» The Bachelor/ette Spoilers: Who's Kissing Whom? Options

[tvglow]

I don't think Deanna will actually ask Jason to take her back. When she says "you still have time, you don't have to make the same mistake," I think it is in reference to proposing to somebody even if he is not 100% sure. This is probably too magnanimous of an interpretation, but I can not imagine her begging him to take her back. She is way too high on herself for that...although the thought of an additional 15 minutes or money could sway that.

The footlong comment - hilarious, made me laugh out loud. I'm guessing there will be a lot of hot tubbing in the next season.

I know I've said this before, but Brad is awesome...the outcome of his season made him my favorite bachelor to date.

[HavingFunNow]

I have heard all the rumors and I think that Reality Steve is, in the main, correct.

It appears obvious that he has some inside information, and that perhaps some has come from inside the production itself. That stuff might be a plant from ABC.

Either way, it appears that Mellisa gets dumped and the (an unpregnant) Molly gets her man. They deserve each other for being shallow, but that may not preclude them from having a happy life together. You can bet that ABC will air their wedding, if it comes to that, and that Molly and Jason will get another big payday. I am pretty sure in my own mind that it will happen. Even if they decide to divorce later, they will be fairly well off. Heck, ABC may do it even if they KNOW there will be a divorce, just so they can say they had a success this season.

I don't put anything past these people. Props to Melissa if she turned down being the next Bachelorette. I feel a bit sorry for her, as she is obviously not supported by her family, and from what I've seen of her friends, maybe doesn't have a great support group. Once again, this is all from ABC and their editing, so she may have great family support and great friends. I hope so.

[CalumetK]

Nevermind...kira28 pretty much answered my question.

This post has been edited by CalumetK: Mar 2, 2009 @ 1:59 pm.

[moonmarked]

I've seen lots of folks not be sure about the person they want to be with--and end up happily partnered for years--because some people...are just not ever sure of anything. I think it can be more of a general character trait for some folks, rather than a marker that they are unsure of their love and ability to be devoted to a particular, specific, person. In fact, what I like about this show is that it highlights that we are each multifaceted, and are oft at a crossroads where who we align ourselves with--friends, careers/workplace, lovers, partners--can make all the difference as to where we end up later in life. To have to choose who one might become based on who one partners with, and to see those paths in such stark contrast is pretty amazing.

I just can't buy into too much conspiracy around asking any of these people to "act" a certain way. It's hard enough to act as an actor; trying to dig deep to one's truth as an actor is hard and require discipline. It's much easier to ask people to just "act" as themselves, and to focus on that realness is what makes good reality television.

What if Melissa knew that she and Jason were ending, and that it would be announced/discussed/unfold on ATFR 1? If she were prepared for that, but not for Jason also deciding to try again with Molly? And what if Molly had stayed in touch with Jason, but as that ex-girl friend who wants to stay in touch and is deluding herself that she has let go enough to make a friendship possible (and you know, we've been beat upside the head about what wanting to end up with your best friend actually means) ? And Molly is therefore herself (somewhat) surprised when Jason decides to end his relationship with Melissa and asks (on air) if she would consider dating him? We return to AFTR2 to see how those earlier decisions played out...and Melissa decides she doesn't need to participate because she has moved forward.

This particular scenario is still made of drama and while it is sad for Melissa, it places the risk of disappointment on Jason, which seems more in keeping with his general edit and his agony over whether to go with Melissa or Molly, even after choosing to go with the seemingly more electric energetic relationship. It would make sense that he hesitates to go for the rather (to me) boring golf-buddy relationship with the strange familial seating relationships complete with funny hats. To circle back to wanting that (blah) steadiness of a relationship would be hard. And to ask Molly to decide whether she would be interested in starting again/picking up where they left off on LIVE TELEVISION is made of drama that you can't script cuz it works very which way because it is real, and the reality of it will be played out with the deepest emotional mining that can ever be had.

People love more than one person every day; we tell ourselves that one "love" is different from another so that we can continue to have multiple loving relationships. We make pacts with our partners about what our shared expectations of boundaries in these multiple loving relationships that coexist with our designated primary relationship. Sometimes we know we are fooling ourselves, and keep careful boundaries with colleagues and friends that threaten the primary relationship--sometimes we don't and have emotional affairs and sometimes we even act out our love outside of the commitments that we have made. And yet still. some of us have made commitments that allow for above-board multiple loving relationships (for example, many het couples allow deep love between their spouses and samesex friends as long as their is no "sex" because they perceive that the firend offers something that they do not; this affect is also present in homo couples.). Polyamory is a complex idea, and it's not always about sex or articulated desires and commitments.

