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[fifty8th]

I hated the character and always felt she detracted from better story lines.

I agree with this statement, especially towards the end, second and third season she was tolerable, but every scenes all about her, with none of the other regulars in it, is a waste of time in my eyes and that is what the FF button is for. Season 4-6 she is just miserable.

[ellasmom]

Fixing the link:

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[hardy har]

Slander against S4-5 Crazy Jenny! Write that shit down!

Heh. J/k, Quickbeam. I gave up on genuinely liking the show in S3 and just sort of hung around for the duration because I liked the actors. I totally get why people never liked her, but Batshit Crazy Bitchy Jenny was my saving grace because I loved her like a fat kid loves cake.

I would unequivocally watch a spinoff show about Jenny circa S4/5 and Dawn Denbo being ego-maniacs who are bitchy and insane just for the sake of being ego-manically bitchy and insane.

[DrSparkles]

Quickbean:

I'm someone who watched all 6 seasons on DVD so I've been perennially behind the chat. Now that I'm done, I feel I can finally comment. I wanted to choke Jenny to death is S1 so having her offed in 6 was just too long for me to wait. I hated the character and always felt she detracted from better story lines. The finale was just ok for me....didn't matter who did it, just as long as it was done.

There was never enough Shane.

How funny, I just now watched the last 2 epis. Worst series finale EVER. Ugh. I feel for the characters & the actors. And me.

[wanderlass]

Fifty8th Right from the gitgo, I had Jenny pegged as IFC`s egomanic monsterous me, me, me It was all about her being in view at all times. I am sorry but I did warn you all!!

[fifty8th]

I've decided the episode I started to truly dislike her was Lez Girls. Though her treatment/reaction to Shay in the second episode of that season started to irk me as well.

To me in Season one she was boring and annoying but I saw her place in the story, an outsider learning things. In season two she wasn't that annoying, the circus dream, or whatever they were we weird/out of place but it was probably the season that I can watch her in, and part of season 3 but half way through season 3 she became boring and annoying to me again. Four, five and six while sometimes entertaining in her crazy ways I mostly wish the time she had on camera was given to characters I like, Shane, Alice, Bette, Tina.

This post has been edited by fifty8th: Nov 18, 2009 @ 11:57 pm.

[Scissorhead]

I LOVED Jenny. She was very very entertaining. Season 1 Jenny, yeah didn't really care for her, When she did end up discovering herself as a lesbian, she had a lot of really great scenes. Theres one where she's at a party and an older woman approaches her, Jenny's mind is wandering and I don't remember exactly but she turns the older slightly unattractive woman down, The woman doesn't blame her and makes rude comments towards her self, Jenny looks her in the eyes says she's beautiful gives her a kiss and leaves. It was a moment I realized that Jenny had no arrogance, and accepted all people for their weirdness, their differences, because Jenny herself had been through so much she understood we are all just people and all need love and affection. Nothing you say could surprise Jenny her mind was open during this time, because she was so messed up herself. When she was dating max and Max brought her to a party with a few transguys. Jenny asks "Is this what you want?" and Max said yeah. He found a suit in his closet bought by Jenny the next day.

How about this convo between bette and Jenny a ways back

Bette: "How were you when your life fell apart?"
Jenny: "A mess."
Bette:"That's it. That's me."
Jenny: "You know what? It does get better."
Bette: "You know, I keep...replaying it, over and over again in my head. Just trying to figure out...the exact moment when I could've stopped myself."
Jenny: "No, no, no you can't do that. Because we all make mistakes."
Bette:"But not like me. Not like this."
[Bette looks at Jenny, Jenny smiles.]
Bette: "I don't even know why you're talking to me about this. I mean, it wasn't like I was very nice to you when you went through all of this with Tim."
Jenny: "I don't know. I guess....I know how that feels."

My heart melted for Jenny...then she changed. Near the end of season 3 is when it started. Gradually as seasons went on she became crazier and crazier. Not an endearing Crazy, a bat shit evil crazy. Now up until the very end of Season 5 I thought well this show has gone out the window now, at least Jenny is hilarious. Her crazy antics crack me up, and every once in awhile the Jenny I cared for would appear. Jenny tells shane she is going to sit there and wait for Nikki. Shane says no your not and Jenny says why not and Shane says because thats weak, and Jenny says, but I am weak. Small scenes here and there just re surface the good Jenny deep down inside, which I fully credit to Mia Kirschner who must have been constantly and desperately trying to ground her character and make her a believable/consistant person.

Season 6 the whole time I was watching it I thought, Jenny must have a plan. She has gone evil and now has a devious plan, she seemed calculated and cold throughout season 6. I couldn't believe what they had done to her character, season 5 Jenny was one thing but this Jenny was merciless. She had no soul. I thought the final episode will reveal all the final episode all the webs of her plan will be revealed, all this must lead to something. I was SO dissapointed. It doesn't make any sense. Mia said in an interview, that although she was thankful for her job on the L word and all the freedoms that were given to them that she was dissapointed that Jenny never got her moment of redemption. I completely agree. Although season 6 gave me some awesome moments, it as a whole was a giant dissapointment. Two scenes that I loved with Jenny,

Start it at 5:40 until 6:28 the rest of the scene is trash, but this one moment Jenny has breaks MY heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzCkTKLxBwI...feature=related

and this scene I slow clapped, I really enjoyed this scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K6dCG9yaLo


QaF, the first time I saw the finale, I was upset. Mostly because it was over and I didn't want it to be. I also felt like thats it? No more? The more I watch the finale the more I like it. It closes the show, but leaves some open endedness. I liked that when Ted stopped looking for love he found it. I hated Emmets ending. If I think about it, it does make sense and I understand that they just ended him with Drew, it was too soon for drew to come back, but I imagine that Emmet will get a call on his "21st" birthday and yeah so its not terrible, however I loved Emmett and felt he deserved something extra. Michael and Ben's ending was awesome. Perfect and you know so was Justin and Brians. They're not getting married, but it doesn't mean they can't be together when they want to be, and it doesn't mean they will, totally open ended up for interpretation. I love QaF and I agree far suprior to the L word, which is a shame because the L word had so much potential.

