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Aug 13, 2009 @ 6:07 pm
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 7:29 am
One thing that I hope doesnt happen with Mark and Chelsie. They apparently are so pimping Mark that I fear that Chelsie might fall by the wayside. I think they are equally pulling their weight in this partnership and I hope that the judges dont turn on her once they hit top 10 (which I have a feeling they may) ala Kameron. This may begin to sour my taste for Mark if Chelsie really knocks it out of the park in the tango and he receives all the glory.

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Jun 17, 2008 @ 7:41 am
One thing that I hope doesnt happen with Mark and Chelsie. They apparently are so pimping Mark that I fear that Chelsie might fall by the wayside. I think they are equally pulling their weight in this partnership and I hope that the judges dont turn on her once they hit top 10 (which I have a feeling they may) ala Kameron. This may begin to sour my taste for Mark if Chelsie really knocks it out of the park in the tango and he receives all the glory.


Nah, I doubt that is going to happen. Chelsie got the lion's share of pimping and praise last ep, so if Mark gets it this ep, it will balance them out. I really hope they go the distance and make it to the top four because they are my favorite couple and my favorite dancers.
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:33 am
If anything, I think the Lacey/Kameron thing is going to happen this season with Joshua and Katee. I'm betting that the judges won't have much use for her once they hit the Top 10.
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:57 am
Heh. A waltz set to "A New Day" by Celine sounds somewhat familiar. Different choreographers, obviously.


This is from SYTYCD Australia! I absolutely love it!
It's my favorire performance by Rhys & Jemma.
Choreographer of this routine is Jason Gilkison and he is famous for choreographing "Burn the Floor".
I hope Jason will get a chance to choreograph a routine for America Version of SYTYCD.
His routine is out of the box (which Mia likes very much), and his choreograhy will give the show a breath of fresh air.

Can't wait to watch the show!
I'm desperately waiting in Korea.:)
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 9:04 am
Honestly, LiL C's crown and glory was S2's Travis and Martha's krump to "Clap Back", and that's onle because Travis did that probably better than some trained hip hop dancers. Lil C has failed to create choreography that was as/more innavative than that to a song that is conducive to creating such choreography. I honestly think choreographing krump is a real challenge because really it is a form without boundaries and requires great mental and physical skill to create movements with the body with that kind of musicality. Because of that, I think it is nearly impossible to choreoraph a krump routine because it is truly a freestyle form. Thusly, it is once in a blue moon than we'll see a krump routine that will be as good as watching a krump freestyle session. So it doesn't suprise me that Comfort and Chris do not shine ib this, even though it is the contestant's job to make the most out of the choreography he/she is given. Of course I have not seen them yet so I don't know, but I would attribute this more to LiL C than to Comfort.

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Jun 17, 2008 @ 9:10 am
Lil C has failed to create choreography that was as/more innavative than that to a song that is conducive to creating such choreography.


I cannot believe the Krump was not good enough, again.:( I think Lil'C's style got softer. Comparing Travis and Martha's Krump to Jesus & Sara's, or Dominic & Lauren's, I don't think there was an 'aggressiveness' we expect to Krump. I'm worried if Lil' C did another less agreessive Krump routine, which fails people's expectations again. For me, I want to see Krump wilder and more animalistic...
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 10:46 am
Didn't Nigel make negative comments about how aggressive the Martha/Travis krump was? Nigel seems to prefer bland, generic pop-hop. I wouldn't be surprised if he asked that the krumping be toned down.

I apologize for assuming Comfort couldn't krump. Everything I've seen from her so far has been so underwhelming, I forgot that the show can make even great artists seem untalented.

I'm glad we're going to get to see something from "Godspell".

I do think Mark could face backlash soon, but Mia's criticism of him last week does temper the judge fawning.

They seem to be critical of a number of women this week. I wonder if they got some negative feedback for how ridiculous their praise was last week.
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 10:51 am
April Marie where are you???
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 11:42 am
They seem to be critical of a number of women this week. I wonder if they got some negative feedback for how ridiculous their praise was last week.


I think you may have hit the nail on the head O2. I remember that Dan quite clearly stated that they were a lot easier on some people than they should have been, I think this is a reflection on the fact that some of the girls did not do as well as the commentary they received suggested.
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
I am glad to hear Mia called Kherington out on the faces she makes as well as criticizing Jessica and Kourtni. If we could have gotten rid of both of them last week, I would have been happy. I agree O2Sean that they maybe criticizing certain dancers harsher this week in response that many felt the judges were too easy on them last week.

I do think Mandy's choreography is more jazz so not sure if that is where Courtney may have gotten the more jazz style in her dancing this week. We'll se in the rehearsal package.