TB is interesting because everyone involved is exploring what these boundaries really are and how comfortable we are with living within or without boundaries, whether they are socially constructed or individually enabled. I have no doubt that Jason loved both Melissa and Molly. In choosing between them he was deciding who he wants to be, how he wants to give and share love, and where he imagines his life could go. And by continuing with Melissa, he found his answer. And perhaps by re-engaging with Molly he has found yet still another answer, one which is more deeply satisfying, and certainly, seems unexpected. Although, it is early days yet, and we'll just have to see where they are in....3 weeks.

None of this surprises me--this happens all the times to the folks around me, trying to decide what you feel about the person you're dating, what it says about one's own dreams, having to hope that their desires are in sync with one's own, knowing that if being with them will change your life, then being with you will change their life, and since you can't know in advance what will happen, you've got to base a decision to move forward on something much less tangible. SO good on TB if they are able to portray somewhat accurately how hard it actually is to decide to be in love. For some of us, at least.

Jason just doesn't seem brave enough to risk "surprising" Molly with a request, proposal, whatever it turns out to be. If he dumped the girl months ago, and hasn't seen her since, I just can't picture him risking being shut down in front of however-many people watch this show. She could have easily moved on, or decided she hated his guts for whatever happened in the tent and/or fantasy suite and the rejection, right?

I think it's possible that these two have been in touch by text/email/phone, and that if Jason was interested in seeing Molly again, once he had clarifies for himself that he was ending the relationship with Melissa he'd just have his wingman, CH, have a little conversation with Molly to see what she's feeling about Jason. Just because Jason doesn't know the answer doesn't mean that production hasn't done it's pre-production homework. I don't think TB would let Jason ask the question cold and be turned down on air--that's not what the franchise promotes, is it?

But chances are, the only reason Jason thinks Molly would say yes is because their conversations have led him to believe that it is possible. I don't think Jason would need to see her in person to know that she was in love with him once, and might still be open to seeing him again.

This post has been edited by moonmarked: Mar 2, 2009 @ 2:20 pm.

[Bard Sinister]

I don't think Deanna will actually ask Jason to take her back. When she says "you still have time, you don't have to make the same mistake," I think it is in reference to proposing to somebody even if he is not 100% sure. tvglow

Reality Steve's mole reported that DeAnna did ask Jason to reconsider a relationship with her. He refuses and says he is now in love with two women. Some have interpreted this as foreshadowing a scripted ending that Jason dumps his intended F1 for F2. I don't believe that happened, but scenes with DeAnna could have been scripted that way just to make Jason look more desirable.

I have not seen any reports of what took place at ATFR II other than Steve's. I am sure some leaks came out via emails and private message boards. But if that AFTR taping was a "hoax," it was an expensive one. One attendee did report it lasted something like 6 hours, and the audience was fed lunch. Not only that, FleissCo would have had to shoot a phony AFTR I.

I think we will learn more about how scripted this show is once we see the entire contract signed by this year's contestants. From the bits posted by sdl on FORT (good luck finding them in the 1500 page threads), the waiver and release stated specifically that the show could spring surprises on the contestants. I don't recall mention of a clause stating any break up had to be on-screen, but any contestant who wished to leave the show supposedly had to state it on film.

[kira28]

I honestly don't believe that Jason loves or loved either Molly or Melissa. Or Deanna. I think he may have had some feelings for all three but not that he loved them. I don't think he really loves anyone but himself. I think he felt SOMETHING for all of them because their attention made him feel good about himself. I don't think Jason is naturally a confident guy. I think he is needy (like Melissa) and probably defines his self worth by how much attention he gets (the fame whore complex). I might even go as far as questioning how much he actually loves his son (as in protective love) because he let Ty be shown on national tv. With crazies out there worse than Shannon (she knew WAY too much about his personal life) shouldn't he be afraid that someone who saw Ty on tv might try to kidnap him or hurt him in some way? I just don't think a parent is doing the best for their child by pimping him out on tv. At the very least it had to be stressful for a 4 yr old to have to "live" in a strange house, not have his dad around on a regular basis (while he filmed the Bachlorette and then the Bachelor), and to have strangers with lights and cameras in his face and then having to meet two unfamiliar women and interact with them while being around all the cameras.

