Crappy spoilers regarding the Maryanne shit, proving once again that Weston is a hack...

GL SECRET IS OUT

After months of cryptic hints, GL's Carrie finally gives Marah, Michelle and Marina the scoop about what happened to Maryanne. "It's come back to bite [these men]," previews Ron Raines (Alan).

In 1977, Josh, Billy, Buzz, Alan, Ed and Maryanne piled into a car and ended up drinking beer that Alan had drugged. The car plunged off a bridge; all survived -- except Maryanne. The boys made a pact never to tell anyone about the incident.

The women confront the men about Carrie's story. They're reactions? "Buzz throws up," previews Justin Deas. "Ed is psychotic," shares Peter Simon (Ed). Billy and Josh refuse to confirm it. "That's what's heartbreaking. Josh is standing there doing something that is completely against his character. [He] forces himself to do it because of [their] agreement," notes Robert Newman(Josh).

Now that the secret is out, expect repercussions, as Ed sabotages his medical career and Buzz decided to leave town.

OMG, those spoilers? They're absolutely horrible.

They've had to contrive reasons for Buzz, Josh and Billy to show their faces in SF before they really did and now they knew each other enough to go drinking? And abandoned a dead woman? Unreal.

Wait, I thought that Buzz went to Vietnam and never came back, supposedly killed in action but really off with some woman creating Lucy. So in 1977 Buzz would not have been in Springfield. Am I getting my timeline messed up as to when Buzz left Nadine? I mean, I realize this is all super-revisionist history, but god, if you're going to rewrite history, at least make it a good story. Because this one blows big time.

Lizzybeth, no your timeline isn't messed up. Buzz left Nadine to go back to Vietnam, they slept together one last time and Harley was conceived. For years, everyone thought he was MIA in the war. I agree it does blow.

At least, Bloss got married last week. Where were Gus and Harley for New Year's eve?

What shitty spoilers! The current TPTB are just hacks. They have just twisted GL's history to contrived one of the stupidest storylines EVER. If I could, I would line them up and smack the hell out of every one of them.

Can I join in on this? Those spoilers are complete bullshit. I thought this Sl was bullshit from the first day it aired, but I held out hope that TIIC would somehow salvage it. I should know better. All I tune in for these days is Cadmund and GusH, everything else has gone to hell. If these rumors about GusH breaking up are true, I don't know what I'll do.

Seriously if this storyline results in a trial I think Buzz should stand up in court and say "Hey, I have an alibi, don't you all remember, you thought I was dead and didn't set foot in Springfield until years later resulting in a very strained relationship for several years with both of my children and my wife."

You would think Buzz would have good enough alibi but the asshats in charge made it point for Buzz to tell Mariana that he came back once but didn't see anyone. That is a lot of contrivence for such a stupid storyline. If the spoilers are true its not even going to have a good pay off. I can deal with stupid for a little while if the pay off is good.

I ain't too thrilled with the new Cadmund spoilers either. If The Hairy Toad doesn't mess up GusH, it sounds like they will be his likely target. I was so hoping we'd get a break from him.....but just the fact that BC is on the show must mean he's obligated to be mixed in with whatever s/l's LW/DAM are......especially LW. Heaven forbid they BOTH move on to something/someone new!!

DavidsGalPal - About the Hairy Toad - this is based on nothing more than the fact that EW and Co. love to do the obvious, but I have this feeling that Toad-boy will somehow turn out to be Prince Dickie since BC was brought back to appease one loud but small part of the GL audience, and GL likes to lull us into thinking that they abandoned some half-assed plot and then spring it on us. Remember the rumors about from early last year about a Sock Puppet? We had many puppet-free months before we discovered that Sandy like to stick his hand up a puppet's ass. Also, that damn tunnel was ignored and hopefully forgotten until this Maryanne crap started. That's why I think that GL thinks they have convinced us that Toad-boy is some mysterious secret agent and oh what a surprise it will be when it turns out he is not-so-dead Dickie with amnesia or some other nonesense.

Oh my god I missed that part of this stupid storyline, so we are supposed to believe that Buzz came hung out with his friends and that no one in the following years when they see Frank struggling with taking care of Harley decided to maybe mention that their father wasn't dead?

Absolutely the worst revision of history ever. Buzz came back to just hang out and tip a few with Billy, Josh, and Ed (yeah right. Also highly improbable) and accidentally kill someone? Ugh.