I really do not see Joshua/Katee as frontrunners or pimped. Maybe because neither received much attention or fawning before the first show and seem to be garnering praise through their dancing. I am okay with that. I do hope they do not give Katee the Kam/Lacey or Dom/Sabra treatment. I felt Dom was thrown aside after Nigel's favorite Sabra made it to the top 10. The two couples I like Joshua/Katee and Mark/Chelsie are doing well so I am glad. Nigel was pretty tough last week on Mark with his "if you make it through" comment so I am glad he is getting some praise this week.

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Jun 17, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
April Marie where are you???

I'm here provencal. I apologize for not posting last night guys, but I was so exhausted after the show and it was pretty late after eating dinner & getting home. Since the pairs & daances have been posted already, I'll just give my thoughts and any other details I can remember. Although I don't think the order of dances is correct, I can't remember the exact order so I'll leave it the way it is. (For example, I could've sworn Josh & Katee were in the 1st half of the show-like #3 or 4-and Mark & Chelsie were #2.) I may have to break this up into 2 posts because I have a lot to say.

*Thayne & Chelsea T. (Mandy Moore Jazz) - This was a character piece-a king and his forbidden/secret love. I liked it. It wasn't my favorite of the night, but I really enjoyed it. Nigel really didn't like the costumes, but he said it WASN'T THEIR FAULT. It makes me wonder if he's said that before and that part of the comment just was cut out. One of the judges (Mia I think) said that they didn't play their roles fully enough: Thayne wasn't regal enough & Chelsea wasn't sexy enough, or something like that. Mia didn't really believe the roles they were playing. All of the judges really liked the choreo, they just thought that Thayne & Chelsea didn't perform it well. (This statement could have been the theme of the night since it was said a few times.) I disagreed with the judges. I thought that they did a really good job and had great technique. Unless Mandy herself wants to show me how it was supposed to be done, or says that they didn't execute what she choreo'd, I'm going to continue to believe they did well.

*William & Jessica (hip-hop) - Again, I liked it, didn't love it. Will really embodied (to use a Mia-like word) the dance more than Jessica. He was loads better her and my eye kept going to him in the dance. Honestly I'm not surprised William did well because he's probably taken some hip-hop classes, being a student at Debbie Allen's academy. It definitely showed that he was more comfortabele in the routine than Jessica was. Sesame & Olestra (I honestly can't remember their real names. In the studio I thought of them as what we call them.) used chairs in this routine and used them in quite a bit in the choreo. I thought it was interesting that both this week & last, Will & Jess have had chairs in their routine. Like one of the posts said, the judges pimped Will a lot, and had negative critiques for Jess. Mia said that she agreed with what Nigel said last week about Will being in the Final 4. I hate when they say that this early, but if he keeps doing well across other genres, I think he'll last a long time.

*Mark & Chelsie H. (Argentine tango) - Love, love, LOVED it!!! In my opinion, one of the best of the night. This is Chelsie's genre, so I expected her to at least be good, but Mark was a revelation. I didn't think he'd be bad since he's a great dancer & I think he can pick up choreo very well, but I didn't think he'd be as fantastic as he was. Mark didn't look like a contemp-dancer-doing-tango, he looked like a tango dancer, someone who may not be an expert, but has had experience doing it. In their video package, Chelsie said that it was hard to get the intense, sexy emotion that they are supposed to have down since they have more of a brother-sister relationship, but they had the right emotion during their performance. I fully believed everything they were trying to convey and their technique was fabulous. The judges all loved it, everyone in the studio loved it. The judges were all surprised Mark did so well; they seem to really like him, so I'm not sure what was up with last week's comments. Mia said Mark looked very handsome, very Hollywood (or something like that) and he did. They both looked very good. The only negative thing that was said was Nigel thought Chelsie should have been "more sleazy"-whatever the hell that means. He said that when you see "old people" dancing it, they "have a cigarette in one hand and a glass of Jack Daniels in the other". Nigel said that the Argentine tango is supposed to be sleazier than the regular tango, and Chelsie wasn't sleazy enough. Now I completely disagree with Nigel, and am wondering what he was smoking before the taping. I would be VERY surprised if this couple ended up in the bottom 3.

*Matt & Kourtni (Foxtrot) - I thought they did a really good job. Another liked it but didn't love it. They did look very nice while dancing. Kourtni's dress was lovely-long, light green, very pretty. Jean-Marc did very good choreo and I thought they had good technique, but I'm not an expert in the foxtrot, so I could be wrong. They looked like 2 contemp dancers doing the foxtrot, albeit a pretty good one. When compared to the tango, though, it was not as good. I know they are 2 totally different dances, but I am talking about the level of technique and performance of that the 2 couples had, not the actual dances. (I hope you guys get what I'm saying.) They had a great lift at the end that made the audience gasp & cheer. There was also a cool trick in the middle of the dance, but I don't want to give it away. Mary said that the technique wasn't great, and aside from the lifts and tricks, they didn't do a great job. Mia said that she expected better lines from Kourtni because she is so tall. She also said that while Kourtni is strong/has confidence/takes pride in her legs (ie, her develope, etc), she needs to be strong everywhere (or something like that). I think it makes more sense when you hear Mia say it in context because I'm not getting it exactly right. I actually kind of agreed with Mia about Kourtni. I don't recall any greatly negative things the judges said about Matt. This couple could be in the bottom 3 depending on how America likes it and the other dances.