Also agree that there was not enough of Shane and more Jenny than need be. Although I loved Jenny very much, not many of her scenes progressed her character, however the same could be said for all the characters, They only had so many episodes, yes I understand, but they should have understood that too and planned out where the characters are now and what events will bring them to where we want them to be. The reason so many people loved Carmen? Not just that she was super hot, (Which she was) she moved Shanes Character forward. She got Shane talking about herself, opened her up more. After Carmen left shanes character never moved forward. Even in the finale and I felt like Shanes story was the most interesting. My favorite and most revealing Scene for Shane for me, was when she was in confession and she talked about how people only want things from her her whole life and the minister asks if she means sex, and if she feels just because they want it doesn't mean she has to give it. She then says "You know what I like about confession, you never have to see the persons face, you never have to see their face and how hurt they look when they realize you can't be that thing that they wanted you to be." So much potential for the character, such a waste. Nothing in her story was completed. Its frustratingly upseting.

*EDIT* You know re reading this, I think Jenny did kill herself. Her plan was to make everyone hate her so they wouldn't be upset when she died. She too got breast Cancer or some shit like that Oh no lung Cancer remember season 5 she started poppin the nicorettes like nobodies business, she did however love her friends so before she went away she made them a goodbye video,\, wanted to be with Shane before she left because she had always loved her. I dunno maybe this is not true, but it would explain a lot of the sad disquiet and her desperate attempts to keep Shane with her. Maybe Shane new she was sick or something and thats why she said she couldn't leave her. No, now I'm making things up through some wishful thought that they actually put effort into the final season. Cancel my last.

This post has been edited by Scissorhead: Nov 19, 2009 @ 4:52 pm.

[fifty8th]

You know re reading this, I think Jenny did kill herself. Her plan was to make everyone hate her so they wouldn't be upset when she died.

Personally I like to believe she fell and died accidentally but I like you sick/killed herself idea, it is believable and keeps with the no one killed her that I am clinging to, I just can't believe that anyone could be a killer. If I were to believe in your theory I would say that Shane did not know, I think she stayed with her because she felt if she did Jenny would lose it like she did at the end of season two, Shane dis see it first hand so it may be more frighting for her or something.

I was wondering what people thought of all the character that came after season one. I'll always be more fond of the originals (sans Jenny) which ones were worth the time they took away from the originals and which ones you hated.

I don't consider Marina an original because she only lasted one season but I liked her, mostly her friendship with the core group. I started out liking Carmen a lot, in fact I first got interested in the LWord from watching Life so I am a fan f the actress but as I re-watch I am beginning to not like the character so much. She was controlling and bitchy at times. Was not a fan of Hellina with Tina but I she grew on me, more so after she lost her money. Moira/Max grew on me and once he had a story like away from Jenny he was a good addition. Not a fan of Cybil Sheppard's character (her name escapes me) there was too much of her. I did like Jodi a lot but I've always like the actress I know she had to go to get Bete and Tina back together but I liked her. Disliked Papi a lot but liked the addition of Tasha.

Who am I missing?

[LcubedC]

fifty8th--KIT!!!!! and Angus, and James, and PEGGY PEABODY!!!!

I loved S1 and 2 Kit. And I loved Angus with an irrational fervor. I think it comes from when he and Kit made sure they had Bette's back ampong the honest homophobes and he did his butter boy story. Besides, his cheating with Hazel led to three great scenes: Bette putting her hands over Angie's ears when she talks to him about his cheating, "Cha-cha-cha-changes" (even Billie Blaikie singing backup was funny), AND "nanny fuckin' mutha fuckah."

I hear Peggy Peabody.

I quintuple bypass heart James. I would go to a TLW convention if it had Preston Cook and Holland Taylor. Oh, yeah, and JB.

Scissorhead, that scene with Jenny and Bette and the other one when Bette is looking for Shane when she finds out that Tina's pregnant, were great and I missed that dynamic. Just something else tossed overboard during the off season.

And I am still certain that Bette killed Jenny.

[fifty8th]

I consider a Kit one of the Originals (Shane, Alice, Bette, Tina, Dana, Kit, Jenny) though she was more interesting the first few seasons.

I guess I did not list any of the Boys. I loved Angus, I liked Mark most of the time despite the taping, could have cared less about Tim, Henry was a Tool. Ivan was cool sort of wish there was more of him/her.

If it wasn't and accident or suicide out of all the them I think Bette could have killed Jenny, she had the most to lose and the personality that would protect her family at all costs.

This post has been edited by fifty8th: Yesterday @ 9:21 am.

[Bluesha]

Oh Gott Scissorhead, I so much love your Homage to Jenny. I really like her as well, ofc the way Mia Kirshner made her was just great, she got the best out of her. Tbh Jenny actually got me into the L-Word her storyline in Season 1 kept me bussy watching it all the way.
And I kept liking her character, I loved her fashion style and for me she really carries an old european soul inside - she was so unamerican
from what I can say, as a person from germany. I felt connected to her, and I dont mean the cutting and stuff...I mean her way of showing us the dark side in humans and life. Later, I dont really know when, but somehow I sliped into the Tibette storyline and was lost...love JB and LuH.

I love your idea of her killing herself, and making all abset before so they wont be sorry for her, all this would make sense. I go with you there.