I have a feeling that I'll know by the end of February sweeps if I'll still be watching GL by year's end. It seems more and more like these story re-writes we've been hearing about haven't been re-written at all. Especially the rumors about.....Jeffrey being MaryAnne's (and Ed Bauer's) son and her being Richard's mother as well (not to mention some SuperSecretAgentSuperHero too)....thus giving Toad-Boy, instant mega family connections in SF and probably leading to the downfall of Cadmund and a Jassie pairing. Making the the center of the GL universe around which everything and everyone revolves.
The SuperSecretAgent crap is there to give him a deep dark secret which no doubt Cassie will be the ONLY one to dig out from under his gruff exterior.....and to also make him a heroic figure (ala Richard)

Gawd....I just made myself sick.
So does JC have a crush on BC or what??)
I don't think they've changed one damn thing that was leaked that cause the whole uproar about the revised GL history in the first place. I am so sick and tired of GL moving heaven and earth for BC's sake and the hell with everyone else!!
The only saving grace is they can't make him BOTH Richard and have Jeffrey being MaryAnne and Ed's son too......can they??


I like Cadmund and GusH, and they are probably the only reasons I'm still watching, so I won't be surprised if Toad-Boy (BC's return) is what makes me end up stop watching GL for good. I'd already given up on the show once when they didn't seem to have anything for Edmund to do....messed up the Gus is a Santos s/l and they brought back Ed only for him to go MIA half the time....with NO story whatsoever. This is/was GL's last chance with me.

I'm actually glad they follow through with this one. I would hate to have Gus related to the Santoses. He is way too good for them.

I was really looking forward to Danny and Gus being related and all the possibilities it set up.(til the whole Santos s/l became such a snoozer)
Wasn't at all thrilled him being made a Spaulding. When there are so many of them MIA. Maybe more story with Phillip, Olivia, Alan and Alex all thrown in together will change my mind.

Yeah I wanted Gus to be releated to Danny, mainly because the two characters had such great chemistry together and I miss the scenes with the two of them.

I agree that they had good chemsitry together but I still didn't want them to be related. A lot of that has to do with a certain board that slams anything and anyone that enters the sacred circle of Manny. I wanted Gus and RPG far away from that. Maybe that is petty of me but it is what it is.

I liked the animosity between Danny and Gus. Didn't give too much thought to Gus being in near proximity to Manny. What intrigued me most was the rumor that Selena was Gus's mother. How would Buzz have reacted to that??
That's what I was hoping for and most disappointed about when it seemed TPTB got cold feet since their big secret seemed to have been found out a little early. And that's why the story was changed and then the current PTB changed it again.



TPTB are so set on making sure Jeffrey has get some insta-family ties...and that just grates on me. If Cassie/Edmund break up, he'll be pretty much all alone again with no one. I don't see anyone coming to Edmund's rescue. There are those rumors that Jonathan/Sandy is really Jeffrey's son or Jeffrey would be related to Edmund (and Sandy) by being Richard's half-brother. And that's why both Edmund and Sandy have such an aversion to Mr Toad-Boy. Again...it's all about Jeffrey. I'd much rather we found out that Sandy isn't Jonathan...but Edmund's son instead.

I had a hard time with the Friday episode.

For one thing, I have general irritation with the way the dialogue is written. The older crowd typically speaks and sounds believable but many of the rest seem to just be running their lines and I find I can't seem to engage with them as characters at an emotional level.

For one thing, I just can't deal with Marah. She is constantly and simultaneously trying to be noble, hopeless, faux cheery, and a tragic wet blanket. She definitely needs to be in some intensive therapy immediately. I guess we can say she is definitely a mix of her parents, Reva's attractiveness and Josh's attractiveness/moodiness but that's about it.

I felt a little bad for Dr. Langham, especially since he's a Tragic Widower (Paging Dr. Langham, I'll be your NEW wife!) but at the same time, you just know that they are building up a triangle with him, Philip, and Olivia.

Sigh... he has such perfect diction... I just wish his residency had included a sense of humor.

It's like watching a cute, muscled, yet platitude-spouting self-help book in action.

It'll be nice to have Shane and Sharina up and about again because this wheelchair story was a complete waste of time.

Now that would be interesting...

Jeffrey as a Bauer AND Richard!

It will be interesting to see where this goes.

Have you read the interview in SOD with Deas, Clarke, Raines, Simon and Newman. It's a definite must read!! Probably the best thing that's come from this whole MaryAnne/Carrie story, besides them getting to work together. Hate the story so far and it's sounding like the BIG reveal is going to be Jeffrey-related, so I know I'm going to HATE that...but I loved the interview.

