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» 14-12: "Match Point" 2007.06.05 (recap)
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Let me start off by saying that I loved Cara's entire routine during the mission. She starts off by pushing Kenny and giggling, then stares at her giraffe for what seems like forever, then stops at the water and looks around, then finds the giraffe but still wanders around anyway, chats with Kenny (telling him flat out that she's trying to help Susie win the Lifeshield) and then does a little slapstick fall and rolls around on the ground (and she still beat Davis, Ace and Alton as far as times go). But the best part was Davis' reaction: "Cara is acting kind of suspicious." YOU THINK?

It took me longer than everyone else, but I am officially fed up with Susie. "I didn't like that they celebrated Paula's win! What about ME?! WAH!" I also think it's strange that she always defines her relationship with Cara based on how hard Cara tries to help her win money. "Cara is good friend for stumbling around. I love her for that." I wonder if Susie would intentionally slow down for Cara if she were going into the Inferno? I doubt it.

Evelyn is a spazz, and I seriously do not care for her.

So Susie kicks Jenn's ass in the Inferno...not surprised. Jenn is a lot of hot air. She was entertaining, I guess.

I think the Johnny, Cara, Ace thing was just a mix up. Johnny himself said that no one was listening to him, so why did he freak out and decide Cara and Susie were poisoning Ace against him? Didn't Cara ask everyone right in front of Johnny? And "cancer"? Really? I like Johnny but he takes this shit a little too seriously for my taste.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
I hate Susie! "Paula won and I'm going to the 'Infuerno', and everyone is celebrating Paula! Why doesn't anyone have some sympathy for me?" I wanted to reach through my TV, smack her upside her head, and tell her "No one has any sympathy for you because you and your best friend are manipulating missions, possibly at the cost of a team win!" I also wanted someone to say "Someone has to go in, why not you, or better yet, Cara? Why should Paula go in, when she has consistently performed well?"

I also think Bananas was correct in his assessment of Susie and Cara. When Cara is deliberately underperforming because of Susie and when Susie wants to take out Paula just so her best friend can stay? I'd call that sabotaging the team from within. Cancer may be too strong an analogy, but its up there, especially when there's a huge sum of money in play. (For the record, I do love Johnny and I hate "Poor Little Susie".)

I am also starting to dislike Alton because of his comment about wishing there were three more infernos so all the girls could go. Umm, Alton? Didn't Paula have the best time out of everybody, including all the guys on your team as well as everyone else on the other team?

This post has been edited by Remlab: Jun 5, 2007 @ 4:37 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
When Cara is deliberately underperforming because of Susie and when Susie wants to take out Paula just so her best friend can stay? I'd call that sabotaging the team from within. Cancer may be too strong an analogy, but its up there, especially when there's a huge sum of money in play. (For the record, I do love Johnny and I hate "Poor Little Susie".)

I like Johnny, too, but he needs to reasses the situation. They won the mission, just like they won the pole walk and Wrap and Roll. Cara beat half of her own team and more than half of the other team. She's walking a fine line, but if he's really worried about the money he needs to look at the men on his team. I think something else entirely is up his ass, though.
I am also starting to dislike Alton because of his comment about wishing there were three more infernos so all the girls could go. Umm, Alton? Didn't Paula have the best time out of everybody, including all the guys on your team as well as everyone else on the other team?

Maybe he's referring to the fact that Paula did the same thing to Rachel and she should be held responsible for that? But I thought Alton knew about that and was in favor of it? I don't know, really. Again, the Good girls win their head-to-head individual challenges against the BA girls, so I don't get how he could really be that bummed about it. I guess I don't understand game show "honor".

I love that Ace was making fun of Alton as he flailed in the mission. "Every day I wake up and hear about how awesome he is! That's all he talks about!" Ha!

This post has been edited by Red Okay: Jun 5, 2007 @ 4:49 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Yeah, I'd be on the men's side of the "girls suck and throw missions" if the girls actually threw a mission. Since Cara does go for slower times than Susie I'd say she threw it but she didn't disqualify (and really, the only way to really throw a mission is to not complete it IMO), she never disqualifies on purpose. In fact, the men should ask her to "throw" all her missions because the GGs win when she doesn't try her hardest. Hello? Stop whining.

