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Channel Surfer 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 12:03 am
I am imagining a lovely scenario whence The Great Babyswitch #4,312 goes awry . . . Tess' baby dies, Starr's baby dies . . . but PDV whelps up a litter of faaabulous puppies and Tess, Starr (and the Obama girls) all get PUPPIES !! And I get a puppy too!
Fanatic 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 12:38 am
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was creeped-out by Fake Dead Baby. That thing was just, wtf?
Couch Potato 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 12:56 am
I was actually really affected by the Tess scenes today, but I was a pretty big Tash fan, so I may be biased. When she asked if the baby looked like Nash, it kind of killed me. SO SAD.
Video Archivist 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 1:14 am
Susan Haskell has an insane body.


I actually took a second from my rage-fueled screeching to gawk at it. That is one hell of a bod. Didnt she just have a baby like a year ago!? Geez. She looks almost exactly the same in that Spring Fling outfit as she did 15 years ago.

This actually would have been an excellent episode if it wasn't for the Grossening.
Channel Surfer 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 1:57 am
Best episode of OLTL in months. Complex, dark, ambiguous. RC hit it out of the park. Life is situational; all of us have crossed the line, violated our own moral codes and asked ourselves the next day how the hell we could have let ourselves go there. Did you murder, did you rape, engage in inappropriate sex, or drank so much alcohol that you drove home with one eye closed so you could stop seeing double? Did you do it more than once? The vagaries of human behavior are such that the evil among us is us; the everyday guy, the soccer mom who lives next door. And the truth is, like every victim, every perpetrator is someone’s husband, lover, father, best friend – they are likable and lovable until it comes to our attention what they are truly capable of. It makes us uncomfortable because we really don’t know and can’t predict – is there a chance he/she may reoffend? The world is not black and white – and neither is the human soul. The only thing that is certain is that time clicks along; while some victims heal, and others cannot. And some perpetrators are capable of real and effective change while others lie to themselves and convince us the delusions are absolute truth because we want to believe. RC gave us a sobering glimpse of just a little bit of exactly that…so who will Todd and Marty turn out to be? I suspect a lovely shade of obscure grey somewhere either left or right of in between.
Stalker 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 2:17 am
Best episode of OLTL in months. Complex, dark, ambiguous. RC hit it out of the park. Life is situational; all of us have crossed the line, violated our own moral codes and asked ourselves the next day how the hell we could have let ourselves go there. Did you murder, did you rape, engage in inappropriate sex, or drank so much alcohol that you drove home with one eye closed so you could stop seeing double? Did you do it more than once? The vagaries of human behavior are such that the evil among us is us; the everyday guy, the soccer mom who lives next door. And the truth is, like every victim, every perpetrator is someone’s husband, lover, father, best friend – they are likable and lovable until it comes to our attention what they are truly capable of. It makes us uncomfortable because we really don’t know and can’t predict – is there a chance he/she may reoffend? The world is not black and white – and neither is the human soul. The only thing that is certain is that time clicks along; while some victims heal, and others cannot. And some perpetrators are capable of real and effective change while others lie to themselves and convince us the delusions are absolute truth because we want to believe. RC gave us a sobering glimpse of just a little bit of exactly that…so who will Todd and Marty turn out to be? I suspect a lovely shade of obscure grey somewhere either left or right of in between.

I...see.

Anyway, today was an embarrassment, for this show and the medium. nd not just because rape was treated as a joke but because it was just sloppily written and produced.

That weird zoom on Tess during the musical montage, whatthefuck?

We suffered through MONTHS of this torture and this is the "explosive" ending?

Todd re-rapes Marty, Tess plants a bomb like she's Wile E. Fucking Coyote, Viki just summons her alters without having a mental breakdown, we're going to be subjected to yet another goddamn BIGBADMOTHERFUCKINGDEADBABYLIESWITCH?

What the hell iiiiiiiis this bullshit? I swear to God these are some worst stories I've ever seen and they're all on top of each other and intersecting. My lord, it's an umbrella story except it's absolutely horrible and repugnant and just plain ugly. Ugly characters, ugly writing, just...vicious in it's ugliness.

I feel degraded when I watch it. Like the show is pointing and laughing at me.
Fanatic 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 3:20 am
I cannot believe that they had Todd, with all his sexual hangups, which stem significantly from his original rape of Marty, have sex with Marty. Have him rape her again. All while thinking of that original rape.