I think posting the entire text is frowned upon here, so I'll post a link to it....here

I loved reading that interview. They do appear to enjoy working with each other but I get the impression that none of them enjoy the story. And it pretty much confirmed that the story is about the 3 Morons and not them. Very sad. I wonder if Conboy is happy with how that interview turned out.

I want Deas, Clarke, Raines, Simon and Newman to be writers on the show. Those are some funny guys. My love for them just increased exponentially. They not only have a sense of humor, but they seem 10 times more informed about this shows past than the writers seem to be. Or maybe it's not that the writers don't know the shows past, but that they just don't care about it.

Wow! Those guys are AWESOME.

THAT'S an ensemble. they do need to let them do some of the writing.

OMG I love Jordan Clarke so much. When the story gets crappy, all I have to do is think of this quote:



PS said when he came back that he was just going to play what they gave him, be a happy actor and not complain. I think they are definitely taking advantage of that pledge...

If one of those spoilers is correct and Jeffrey is the son of Maryanne and Ed, that would make him 25 years old, wouldn't it? Okay, maybe he would be a little older if Ed and Maryanne had a relationship for awhile before the car accident. But since Jeffrey is supposed to be around the same age as Reva (since he's Richard's doppelganger, and Richard was married to "Catherine"), and he is so age-inappropriate for Marah, and because McSquick looks mid-forties, I would find this incredibly unbelievable. Yes, even more unbelievable than the current Maryanne Caruthers story!

What a shock. A storyline on this show revolving around DA!SuperMcScruff. /sarcasm Wow, how cool. Except not.

RE: The SOD interview. Those guys are priceless and deserve a better storyline. At least they're on my screen, so I'm a little thankful for that, at least. Use the vets, soap opera writers! There's gold in them thar hills.

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny. Ignoring show history stinks; revisionist history, poorly written stinks even more. Gah! Whoever said sweeps next month would determine if they're still viewing GL by year's end? I'm right there with you.

Time to lighten my mood, and read the SOD interview...

HEE! These guys are the newest Fab Five!

I'm watching GL live. This MaryAnne/Carrie storyline is simply incredulous. I don't for one second believe that Alan would hang out with Ed, Josh, Billy or Buzz. Alan is such a snob. Also I could never see Alan as a rapist. He is manipulative and dangerous, but not directly violent which why it wasn't believeable all those years ago when they had Alan shot Phillip by accident trying to kill Blake.

As for the Hairy Toad, these desperate attempts to warp other characters to give him a role in the soap will be TPTB's demise so I hope that they keep it up.

I'm just reading the PBP's and the whole thing makes me nauseous. Buzz was on leave from the army and he never stopped by to see his kids? Where was Lucy, who surely would have been born by now? Also in 1977, Alan was the head of Spaulding Enterprises with a wife and a kid. Why in the hell would he have been hanging out with the others at a country fair?

I loathe TIIC for doing this.

With so vast a history, surely GL could have come up with a story that didn't insult the fans or warp the space-time-continuum as opposed to this fetid turd!

I seriously think all the soaps need to bring in people from this site to do continuity analysis on the scripts and episodes at every stage of production because the writers and producers and directors are clearly incapable of it!

I seriously need this storyline to be over and hopefully end with Carrie's death because she has to have the most annoying voice on television.

I'm all for seeing more of Billy/Ed/Buzz/Josh/Alan...and Ross too. But not in some lame storyline that is going to probably only destroy them in the long run for the sole purpose of 'cementing' a place in SF for DA McScruff. And that's what I think this whole set-up is for....nothing more.
I read that Jeffrey's motive for coming to SF and getting involved with Beth and now Marah is revenge for MaryAnne's death, I don't think that was the original plan though. He was going to be Richard's twin brother...and Cassie was going to fall for him and Edmund would turn all evil again and try to thwart them at every turn....gee, doesn't that sound familiar.
I'm royally PO'ed that GL is twisting and turning everything for BC/Jeffrey's benefit no matter what other characters or stories are trashed in the process. That's just not right. (see GH) The vets deserve better than this and I sure don't want Edmund to become a cartoon villain again so he can be used as the doormat/plot device for Jassie/RassieII. Been there, done that and Edmund (as a character) is still being dug out of that hole.

