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[Al Lowe]

Aha! Season 7 is starting and the craziness is about to ramp up! I can feel it! So... be sure to read my general forum announcement, the gist of which is as follows: don't act a fool. Remember that if someone disagrees with your opinion concerning Luke/Christopher/Richard/Logan/Miss Patty, it does not actually mean that they are cave-dwelling sub-humans who have never known real love.

Luke is not, in fact, your boyfriend.

Christopher does not, actually, need you to leap to his defense as a man and father.

Lorelai is neither whore, nor madonna. Nor is she Madonna.

I will, most likely, ban you if you bog the boards down with melodramatic nutjobbery.

The end. Now, get to it.

[bellamn16]

If she finds out mid-fight, I'm sure Chris will go with and sulk. However, that would make me wonder how Luke gets involved. I figured she'd be with Luke after the fight fallout when she gets the call.

I guess my concern is that Chris won't be at the hospital because he shuts off his phone or ignores it, assuming Lorelai just wants to talk about the fight (ala Luke in Say Something). Then it would be hard for Lorelai to leave Chris because of his sulking unless the time away from him helps her to see the five gazillion other reasons why she shouldn't be with him.

Maybe she does get ahold of him and he comes out of obligation, but continues to be all Christopher and be mad and pissy. Perhaps he won't talk to her, or he keeps pushing their fight as the big issue they should be dealing with.

Has it been confirmed that Chris and Lorelai fight? I know MA mentiond it in terms of a fight, but who's to say he's right? Maybe she calls him, he answers, and meets her there, without letting her know he's angry...and he just sulks for no reason and blows up at her during the height of the crisis. Again, don't know how Luke ends up there....

MA did say that Christopher and Luke would CHOOSE TO DEAL with Richard's crisis in different ways, which means it's a conscious choice. But again, who's to say he's right?

[MisMichie]

Who knows what MA's right or wrong about...

I believe we got a spoiler suggesting that C/L argue/fight in 6.12, most obviously about the letter.

He did say that Chris chooses to deal with the crisis in 7.13 differently, but he also said just a week or two ago that they were 'tweaking' the episode story. And we didn't get anything more than that.

DR may choose to make it that Chris does show up to the hospital, but sulky and moody, or maybe he'll make Christopher shut off his cell phone so that he can't even get the message in the first place. Who knows?

[billboy]

I thought the last thing MA had to say about this is that Chris is having a pity party for himself - I think what may have been tweaked, from what I've been reading, is whether he chooses to not to do anything or now whether he actually knows about the crisis and is just off feeling sorry for himself.

[bellamn16]

MA said last week that the tweaks were minor and based more on the speed at which Lorelai comes out of her fog during the episode. The behaviors of the men are supposedly still going to be the same. But, again I ask, who's to say he's right?

[Cadence Daly]

I was thinking it might be nice to see Rory handling the crisis (since she's most likely on the scene when R collapses) with the same calm maturity and level-headedness we've seen in her work at the YDN.

In the first F&S, when Lorelai arrives at the hospital she is able to get information and make things happen when Emily was dithering ineffectually. It wouldn't surprise me that this time Lorelai is not able to be so helpful in this crisis because she is pretty unstable herself these days, fighting with Chris and starting to come to grips with the EiF.

So Rory could step up and be the helpful, reassuring presence for the family, a nice contrast to the scared teenager she was the first time around. Lorelai could come to the realization that Rory is really grown up (wasn't Rory complaining that Lorelai was treating her like a 5 year old earlier this season?) and has no need for the nuclear family Lorelai thinks she is providing with Chris.

And if at some point Rory could be the one to let Chris know that his sulking, pouty, late-to-the-hospital-because-he-was-off-feeling-put-upon presence is not needed during this time of travail, so much the better.

[cate24]

So Rory could step up and be the helpful, reassuring presence for the family, a nice contrast to the scared teenager she was the first time around. Lorelai could come to the realization that Rory is really grown up (wasn't Rory complaining that Lorelai was treating her like a 5 year old earlier this season?) and has no need for the nuclear family Lorelai thinks she is providing with Chris.

This would be nice, Cadence Daly. I'd enjoy seeing Rory step up to handle things. She is very much like her grandfather at times.

Just to make our heads spin a little more on the "Where is Lorelai when she finds out about Richard?" speccing: I went back over the Ep 12 sides, and realized we forgot about the judge. So Luke (or at least, his lawyer) must have already gotten the letter before Lorelai heads to the hospital. Where does that fit in, though?

[Cadence Daly]

I went back over the Ep 12 sides, and realized we forgot about the judge. So Luke (or at least, his lawyer) must have already gotten the letter before Lorelai heads to the hospital. Where does that fit in, though?

Good point, cate. Since MA said 7.13 takes place almost entirely at the hospital, the news about Richard must happen very near the end of 7.12. Maybe the court hearing at which the judge rules in Luke's favor is earlier in the ep, and towards the end Luke gets in touch with Lorelai somehow to tell her the good news and thank her for her help.

