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[CKD]

Yeah, again my question for today is: where is Bianca's jealousy? She doesn't give a shit about Maggie's date with Jamie: she only cares about the fact that Maggie didn't tell her first because she's a selfish brat.

This post has been edited by CKD: Dec 31, 2003 @ 9:34 pm.

[TheCustomOfLife]

Lena: Warrior Princess

[Mystic0]

I didn't read any jealousy either. I took it pretty much at face value as Bianca laid it out. She was worried that Maggie can no longer confide in her because Bianca has so much drama goin' on. I guess she didn't want the Magster to think that her life overshadows Maggie's to the point that they can't have that friendly give and take, ya know?

I wonder if Bianca disapproves of Maggie and Jamie dating because of the JR/Borie/Jamie saga. I don't know how much of that Binks was privy to but I remember that she had one scene where Borie was bleating on about her love life to Binky. Or maybe Bianca is just freaked because Jamie is actually only what? Twelve years old? He really should be around Petey's age, right? ;)

[OneWomanArmy04]

Word, Mystico. Their backburnered relationship took the meaning out of the kiss for me. Instead I found myself wondering why the characters at the ski lodge I couldn't give a shit about and the Babe SL folk get all the screen time and we get yet another Lianca drive by. The kiss did not compensate for that at all. *Lobotmized racoon* - hilarious! Too true. Less makeup, more storyline, please.

Word, y'all. I think that's where the nagging sense of disappointment is coming from for me. Because while I went "ooh!!" in excitement when they kissed, it was a blink and miss it moment. It was just like all the other Lianca scenes: cut too fucking short. I mean, it would have been nice if there'd been some, I dunno, dialogue today? About their relationship? If the kisses (and hopefully there are others, but I won't bet on it) are only are going to last 2.2 seconds, I'd much rather have implied intimacy, along the lines of their first "morning after". I'd rather have a meaningful conversation than a 2 second kiss. Though the kiss was nice, it wasn't enough for me. I don't feel like I should have to settle for a kiss and hugs OR conversation. Why can't we get both?

This post has been edited by OneWomanArmy04: Dec 31, 2003 @ 8:02 pm.

[Mysticks Muse]

I think it was a "Kendall saves Opal from drug dealers" spoiler. Babe was jealous of Maggie and Jamie. Bianca was not. She was somewhat disturbed, but given the situation with Jamie, and it being Maggie, whose taste in men is quite suspect (Henry, Carlos, the unsexiest Fusion man) who wouldn't be disturbed, if only for Jamie's sake.

[Katie M]

Count me as one who was kinda surprised by the 2nd kiss, but hardly impressed. I thought hell would freeze over before two girls kissed on AMC again, but when they started counting down to midnight, all I thought was "this is fucking bullshit if they don't get to kiss too!" The other (hetero) couples are making out well after the new year has rung in but Bianca and Lena are batting balloons and laughing. I love to see them laugh together, but god damn, you know two women as in love as they are would have at least made it a little less tight-lipped and short-lived.

But my gripe isn't even about the kiss. It's about how Lianca collectively had about 4 lines today. They show them arrive at the party, they show them in the background, and they show them kiss for 2 seconds to appease viewers. They can't showcase them as a couple in love like Edmund/Maria nor will they show them as a couple recovering from turmoil like...oh, every other couple on the show. The dynamic of their relationship would be so interesting, given what they have each gone through the past few months, if TPTB would just give us a little of it. Bianca's a huge player on the show currently and they use all facets of her life on the canvas, except her love life because she's a lesbian. Grrr, all I feel for this show is utter ambivalence! (Leaning towards hate side of love/hate these days...)

[CKD]

I hated the kiss, too: I want them to talk, not boink.
Thanks for nothing, McHack.

[Qwho]

I think MysticO is on to something. It is interesting that Jacob Young is on his third major soap character, that I realize I don't recall any talk of a girlfriend, dating, etc. in all his soap years. ( It must be a simple innocent ommision, just like what happens to Christian LeBlanc, Kevin Spirtas, and Tony Geary.....)

In any case, I did see the two men dancing very clearly. Congrats to AMC for the inclusion.

[SkiffyPup]

I LOVED the two men dancing together! Yay AMC! I'll even fastclap.
I want Lianca to talk ... like... in the nuber of lines and scenes Babe gets! AND then kiss(same week) and THEN have loving and passionate and moving reunion/recovery sex. Is that so wrong? I wish they'd do that. What is wrong with these people? It would be a ratings bonanza! Televisions across the continent would explode! I just want it. Hmph.

I did like that it was Bianca who pulled Lena in to the kiss. And I did like the kiss itself. Pan-away? Write down the director's name and have him shot.

Want to hear something hilarious? Meli tells me that the subject of Maggie's thanksgiving dickie came up at her lunch with Eden/Liz/Olga/BAM. Everyone hated it except one person who really thought that top was cute.

Who could possibly like that freakish top, you ask? The answer will surprise you.
Olga Sosnovska. Wrap your mind around that bit of information. They all just looked at her like, Whuh Fuh?

[Mystic0]

In any case, I did see the two men dancing very clearly. Congrats to AMC for the inclusion.