BTW....I've read that Jerry VerDorn has expressed some interest in becoming involved in the writing at GL. No word on if TPTB returned the interest or would take him up on that offer instead of letting him go (if it comes or came to that)]


The 'new' Fab Five.....I like it.

Carson/Kyan/Thom/Ted/Jai vs Alan/Buzz/Josh/Ed/Billy....now that I'd like to see.

Jesus these writers cannot even get their facts straight in their new revisionist history. Buzz, Ed, and Josh all left before Billy and Alan decided to drug the beer, yet Carrie says they know. I mean they might have later suspected but at that point its a stretch to say they knew.

Who knew Spaulding Pharmaceuticals invented Ectasy?

Also, Buzz was supposed to have died in Vietnam, right? I mean it wasn't just in the Army in the 70's, but Vietnam? Because if so it makes it even more ridiculous that the writers choose 1977. AH it frustrates me so much.

Word, and word again. I don't even know where to begin:
a.) Don't make me start on Buzz having a stopover.

b.) Ed was not a resident in 1977. He was a full-fledged doc at Cedars. And, if they try to make Jeffrey part of the Bauer family, that would make him a contemporary of Rick and Blake's. On *what* planet would that even begin to make sense?! If my memory serves, Chrissy (Blake) was already around by '77. (I could be wrong about that.) But in any case, Freddie (Rick) was already several years old by then.

c.) Alan, oh where to begin with that. Alan at a county fair? In Springfield? Gah! Drinking beer? And here I was silly enough to believe that he learned about beer with Gus last summer. Yeah, I guess I'm just dumb like that. /sarcasm

Seriously, maybe I should just pony up for one of the GL books and send it to TIIC.

(I will admit, however, that the young versions of the Fab Five were pretty well cast, looks wise.) OTOH, anytime they want to haul off that sack of bones Carrie, I will start taping again.

ETA: Did anyone see the results of the "under the mistletoe" poll on CBS? Jeffrey wins by almost 54%, followed by Nico with almost 32%? WTFH?

Bwah! My first laugh out of this whole ridiculous SL!

You won't have to pony up much for one of the GL books - the big hardcover one was remaindered a couple of years ago - got my copy for around $6.

If all those face lifts didn't kill Carrie The Friendly Ghost, trust me nothing will.


I forgot to mention the "Alan drinking beer" thing and attending a county fair. Unbelieveable stuff!

Wasn't Alan embroiled in the Baby Phillip mess by then, married to Elizabeth? Chris Bernau was no teenager.

Ed was in on the Rita/Holly/Roger shenanigans at the time, wasn't he? Been married a few times? Also not a young man then.

Buzz was AWOL. The Lewis boys were not around. This is like a bad Saved by the Bell retcon - it makes no sense, it is very easily proven false by going to the videotape, and they obviously don't care.

I just have to laugh. This show is racing DOOL for cancellation.

You guys are seriously scaring me. This is the third board that visited that has been in an uproar over todays horror story. I'm afraid to watch.

I feel really bad for the people who've been watching GL for a long time. I've only watched off and on for 10-12 years, while many others have been fans for 20+ years.
Now they tune in daily to see what they've watched before rendered null and void. It's always good to know that you didn't see what thought you saw with your very own eyes back then....and how easy it is for these PTB to take the vaunted history of such a long running show like GL and twist and turn it all for the sake of ONE character and at the cost of so many others!! What a shame (and a sham too)!!

Let me say that as a semi-long time viewer, I remember Bill Jr.'s ass crack from his DIAPER days, I am thorougly pissed at this massacre of characters and changes in history. It's almost as bad as the GH attic crapola. NONE of this is even remotely plausible or interesting to watch unfold. So you mean to tell me JOSH is older than Jeffrey by like 30 years? Please. And that whole thing with Buzz coming through from Vietnam..even though he was thought DEAD and was fathering Lucy and all that. OMG! I hope GL can recover from this horrible storyline.
Oh, and BTW, the McSquick/Marah gagfest was totally gross and unecessary.

DavidsGalPal: Trust us today's show will give you a headache as well as an ulcer. It was the most ridiculous twisting of history EVER. However, be assured that those spoilers you just shared were able to make me feel even more ill and repulsed.


Jeffrey must be a relative of Maryanne. He can't possibly be Ed's son. Oh why am I even trying to make this illogical storyline logical.