It's hard to imagine that he would go to the CS (too much chance of running into NNS). Maybe he finds her at the DI. Or if she has been babysitting Davy, maybe he sees her as she's walking home afterwards and runs out to tell her. They talk, everyone's happy, cue her cell ringing with news of Richard's illness. Fade out on Lorelai's stricken face.

[smashingstars]

Perhaps Luke finds out about Richard because of the letter? Maybe he's picking up the letter from Lorelai when she gets the call, or to be an even bigger parallel, she's dropping off the letter at the diner when her phone rings, just like in F&S.

I suspect Chris will simply not know about Richard and be unavailable. To make him completely unconcerned would make him too much of an ass, and the show's trying to portray him a bit more sympathetically now.

And I do think, when all is said and done, Chris will leave Lorelai, not the other way around. For good reasons or bad, he'll leave, and that will not only fit with his character but we'd also be reasonably assured that he won't be coming back that way.

[bellamn16]

and towards the end Luke gets in touch with Lorelai somehow to tell her the good news and thank her for her help.

I've speculated that myself. I thought maybe Luke calls her after she's gotten the call about Richard and can tell she's upset, even over the phone.

[Looney6]

Well, she is babysitting Davey, which puts her in closer proximity Luke's than her house does. Maybe she gets the call while babysitting?

I thought the spoiler had said that Chris takes the oppty to read the letter while she is out of the house. I assumed that was while she was watching Davey.

And who was it that mentioned that the letter Chris finds is a copy? Heh, a little TRL redux when Emily finds the carbon of the letter to Richard. That would be cool.

What would even be better is if the judge is reading the letter in order to enter it in the record and they cut back & forth as Chris is reading the copy. Luke beams as Chris grows bitter.

And I like the spec that Rory has it together and is really the pillar. It would show just how far she has come since her lost years. And how much she will be a source of strength [and inspiration] for Lorelai.

[teajunkie]

The journey the ship takes is out of the land of snow & ice heading towards the tropical seas.

Looney this would fit your assertion that snow is bad for L/L..

[BariLace]

Am I the only one who doesn't want the L/L aspect of 7.13 to be like F&S. Now, don't get me wrong, I loooooooooove my F&S. But, I'd rather see Luke go to the hospital on his own (like he finds out from someone in SH?), or have Rory/Lane be the reason he goes.

For some odd reason....I don't want to see Lorelai hanging out in the diner when she gets the call, which leads to Luke driving her to the hospital. Why? I don't know! Heh. Well, it could be that it gives Chris more reason to think something is going on with Luke. Easy way out IMP. Heh. I'm strange.

Still, I do see Lorelai being at the diner when she gets the call. 'Cause how else does Luke end up at the hospital? I'd just rather see a nice scene between Rory and Luke (well hell. why would Rory be there if Richard passed out at Yale? Ugh. My hopes are dashed) rather than Luke and Lorelai in the diner.

Or...we can just have a lame Lane is giving birth/Richard is sick storyline at the same time. I would love and hate that. But it would be a perfect way to have so many characters all around at once. Yet, I want this to be more about Richard, Emily, and the Gilmore element - other than L/L/C.

[bellamn16]

BariLace, I don't want a repeat of F&S either. Or should I say, I don't want it to be the same circumstances where Lorelai's in the diner when she finds out and needs a ride. On one hand it's like recreating that fateful night and is super sweet. On the other hand, it's super sweet in a soapy sort of way and I want it to be sweet in a Gilmory way. I wouldn't mind if his proximity to her is what leads to him ending up in the hospital, but I don't want it to be surrounding her being at the diner.

[iola731]

I'm wondering how Lorelai's epiphany/realization/moment of truth goes down in 7.13. I really do doubt that Lorelai's realization is going to result in her breaking up immediately with Chris in the hospital. It's going to be more about realizing all the mistakes that she has made, and the L/C breakup will occur a couple of eps down the track. So I have to wonder - who does she spill her guts to? I just cannot see it being Chris. There's no way she would pile all of this on Rory, considering Chris is her father. Would she unload all her angst on Emily or even an unconscious Richard? While Richard is ill in hospital? It doesn't really make sense. Would she pour all of this out to Luke yet, when she's not free of Chris? I'm fairly certain that Lorelai's moment will be a 'crying her eyes out, talking about all of the mistakes she's made' kind of thing, but I can't for the life of me decide who she's going to say it to.

[Grizzly]

While I love the spec that Lorelai is in the diner when she finds out ('cause I'm a huge fan of F&S) it is also possible that Rory is in the diner visiting Lane. Although we haven't seen her in there lately, Rory has been to the diner this season. Luke could then overhear Rory's phonecall or perhaps Lorelai has to come into the diner to get Rory.

I personally think that unless it actually happens at Yale, Emily would call Lorelai first and leave it to her to tell Rory as with Trix's death.