Is that what it took to get Todd excited? Thinking about the Spring Fling rape? Sounds like he still has a bit of that "I raped you and I loved every minute of it" Todd still in there.
Couch Potato 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 4:16 am
Best episode of OLTL in months. Complex, dark, ambiguous. RC hit it out of the park. Life is situational; all of us have crossed the line, violated our own moral codes and asked ourselves the next day how the hell we could have let ourselves go there. Did you murder, did you rape, engage in inappropriate sex, or drank so much alcohol that you drove home with one eye closed so you could stop seeing double? Did you do it more than once? The vagaries of human behavior are such that the evil among us is us; the everyday guy, the soccer mom who lives next door. And the truth is, like every victim, every perpetrator is someone’s husband, lover, father, best friend – they are likable and lovable until it comes to our attention what they are truly capable of. It makes us uncomfortable because we really don’t know and can’t predict – is there a chance he/she may reoffend? The world is not black and white – and neither is the human soul. The only thing that is certain is that time clicks along; while some victims heal, and others cannot. And some perpetrators are capable of real and effective change while others lie to themselves and convince us the delusions are absolute truth because we want to believe. RC gave us a sobering glimpse of just a little bit of exactly that…so who will Todd and Marty turn out to be? I suspect a lovely shade of obscure grey somewhere either left or right of in between.


I'm not sure it was the best episode, but I thought it was very good. I still take issue with TSJ's acting; he missed so many opportunities to show what was obviously written for Todd today... that he was/is at war with himself, tortured by his conflicting actions and feelings. TSJ (and some weird technical issues) aside, I was impressed. I've never seen the Todd/Marty story, in its latest incarnation, as something as clear-cut as the consensus appears to be around here. While Todd's actions certainly amount to rape in the moral and legal context (Pennsylvania law deems amnesia as a state that renders one unable to render consent), his motivation is by no means two-dimensional or easily summed up.

Todd has convinced himself that he is in love with Marty and that her serendipitous delivery into his care is an opportunity at a fresh start. Wiping the slate clean with Marty means he can be a different person. He doesn't have to be the guy who beat Cole, or hurt his children, or killed two people, or menaced many others, or raped several, or was abused by his father. Everything he has done to Marty and is doing is, in his mind, redemptive. The show, however, has gone to great lengths to tell the audience that it is in no way such a thing. Everybody and their brother has told Todd what he is doing is wrong, even if they don't know it. Viki, John, Tess, etc. But Todd, as Todd has always been, is of one mind.

The writing is on the wall that he's going to have a huge reckoning and that Marty will take action to destroy him. The clues have been there all along. No way will there be any kind of romance for Todd/Marty as of tomorrow's show. I think we're seeing the first part of a larger story that overhauls Todd's character, from top to bottom. Given the bufoonish behavior Todd's exhibited post-Labine (although I think she deserves credit for that stupid parrot), I couldn't be happier. At long last, some ambiguity. Todd's wrong, he's despicable - but I get why he's doing what he's doing. It's really very sad. And Marty, well... I wouldn't be surprised if, when all of this comes out, she's a stronger, more dynamic character than she was since before the original rape.

This post has been edited by TraveSteve: Nov 7, 2008 @ 5:00 am.
Stalker 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 8:23 am
I still really like Viki summoning the alters as a source of strength and knowledge. I really, really like that. And I like other certain aspects and angles on these various stories. But the core of it - Tess, a baby swap, and Tarty - is so rotten. Maybe the baby stuff will turn out well but right now it's all just very numbing for me to the point that I can not focus on or process what I can enjoy about the show...and when I do, I feel bad about myself.

This, from SON, at least sounds almost better as opposed to what we'd been hearing about merely "John saves the day." John is floored by Marty's reaction when the two come face-to-face. While trying to make her wake up and smell the coffee, John realizes the lengths Todd went to in order to keep Marty in the dark. As John tries to shock Marty back into reality, Todd walks into the room. (my note - O HAI U GUYZ!!) Marty holds John at gunpoint, while John aims his gun at Todd. At first Marty isn't sure which one of the men is being honest, however, she begins to piece together the truth when John reminds her that she is a "good mother." Shortly thereafter, Marty is disgusted and horrified at the depth of lies Todd fed her, especially about the rape. Todd tries to defend himself by claiming to be a changed man, however neither Marty nor John believe him. Afterward, John beats Todd to a pulp after learning he slept with Marty. John convinces Marty not to take matters into her own hands as far as Todd is concerned. Antonio arrests John for assaulting Todd. Cole and Marty each head for the hospital."

At least she wants to fuck him up. But it doesn't make up for the fact that she doesn't.