In the long run, if he got paid a lot to do the Bachelor then yes, it would help out Ty financially but it seems to be more of an upset to the poor kid's life than anything. Jason just seems all ME, ME, ME and the hell with everyone else. I feel bad for Melissa if she was publicly dumped but in reality she dodged a bullet. She is way too good for Jason. He'll get tired of Molly too when the newness and excitement wears off or as soon as he is distracted by some shiny object along the way. As soon as some new girl comes along that makes Jason feel all warm and fuzzy inside he'll drop Molly and propose to the new chick.

[TheotherWalter]

From what I am reading, I do not think it was set up from the beginning but I do think it was set up and only Jason was in on it and not Molly (she of at least 10 extra teeth) or Melissa

On ew.com they have a Bachelor "Where Are They Now" updated just a little and Brad said that he told the producers 2 weeks before the finale that he did not want to be with any of the women but they made him go ring shopping and everything else anyway. So they knew he was not picking anyone, did not like either of the women, and the producers basically set up an ending. Nothing makes me think they did not do the same with the 4th Jonas Brother Jason

[tvglow]

Nothing makes me think they did not do the same with the 4th Jonas Brother Jason

Not a bad likeness, but in the total opposite of Jason, the Jonas' wear purity rings.

[Squeezer]

I'm very curious to see the reactions to what happens tonight via the episode thread, vs. this spoiler thread. To the unspoiled, as many have pointed out here, the way the show is edited to make Jason look like a gutsy, good guy, hero single dad, may succeed in providing a shocking, but palatable ending, in stark contrast to the villification (rightly deserved) I'm sure Jason will recieve here in the spoiler thread. Can't wait.

[ZulaMay]

After the show is finished airing, those of us in the know can report to the regular thread and tell them what really went down. I intend to do it; because I don't want anyone letting the guy off the hook. And I don't know who in the Hell would want to watch Jason and Molly get married on TV. They are not romantic like Trista and Ryan were, and they got together at the emotional expense of another, far more likeable girl.

[sweetea]

Where did we get that Melissa was flying into Seattle every other weekend and Molly on alternate weekends? I don't remember ever seeing that as a fact anywhere but people keep saying that so I must have missed it? I was under the impression that Molly was genuinely surprised when Jason broke up with Melissa at the taping and that she and Jason were still in contact via phone, texting, and emails, but had not actually seen each other since leaving New Zealand.

It's in the US Weekly article.

[ciaobellame]

On ew.com they have a Bachelor "Where Are They Now" updated just a little and Brad said that he told the producers 2 weeks before the finale that he did not want to be with any of the women but they made him go ring shopping and everything else anyway. So they knew he was not picking anyone, did not like either of the women, and the producers basically set up an ending.

Wow that's really shitty. Deanna bugs me, but she at least has a point about being led on. If Brad knew for two solid weeks, that means he was continuing to suck face with two girls that he knew he couldn’t see himself with. That’s low.

Melissa is not the whole package. She may be pretty but finding out that she went back to the ex-boyfriend shows that she is needy.

[Lady V]

Steve updated.

There is not much new, more of a summary of everything. He is going to type up the rest of the audio-lost Megan interview, and he says he will decide about posting the emails after watching how the shows spin this.

[Squeezer]

After the show is finished airing, those of us in the know can report to the regular thread and tell them what really went down. I intend to do it; because I don't want anyone letting the guy off the hook.

Oh, I agree Zula. I think the unspoiled should be made aware. But, I am kinda hoping to see their first reactions, before everything comes out, to see if they buy into the edits and see Jason as a good guy and what their first reactions would be. Will they see through it on their own before we invite them to the spoiler board to see what we've been known all along? Do me a favor, Zula. At least wait a little while before you let them see behind the curtain :)

This post has been edited by Squeezer: Mar 2, 2009 @ 3:37 pm.

[TheFinalRose]

The other day People.com had a fluff article about Jason and who would he choose and all the comments were all "Oh, I can tell Melissa is the one for him by the way he looks into his eyes!" and "Melissa all the way, she is a sweetheart, just like him!" and on and on. I was really surprised there that in the first few pages of comments that I could stomach there was no leaking of the spoilers. So there are a lot of loyal viewers who we can expect to be stunned!! and outraged!! and to buy the whole poor Jason has a change of heart scenario!!! hook line and sinker. Should be fun to watch the reactions.

This post has been edited by TheFinalRose: Mar 2, 2009 @ 4:35 pm.