I love how they wrote that he was just on leave and didn't want his family to know he was back for a short break; as if at this point in the story he wasn't supposed to be already dead since the war ended TWO YEARS before he came back to hang at the fair, (not)drug a lady, (not)kill her, and cover it up. I mean if they made Buzz the most responsible for the entire thing and that was the reason he pretended to be dead that would still be completely stupid but still somewhat understandable (well if they made the year 1973 or something so he could go back to Vietnam and then have the guilt over what he did made him not able to face the fallout).However, he seems the least involved in this whole stupid story. Also I still don't understand how Jeffrey being Ed and MAC fits into this whole stupid storyline

You must not have visited the Mannys yet - most of them don't have a problem with it: Here and here.

I'm late to comment on M/J newyears sex but I just had to say I'm very happy for Marah after weeks and weeks of her begging Boffrey to fuck her he finally did. Ugh she is pathetic. And ofcourse he left her begging for more -what a stud.

MountainGirl, please don't share that Manny's board with us again.

I read that although Jeffrey's motive is revenge this relationship with Marah is meant to show us his softer/more human side...and in the end all of this will cement his future in SF, I suppose he'll either end up coming across as some kind of sympathetic character (maybe even heroic...but I hope not, that was Richard). I'm assuming he's MaryAnne's son, but I haven't read for sure what his relationship to anyone is. We all assumed the Jeffrey is MaryAnne/Ed's son story had been changed when all we know for sure is that the storyline has been speeded up. So who knows where it'll end up.
I was afraid that the saying beware what you wish for would come to pass. Seeing the guys altogether in a story....only to have them and their reputations or status in the community destroyed for the sake of ONE character!! So are we supposed to be grateful that if NOT for Jeffrey O'Neill showing up we wouldn't be seeing Billy/Josh/Buzz/Ed/Alan as much? It seems TPTB are trying to force us to like Jeffrey O'Neill by piggybacking his story onto others that we like on the show....like Cassie/Edmund or GusH or now 'fab five'? And that irks me no end!! Not to mention how we've seen Beth and Marah made into sex slaves (sluts?) like no woman can resist him. PUH-LEEZE!!
I gave up on GH when it sacrificed so much of the show and characters (Stefan/the Q's/especially AJ) to make it all about Sonny (and then Sonny/Carly/Jason)....I won't hesitate to dump GL if I see it headed in the Jeffrey O'Neill hour direction...or Rassie II....especially if Edmund has to play their plot device/obstacle again). I stayed in there with GH for far too long, even after I had stopped enjoying it, thinking that if I toughed it out just a little longer it would get better and for all my efforts all I got was I can't stomach the sight of it now, but I'll be sure NOT to make that same mistake with GL.

I've been to the Mannyac board a few times and even posted there a little too. But most of the time it just mystifies me. Even ventured to the Horny Toad board the other day.
I stumbled across a post about how many characters were being destroyed by 'Edmund's redemption story'. They listed 17. Excuse me, but Edmund is ONLY allowed to have scenes with Cassie/Tammy/Joey/Jeffrey (that's mandatory)/ and sometimes Reva. So how in the hell can they compare that to what GL is doing ALL for the sake of Jeffrey O'Neill? Ripping up characters and re-writing the show's history right and left JUST FOR HIM!! GMAFB!!
I'll not being going there again anytime soon...especially w/o supervision or a big bottle of TUMS!!

Wow, the Mannyacs are not only obsessive, but they all failed 4th grade grammar. I agree - don't show us those again!!

I just hope that they'll end this story by saying Christopher and Scruff were in cahoots and Chris hypnotized the whole town to believe this shit, or maybe that some bad green onions at Company led to a non-fatal variant of the Dreaming Death.

I'm hoping for a Cassie dreamed it all story (ala Bobby on Dallas) and McScruff doesn't exist. But her love for Edmund does.

This rewriting history just bites. You've all said it much more eloquently than I ever could, so again...it bites. I'm a lifelong fan (mom watched while I was in the womb) so that would be almost 31 years. I am just flabbergasted and sad, really.

Die McScruff, die. Die PTB, die.

Have you noticed that GL is the only daytime soap unable to stay on the first page of the Soap Opera forum?

Anyway, last night I caught myself thinking about GL and I really think that the show may be cancelled in a year or two. How can the show survive all this incompetence? I just can't see how. The ratings are already so low that the increases that it gets are not significant.

I can't get over how disappointed I am in the direction that the current PTB are taking the show.

FYI, if you go into My Controls and Board Settings, you can change how many topics and messages you see on the page. GL never leaves the first page for me.

Thanks. I didn't know that I could even do that.