This post has been edited by jase-bot: Nov 7, 2008 @ 8:28 am.
Fanatic 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 8:24 am
I am imagining a lovely scenario whence The Great Babyswitch #4,312 goes awry . . . Tess' baby dies, Starr's baby dies . . . but PDV whelps up a litter of faaabulous puppies and Tess, Starr (and the Obama girls) all get PUPPIES !! And I get a puppy too!


We ALL get PUPPIES! Yay!

Wouldn't it be funny if Tess or Bess or whoever switched Starr's baby for one of PDV's puppies? "Sorry, sweetie, your baby turned into a dog. ZOMG, isn't he cute?!?!?" Heh.

That Fake Baby was definitely creepy and wrong.

This post has been edited by Bourgeois Nerd: Nov 7, 2008 @ 8:24 am.
Couch Potato 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 8:25 am
I really don't know when I've seen a more disturbing hour of television. From Rape II & the dead (apparently alien) baby to John pretending to hang himself...wtf were they thinking? I'm not known as a particularly sensitive person & seldom use the "Won't someone think of the children?" line but fake hanging? "Cool. I can really fake Mom out with that!" Everything but the puppies was just shameful.

Gaaaaah, I feel old.
Stalker 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 8:32 am
Oh, and a few more things to breathe a sigh of relief about for the week after next. I do not forgive the show, not in the slightest. I still don't really want to watch this week's shows. I'm still unbelievably disgusted and betrayed. But I'm glad for a few things here.

* Monday: Blair and Nora are shocked to learn about Todd and Marty; Cole's joy is short-lived; Todd dreams of what might have been.

* Tuesday: Cole and Blair unleash their anger on Todd; Marty makes certain her one night stand has no repercussions; John ponders his relationship with Blair; Jessica learns what Tess did to Natalie and Jared.

* Wednesday: Marty confronts Todd; Starr learns what her father did to Marty; Dorian puts Dr. Joplin on the hot seat; Bess makes a tough decision.

* Thursday: Jessica "meets" Bess for the first time; Tess makes a discovery about the baby; John is a hero; Marty can't remember her own son.

* Friday: John makes a decision about his career; Cole's efforts upset Marty; Todd takes a long, hard look in the mirror; Viki and Jessica dismiss Tess' claim.


Already this baby switch seems odd; they know about Bess? Tess tries to tell them what happened? That throws me.

But I thank God that I think I am reading the Tuesday spoiler about Marty correctly, in that she tries to make sure she is not pregnant. Also, Todd is still so fucking sick: "Dreaming of what might have been." So you've learned nothing, then?
Fanatic 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 9:06 am
John is a hero; Marty can't remember her own son.


I don't care and I would never believe it.


So I guess if Marty tells everyone about what Todd plan to do (raise Starr's baby) it would make sense for Dorian to put Dr. Joplin in the hotseat. But since there is an actual dead baby which Joplin knows nothing about, I really hope everyone thinks that Starr's baby is really dead. If Jessica ever got all her alters fixed, she would be a better mother to the baby than either Marcie or as of now Starr.
Channel Surfer 

Nov 7, 2008 @ 10:06 am
So I guess Tess is gonna switch her dead baby with Stars??!!!
Why didnt she even try to slap that babies back or something!!
That was dumb


A actual switch wouldn't make any sense, (and we all know everything else on this show makes perfect sense). Tess' baby may have actually died weeks ago. We know she bailed on her last appointment. She has never mentioned any kicks from the baby. I know from experience that when a baby dies in utero the mother does not always go into labor right away. The baby could be weeks younger than Starr's. And with that really bad fake baby it looks like it already has rigor mortis.

This post has been edited by Soapknit: Nov 7, 2008 @ 10:06 am.
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Nov 7, 2008 @ 10:11 am
Dandesun: Maybe I'm just awesome.
I thin that's it. It may be your weakness.
Bourgeois Nerd: Susan Haskell has an insane body.
Seriously! I would kill for her hair and body. I swear, I hate her and KDP. Why do they get to be so amazingly gorgeous?
gitgirl: This actually would have been an excellent episode if it wasn't for the Grossening.
I know! I think we're like 2 of maybe 4 people who feel that way, but I actually think yesterday was very good. Until sexytimes, of course.
jase-bot: right now it's all just very numbing for me to the point that I can not focus on or process what I can enjoy about the show...and when I do, I feel bad about myself.
Exactly. I feel so ashamed for actually enjoying this show. I hate myself. Maybe I should go recommit my most heinous crime on the very person I originally hurt. Apparently, that makes you a better person.

This post has been edited by peachmangosteen: Nov 7, 2008 @ 10:12 am.

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