Word. I've always felt that TPTB could get away with alot more if they just made it a non-issue. If you treat everything like a big deal, people react like it's a big deal. No big deal is the way to go. There are many snuggly fun things that Lianca could do that probably wouldn't kill some poor repressed granny. A lot of stuff could easily slide under the radar if TPTB wouldn't shine a spotlight on it. Kinda like HoYay, if you are looking for it, you see it quite clearly. If it's not your bag, you probably wouldn't notice it at all. I really think the five yard rule calls more attention to the Big! Gay! aspect of Lianca than if you just had them acting a bit more normal couply-like. General hand holding, hugs, sitting close, and snuggles really wouldn't cause the earth to slip off its axis, I don't think. I realize that Lianca can't be *quite* as affectionate as others but TPTB definitely should put a little more faith in today's viewers as a whole. Sure, some wouldn't be down for it but I doubt it would cause the mass exodus that they so fear.

ETA: I don't think I can wrap my brain around that, Skiffy. Tell us more...

This post has been edited by Mystic0: Dec 31, 2003 @ 11:14 pm.

[SkiffyPup]

Mystic0,
Honeypie, I just heard it face to face today and I was so flummoxed that I got reconfirm and than added a req for permission to post it on TWP. (The Only place where it woud be safe to post and also believed.)

Meli referered to the ... dickie .. as "Gramma's placemat" and WTF, etc. The others weighed in with their unlove and Olga was like, "Oh, the green blah blah? I LIKE it. blah blah cute whatevercakes." [/paraphrasing!] I swear I almost had an attack of the unpretty kind hearing this on a Lianca kiss day. It was like hearing the lianca kiss was actually mouth to mouth in an unsexy ambulance way, and then Baggie fondled each other's naughty parts in a drunken stupor!

Olga? At one time I thought you never put a foot wrong. I was mistaken. Now, touch your nose and count backwards from 100 until I am satisfied you are merely a blind tipsy inattentive nearsighted well meaning co-worker instead of a crackaholic insecure actor. This is your second strike.

Oh BTW, without a preggo story I could totally get into Bianca having pants-unbuckling-skirt-lifting sexaholix with two people ... jus' like sissy Kendall her real girlf... um, sister.

Pan-away-vision-cam2: Elelectric Zoomaloo.

[sugahoney77]

They are dancing in the background (While Tad yaps to Mom of Boobe, I think) and you see JR's big noggin actually smiling happily (!). Then it pans so you can see JR is smiling at Tarzan while doing this seizure dance. He appeared to be totally ignoring Simone. Not that I'm calling JR gay. Nor would I point out that Dax and JY are supposedly roomies. Nope.

Is that what they call it nowadays? Roomies. I totally saw that in the background. At first I thought that JR wanted to cut in and dance with Simone but he just started dancing with both of them. Roomies indeed.

That kiss was sweet but pretty pathetic. They didn't even focus on them but were just panning out in time to show Tad with Boobsie's mamma doing the mackage.

I'm also with those who aren't convinced of Bianca's jealousy towards Maggie. She really did sound like a concerned friend. It wasn't like she was obsessing over her like that fiasco bedroom musical chairs at the lodge. How old is Jamie now anyways? 16? 17? 25?

[goatie]

Yesterday totally summed up my disgust with the McT-verse. SL A: Scheming poor slut looks for ways to save her bacon. SL B: Three couples play the most annyoing, mind-bendingly boring, nonsensical game of musical beds ever devised. Whiny spoiled diva-girls must be boyfriends’ entire focus, or they move on to the next guy immediately. Men’s entire focus is to protect helpless, resourceless womenfolk from danger for their own good. Viewer could barely believe she was even FF-ing this crap. SL C: No, wait, Lianca wasn’t actually a SL, but some nice backdrop/wallpaper. No dialogue, no context, no meaningful interaction for viewers waiting 6 months for pay-off. Oh wait, Bianca did get a foreground scene with – damn - Maggie. This whole setup was a very bad sign of things to come, I think, Lianca relegated to the background drive-by for their extremely significant second kiss. Before yesterday I still thought there was a chance of the girls returning to some level of relevance story-wise but not anymore. It’s going to be all about the Bianca-verse of baby, Kendall, Erica’s reaction, Maggie’s jealousy, etc. Ugh. Bring on The “L” Word, Santa!

[silentbob]

I'm still not convinced that the Lianca kiss yesterday was scripted. My theory is that it was a clever ad-lib that Eden and Olga snuck in, and the producers decided not to re-shoot.

[Mystic0]

That kiss was sweet but pretty pathetic. They didn't even focus on them but were just panning out in time to show Tad with Boobsie's mamma doing the mackage.

The more I think about it, the more I see TPTB's logic about how they chose to handle it. Remember the airport kiss? If you just look at the kiss its the tamest kiss in the history of the world. But the setup of scenes leading up to it gave it some punch. Which is further credit to the actresses because the airport dialogue alone? Not so stellar. I'm guessing that they set up yesterday's kiss, in the fashion that they did, to diffuse Lianca a bit. Duck some of their sexual chemistry, ya know? If Lianca would have had build-up scenes, I'm pretty sure the actresses would have dialed up the intensity level to ten and then a kiss? Um, no. I would bet that would fall under the heading of too much for TPTB. Too scary and blatant, that is. ('Cause if you give Eden and Olga some juicy material, they'll kill you with chemistry.)

So, they handled it in a way that would deliver (Because most would be howling in outrage if Lianca *didn't* kiss) but would do so in the safest way possible. I do give them props for going there but I would have traded it in a second for a better understanding of where Lianca's relationship actually stands. Still, even though the kiss doesn't make up for the stuff we're not getting (like actual conversations), I'm glad we did get the kiss. It shows a willingness on AMC's part to deal with the physical aspects of Lianca to some extent. Baby steps, yo.

The view from the mansion assures me that AMC is still in a transitional stage and will get to more character driven SLs and less 'event' storytelling. And that stuff will stop 'sploding every damn day. Lalalalalala... ;)