*Gev & Courtney (Contemporary) - I loved this routine, so beautiful. It was one of my top 3 of the show. Mandy choreo'd a simple story about 2 lovers but it wasn't a simple dance; there were some difficult parts to the routine and it required good technique. I thought that they did a great job, and was surprised by how well Gev did. I think he must have taken some contemp classes (which I think he said in his audition) because his movement and lines were very good, like he had some training in dancing lyrically. He didn't look like a hip-hopper doing contemp. There were some great lifts in this routine, esp the one at the beginning. It's too hard to describe in words so you'll just have to wait to see it. Courtney did very well, but I would expect that of her. Gev is very strong and was a very good partner for Courtney. The judges all agreed with me about that and that it was a good performance(YAY for me!). Mia did say that Courtney was "too jazz" and Nigel (I think) said that it seemed like Courtney was the man in this dance, but I didn't agree with either of them. I think this was the couple that Mia said that she was nitpicking, but after 9 dances and 27 critiques, I can't be sure. All night, it seemed like the judges were overly critical of the girls, because I didn't agree with most of what they said. Gev got a lot of the comments Kam got last year after the contemp: you were a good partner, always there for her, etc. I would be very surprised if Gev & Courtney are in the bottom 3, esp. if they weren't after last week.

I'm going to break here because this is getting to be very long. Stay tuned for the 2nd half.
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 12:17 pm
Nigel was pretty tough last week on Mark with his "if you make it through" comment so I am glad he is getting some praise this week.


That was Matt.

They apparently are so pimping Mark that I fear that Chelsie might fall by the wayside.


I get what you're saying and I hope they are careful because I really like Mark and Chelsie.

But I find "pimping" or praising one over another acceptable, understanding or tolerable in certain contexts. Such as when you're surprised that a person handled something so well. This is why I couldn't get too upset when Heidi was praised more for the bench dance than Travis. Everyone knew that both of them made that dance work and that Travis was wonderful in that routine, but it made sense, to me, that the judges would focus on her initially. I don't think many people were left with the impression that she was better than him.

Chelsie may not be highly trained in tango dancing but she knows some of the skills. Mark, on the other hand, has never done this. So I understand the reaction. I just hope there isn't lopsided discussion like there was for some couples last year.


BTW - I love you, April Marie, for the details!! Your recap is excellent!

This post has been edited by loseresque: Jun 17, 2008 @ 12:19 pm.
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
Mary said that the technique wasn't great, and aside from the lifts and tricks, they didn't do a great job.


Fascinating. Mary suddenly wants to talk about technique with a couple the judges don't like very much, after she spent most of last week reduced to HOT TAMALE AAAGGH WOO WOO HOT TAMALE TRAIN. I wish the judges had been so critical of some of the shoddy technique in the ballroom dances last week.
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Thank you so much April Marie for the spoiler treats, can't wait to read some more reviews :)

I must say that I am disappointed in Chelsea T. and Thayne because they were my sort of "revelation" couple last weel. I thought they had great chemistry and they were both very vivacious. They were one of my top 3 couples. They seem like the type of people that if they feel themselves slipping, they're gonna try their damdest to kick ass next week so hopefully they'll have the opportunity to do that.

Chelsea T. and Thayne might be my favorite couple, but ever since Vegas week my favorite male has been Mark. To put that kind of humor in choreo for Bohemian Rhapsody, and by doing this enhancing the choreo and not belittling it to a joke or mocking the music, is genius. I am very excited to see this Argentine Tango

btw the obvious difference between a twop spoiler and an idf spoiler makes me glad to be on this message board haha
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Jun 17, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Fascinating. Mary suddenly wants to talk about technique with a couple the judges don't like very much, after she spent most of last week reduced to HOT TAMALE AAAGGH WOO WOO HOT TAMALE TRAIN. I wish the judges had been so critical of some of the shoddy technique in the ballroom dances last week.


Well said. When I was reading April Marie's FABULOUS spoilers, I was thinking the same thing. It makes me all the more disgusted with how she acted last week. I know Mary is capable of giving a fair/accurate critique and I would appreciate it if she would give one EVERY week.

Like someone said upstream, there must have been some backlash for all the tongue-baths last week. (and yes, that means YOU mary)

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