» David Cook: You Had Me at "Hello" Options

[TWoP Bayliss]

This is neither a fan club nor a support group, it's a discussion website about television. This thread is about David Cook -- not what's going on with your junk, or lecturing everybody that disagrees with you about how amazing he is. Get a blog. If you are interested in starting a fan club on this thread about how much fun we're all having talking about how great David is, you need to take it somewhere else. This thread is for David. Not for fandom, not for shilling your CafePress merchandise, not for bullying people with different opinions or misusing the FTC/TP or dogpiling on them, not for discussing other boards, and not for fandom grudges. David.

If you want to make a wiki about David, or a list of words that he has once said, go do that. If you want to "squee" and talk about your ovaries, go do that. If you want to wax philosophical about things that have reminded you of David, no matter how strained or ludicrous the connection, or how commonplace those things are, feel free. But do it somewhere else. If your post mentions your age or how silly you feel being so very much in love with David, contains the terms "squee" or "Mavid" or "DC=42," arranges off-board forums, communities, IRL stalking, RPS and shipping, or lists of random crap, reconsider. If your post otherwise attempts to sandbag the thread into a de facto fan forum, you're breaking the rules. Break them in this thread, and you'll be banned from the site. Thanks.

From TWoP Gadget: Just because this thread is in "Old American Idol" and not in the current season -- doesn't mean the rules have changed. This is not a place for a virtual pissing match between fans and non-fans.

This post has been edited by TWoP Gadget: Oct 12, 2008 @ 12:04 pm.

[blinkeye]

Cook in yesterday's USA Today interview:

Cook hopes to validate the Idol decision, particularly since handicappers predicted a landslide for David Archuleta. Cook got 56% of the votes, 12 million more than the favorite.

"I guess I have a chip on my shoulder, because I hate that some people call it an upset, he says,

So I guess he feels he has something to prove which is pretty ridiculous since he won. Anyway, it's a decent, generic album. I highly doubt it will make any mark in rock history though. Not even a footnote. And if he gets a footnote, Daughtry deserves a chapter.

This post has been edited by blinkeye: Nov 18, 2008 @ 8:10 am.

[ggdoors]

So I guess he feels he has something to prove which is pretty ridiculous since he won. Anyway, it's a decent, generic album. I highly doubt it will make any mark in rock history though. Not even a footnote. And if he gets a footnote, Daughtry deserves a chapter.

It makes one begin to question all the statements he has made concerning his relationship w/David A. Has he been disingenuous in his comments? Does he really harbor this kind of bitterness after WINNING? The one thing I had been giving him credit for was his previously stated respect and genuine affection for David A, and the lack of competitiveness between them...not good, not good at all, DC.

This post has been edited by ggdoors: Nov 18, 2008 @ 9:02 am.

[O2Sean]

I was surprised by the Idol Chatter review. I remember the reviewer being a big fan of Cook's during the season. I think the show may not have prepared people well enough for the difference between the Cook they sold on the show and the real Cook, the one who may lean more towards the hard rock with pop production sound that many have become fatigued by.

I believe him when he says he's friends with David Archuleta. I don't know whether he's bitter or not, although any artist who stays in the business long enough without recognition becomes bitter, so he may feel that this is his last chance to get that recognition. The "important" stuff also doesn't surprise me, as Cook takes himself seriously, as many artists do.

I'm sure that his brother's cancer may also help speed his wish to have this album recognized, since he may feel he's not only doing this for himself, but also for the brother who may not have a chance of having a career in the industry.

[NancyGirl]

Months and months and months of him being gracious and complimenting Archie up the wazoo, and one quote in an article is enough to undo all that? A quote followed with... another compliment to Archie. LOL. What he said was that he hates that it was considered an upset - which is actually kinda justified, because he had been leading Archie for weeks, according to DialIdol and Simon Fuller - and he also admitted he was competitive. Big whoop. Who didn't know he was competitive? Archie is competitive too. He wanted to win. THEY ALL WANTED TO WIN. He also said about Archie, later in the article "To look at him as someone who needs protecting demeans him a little," he says. "I was seriously trying to keep my own boat afloat." More Archie respect. But, you know, he secretly hates the guy. That makes so much sense. Sigh. But YMMV and all that.

[blinkeye]

I don't see anything disrespectful to Archie in his comments. It just appears that Cook feels he has something to prove because he was "an upset winner." Which to me seems to be taking this kareoke contest too seriously. It also kind of implies that if Archie outsells him, he didn't deserve to win.

This post has been edited by blinkeye: Nov 18, 2008 @ 9:41 am.

[deedee2]

Has he been disingenuous in his comments? Does he really harbor this kind of bitterness after WINNING?

Not sure what people are taking as "bitterness". Sounds very much like David is merely annoyed by his victory being referred to as an upset (especially by the media), because the implication is that he somehow stole the title from its "rightful owner", and that he didn't DESERVE it.

It has Nothing to do with Archuleta at all. Cook can love, adore, respect and admire his competitors while simultaneously believing he did deserve to win - at least as much as anyone else. Both Cook and Archie deserved to win because they were both very good at what they did. Things just happened to go Cook's way in the final tally, and it is quite reasonable for him to want some acknowledgment that his victory was based on his own excellence as a competitor. It's not about his feelings for David Archuleta.

[straighta]

I'm sure that his brother's cancer may also help speed his wish to have this album recognized, since he may feel he's not only doing this for himself, but also for the brother who may not have a chance of having a career in the industry.