Also, I really think Susie was being sarcastic when she said she didn't like the celebration. I don't think she takes herself nearly as seriously as other people do.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Good episode, up until Jenn had problems with the carabiner. If she nailed it, Susie would have gone home. Instead, we get at least three more weeks of Susie being Susie, and me silently hoping that somebody punches her in the face. C'mon, Cara...she'd so sell your ass out for the money. Wise up, girl!

Cute mission with the giraffes. Kinda fun to see a mission where Alton can't excel, and Evelyn blows it for her team. Loved her teammates talking about how she can't get it done, and then start cheering for her. Classic stuff.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Since Cara does go for slower times than Susie I'd say she threw it but she didn't disqualify (and really, the only way to really throw a mission is to not complete it IMO), she never disqualifies on purpose.

Cara had no control that her team would end up winning. She still threw the misssion. That her supposed team ended up winning had to do with Ev screwing up, not anything Cara did or was aware of. She tried for a slower time in a timed team mission with money on the line and then Cara and Susie started trouble with Johnny/Ace by telling blatant lies trying to show that an individual was putting his individual concerns over the team which is exactly what Susie and Cara are doing. Cara and Susie's priority is Cara and Susie not the team. And, Susie somehow thinks she deserves credit for "avoiding" the inferno. That others are taking the heat for you, does not mean you are deserving, Susie. And how dare the team be happy for Paula who works hard and has to contend with you and your best friend. Why is it OK for Paula to go into the inferno and not you, Susie? Susie and Cara are cancers. OMG Kina was right about them! Ewww.

ETA: And, Cara exudes fakeness.

This post has been edited by J19: Jun 5, 2007 @ 5:54 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Cara had no control that her team would end up winning. She still threw the misssion. That her supposed team ended up winning had to do with Ev screwing up, not anything Cara did or was aware of.

Cara's time was 13:56, which was a better time than Abram, Davis, Jenn, Tonya, Ace, Ev, Alton and Kenny (and maybe Derrick, his time wasn't clear). She was deliberately slacking, definitely, but she contributed more to the GG team winning than all of the guys excluding Johnny and she beat the majority of the BA team.
She tried for a slower time in a timed team mission with money on the line and then Cara and Susie started trouble with Johnny/Ace by telling blatant lies trying to show that an individual was putting his individual concerns over the team which is exactly what Susie and Cara are doing.

I don't know about that, either. It's not that I think Cara or Susie are above that sort of thing, but what purpose would it serve? More importantly, I'm not sure they were lying. They didn't show Johnny telling the team specifically about the markings. They showed him say "This is what it was..." and then his confessional had him explaining that he noticed the marks. Later, when Cara expressed surprise about the marks (in front of Johnny, no less), Alton also said that he didn't know anything about the marks. So either Alton was in on it (doubt it), Johnny wasn't clear about what he was saying (maybe) or Johnny didn't tell them. Obviously I love Cara, so I'm not impartial at all, but if Johnny told them about the marks, how did Cara, Alton, Susie and Ace all miss it while they were standing in a circle around him? And Paula is the only one who actually heard this information? Big coincidence, in my opinion.

This post has been edited by Red Okay: Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:13 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
The point I was trying to make is that Susie and Cara are obviously not team players, even though they are part of a team. In this sense, I don't think it really matters to Johnny, Alton, and Ace that they won; I think it matters to them that Susie is asking Cara to not do her best, and Cara is complying. If they lost the missions by seconds or even minutes, I would be blaming Cara, because she wasted time when she already had her giraffe. Alton's and Ace's times didn't help, but they weren't rolling around goofing off either. That said, I also loved the way Cara was acting because it was funny.

However, if Susie had won the lifeshield, she was sending Paula into the inferno, but sending in Cara would have been a better team choice. Paula is a team player and gives her best to the missions. She got the farthest on the rope challenge next to Susie, and she did well on the log walk challenge, even though she had to go first and didn't have the advantage of devising a strategy, while both Cara and Susie did. It just seems to me that Paula is a stronger player and that doesn't matter to Susie or Cara. The only thing that matters to either of them is Susie, and that's not how you win when you're on a team.

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They didn't show Johnny telling the team specifically about the markings. They showed him say "This is what is was..." and then his confessional had him explaining that he noticed the marks. Later, when Cara expressed surprise about the marks (in front of Johnny, no less), Alton also said that he didn't know anything about the marks. So either Alton was in on it (doubt it), Johnny wasn't clear about what he was saying (maybe) or Johnny didn't tell them. Obviously I love Cara, so I'm not impartial at all, but if Johnny told them about the marks, how did Cara, Alton, Susie and Ace all miss it while they were standing in a circle around him? And Paula is the only one who actually heard this information? Big coincidence, in my opinion.


