Sure Shannen could be a jerk, but Brenda was so entertaining. So much good angst.

They are showing this storyline on FX right now. I like it because everyone had a girlfriend/boyfriend and it wasn't "Oh Kelly is so beautiful", "Kelly is the only girl in the world". Brandon has Susan, Dylan has Toni - they are all pretty much coupled off.

It's so much better than the 'world according to Kelly Taylor'

Does anyone know if they're planning on releasing any of the seasons on DVD soon? I'd love to get some of the high school stuff, but I haven't heard anything. Please help!

Well, what was really stupid about this show was that at the end she went to the store and bought all this stuff for her and Brandon to play with, and was like "I don't care if you go as long as you go with me," and it was just all so stupid.

I just read an Entertainment Weekly article today (3/22 issue?) that there are no plans for 90210 or Melrose DVD releases as of yet. They said we'll just have to satisfy our guilty pleasure teen angst with The O.C.

Speaking of The OC, I've noticed that the creators and some of the fans seem to be quite disdainful towards 90210 when they compare the two. It's a little ungrateful seeing as The OC (and every other teen show) owes so much to 90210. Without its success, ther others might not even exist today.

I don't know if it's disdain. It's just a difference of opinion on cheese vs better written stuff. I know 90210 did it first. I just don't know if they did it better.

When it comes to having people who are clearly past their first flush of youth playing high school students, both shows can claim that award -- if they so desire. Ugh.

It must have something to do with the music rights with all the songs that were featured on both 90210 and Melrose over the years.
I like The O.C. a lot, but it doesn't even compare to 90210 and Melrose in terms of campiness and guilty pleasure factors.
Sure, The O.C. might be better written and all, but in reality, it is just a more intelligent revamping and combo of 90210 and Melrose.



Maybe some of The O.C. fans are too young to say they watched the Spelling epics of the '90s, but again some of them are around or older than me (and I am 21).

I remember people asked Mischa Barton if she watched 90210 at all, and she said no because she was too young (she was born in in 1987 afterall), but Rachel Bilson said she adored it and watched it and still watches the reruns. Wall Streeters to college kids and everyone in between loved 90210 and Melrose, and most of those people were smart of enough to realize that they weren't supposed to be earnest shows.

ETA: 90210 will be released on DVD, that is, the Pilot ep will, on Tuesday, June 15th. Here is what the cover art will look like.

Why can't they release more than just the pilot episode?
I have been watching the old shows (they just re-started the episodes on FX on the weekends) and I am getting 'homesick' for college. (Is that possible?) Tuesday nights, a bunch of us would gather in one room and order pizza and watch 90210. (Damn, I am old!)

IMO, the older episodes are better, I loved Brenda & Dillon and it was just more fun to watch before the Clare/Steve junk and all of the extra characters & storylines!

I think they are just releasing the Pilot on DVD now, because maybe they want to see how those sales do for first. That means all 90210 fans need to buy the Pilot release if we want to see season sets.

In 2005, the DVD rights to the Spelling shows revert from Artisan back to Paramount (since they and Viacom own Spelling Entertainment), so hopefully we'll see season sets for 90210 and Melrose.

*Crosses fingers*

PostToastie, Don't worry, you're not old. That's exactly what I did in college for 90210/Melrose night. Remember how everything got screwed up when they moved Melrose to another night? Ugh.

They played some awesome ones over the weekend on FX. The whole teen rap line episode where Brenda helps catch the guys raping that cheerleader. I didn't remember Andrea being such a bitch in those early episodes though! Man, she was so self-righteous!

Then, I also caught the episode where Steve and Brandon get scammed by the two women (one played Mike's girlfriend on Growing Pains) and they steal Steve's car. I believe that both Steve and Brandon are wearing cowboy boots in that scene and it was cracking me up.

They also show episodes M-F at 8 a.m. CST. When I was in college, 90210 came on Wednesdays at 7 p.m. I belonged to an organization that met from 6-6:59 just so we could make it back to our dorms for 90210! Loved it.

I just heard "Breaking Up Is Hard To Do" on the radio and guess what I immediately thought of?

That's right! Good ol' Emily Valentine. I gotta say, she was my favorite of all of Brandon's many, many women. At least she was three-dimensional. Plus, Brandon yelling at her while they were making the float was one of the few "uncensored" Brandon Walsh moments on the show in its entire run. (The kid was a real politician in the making, huh? Hey, remember that cheesy video that Kelly made David create for Brandon's student body president campaign?)

Yes!
I remember that one of my friends was rooming with a girl who loved Full House (it came on the same night). We could never go to their room because it was the 'Full House girl's' tv.



I wish they would have the entire week (weekend included) be on the same schedule. During the week right now, they have the college years but on the weekends it's high school with the bad fashions and bitchy Kelly.



I always think of 90210 when I hear that song. Remember when they sang it at the talent show and Kelly, Brenda & Donna were like rejects from a Robert Palmer video? WTF?

I hated how they would always bring Emily Valentine back for conflict. Like she was the only thing that could make Brandon react. He was like a robot.