I believe Andrew is the brother who want to have a career in the music industry, not the ill brother. Talking about his, aren't there sadder, more serious issues going on in his life for him to "resent" how his win is called, or harbor any bitterness towards a kid?

To look at him as someone who needs protecting demeans him a little," he says. "I was seriously trying to keep my own boat afloat."

I didn't see any Archie respect here. He first denied the big bro/lil bro relationship as "media hokum." I don't know how self-important Cook is to think a brotherhood is all about protecting/being protected. I thought it's about mutual respect, closeness, and friendship and more? In my opinion it demeans Archuleta for Cook to think all the media hokum is about him protecting the kid.

This post has been edited by straighta: Nov 18, 2008 @ 9:49 am.

[waving feather]

"I guess I have a chip on my shoulder, because I hate that some people call it an upset," he says, then allows, "I stood on the side of the stage that last Tuesday and thought Archie owned it. Give the kid credit: 17 years old, and he came in as a front-runner and held it for 14 weeks. I came in under the radar and had time to get my feet under me."

Okay, what am I missing here?

To me, he said "Archie owned it". Isn't it a GOOD thing? And then he said to give Archie credit because he's only 17 and still did awesome in the competition. Well, that's a compliment in my book. He then continues to say that he did not have as much pressure as Arch 'cos no one saw him as the frontrunner. Self-depreciation. I don't get which part is bitter.

My mileage definitely varies in this instance.

ETA:

In my opinion it demeans Archuleta for Cook to think all the media hokum is about him protecting the kid.

Gosh, what I'd give for Cook to protect me! ;-)

This post has been edited by waving feather: Nov 18, 2008 @ 9:50 am.

[straighta]

Gosh, what I'd give for Cook to protect me! ;-)

A fan fantasy is supposed to be different from the respect you should show your fellow contestant.

This post has been edited by straighta: Nov 18, 2008 @ 9:53 am.

[waving feather]

A fan fantasy is supposed to be different from the respect you should show your fellow contestant.

I don't think anyone would want to protect someone they don't love. I just think the thought of someone looking out for me is cool. From all accounts, Archie seems to share that sentiment too. Unless he's being a liar as well. Which I doubt. But hey, I'll agree to disagree! :-)

[blinkeye]

Not to beat a dead horse but because someone linked this on the Archie thread (courtesy of CNN)

Q: David Cook's album comes out this month too. Do you feel like there's a competition all over again with him?

Archuleta: It never really felt like a competition with Cook. Not even on the show were we competitive very much. We're kind of in our different categories in the music world but I'm just hoping for the best. I'm real excited for his album too. I've heard a few of the songs and they sound great.

So it seems like it was less of a competition for Archie. And he doesn't seem interested in proving anything either. Anyway, the end of this topic for me.

This post has been edited by blinkeye: Nov 18, 2008 @ 10:10 am.

[ggdoors]

Months and months and months of him being gracious and complimenting Archie up the wazoo, and one quote in an article is enough to undo all that?

It's not just one comment.... There was that iTunes or Amazon related email sent out via RCA to promote his album that basically had the same tone of this article.... and left a bad taste in the mouths of many - not just DA fans. Why would this still be a "pain point" for him months after his 12 million vote margin of victory? What am I missing? IDK, but this to me is not the behavior or attitude of a winner. It's more disappointing than anything.

"The Battle of the Davids" was one of American Idol's fiercest competitions ever, as David Cook ultimately outlasted his younger competitor to win it all. With his self-titled debut, the rock-oriented vocalist is out to prove that viewers made the right choice. Pre-order the album on iTunes and get the pre-order-only track "My Last Request" when the album is released on November 18 and the single "Light On" will begin to download immediately.

This post has been edited by ggdoors: Nov 18, 2008 @ 10:16 am.

[NancyGirl]

Do you really think David Cook wrote the email? And wanting his fans to feel good about picking him is "against" Archie? I just don't see it. But I'm not going to argue about it any more. It's pointless.

blinkeye, I was talking about Archie being competitive in the sense he wanted to win the show, like the rest of them. I wasn't talking about album sales.

[straighta]

I don't think anyone would want to protect someone they don't love. I just think the thought of someone looking out for me is cool. From all accounts, Archie seems to share that sentiment too. Unless he's being a liar as well.

Wasn't Archuleta the one naively think it is a brother relationship and Cook is the one calling it media hokum? Judging from that CNN interview, Archuleta apparently hasn't get the memo that brotherhood is over, or never exists.

And as I said, wanting Cook to look out for you as a fan fantasy is supposed to be different from showing fellow contestants some respect.

I don't think Cook wrote the email himself. His need to "validate the idol decision" appeared to be more aggressive and insecure than that email RCA sent out.

This post has been edited by straighta: Nov 18, 2008 @ 10:39 am.

[deedee2]

I don't think Cook wrote the email himself. His need to "validate the idol decision" appeared to be more aggressive and insecure than that email RCA sent out.

Oh come on now. Cook saying he wants to prove the voters right is simply another way of saying he doesn't want to disappoint his fans with his product. Imagine Obama saying that in his inaugural address ... wouldn't it be a legitimate thing to say? Honestly.

Please. If you WANT to see horrible, nefarious things in Cook's words, you will. I'm finished with this now.

(and BTW, Cook didn't call it media hokum - that was the journalist.)

This post has been edited by deedee2: Nov 18, 2008 @ 10:52 am.