I checked my DVR and Johnny definitely tells Paula, Ace, Davis, Cara, Susie, and Alton about his strategy. Cara is kind of standing behind Paula and Susie is not really in the shot, but from the footage run during his interview, you can tell Susie was there. Paula is standing closest to him and Cara is standing the farthest away, but definitely not more than about 6 or 7 feet away. The first time he says it all you hear is "I'll tell you what it was," and then it goes to Johnny's confessional or interview or whatever it is called and him explaining it to the viewers. But as he's doing his interview, its run over footage of him explaining it the rest of the team. During this, the team has kind of changed positions, and you can even see Susie standing right in front of him and in his interview he says "They're not taking me seriously." So when Ace claims that Johnny didn't tell him (during Ace's interview that takes place over Paula's run), he's kind of proven Johnny's point that Ace wasn't listening as Johnny was explaining it. During Johnny's interview, Johnny also makes the claim that he blurted it out, with no real care or concern that the other team was listening to him, so its possible that he didn't realize that not everyone heard him fully explain it. But everyone was definitely present for it.

The second time we see that footage, its longer and also captioned, but you can hear him say "I'll tell you what it was. There's markings on the legs." I assumed they cut the part about the feet the first time we see the footage because Johnny was explaining it to the viewers, and production figured that was better. They showed this scene at the end of the episode when he was fighting with Ace, but it took place during the challenge. You can tell because Bananas is all winded and such. He's kind of gasping for air as he says it, which is probably why they captioned it.

But even without this footage, when Paula is first starting, you hear Johnny yelling out "Look at the feet! Are there etchings by the feet?" And then Cara says to Alton "If Johnny knew about the marks by the feet, why didn't Ace know?" And Johnny says "I told him, but he wasn't listening to me." Alton and Cara are both speaking over Johnny saying that they didn't know about them either, but Johnny went after both Alton and Cara, so how could he have told them? This strengthens Johnny's argument that Cara was trying to turn Ace against him because who else would have brought this up to Ace? During the mission, Cara went over and deliberately said to Ace "Did you know about the markings," and Ace says he didn't. This was done in front of Johnny, so its logical that Johnny would assume that Cara was trying to start some shit between the guys.

Also, I think Johnny didn't want Paula to go home (rightfully so, IMO), so that's why he blurted it out during Paula's run. Perhaps he didn't yell it to Ace during Ace's run because he hadn't yet realized no one was listening to him, but when it was Paula's turn, it dawned on him that no one was listening and that's why he said to Cara that no one was listening.

As you can tell, my love for The Bananas knows no bounds!

This post has been edited by Remlab: Jun 5, 2007 @ 7:00 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
You know - as Jenn was cussing her ass off with Derrick sitting by her, all I could think was "Wow. Those two are pretty much made for each other."

It was pretty fun to see both Alton and Ev falter so much. That shot of Ev running back into the water carrying a wooden giraffe like a madwoman almost had me in tears from laughter.

Damn Susie for actually winning that Inferno. She still might have had it had Jenn gotten that flag off of her earlier, but it would have been so much closer. Hard to believe that DAVIS would be the last remaining Denver cast member in this thing.

I was pretty impressed with Janelle this challenge. Fastest time for the challenge, and girlfriend has some THIGHS hidden away under her clothes. Though, from the previews, I have to wonder about her surviving an Inferno. True, it's against Cara, but an endurance Inferno in what seems to be modified Electric Chairs? It should REALLY be something.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
I see what you're saying Remlab, and I agree somewhat. I definitely think Susie has an air of entitlement that is unappealing, and I agree that Paula is an asset to the team (although I don't think her leaving or staying over either Susie or Cara would affect the team much), but scheming per se does not bother me.
The only thing that matters to either of them is Susie, and that's not how you win when you're on a team.

I would agree with this is if it were the Olympics or some legitimate sport or even little league. I think we just have different philosophies about the competition. No matter what they say about unity or whatever else, no one is there for their randomly assigned "teams". The teams are just to support the weak theme of the show. Why would anyone have loyalty to these silly teams above their own self-interest? It's the same reason I have no problem with Aneesa sticking around despite her knee problems. I feel like they're there to win money, not represent a producer-assigned division.

I also think it's a little hypocritical for them to get all upset about it now. I mean, obviously Johnny wants Paula to stay and will try to help her win. Alton was ready to throw Davis to the wolves for Timmy (and he even tried to bullshit that it was based on merit of some sort, which infuriated me). Paula was all about helping Susie when her own ass wasn't on the line. It's a little late for the 'Go Blue!' pow wow. Plus, witch hunts about imagined moral failings in competitions just irk me.
I was pretty impressed with Janelle this challenge.

Me too. I guess I have to eat my words about her being overrated. Boo.

This post has been edited by Red Okay: Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:44 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Cara's time was 13:56, which was a better time than Abram, Davis, Jenn, Tonya, Ace, Ev, Alton and Kenny (and maybe Derrick, his time wasn't clear). She was deliberately slacking, definitely, but she contributed more to the GG team winning than all of the guys excluding Johnny and she beat the majority of the BA team.


It doesn't really matter what her end time is or that others did worse; Cara tried to go slower in a mission that time mattered. She was able to do better and she did worse. If she got the time she should have without slacking for Susie (that can be a band name), the team would have done better. It is not like she had knowledge of how others would do and knew what time she needed. Slacking for a friend hurts the team.

Johnny gathered everyone around him and told the "secret" (more like slipup by production). The funny thing is that some of the people in the conversation questioning Johnny were people he told (Davis and Alton). These people are so dumb they don't even remember things they are told.


Paula was all about helping Susie when her own ass wasn't on the line. It's a little late for the 'Go Blue!' pow wow.


I think at that point protecting Susie was more about protecting a strong player and also screwing what the BAs wanted; particularly Tonya. Yeah, the concept is the same but that was more team oriented then helping my bff.

Susie has an air of entitlement that is unappealing
Susie thinks Susie is cute and special and all things good. Blech.

how did Cara, Alton, Susie and Ace all miss it while they were standing in a circle around him? And Paula is the only one who actually heard this information? Big coincidence, in my opinion.


But Susie knew. Johnny didn't keep the info from her (though he should have just to help Paula). She used his system. That was not even the Susie/Cara argument: that Johnny kept the info from Suzie for Paula's sake. They are trying to say that Johnny is selfish and wanted to keep the info so he would do better than Ace (who still would have screwed up even with the info, well, because he is Ace) so he gets the scooter. So by not claiming he held back from Susie, it means the info was out there and he didn't pull Paula to the side. Their argument is that Johnny is being self interested and we know specifically that Cara and Susie are being self interested. Johnny did tell everyone else. Ace was a bit back from him and didn't gather in a huddle but this is not Johnny's fault, it is Ace's fault and he is stupid to buy into a conspiracy when there was no one.

Their motivation for this is to get at Johnny who probably has expressed his displeasure at Susie and Cara's behavior and also to move blame away from themselves.

This post has been edited by J19: Jun 5, 2007 @ 7:05 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Red Okay, I understand your point as well. The scheming would not bother me either, but I hate Susie's entitlement. Cara made it seem like Johnny pulling some bullshit, when in all reality, she and Susie were the one participating in the schemes.

You are completely right when you say this isn't a legitimate sport by any means, but Susie acts like this is the end-all of competitions with all of her "Please screw up so I can win the lifeshield!" bullshit. That behavior motivates me to point out that she is the one who is acting like she wants to be there, even if it fucks up the team. Ya know, on the off chance that Susie will read this.

Also, you were posting during my (unbelievably long) edit, but I explained that I love Johnny and he can do no wrong in my eyes. (Yes, I am a little obsessed, in case you were wondering.)
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
That was not even the Susie/Cara argument: that Johnny kept the info from Suzie for Paula's sake. They are trying to say that Johnny is selfish and wanted to keep the info so he would do better than Ace (who still would have screwed up even with the info, well, because he is Ace) so he gets the scooter. So by not claiming he held back from Susie, it means the info was out there and he didn't pull Paula to the side. Their argument is that Johnny is being self interested and we know specifically that Cara and Susie are being self interested. Johnny did tell everyone else. Ace was a bit back from him and didn't gather in a huddle but this is not Johnny's fault it is Ace's fault and he is stupid to buy into a conspiracy when there was no one.

Hmmm, I dunno. I didn't see Cara or Susie or anyone assign motives to Johnny's "secret" except Ace. If Cara is trying to turn Ace against Johnny (which sounds like a crazed conspiracy theory to me), why would she do it right in front of him? She went around taking a poll on the spot about who heard and who didn't. Alton said he didn't, Ace said he didn't, Cara obviously didn't and Susie later told Ace that she didn't. So no one heard Johnny and he thinks that's proof that Cara is conspiring to turn his friends against him? I'm reluctant. I don't think it's just my Cara love! I saw her attempts at acting in this episode, and I'm convinced I would be able to tell if she were lying.
I think at that point protecting Susie was more about protecting a strong player and also screwing what the BAs wanted; particularly Tonya.

I don't really remember it that way. Rachel was apparently considered the strongest girl on the team at that point.
That behavior motivates me to point out that she is the one who is acting like she wants to be there, even if it fucks up the team.

I agree with that, definitely.

This post has been edited by Red Okay: Jun 5, 2007 @ 7:17 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
I don't really remember it that way. Rachel was apparently considered the strongest girl on the team at that point.


Yes, Rachel self-promoted herself as the strongest girl that ever competed and they thought Rachel would win in the inferno (ha). They were trying to stack the deck for a win, protect Susie and screw up what the BA's wanted-Suzie out. They thought they would keep both Suzie and Rachel in that Rachel was supposed to win.

I didn't see Cara or Susie or anyone assign motives to Johnny's "secret" except Ace.


Yes, the motive was that Johnny wanted to win the scooter for himself and by giving the information to Ace, Ace might beat him out for the scooter. If he kept the information to himself or just gave it to Paula (though how then did Suzie know?) he was not being a team player and being self-centered/selfish just like...Suzie and Cara.

And, even if true, as selfish things go, it is certainly a lesser offense then what Suzie and Cara are doing (not helping a team mate do well as opposed to intentionally trying to do worse then you would do), so they have no right to complain about anything. I think it is just subterfuge and/or an attempt to put Johnny, a critic of there's, on the defensive.

Alton said he didn't
I don't understand this. I know you say we didn't actually hear Johnny explain what he explained in the interview. But what did he say that needed a huddle up? Johnny, we know had knowledge, starts telling others something important. Others find this information out, including Suzie and Paula, but for unknown reasons, not Ace. Alton was in the huddle. How doesn't he know? If Johnny wasn't telling that info, then how did others find out? and what info was he giving in the huddle if not that info?

Per Arissa, Alton is suspect. Maybe Johnny not telling Ace this secret somehow benefits Alton in that he DQ'd: his DQing is not an even an issue. Or something, I am putting too much thought into this.

This post has been edited by J19: Jun 5, 2007 @ 7:57 pm.
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Jun 5, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
And, even if true, as selfish things go, it is certainly a lesser offense then what Suzie and Cara are doing (not helping a team mate do well as opposed to intentionally trying to do worse then you would do), so they have no right to complain about anything. I think it is just subterfuge and/or an attempt to put Johnny, a critic of there's, on the defensive.

I'm not sure they're in that deep as far as plots go. That would also be a very quickly thought out plan predicated on a lot of uncertainties. She would have had to immediately decide that she was going to pretend it was her first time hearing the information, she would have to know that Alton and Susie also missed the info and at that time she had no idea whether Ace even knew about the foot thing...I just don't buy it.

Anyway, I don't think Johnny intentionally kept the information to himself to help himself win the scooter. I'm just not on board with the whole "it's a plot to destroy me" thing. It doesn't add up.
I don't understand this. I know you say we didn't actually hear Johnny explain what he explained in the interview. But what did he say that needed a huddle up? Johnny, we know had knowledge, starts telling others something important. Others find this information out, including Suzie and Paula, but for unknown reasons, not Ace. Alton was in the huddle. How doesn't he know? If Johnny wasn't telling that info, then how did others find out? and what info was he giving in the huddle if not that info?

I have no idea, but my impression of that was that the huddle occured after the challenge was over and he was explaining why he yelled about the feet to Paula. If it happened during the challenge the GG's wouldn't have all been standing there. One of them would have been doing a heat, right? I don't know...
Or something, I am putting too much thought into this.

Obviously, you're not alone. Heh. I think I'm going to let it go now.

This post has been edited by Red Okay: Jun 5, 2007 @ 8:08 pm.

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